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maxsnafu
04-08-2012, 09:14
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Send mom & dad home. If the kiddies want to go with them, fine. If not, send mom & dad home; call Child Protective Services & put kiddies in foster care until they're eighteen. It's time to play hardball with these invaders.

rhikdavis
04-08-2012, 09:41
OR send them to angelina jolie or madonna.

Hyksos
04-08-2012, 16:09
Until you understand the INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) and the endless statutes found in the INA code, and the CFR provisions that regulate it, you will never truly understand why people come here illegally. Sure some of them want to freeload, but many of them want to be Americans and simply can't be.

I'm just curious. If coming here legally isn't a big deal, then I challenge whatever GT member wants to try. I challenge you to give me a quick run down of the proper procedure for coming here legally. Nothing special, but seriously give it a good 20 or 30 minute try. What forms - how long - and what kind of visa.

Good luck.

Here. Let's say you're a 24 year old unmarried adult from the Philippines with a US citizen father. How long do you think it would take you to get here? I'm not even talking a total stranger, I'm talking someone whose biological father is a US citizen living in the US.

juggy4711
04-08-2012, 18:50
Until you understand the INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) and the endless statutes found in the INA code, and the CFR provisions that regulate it, you will never truly understand why people come here illegally. Sure some of them want to freeload, but many of them want to be Americans and simply can't be.

I'm just curious. If coming here legally isn't a big deal, then I challenge whatever GT member wants to try. I challenge you to give me a quick run down of the proper procedure for coming here legally. Nothing special, but seriously give it a good 20 or 30 minute try. What forms - how long - and what kind of visa.

Good luck.

Here. Let's say you're a 24 year old unmarried adult from the Philippines with a US citizen father. How long do you think it would take you to get here? I'm not even talking a total stranger, I'm talking someone whose biological father is a US citizen living in the US.

If your contention is that it should be easy to immigrate here so that individuals do not feel the need to do it illegally, then your argument is weak. I could care less how many relatives one has that are US citizens. There are certain people we simply do not need here and quite frankly would be better off without.

maxsnafu
04-08-2012, 19:28
Until you understand the INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) and the endless statutes found in the INA code, and the CFR provisions that regulate it, you will never truly understand why people come here illegally. Sure some of them want to freeload, but many of them want to be Americans and simply can't be.

I'm just curious. If coming here legally isn't a big deal, then I challenge whatever GT member wants to try. I challenge you to give me a quick run down of the proper procedure for coming here legally. Nothing special, but seriously give it a good 20 or 30 minute try. What forms - how long - and what kind of visa.

Good luck.

Here. Let's say you're a 24 year old unmarried adult from the Philippines with a US citizen father. How long do you think it would take you to get here? I'm not even talking a total stranger, I'm talking someone whose biological father is a US citizen living in the US.

Sure, some of them simply want to be Americans but what about what Americans want? Do their desires count for anything? I think in an era of huge unemployment there should be a moratorium on all immigration, legal and illegal. The last time I was in five o'clock traffic I didn't think "Gee, we need more cars on the road." And I'm not the only American who feels that way.

Dandapani
04-08-2012, 19:43
We shipped Elian Gonzalez home and he was here legally (dry foot).

Hyksos
04-08-2012, 20:23
I was merely trying to show that it is impossible for people to come here legally, even when their own biological father is a US citizen.

I'm 100% white non hispanic, but living amongst their culture has showed me many things. Studying the law of immigration moreso has showed me that there are many problems with the INA. If you don't want anybody to come here to this country anymore, then maybe you should stop preaching "America is #1."

Maybe America should stop leading the world in all cultural, technological, and political affairs? Look, immigrants have always been an integral part of this nation. What do you think is gonna happen when you preach the worldwide over how great our freedom is? How great our laws are, and how this is the land of opportunity? Do you expect people to just sit around and cry about how bad their country is? I believe the entire Republican party idea about stopping immigration is horribly wrong. I didn't believe this until I studied the INA in detail. The thing is a complex hellhole. Fix the INA. Right now you wonder why people come here illegally and why they break our laws. Well maybe because it's impossible to get here otherwise.
Everyone is free to disagree, but ultimately I think the INA is responsible for many people coming here illegally. Blaming the illegal immigrant for stealing your job is just like blaming the 'assault weapon' for shooting up a school.

