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Bolster
03-29-2012, 09:25
As part of CERT I received a flyer to attend a COPE (http://cope-preparedness.org/map-your-neighborhood-myn) "Map Your Neighborhood" event. I may attend, because I'm (1) curious and (2) suspicious. It's FEMA-based, and I think it may be .gov's way of knowing who is prepping; I believe the idea is to knock on neighbor's doors and see if they're prepared (?) and to see who's not prepared, but I won't know until I attend.

Brochure says: "Statistics show that 90% of all survivors of disasters are rescued by other survivors. It may be up to you to save the life of another or you may depend on your neighbors to rescue you or your loved ones....[We] identify skills and equipment each neighbor has that may help in such a event, create a neighborhood map pinpointing the locations of all natural gas meters and compile a contact list that includes the names of neighborhood residents who may need extra help in a disaster such as the elderly, people with disabilities, or children who are home alone during certain times of the day."

Some of you will undoubtedly say "Don't Go!" because this will raise my profile as a potential prepper. Yes, well...I'm already there with my CERT certification, and my Neighborhood Watch duties, and my Emergency Radio Net association. So I don't see any additional harm coming from this, that I haven't sustained already.

But I am powerfully curious what FEMA is up to with their grassroots preparedness effort. Obviously I would not admit to preparing anything (other than the ham radio, I'll admit that, it's documented and known). But what I'm most curious about is, does FEMA request the information that's collected? Or does it stay local? Anybody want to bet???

I'd like to hear from all those guys who mockingly said that "You're too small to bother, the government isn't interested in you, the government won't come to take any of your preps" from my "Funk (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1410823)" thread. This is your chance to reassure me that the government has no interest in any citizen's preparations and would not commandeer what they "need" in an event. Or that they're checking to see who is illegally leaving children home alone. And while you're at it, please also reassure me that .gov wouldn't be creating an army of "lovable do-gooder neighbor spies" to get the information that wouldn't be given to, say, LEOs knocking on the door.

UneasyRider
03-29-2012, 09:55
I say go for it. You are always doing the right thing in helping people or preparing to do so, and it never hurts to be on the inside so that you know what is going on. Then you can tell us!

I have a map of my neighborhood that I made 15 years ago and have updated on a regular basis with names (memory) and other notes that I think will be useful in the future. Everything from where there kids are going to college, dangerous dogs, shooters, deviants, and the like.

Bolster
03-29-2012, 10:20
I started early...

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j435/Bolsterman/MapNeighborhoodJoke.jpg

NecoDude
03-29-2012, 10:41
Bolster... Your map is too danm funny... although I think that map works for 90% of all blocks, you very well could live next door to me but I'm not the vagabond or idiot...

Training of any kind is never a bad thing....

kostnerave
03-29-2012, 10:56
I started early...

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j435/Bolsterman/MapNeighborhoodJoke.jpg

I live right down the street from you and keeping a low profile.
:steamed:

SFCSMITH(RET)
03-29-2012, 12:59
Interestingly enough, we know every single family on our "block". It's 3 miles to walk around it. FEMA wasn't needed. It's what people do here in the country.

racerford
03-29-2012, 13:19
I know most of my neighbors, and would even help most of the ones I don't even like if there were a short term disaster. We have a number of retired people that might need help. I am no pup, but I am younger and healthier than them, so I would help.

I think one of the things on the list is who has (potable?) wells. I think this is the most nosey of the questions, but it is public record as well.

I might do the the task and not turn it over to anyone.

If there were a devastating tornado or flood, you would want to know how many people to look for in a house. I think it also asks about who has a generator. This would be important in hot climates so people can at know who would be able to store medicines.

For me, it would depend on the event and the the people.

Bolster
03-29-2012, 13:42
It would be fun to report certain PITA neighbors as being hugely stocked, listing their preps to contain multiple generators, massive food supplies, guns, NVG, grenades, & land mines and then sit back and watch to see what happens.

:rofl:

LOL. No, I would not really do that. (I don't think.) Who was it on here that was saying that we all had to learn to think like outlaws? LOL!

Geez, this list is so completely devoid of people who appreciate humor (except for NecoDude), I don't know why I even put forth the effort. I'm probably the only guy who thinks this would be a funny prank.

B.Reid
03-29-2012, 13:47
I started early...

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j435/Bolsterman/MapNeighborhoodJoke.jpg

That looks like a map of your State.

G29Reload
03-29-2012, 14:25
That looks like a map of your State.

