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stsai465
04-03-2012, 11:44
So let's say SCOTUS declares Obamacare unconstitutional and strikes the entire thing down (as opposed to just the unseverable mandate). What happens next?

If Obama follows his pattern, what's to stop him from declaring that he will begin enforcing Obamacare anyway, and damn what the SCOTUS says? As a Democrat Rep recently declared, SCOTUS has no army to enforce its rulings. The Justice Dept is wholly owned/run by Obama and his cronies. No one in any leadership position of Congress has the guts to challenge Obama in any meaningful way (and I don't consider some mealy-mouthed half-hearted protest speech meaningful). Most of the MSM is entirely on the side of The One and can be counted on to spin any such illegal actions in the best possible light.

whoflungdo
04-03-2012, 11:48
So let's say SCOTUS declares Obamacare unconstitutional and strikes the entire thing down (as opposed to just the unseverable mandate). What happens next?

If Obama follows his pattern, what's to stop him from declaring that he will begin enforcing Obamacare anyway, and damn what the SCOTUS says? As a Democrat Rep recently declared, SCOTUS has no army to enforce its rulings. The Justice Dept is wholly owned/run by Obama and his cronies. No one in any leadership position of Congress has the guts to challenge Obama in any meaningful way (and I don't consider some mealy-mouthed half-hearted protest speech meaningful). Most of the MSM is entirely on the side of The One and can be counted on to spin any such illegal actions in the best possible light.

Or he does it via Executive Order...

stsai465
04-03-2012, 11:51
Or he does it via Executive Order...
Hence my statement "follows his pattern...".

JFrame
04-03-2012, 12:07
Just wondering -- given that the majority of Americans strongly disapprove of Obamacare -- if Obama tries to enforce it by Executive Order, wouldn't that be even more incentive by Americans to vote him out of office, so that a new president can reverse those orders? :dunno:


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Naelbis
04-03-2012, 12:18
Even if he decided to try enforcing it anyway, what make you think he can? The rank and file aren't going to buck a USSC decision when they have been conditioned for decades to accept as the ultimate last word.

stsai465
04-03-2012, 12:23
Even if he decided to try enforcing it anyway, what make you think he can? The rank and file aren't going to buck a USSC decision when they have been conditioned for decades to accept as the ultimate last word.
The rank-and-file are also conditioned to obey orders from the POTUS; if he decides to issue an EO, then many will obey it, regardless of SCOTUS ruling. Some obviously will not, but he doesn't need unanimous obedience; just a majority will do.

Two, a lot of the rank-and-file, along with many of the masses get their information about politics and the law solely through the MSM, who would all line up in support of an Obama EO. Most people probably wouldn't even be aware that the effort was unconstitional, and most liberals, if they were honest at least to themselves, couldn't care less if it were.

Naelbis
04-03-2012, 12:32
The rank-and-file are also conditioned to obey orders from the POTUS; if he decides to issue an EO, then many will obey it, regardless of SCOTUS ruling. Some obviously will not, but he doesn't need unanimous obedience; just a majority will do.

Two, a lot of the rank-and-file, along with many of the masses get their information about politics and the law solely through the MSM, who would all line up in support of an Obama EO. Most people probably wouldn't even be aware that the effort was unconstitional, and most liberals, if they were honest at least to themselves, couldn't care less if it were.
An Obama EO wouldn't last ten seconds after the first lawsuit hit. In practicality, LE of every level is way more beholden to the judiciary than the other two branches. And the judiciary will resist any attempt to reduce or marginalize their power religiously.

stsai465
04-03-2012, 12:58
An Obama EO wouldn't last ten seconds after the first lawsuit hit. In practicality, LE of every level is way more beholden to the judiciary than the other two branches. And the judiciary will resist any attempt to reduce or marginalize their power religiously.
It might not last 10 secs as you say, but this wouldn't stop Obama from issuing such an order. Don't get me wrong though; in this case, I really hope you are totally right and such an illegal order gets ignored. I just don't have that much faith in our Federal-level LE when so much of the apparatus of government has been so totally corrupted and compromised by political expediency.

callihan_44
04-03-2012, 13:02
given the feds track record with threatening to withhold funds to the states, telling the states to come up with their own obamacare or else no cash for whatever

Gunnut 45/454
04-03-2012, 22:17
stsai465
Ah yes the SCOTUS does have an army! It's called WE THE PEOPLE! If the Dictator Obama tried to enforce the Unconstitutional law we have the right and the means to forceably remove him from office! And yes there are millions of us Real Americans that would do that exact thing ! With his comments today on how he thinks the SCOTUS is not able to rule that a law is unconstitutional - he is treading on that very real possibility that we will have to remove him!:steamed:

muscogee
04-04-2012, 05:07
What's to stop the Democrats from lowering the age of Medicare and raising the Medicare contribution (tax). That would accomplish the same thing and it's a little late in the game to declare Medicare unconstitutional.

certifiedfunds
04-04-2012, 06:04
He will implement it in bits and pieces via EO, absent the mandate.