ChuteTheMall
04-08-2012, 20:26
We shipped Elian Gonzalez home and he was here legally (dry foot).

With a family, also here legally. Clinton sucks.

certifiedfunds
04-08-2012, 20:26
All you folks who demand your Social Security checks and Medicare had better learn to love illegal immigrants.:whistling:

G17Jake
04-08-2012, 20:44
I was merely trying to show that it is impossible for people to come here legally, even when their own biological father is a US citizen.

I'm 100% white non hispanic, but living amongst their culture has showed me many things. Studying the law of immigration moreso has showed me that there are many problems with the INA. If you don't want anybody to come here to this country anymore, then maybe you should stop preaching "America is #1."

Maybe America should stop leading the world in all cultural, technological, and political affairs? Look, immigrants have always been an integral part of this nation. What do you think is gonna happen when you preach the worldwide over how great our freedom is? How great our laws are, and how this is the land of opportunity? Do you expect people to just sit around and cry about how bad their country is? I believe the entire Republican party idea about stopping immigration is horribly wrong. I didn't believe this until I studied the INA in detail. The thing is a complex hellhole. Fix the INA. Right now you wonder why people come here illegally and why they break our laws. Well maybe because it's impossible to get here otherwise.
Everyone is free to disagree, but ultimately I think the INA is responsible for many people coming here illegally. Blaming the illegal immigrant for stealing your job is just like blaming the 'assault weapon' for shooting up a school.

Why can't Mexico be a better place so Mexicans can stay there and prosper?

greentriple
04-08-2012, 20:44
We are a nation of immigrants, legal and illegal. Each moment in history has brought foreign natives to our shores, Irish, Russian, Vietnamese, Cuban to name a few and with them there has always been the same wining from those who believe America is for those already here. Ironically, these "Americans" are not trumpeting the Native American's right to first here supremacy or offering to leave and give them back what they had before the first European illegal immigrants arrived. True new groups bring problems and often crime develops and organizes in their impoverished communities. But as the groups become more integrated we even glorify their crime. The hypocrisy of the "already here" never stops amazing me. The vile hatred of "others" extends even to innocent children.

What a boring and tasteless place America would be without all the wondrous diversity brought to our shoes by immigrants legal and illegal. Food, science, art, medicine, government, every aspect of our lives are better from what immigrants have contributed. And as for illegals, without them where would the fresh fruits and vegetables you eat come from, where would the clean dishes you eat from in restaurants come from, not to mention the countless other niceties you take or granted without knowing an illegal makes them possible. And if you claim "Americans" will do it, try again you don't, unless originally part of that labor group.

God Bless America, land that I love and the hopes she stands for around the world. "Give me your tired, you poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free...."


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G17Jake
04-08-2012, 20:56
We are a nation of immigrants, legal and illegal. Each moment in history has brought foreign natives to our shores, Irish, Russian, Vietnamese, Cuban to name a few and with them there has always been the same wining from those who believe America is for those already here. Ironically, these "Americans" are not trumpeting the Native American's right to first here supremacy or offering to leave and give them back what they had before the first European illegal immigrants arrived. True new groups bring problems and often crime develops and organizes in their impoverished communities. But as the groups become more integrated we even glorify their crime. The hypocrisy of the "already here" never stops amazing me. The vile hatred of "others" extends even to innocent children.

What a boring and tasteless place America would be without all the wondrous diversity brought to our shoes by immigrants legal and illegal. Food, science, art, medicine, government, every aspect of our lives are better from what immigrants have contributed. And as for illegals, without them where would the fresh fruits and vegetables you eat come from, where would the clean dishes you eat from in restaurants come from, not to mention the countless other niceties you take or granted without knowing an illegal makes them possible. And if you claim "Americans" will do it, try again you don't, unless originally part of that labor group.

God Bless America, land that I love and the hopes she stands for around the world. "Give me your tired, you poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free...."


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I bolded a critical part.

We don't need and I certainly don't want anyone coming here and voting for the neo-Democrat candidates who are definately NOT about freedom. If they want socialism I suggest they go to Europe or Canada.