And he didn't label at least 3 of them who no habla ingles.

Or the unrecorded ones in the rented out basements.

Or on the bright side, if the drug dealer is actually a hot chick like Mary Louise-Parker. Don't laugh, its California, it could happen.

dissthis
03-29-2012, 17:10
According to your map you need to move!!
I am a member of CERT here. A while back we got a form asking about our level of prepardness; what we owned like chainsaws, 4X4 etc. needless to say I did NOT fillout and return the form.

TangoFoxtrot
03-30-2012, 05:24
I started early...

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j435/Bolsterman/MapNeighborhoodJoke.jpg
Nice neighborhood you fit right in.:whistling: just kidding!:supergrin:

TangoFoxtrot
03-30-2012, 05:27
I have the streets mapped out and escape routes up the mountain and out to rural areas thats it. In my neighborhood everyone stays to themselves mostly ( which I like, no drama). So if a SHTF senario happens its every man for themselves in my hood.

TexasGlockster
03-30-2012, 06:48
I started early...

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j435/Bolsterman/MapNeighborhoodJoke.jpg

Might be time to move out of that neighborhood...just saying. And since your moving anyway, might think about leaving LA, which by all accounts is a terrible, terrible place. And since your leaving LA, you might think about leaving Commifornia. Go to a state that loves freedom. :cool:

Edit: PS...do you have a zombie living across the street from you?

racerford
03-30-2012, 08:37
My wife is in CERT for the next town over (our town doesn't have one) and they had the same survey. She did not complete it for two reason. One we are not in their town, so it did not apply to her. Second we don't provide that kind of information about ourselves to others.

jason10mm
03-30-2012, 08:48
Come on, the gov't can barely maintain accurate records of highly sensitive things like medical records, you think they have the money and resources to create a chainsaw database?

I think this is really just a good natured attempt to spark the community juices that used to exist naturally. Folks these days in highly mobile suburban neighborhoods don't know their neighbors, lots of men don't handle their lawn chores, and transplanted folks from gentler climates may not be ready for incliment weather. The gov't is actually going a GOOD THING by making these folks realize their helplessness and maybe improve their situation.

Sheesh, you guys see black helicopters and alien probes in everything :)

NecoDude
03-30-2012, 10:09
Jason10mm - that's what the foil hats are for silly...

In a true SHTF the .gov is days away from helping... People laughed at Burt Gummer too but he had it right... "Imminent Domain"

racerford
03-30-2012, 10:43
I have gone through the materials. It is really about neighbors working with neighbors (15-25 homes). They ekeep the documents, they are not turned in. I would guess the biggest risk is it would provide a list of the elderly, disabled and young so that a robber would know where the easiest targets are. A list of tools would do the same.

No place in the process did it talk about turning anything into a central authority. It did not ask about stores of food.

People knowing where to cut of the gas is not a bad thing. They could eventually find it if they are up to no good. But when your gas is leaking seconds count.

It is not as big brother as it may seem at first bblush.

Bolster
03-30-2012, 10:52
I just want to see for myself if they request copies of the local information or not. Also I'm curious to know who holds the information gathered.

Kieller
03-30-2012, 10:56
First off...love the map Bolster! Cracked me up.

When I originally signed up for CERT they had a large questionaire about what we had and what skills we possessed. I obviously did not fill it out to the full extent but I did list skills and other basic stuff such as tools. However, that was just for our local branch, FEMA had nothing to do with it.

With FEMA involved for yours that makes me more weary. I would be even more cautious on what you put down for equipment and with your involvement with CERT and radio it seems that they already know some basics. I wouldn't elaborate but it could be useful to see which neighbors show up and what they have to say.

I could easily see this being a resource for the local responders, however I am seriously doubting that they would come knocking if they needed chainsaws or tools. The list seems to be something for your neighborhood to use and not the gubermint to use against you. This also means that everyone on the block will know who to come running to when TSHTF, if they don't already.

Personally, I would go and just get a sense of how others are responding/interacting.

Your map reminds me of my neighborhood and I am definitely NOT on the west coast. I have about 2 or 3 houses on the entire block that are not registered lib-tards.

racerford
03-30-2012, 11:26
........
When I originally signed up for CERT they had a large questionaire about what we had and what skills we possessed. I obviously did not fill it out to the full extent but I did list skills and other basic stuff such as tools. However, that was just for our local branch, FEMA had nothing to do with it.

With FEMA involved for yours that makes me more weary. I would be even more cautious on what you put down for equipment and with your involvement with CERT and radio it seems that they already know some basics. I wouldn't elaborate but it could be useful to see which neighbors show up and what they have to say.

I could easily see this being a resource for the local responders, however I am seriously doubting that they would come knocking if they needed chainsaws or tools. The list seems to be something for your neighborhood to use and not the gubermint to use against you. This also means that everyone on the block will know who to come running to when TSHTF, if they don't already.

Personally, I would go and just get a sense of how others are responding/interacting.

Your map reminds me of my neighborhood and I am definitely NOT on the west coast. I have about 2 or 3 houses on the entire block that are not registered lib-tards.

It may be FEMA based in the sense they may have developed it. But based on what I have read and my wife's experience, I see nowhere that it goes back to FEMA or even the CERT team. It stays in the neighborhood. It is for taking action BEFORE the fire department, police, and other search and rescue types (CERT) show up. It is so your neighborhood can respond in the first few minutes after a disaster. Think of it as a neighborhood watch type organizing effort, where neighbors look out for each other. You actually be neighborly.

Bolster
03-30-2012, 11:59
That's the main reason I'm attending. I want to see what info they gather, and if there is any effort to push the information upward...or is it strictly a map-and-keep exercise.

And if it's a "keep it local" exercise, then who keeps the info? Who in the neighborhood gets to know who is gone, who is home, who is old and alone, who has a generator, who needs their drugs refrigerated? Some of the information collected seems to me, to be sensitive.

Just because they ask a few "good" questions about gas cut-off locations doesn't mean the entire process is innocuous. Or, it could be innocuous. I won't know until I figure out what questions they ask and where the data goes.

This also means that everyone on the block will know who to come running to when TSHTF, if they don't already.

This worries me too. Do you want to be the person everyone runs to? "You're the guy who mapped the neighborhood, you must be prepared, give me your stuff!"

Even if this is a completely philanthropic exercise, I can see some dire unexpected consequences.

If you "know" that Grandma Moses down the street needs injections every half hour, and you decide to stay put with your family, isn't that a setup to make YOU the bad guy for not doing anything to "save" Grandma? I can just hear the lawyer in court: "Your honor, Bolster KNEW Grandma Moses needed injections every 30 minutes, but he selfishly stayed at home in a cowardly fashion, and is directly responsible for her death."

Watch me be the next George Zimmerman, with a Panther Hit put out on me, Obama saying, "She could have been my Grandma" and the entire justice system backing away saying, "That's cool, that's cool. He's part of Neighborhood Watch so he probably deserves it."

Maybe "being neighborly" only works for the America we left behind, not this new America where the politicians and the lawyers destroy the lives of the little people walking by at their whim.

Maybe Sergeant Schultz had the answer.

Glocktastic
03-30-2012, 19:41
Bolster, I haven't laughed so damn hard in a long time. Your map is pristine!!!

Bolster
03-31-2012, 16:29
OK, Report Time. Attended 2 hrs of lecture followed by 15 minutes of question/answer, which terminated early (for me), read on.

MYN, or Map Your Neighborhood (I call it "Mind Your Neighbor") is something of a grassroots, unfunded, all-volunteer subsidiary of FEMA. You get the feeling it's a red-headed stepchild that FEMA grudgingly acknowledges, but won't pay the alimony.

It assumes that people will want to go help their neighbors after a big disaster, and tries to orient them in that direction if they don't. A sort of "citizen auxilliary" force necessary because (to their credit they plainly and frankly admit) the police, the fire, and the EMT will NOT show up after a disaster. They will be tending their own families or be otherwise overwhelmed. Even the nearby hospital spokesperson told us, "Don't even think about visiting us; take care of yourself."

In our AO the primary concern is the predicted 7.8 earthquake, "the big one." It is 150 years late they say and due any time. They are predicting widespread devastation in downtown Los Angeles (which the emergency responders are already calling the "triangle of death" due to the FPR* buildings). Predicting 270K displaced people, 50K injuries, 2K deaths. No water, food, comms, bank, medical, shelter, or roads. Followed by "civil unrest." Nice!

The MYN spokesperson very carefully and cautiously stated that "other nations do a lot more gov't-backed disaster preparedness. In the USA we wait until there's a disaster and then react."

The core of the program is this 9-step checklist :

1 - Find family.
2 - Dress safely.
3 - Check gas.
4 - Shut off water at main to house.
5 - Place Help or OK sign in window.
6 - Put your fire ext on the sidewalk. (Say what?!?)
7 - Go to gathering site.
8 - Disperse into the four teams:
A) listen to radio / NOAA alerts
B) check for children and elderly
C) check gas & propane- need to know shutoff for all houses.
D) check help/no help cards in window.
9 - Report back to meeting area and medidate. (OK, joking about the meditation, they just weren't specific on what this 'report back' was supposed to accomplish.)

The "Mapping" exercise does ask for people to reveal useful machines such as generators, chainsaws, 4x4s, wenches, come-a-longs, ham radios, and the like. (!) It also asks for who has children or elderly who might be home alone. (!) People are asked to specify skills with which they can help. This information is supposedly photocopied and redistributed to the entire neighborhood (!) The presenter did not mention copies going up the chain to her management, and there was no request to submit copies that I heard (although they are supposed to go to the entire neighborhood). I was going to ask a question about that, to be certain, but I had to exit during the Q&A period, and never got the chance.

During the Q&A, the audience of about 40 people "took over," and the crazies came out. The socialists grand-standed about the need to "work together" (if you listened carefully, they were saying that somebody needed to take care of them after a disaster). The ham radio coalition was smug to offense with their radio toys. One participant asked the question, "What happens to all those places way out away from here, where there are no buildings and no people?" This question generated applause, I sht you not. And to cap it off, an overweight troglodyte volunteered that he was prepared to skin and eat his pet cats in an emergency and recommended everyone else do likewise.

I could not stand it anymore and got up and left in disgust. While I'm suspicious of my government, I'm now terrified of my fellow citizens.** So I didn't get to ask the critical question of "does the info get to the gov't." I really don't care anymore, I'm more concerned my information getting to the other crazies in the room.

MYN has some good procedures, and I applaud the effort, but it relies on doofuses to implement it, so I'm not counting on it to do any good, or willing to participate in it, until they establish a minimum IQ requirement for participating in the program.

*FPR = Future Pile of Rubble.
** Recently I've been realizing with increasing clarity that Obama is the result, not the cause, of America's internal decay. You really get a sense of how stupid the average citizen is when you attend a volunteer meeting like this. We're doomed.

Warp
03-31-2012, 17:07
MYN has some good procedures, and I applaud the effort, but it relies on doofuses to implement it


That's what you get with the general public.

UneasyRider
03-31-2012, 17:10
** Recently I've been realizing that Obama is the result, not the cause, of America's internal decay. You really get a sense of how stupid the average citizen is when you attend a volunteer meeting like this. We're doomed.

Welcome to the club!

B.Reid
03-31-2012, 17:13
Originally Posted by Bolster
** Recently I've been realizing that Obama is the result, not the cause, of America's internal decay. You really get a sense of how stupid the average citizen is when you attend a volunteer meeting like this. We're doomed.

Welcome to the club!
__________________
They are doomed!

FireForged
03-31-2012, 18:14
no way I would go offer any personal info but hey, that just me.

NEOH212
03-31-2012, 23:38
I started early...

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j435/Bolsterman/MapNeighborhoodJoke.jpg

Dam! We must have the same neighbors! :supergrin:

Glocktastic
04-01-2012, 18:46
I guess this meeting shows that your neighborhood map was pretty accurate.

quake
04-01-2012, 19:22
...You really get a sense of how stupid the average citizen is when you attend a volunteer meeting like this. We're doomed.

A movie that I don't generally recommend just due to it's mind-numbing profanity & obscenity levels, but does demonstrate a logical end result of our path imo, is "Idiocracy". Average 20th-century American slacker guy wakes up 500 years after a botched cryogenics experiment to find a world where everybody's just horrifically stupid and self-absorbed. Only reason they have anything is due to previous advances and left-over technology.

Whole lot of profanity and - worse - a whole lot of "yep, seems like that's where we're headed". :dunno:

Kieller
04-02-2012, 10:55
It may be FEMA based in the sense they may have developed it. But based on what I have read and my wife's experience, I see nowhere that it goes back to FEMA or even the CERT team. It stays in the neighborhood. It is for taking action BEFORE the fire department, police, and other search and rescue types (CERT) show up. It is so your neighborhood can respond in the first few minutes after a disaster. Think of it as a neighborhood watch type organizing effort, where neighbors look out for each other. You actually be neighborly.

IMHO this sounds like the best case...until I read Bolster's last post. For him this might be worse than the .gov knowing about his preps.

So Bolster, did you reveal any of your holdings at this meeting or put them on a list somewhere? Sounds to me like your biggest threat is your neighbors and not big brother.

Unfortunately the best answer for your situation is to get the frak out of Commiefornia. Sounds like that isn't an option based on your previous posts so it appears as though you are stuck having to put up with these folks. :dunno:

If the big one hits over on the west coast just come to KC, I'll put you and your family up for the duration! Hard to say no to BBQ!:supergrin:

<<<still trying to figure out the fire extinguisher on the sidewalk bit. I guess to allow your neighbors to use it...

Kieller
04-02-2012, 10:56
A movie that I don't generally recommend just due to it's mind-numbing profanity & obscenity levels, but does demonstrate a logical end result of our path imo, is "Idiocracy". Average 20th-century American slacker guy wakes up 500 years after a botched cryogenics experiment to find a world where everybody's just horrifically stupid and self-absorbed. Only reason they have anything is due to previous advances and left-over technology.

Whole lot of profanity and - worse - a whole lot of "yep, seems like that's where we're headed". :dunno:

Absolutely agree 100%...that movie foreshadows America.

Scare the living day lights out of me.

Booker
04-02-2012, 11:11
I'm a little curious. How do you gather the info for your neighborhood? Do you go door-to-door and just ask people?

I'd probably end up calling the Police if someone unknown was at my door asking if I had kids at home alone, or what tools I had, etc. Seems like a precursor to a break-in!

Bolster
04-02-2012, 11:41
So Bolster, did you reveal any of your holdings at this meeting or put them on a list somewhere? Sounds to me like your biggest threat is your neighbors and not big brother. Unfortunately the best answer for your situation is to get the frak out of Commiefornia. If the big one hits over on the west coast just come to KC, I'll put you and your family up for the duration! Hard to say no to BBQ!:supergrin:...still trying to figure out the fire extinguisher on the sidewalk bit. I guess to allow your neighbors to use it...

Thanks for the kind offer Kieller! No I didn't reveal any preps, and this was an "organizing meeting" to inspire us to do this inventory work in our own neighborhoods, so no questions were asked of personal preps at this time. (Point of fact, none of the people at this meeting were actually my neighbors within a mile radius. And in previous posts I was kidding about the quality of my neighbors; some of them are great people, and some even have the preparedness ethos.) Back to the meeting...some folks (a minority) seemed earnest and intelligent. The ones who spoke up afterwards (the microphone hogs) sounded like blithering idiots and scared the crap out of me.

The extinguisher on the sidewalk was an odd bit of communism. Reasoning went like this: "If anybody's house catches fire, all your houses are at risk. So put your fire extinguisher out on the sidewalk for anyone who needs it, to use it." Marx would be proud: From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need. My question was, "What if I need to use my own extinguisher, and my unprepared doofus neighbor has taken it?" That was a "no sale" recommendation for me.

I'm a little curious. How do you gather the info for your neighborhood? Do you go door-to-door and just ask people? I'd probably end up calling the Police if someone unknown was at my door asking if I had kids at home alone, or what tools I had, etc. Seems like a precursor to a break-in!

In part, yes! Step one is to hold a meeting and invite the neighbors, "host a party," watch the official MYN video, collect as much info there as possible. Step two, knock on doors of those that didn't attend, introducing ourselves as friendly neighbors, and collecting the info! Obviously you could stop at step one and just deal with those interested enough to attend your "party" and leave the others the hell alone. That would be my inclination. I like the idea of a coalition of the willing. The problem is ignoring all the unwilling when the time comes.

My takeaway is that I would attend a local block party on this topic, and sign up for Ham radio comm duty. But I would not want to be the point man; that's just a setup for all the unprepared to show up at my doorstep the day of. In my neighborhood there will be many more "needers" than "providers" and I already know who the providers are. It may sound harsh, but if the "needers" didn't prepare, it's too late when the event hits to rely on mercy.

Bolster
04-02-2012, 11:46
Regards my final statement in the above post, you can call me Biblical in my philosophy regarding disaster socialism:

Then the Kingdom of Heaven will be like ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. Those who were foolish, when they took their lamps, took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. Now while the bridegroom delayed, they all slumbered and slept. But at midnight there was a cry, "Behold! The bridegroom is coming! Come out to meet him!" Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. The foolish said to the wise, "Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out." But the wise answered, saying, "What if there isn't enough for us and you? You go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves." While they went away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins also came, saying, "Lord, Lord, open to us." But he answered, "Most certainly I tell you, I don't know you." Watch therefore, for you don't know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

That'll be the sign on the door of my house: "Most certainly I tell you, I don't know you."