Here's the really funny part: The next republican Congress won't override it and the next republican potus won't repeal it.

walt cowan
04-04-2012, 07:04
how do you force the amish and homeless to buy insurance? by gun point or what? as a side note, doesn't this remind you of the story of william tell?

JFrame
04-04-2012, 07:11
how do you force the amish and homeless to buy insurance? by gun point or what? as a side note, doesn't this remind you of the story of william tell?


I'm sure they'll find a way to continue to grant "waivers" -- to the Amish, to union chapters, to businesses in Nancy Pelosi's district, etc.

Obama will take care of his people, and such small factions (like the Amish) who don't amount to anything.


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Goaltender66
04-04-2012, 07:22
If healthcare is a "right," why would you want a waiver....?

JFrame
04-04-2012, 07:34
If healthcare is a "right," why would you want a waiver....?


That would have been an excellent question for the WH press corp at one of their indoctrination sessions with Carney...


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Sam Spade
04-04-2012, 07:55
Some of you need to research the scope and limitations of an EO.

With 26 states already in the "don't wanna play" column, no one's going to embrace the let's do it anyway approach. Add to that a (R) majority in the House, and a whole string of Federal courts that are absolutely going to line up behind SCOTUS. Where's he going to get the appropriations from? Is Congress really going to hold state funding hostage? Who's going to hold anyone accountable for not following his plan?

Gundude
04-04-2012, 08:30
If Obama follows his pattern, what's to stop him from declaring that he will begin enforcing Obamacare anyway, and damn what the SCOTUS says?How can he enforce it anyways? People won't buy insurance, they won't pay the penalty, and any collection action won't stand up in any court. Insurance providers won't cover pre-existing conditions because they aren't selling the policies that are required to cover their costs, and no order to force them to do it will stand up in court.

Bren
04-04-2012, 09:09
Even if he decided to try enforcing it anyway, what make you think he can? The rank and file aren't going to buck a USSC decision when they have been conditioned for decades to accept as the ultimate last word.

Well, it is the ultimate last word and the conditioning has been going on for about 209 to 223 years, depending on how you look at it.

Cavalry Doc
04-04-2012, 09:28
Kinda hard to do if enough people work to vote him out of office, huh?

Brucev
04-04-2012, 09:38
So let's say SCOTUS declares Obamacare unconstitutional and strikes the entire thing down (as opposed to just the unseverable mandate). What happens next? Never happen. Possibly strike parts of it down. But they will leave it sufficiently intact to enable the squatter to advance his marxist agenda.

If Obama follows his pattern, what's to stop him from declaring that he will begin enforcing Obamacare anyway, and damn what the SCOTUS says? Not a dog gone thing! Constitutionally the sc has no authority to declare any law unconstitutional. That was Marshalls idea... which Jefferson rightly saw as outrageous and unsupportable. As a Democrat Rep recently declared, SCOTUS has no army to enforce its rulings. The Justice Dept is wholly owned/run by Obama and his cronies. No one in any leadership position of Congress has the guts to challenge Obama in any meaningful way (and I don't consider some mealy-mouthed half-hearted protest speech meaningful). Most of the MSM is entirely on the side of The One and can be counted on to spin any such illegal actions in the best possible light.

engineer151515
04-04-2012, 09:42
Executive Order applies to the Executive Branch of Government.


With a Supreme Court ruling in their favor, States can go to court over any action remotely resembling Obamacare or even ignore it.

G29Reload
04-04-2012, 10:34
Here's the really funny part: The next republican Congress won't override it and the next republican potus won't repeal it.

Not true. They've already overridden it. First thing they did. The Senate didn't, but the House tried. Why they havent figured out how to defund it is another question.

I think his populist bent will have Romney repealing it. He's on that bandwagon with automatic 70% popularity approval for doing so. Maybe the wrong REASON for repealing it, but he would do it. Its risk free.

Ruble Noon
04-04-2012, 10:52
Not true. They've already overridden it. First thing they did. The Senate didn't, but the House tried. Why they havent figured out how to defund it is another question.

I think his populist bent will have Romney repealing it. He's on that bandwagon with automatic 70% popularity approval for doing so. Maybe the wrong REASON for repealing it, but he would do it. Its risk free.

They know how to defund it but lack the balls to do so.

walt cowan
04-04-2012, 11:04
Kinda hard to do if enough people work to vote him out of office, huh?

mitt will just replace it with his version.:rofl: