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BLACK Z
04-07-2012, 13:14
Hi, I am not into 1911 much but have always wanted one after shooting a colt 1911 Vietnam era.

I know a guy who is very much into 1911 and he match shoots with some of them he is selling a Para Ordnance 1911 that says US ARMY stamped on the side and also said made in Syacuse NY. It is older and has a very low Serial Num.

The gun has a Chrome Lined Colt Barrel I think and has a nice trigger Job, the Whole gun is tight He does work on the frame and slides.

Is has Pacmeyer grips and is parkrized, It has some wear.
He will put what ever sights that I want on it Thinking Nite sight three dot.

I don't know much about them He has lots of diffrent ones but I like this one for some reason over the others ( all types No colts for sale though). Any info or help would be great. Thanks

Ruggles
04-07-2012, 14:24
A lot of folks here do not care for Para Ordnance 1911s. I have had good experiences with them in the past I have owned a LTC and a Warthawg .

I know Paras are represented in competition shooting regularly by a lot of folks. I would buy if it you like it and the price is right.

MD357
04-07-2012, 14:33
Hi, I am not into 1911 much but have always wanted one after shooting a colt 1911 Vietnam era.

I know a guy who is very much into 1911 and he match shoots with some of them he is selling a Para Ordnance 1911 that says US ARMY stamped on the side and also said made in Syacuse NY. It is older and has a very low Serial Num.

The gun has a Chrome Lined Colt Barrel I think and has a nice trigger Job, the Whole gun is tight He does work on the frame and slides.

Is has Pacmeyer grips and is parkrized, It has some wear.
He will put what ever sights that I want on it Thinking Nite sight three dot.

I don't know much about them He has lots of diffrent ones but I like this one for some reason over the others ( all types No colts for sale though). Any info or help would be great. Thanks

Sounds like a Franken gun to me, got any pics?

mdt62
04-07-2012, 14:43
Bought a Para GI expert a few years ago. Worst gun I've ever owned. Never ran right regardless the ammo also fix and finish was crap. Para was no help when I tried to get them to fix it. Sold it after only a few months. I realize we are talking completely different models here, but be careful. I still know some people that swear by them however, not me.

GarySTL
04-07-2012, 14:50
I have a Para LTC. I don't shoot it too much, but it runs fine when I do so. Loaned to to a friend for a match and he like it fine.


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BLACK Z
04-07-2012, 15:15
Its a older model, If that helps, I wouldnt say its a franken gun more of a custom gun. This guy is very well known around here for building nice shooting 1911's this one has wear as it was his carry/match gun for years, He is asking $500.00 for it.

Ruggles
04-07-2012, 15:53
Depending on how it appealed to me I would pay $500 if I liked it. Price value on guns like that are pretty subjective IMO.

tuica
04-07-2012, 15:59
I have a Para 10-45 that works well. Good Luck.

bac1023
04-07-2012, 17:35
Para quality is below average.

BLACK Z
04-07-2012, 18:01
Even the older ones? Like I said this one has Trigger work, Diffrent Barrel the slide and frame have been milled to make everything tight.

bac1023
04-07-2012, 21:32
Even the older ones? Like I said this one has Trigger work, Diffrent Barrel the slide and frame have been milled to make everything tight.

I honestly wouldn't touch that gun with a 10-foot pole.

BLACK Z
04-08-2012, 05:25
Just wondering why? It is a custom gun that shoots very tight groups at 25 Yards.

257 roberts
04-08-2012, 05:58
I had a P16-40 and it was a very nice shooting gun( mags are very expensive!!!!

bac1023
04-08-2012, 06:00
Just wondering why? It is a custom gun that shoots very tight groups at 25 Yards.

Its generally not advisable to purchase 1911s with "custom" work done. If its work from a known custom builder using quality parts, that's different. That's not what you're describing. You're describing an older Para with mismatched parts worked on by a garage smith.

If you want to get into the 1911 worth, there are plenty of decent quality models for very good prices these days.

This is just my opinion. Without seeing and handling the gun in question, I can't give you any more than that.

I will say that Para (both now and before) uses and has used some of the worst quality parts in the business.

BLACK Z
04-08-2012, 06:21
Any suggestions as far as models/brands go?

bac1023
04-08-2012, 06:24
Any suggestions as far as models/brands go?

Sure, just click on the blue link below. :)

MD357
04-08-2012, 08:07
Its a older model, If that helps, I wouldnt say its a franken gun more of a custom gun. This guy is very well known around here for building nice shooting 1911's this one has wear as it was his carry/match gun for years, He is asking $500.00 for it.

I don't care for Paras but $500 isn't too bad, but honestly it's REALLY difficult to say without inspection. There's no telling what the work looks like sight unseen.

QNman
04-08-2012, 08:13
I was going to mention that I bought a GI Expert for a decent trade recently, and that I have been having fun "customizing" it myself. I was also going to mention it eats whatever I feed it.

However - and I say this with absolutely no sarcasm meant - bac1023 is THE 1911 expert around here. If he advises passing, I'd pass.

This is not my first nor my only 1911. If this would be your first, perhaps a better solution "out of the box" would be abetter fit. Check out the link under bac1023's post - its a good read.

bac1023
04-08-2012, 08:21
However - and I say this with absolutely no sarcasm meant - bac1023 is THE 1911 expert around here. If he advises passing, I'd pass.



I'm not sure about being an expert, but I do know I'd pass on a Para that's been customized by an unknown smith. That said, I can't say anything for sure without looking at it.

For what its worth, I also own a Para GI Expert that's been great so far.

QNman
04-08-2012, 08:23
I'm not sure about being an expert, but I do know I'd pass on a Para that's been customized by an unknown smith. That said, I can't say anything for sure without looking at it.

For what its worth, I also own a Para GI Expert that's been great so far.

Bac, you know more about 1911's than most of us ever will. And if you'd pass, so would I.

Alizard
04-08-2012, 12:27
I have a Para 1640 LDA 1911. It was a $1100 fixer upper and now shoots OK but trigger reset is not reliable. I am underwhelmed with Para guns.

bac1023
04-08-2012, 13:56
Bac, you know more about 1911's than most of us ever will. And if you'd pass, so would I.

I'd pass on it for sure. Its just not something I'd buy.

BLACK Z
04-08-2012, 16:34
Bac I haven't read your link yet, What I am looking for is a 1911 Military gun, I am not looking for any fancy gun It doesn't need to touch rounds at 25 yards, just looking for a nice 1911.

As far as this gun smith goes I know people come from far away to bring there 1911's to him, he always has a bunch of them.

Jason D
04-08-2012, 17:16
I agree it's a frankengun.
Older Para's came from Canada.

The only way anyone is going to get a custom gun for 500 bucks is if it belonged to some little old lady who's husband owned it, and they decided to skin her on the deal.

Pass on this...

tim12232
04-08-2012, 21:20
If you want a basic GI style 1911 look at the Rock Island Armory's. Lots of people like them on here and are in your price range for a new gun. Check armslist.com or gun broker for a used original Springfield GI or Mil Spec should be around 500 as well. I myself would pass on the Para, and I live 2 miles from there factory here in Pineville, NC

BLACK Z
04-09-2012, 19:51
Only thing I don't like about the GI mod is the small sights.

tim12232
04-09-2012, 20:03
Bac I haven't read your link yet, What I am looking for is a 1911 Military gun, I am not looking for any fancy gun It doesn't need to touch rounds at 25 yards, just looking for a nice 1911.

As far as this gun smith goes I know people come from far away to bring there 1911's to him, he always has a bunch of them.

Only thing I don't like about the GI mod is the small sights.

The reason I suggested the mil-spec or GI is because of your above post. Those are true to the Mil guns used by the US. Plus the money you save, you can find some nice sights down the road when you really figure out what you want. "3-dot, straight eights, XS big dots whatever"

BLACK Z
04-09-2012, 20:08
No I def want mil spec and thanks for the ideas, The sights are the only thing that I don't like and would change on it.

porschedog
04-09-2012, 20:33
Are you kidding? $500?

Grab it before he wishes up!

BLACK Z
04-11-2012, 06:09
Porschedog your the only one I think to say that, I thought it was a good deal.

PlasticGuy
04-11-2012, 06:26
The 1911 described is clearly a franken-gun. It has bits and pieces from a variety of sources, assembled into a single pistol. It may be well built. It may not be well built. Being no-name parts built by an unknown smith though, it had very little value. I would pass. Even at $500, there are other 1911's I would rather buy.

BLACK Z
04-13-2012, 19:20
Ok how about a Auto Ordance USGI Model, it has a Trigger Job, diffrent sights ( My choice ) and Pacmeyer Grips. Is this a decent a gun.

bac1023
04-13-2012, 20:53
Ok how about a Auto Ordance USGI Model, it has a Trigger Job, diffrent sights ( My choice ) and Pacmeyer Grips. Is this a decent a gun.

:faint:

Depends on which AO you're looking at. The newer models are much better than those say 10 years old or older.

Seriously, just take the $500 and get one of the new Filipino 1911s. They're well built. I like the ATI line the best.

I would not buy a 1911 that's been messed with unless I know the smith and have a detailed description of what was done. There are too many options these days to buy that sort of thing.

BLACK Z
04-15-2012, 19:09
Thank you for all the help, Like i have said I don't know much about these, Can you maybe suggest a few that look pretty close to USGI models, The only thing I would like diffrent is a better sight system. Thanks

QNman
04-15-2012, 19:14
Thank you for all the help, Like i have said I don't know much about these, Can you maybe suggest a few that look pretty close to USGI models, The only thing I would like diffrent is a better sight system. Thanks

(it's marked "1911 buyers guide" and it is slink at the bottom of each and every one of his posts)

BLACK Z
04-15-2012, 19:35
I know I read it and there is a lot of info, I am asking which ones can be ordered with a better sight set up if it is a option or not.

bac1023
04-15-2012, 20:09
Actually, some of those in the GI Replica section have better sights. Try the ATI Military model. Its under $500.

The Remington RI is another nice option, but is a little more money.

BLACK Z
04-16-2012, 09:52
For some reason I can't use your links, there dead, and there are no Pictures, Ill do a google search when I have some time. I pretty much just want to have one to have it and shoot it here and there, it won't be a carry gun or a duty gun, I want it to be good quailaty and shoot well and look nice. I have always wanted one since I shot Colt 1911 that came back from Vietnam. My Dept just got some made by Remington Rand they came from the Govt.