Also, we can't afford to have people coming here looking for welfare benefits.

greentriple
04-08-2012, 21:08
Jake, because Mexico is so far from God and so close to the United States. BTW where are your ancestors from? And as for your other comment, stay on point.


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LAWDOGKMS
04-08-2012, 21:50
What a boring and tasteless place America would be without all the wondrous diversity brought to our shoes by immigrants legal and illegal. Food, science, art, medicine, government, every aspect of our lives are better from what immigrants have contributed. And as for illegals, without them where would the fresh fruits and vegetables you eat come from, where would the clean dishes you eat from in restaurants come from, not to mention the countless other niceties you take or granted without knowing an illegal makes them possible. And if you claim "Americans" will do it, try again you don't, unless originally part of that labor group.

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What a wonderful, safe place America would be WITHOUT all the crap that illegal immigrants of late bring with them. In every city in this country, there is a population of illegal immigrants conspiring and committing crime against good people, from the Cubans in South Florida to the Jamaicans in Maryland, to the Mexicans in California, to the middle easterners who slipped in through Mexico, practice the Muslim religion and want all of us to submit to Allah or die.

Javelin
04-08-2012, 22:14
Until you understand the INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) and the endless statutes found in the INA code, and the CFR provisions that regulate it, you will never truly understand why people come here illegally. Sure some of them want to freeload, but many of them want to be Americans and simply can't be.

I'm just curious. If coming here legally isn't a big deal, then I challenge whatever GT member wants to try. I challenge you to give me a quick run down of the proper procedure for coming here legally. Nothing special, but seriously give it a good 20 or 30 minute try. What forms - how long - and what kind of visa.

Good luck.

Here. Let's say you're a 24 year old unmarried adult from the Philippines with a US citizen father. How long do you think it would take you to get here? I'm not even talking a total stranger, I'm talking someone whose biological father is a US citizen living in the US.

But the problem is the polls show that most do not want to consider themselves American first.

:dunno:

greentriple
04-08-2012, 22:24
What a wonderful, safe place America would be WITHOUT all the crap that illegal immigrants of late bring with them. In every city in this country, there is a population of illegal immigrants conspiring and committing crime against good people, from the Cubans in South Florida to the Jamaicans in Maryland, to the Mexicans in California, to the middle easterners who slipped in through Mexico, practice the Muslim religion and want all of us to submit to Allah or die.

You sir are a bigoted racist, but I appreciate you honesty. I wonder what perfect and non-criminal human pieces you are from.


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greentriple
04-08-2012, 22:27
What a wonderful, safe place America would be WITHOUT all the crap that illegal immigrants of late bring with them. In every city in this country, there is a population of illegal immigrants conspiring and committing crime against good people, from the Cubans in South Florida to the Jamaicans in Maryland, to the Mexicans in California, to the middle easterners who slipped in through Mexico, practice the Muslim religion and want all of us to submit to Allah or die.

And just for good measure: Before the Muslim and Latino blithe as you would describe it, America was a safe place, when?


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certifiedfunds
04-09-2012, 05:28
You sir are a bigoted racist, but I appreciate you honesty. I wonder what perfect and non-criminal human pieces you are from.


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There is nothing bigoted or racist about his comments.

maxsnafu
04-09-2012, 08:06
I'm 100% white non hispanic, but living amongst their culture has showed me many things. Studying the law of immigration moreso has showed me that there are many problems with the INA. If you don't want anybody to come here to this country anymore, then maybe you should stop preaching "America is #1."


..and maybe you should stop putting words into my mouth. I didn't say that and you know it. One question I would like for you to answer, if you have the guts: If a majority of the American people want a temporary halt to immigration would you acquiesce to their desire or would you continue to force immigration down their throats?

greentriple
04-09-2012, 08:28
There is nothing bigoted or racist about his comments.

Um, yes it is. It focuses on a groups racial and cultural make up and attributes criminality to them based on said make up. It also does so in gross generalizations based not on statistical or empirical analysis but on personal biased emotion. Further, it implies criminal conduct uniquely to groups based on race or culture as if it is unique to these groups. Finally, it disregards positive contributions.

Race and culture are minor if not insignificant factors in criminality. Further with the exception that illegal immigration is, well illegal and thus a crime, illegal immigrants do not possess a heightened level of criminality base don race or culture, i.e. Mexican, Cuban, Muslim.

However, based on your groundless defense and clear support of the prior post I do not expect you to understand this beyond an emotional disagreement.


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LAWDOGKMS
04-09-2012, 08:39
You sir are a bigoted racist, but I appreciate you honesty. I wonder what perfect and non-criminal human pieces you are from.


If you meant to write "species", I'm of the same species you are, and Scottish in ancestry..

No....I'm not bigoted or racist, I want every man and woman to have a piece of the American Pie....but I don't want them to turn it into Pakistani or Chinese pie.

I just tell it like it is..not "politically correct"...THE TRUTH MAY HURT, but it's still the truth..

When you find yourself in Downtown Miami, take a wrong turn after leaving that nice restaurant, and notice you're in a bad neighborhood, what tells you it is a bad neighborhood?

Is it roving bands of Anglo-European thugs out in the street, daring you to make them move as they stand in the middle of the street flashing gang signs, daring you to drive past, giving you glares that say you're not welcome here? Do you fear getting held up at the ATM machine by a white guy in a hoodie?

I'll answer for you...it will be the predominant minority in that section of town. That's just the way it is! And it's sad..

Re-create these scenarios anywhere in the US that you like, and the dangerous criminal element in these cities will directly correlate to the minority population present there..legal and illegal..

It's just the way it is, and you can call it socio-economic boundaries, or whatever you like, but it's still there..

One of the biggest problems with immigrants of late, is that they don't assimilate and adopt the US way of life, make our language their primary language, adopt our values and try to blend into this country they so longed to be a part of..

My ancestors who came through Ellis Island assimilated and adopted this country's ways, values and way of life, pledged their allegiance to the American Flag and thrived.

But not...immigrants of late.. No...they want to come here, learn just enough about the country to pass the citizenship test, take the vows at the naturalization ceremony, and then try to make it like their own country, march in the streets in protest in protest of "this or that perceived injustice" and "why can't the US be more like Mexico etc".. (i.e. La Raza, NAACP etc..) and harbor hate and resentment against the very country that took them in when they left their crap hole.

And another thing that bugs me is the fact that every minority group here is trying to be recognized, for being "special"...not for being an American which they should be proud to be, but a hispanic-american, african-american...bla bla bla...

Irish descendants don't run around demanding an Irish-Heritage-Month, or Germans a German Heritage Month.

Let's bring up the racist/separatist groups that seem to spring up for every black and brown ethnicity, that excludes non-minorities based on race or skin color, whether it's the NAACP, LULAC, Congressional Black Caucus or any other organization that seeks to exclude non-minorities based upon ethnicity or skin color.

It's not that I want to join any of these exclusive clubs, I just feel that like it would be wrong to have a White Police Officers Association, it is so very wrong for minorities to segregate themselves via these organizations.

And yes...America would be a better place if we didn't have majority-minority neigborhoods where the white anglos who built (arguably with a lot of immigrant labor I will agree) this unbelievable country didn't feel as if there lives were in danger, just driving through, from the gang and/or criminal activity.

I just want immigrants, legal and illegal to assimilate, adopt american values, language etc and quit making ethnicity, race or skin color such a hot topic via special-organizations, exclusive clubs etc, take advantage of the public school educations provided, college scholarships and all the other (arguably racist) affirmative action incentive programs (might as well since they exist right?) pull themselves up by their bootstraps and become productive members of society..

I may not agree with everything he says, but Morgan Freeman was onto something in this interview: http://www.ihatethemedia.com/morgan-freeman-black-history

certifiedfunds
04-09-2012, 08:45
Um, yes it is. It focuses on a groups racial and cultural make up and attributes criminality to them based on said make up. It also does so in gross generalizations based not on statistical or empirical analysis but on personal biased emotion. Further, it implies criminal conduct uniquely to groups based on race or culture as if it is unique to these groups. Finally, it disregards positive contributions.

Race and culture are minor if not insignificant factors in criminality. Further with the exception that illegal immigration is, well illegal and thus a crime, illegal immigrants do not possess a heightened level of criminality base don race or culture, i.e. Mexican, Cuban, Muslim.

However, based on your groundless defense and clear support of the prior post I do not expect you to understand this beyond an emotional disagreement.


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What liberal hogwash. The people of the United States are tired of being shouted down with politically correct allegations of racism or bigotry by the leftists, (who historically are actually the biggest racists and bigots).

Here is his quote. Perhaps you can show me which of the following sentences that comprise it aren't simple statements of fact?


Originally Posted by LAWDOGKMS http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18819688#post18819688)
What a wonderful, safe place America would be WITHOUT all the crap that illegal immigrants of late bring with them.

In every city in this country, there is a population of illegal immigrants conspiring and committing crime against good people, from the Cubans in South Florida to the Jamaicans in Maryland, to the Mexicans in California, to the middle easterners who slipped in through Mexico, practice the Muslim religion and want all of us to submit to Allah or die.
His post is akin to me saying, "There are many black criminals in New Orleans. The city would be a better place without them."

Nothing bigoted or racist there. It's a statement of fact.

If I said,"All blacks in NOLA are criminals" that would be bigoted or racist.

Or

"Blacks in New Orleans are responsible for the majority of violent crime" -- Not racist, it is simple fact supported by statistics.

"All blacks in New Orleans are violent criminals" -- Racist.

Hyksos
04-09-2012, 10:35
..and maybe you should stop putting words into my mouth. I didn't say that and you know it. One question I would like for you to answer, if you have the guts: If a majority of the American people want a temporary halt to immigration would you acquiesce to their desire or would you continue to force immigration down their throats?

I'll be happy to answer you. I would definitely not go against the law of the land. I would also not force immigration down anyone's throats. I don't even do that now. I'm merely commenting on the process itself. If the Congress passed a law and the President signed it that forever barred future immigration I would support it. I would say I think it's retarded, and harmful to our nation, but I would never do anything to intentionally subvert the law.

There's a difference between expressing one's opinion about the causes of a certain problem, and forcing it down their throat.

By the way, the answer to my original question is 15 years. Your son would have had to apply 15 years ago to come into the country.

http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5674.html

See the F1 Preference under family sponsored visas.

maxsnafu
04-09-2012, 10:49
I'll be happy to answer you. I would definitely not go against the law of the land. I would also not force immigration down anyone's throats. I don't even do that now. I'm merely commenting on the process itself. If the Congress passed a law and the President signed it that forever barred future immigration I would support it. I would say I think it's retarded, and harmful to our nation, but I would never do anything to intentionally subvert the law.

There's a difference between expressing one's opinion about the causes of a certain problem, and forcing it down their throat.

By the way, the answer to my original question is 15 years. Your son would have had to apply 15 years ago to come into the country.

http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5674.html

See the F1 Preference under family sponsored visas.

How do you justify your enthusiasm for historically high levels of immigration in a time of high unemployment--especially when many technology companies are laying off American workers so that they can hire foreigners who will work cheaper?

Hyksos
04-09-2012, 11:27
How do you justify your enthusiasm for historically high levels of immigration in a time of high unemployment--especially when many technology companies are laying off American workers so that they can hire foreigners who will work cheaper?

Because the Average 'American' has become lazy. The average American youth has a horrible entitlement mentality, and wants to be paid extremely high wages for crap work. My roommate in college (within last 5 years) got fired from his bank job, and he rode on unemployment as long as he possibly could. He would certify to the people that he was actively seeking work and this and that. It was a load of crap. He didn't want to get a new job because then he lost unemployment benefits and probably the food stamps he applied for.

Flash forward to today. I know a Cuban man who just got here within the last two years. He works as a busboy at the local Ruby Tuesdays. Every time you see this guy he has a huge grin from ear to ear as he's working. He constantly says 'God Bless America' and 'This is the greatest country ever.'

He's busing tables at a restaurant and completely ecstatic about it. Like I said before, until you truly see it and immerse yourself in it, you won't really understand it.

maxsnafu
04-09-2012, 11:36
Because the Average 'American' has become lazy. The average American youth has a horrible entitlement mentality, and wants to be paid extremely high wages for crap work. My roommate in college (within last 5 years) got fired from his bank job, and he rode on unemployment as long as he possibly could. He would certify to the people that he was actively seeking work and this and that. It was a load of crap. He didn't want to get a new job because then he lost unemployment benefits and probably the food stamps he applied for.

Flash forward to today. I know a Cuban man who just got here within the last two years. He works as a busboy at the local Ruby Tuesdays. Every time you see this guy he has a huge grin from ear to ear as he's working. He constantly says 'God Bless America' and 'This is the greatest country ever.'

He's busing tables at a restaurant and completely ecstatic about it. Like I said before, until you truly see it and immerse yourself in it, you won't really understand it.

So bottom line is your sympathies are with the aliens. Mine are with the Americans for whom you have such undisguised contempt.

Hyksos
04-09-2012, 11:45
So bottom line is your sympathies are with the aliens. Mine are with the Americans for whom you have such undisguised contempt.

I'm 26, I know my own generation. Go spend even a week with those leftist wackjob Liberal Arts college graduates. Then come back and tell me what you think. I had a liberal arts degree too, but I decided to become a professional and pursue a JD. What kind of conservative would I be if I just wanted to be an employee my whole life? I'm a job creator, not taker. Even at law school there were bleeding heart liberals who blame the system and 'corporations.' They're the same idiots who sue the law school when they can't find work because they don't want to work 60hrs/week for only 50k starting (the job market is crap right now).

They think their superior intellect means they deserve some cushy AmLaw 100 $120k+ starting job as an associate. HA. Half of them don't even do internships at all in law school then whine about not getting employment. I busted my ass in internships for FREE. Legal internships are like slave labor, at least Doctors get paid for their internships.

I don't just 'side' with immigrants over Americans. Do you really think an American would even take that bus boy job I described? No, they wouldn't. It's "below" them.

Hasta tu puedes hablar a los immigrantes, tu no vas a comprender la situacion.

Gundude
04-09-2012, 12:19
So bottom line is your sympathies are with the aliens. Mine are with the Americans for whom you have such undisguised contempt.To be clear, you're saying your symapthies lie with the American welfare cheat over the hard working Cuban. Correct?

Flying-Dutchman
04-09-2012, 12:31
We are a nation of immigrants, legal and illegal. Each moment in history has brought foreign natives to our shores, Irish, Russian, Vietnamese, Cuban to name a few and with them there has always been the same wining from those who believe America is for those already here. Ironically, these "Americans" are not trumpeting the Native American's right to first here supremacy or offering to leave and give them back what they had before the first European illegal immigrants arrived. True new groups bring problems and often crime develops and organizes in their impoverished communities. But as the groups become more integrated we even glorify their crime. The hypocrisy of the "already here" never stops amazing me. The vile hatred of "others" extends even to innocent children.

What a boring and tasteless place America would be without all the wondrous diversity brought to our shoes by immigrants legal and illegal. Food, science, art, medicine, government, every aspect of our lives are better from what immigrants have contributed. And as for illegals, without them where would the fresh fruits and vegetables you eat come from, where would the clean dishes you eat from in restaurants come from, not to mention the countless other niceties you take or granted without knowing an illegal makes them possible. And if you claim "Americans" will do it, try again you don't, unless originally part of that labor group.

God Bless America, land that I love and the hopes she stands for around the world. "Give me your tired, you poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free...."


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We let more immigrate to our land now than at any time in history.

This mass migration is unprecedented in peacetime human history. How it ends no one knows. Will they assimilate or form a colony of the old country?

Since we taxpayers are required to pay for their healthcare and welfare should we not decide who comes here and what money and skills they bring?

maxsnafu
04-09-2012, 12:33
To be clear, you're saying your symapthies lie with the American welfare cheat over the hard working Cuban. Correct?

Did you honestly read that into what I said? Honestly? Or are you simply trying to play "gotcha" and be argumentative?

Hyksos
04-09-2012, 12:39
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To be fair, yes there are more immigrants now than ever. But, if you were to look at it as Immigrants coming to America vs World Pop, then the 1900-1910 period would still be the largest % of world pop coming into America ever.

We may have more immigrants now, but my guess is that the number of immigrants we allow in, as a percentage of world population, is much lower than it was in 1900-1910.

Gundude
04-09-2012, 13:12
Did you honestly read that into what I said? Honestly? Or are you simply trying to play "gotcha" and be argumentative?
Read post #26 in its entirety. The quoted part, then your response to it. If anybody was reading too much into what somebody was saying, it was you. Based on your response in that post, my assumption was pretty fair.

maxsnafu
04-09-2012, 13:15
To be fair, yes there are more immigrants now than ever. But, if you were to look at it as Immigrants coming to America vs World Pop, then the 1900-1910 period would still be the largest % of world pop coming into America ever.

We may have more immigrants now, but my guess is that the number of immigrants we allow in, as a percentage of world population, is much lower than it was in 1900-1910.

Immigrants to the U.S. as a percentage of world population is meaningless. What is relevant is immigrants as a percentage of U.S. population.

Hyksos
04-09-2012, 13:20
Immigrants to the U.S. as a percentage of world population is meaningless. What is relevant is immigrants as a percentage of U.S. population.

I still stand by my assertion then that the 1900-1910 era had a much higher % of immigrants to national population than today.

The population of this nation exploded after the 1910 period, ever hear of Baby Boomers?

LAWDOGKMS
04-09-2012, 13:28
I still stand by my assertion then that the 1900-1910 era had a much higher % of immigrants to national population than today.

The population of this nation exploded after the 1910 period, ever hear of Baby Boomers?

Agreed...however, those immigrants assimilated, took any jobs available, worked their way up the ladder and became productive members of society...

wjv
04-09-2012, 13:47
I was merely trying to show that it is impossible for people to come here legally, even when their own biological father is a US citizen.

Gee. . . I have two daughters who were born in China. . They are here legally. . And both are now US citizens.

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Hyksos
04-09-2012, 13:49
Gee. . . I have two daughters who were born in China. . They are here legally. . And both are now US citizens.


Yeah because they came in as Immediate Relatives. Immediate Relatives are exempt from the quota limits and wait times. The term Immediate Relatives doesn't apply to everyone though.

In my hypo I didn't say the child of a US citizen, I said the son or daughter. There is a difference.

Gundude
04-09-2012, 14:04
Agreed...however, those immigrants assimilated, took any jobs available, worked their way up the ladder and became productive members of society...So did Americans at that time.

Since the "American Dream" in 2012 is very different than that in 1900-1910, the immigrants who come pursuing it are very different than those who came back then. They are only a symptom of the problem, and deporting every last illegal immigrant won't fix the real problem.

Flying-Dutchman
04-09-2012, 14:13
To be fair, yes there are more immigrants now than ever. But, if you were to look at it as Immigrants coming to America vs World Pop, then the 1900-1910 period would still be the largest % of world pop coming into America ever.

We may have more immigrants now, but my guess is that the number of immigrants we allow in, as a percentage of world population, is much lower than it was in 1900-1910.
1900-1910 anyone who could get here could stay here but then we did not have a welfare system so no one cared.

Now we have a country with 48 million on food stamps.

Notice during the Great Depression mass immigration came to a halt. Letís give immigration a rest until the economy picks up.

Let us welcome everyone with a hard science degree or $1 million or more to invest. As for the poor, we have enough.

LAWDOGKMS
04-09-2012, 14:14
So did Americans at that time.

Since the "American Dream" in 2012 is very different than that in 1900-1910, the immigrants who come pursuing it are very different than those who came back then. They are only a symptom of the problem, and deporting every last illegal immigrant won't fix the real problem.

Most immigrants today, by and large come to the US with no skills or work ethics and mainly become welfare anchors..

Gundude
04-09-2012, 14:21
Most immigrants today, by and large come to the US with no skills or work ethics and mainly become welfare anchors..Is that a personal opinion, or is it backed by some data you can point to?

Hyksos
04-09-2012, 14:23
Most immigrants today, by and large come to the US with no skills or work ethics and mainly become welfare anchors..

I feel like this is an inaccurate overgeneralization. The first thing I'd say is that my personal experiences in Miami have helped shape my opinion.

Second, I would ask - tu hablas espanol? If you can't even communicate with the people who you labeled, then how can you honestly feel genuine when you make the statements you do?

Gundude
04-09-2012, 14:23
1900-1910 anyone who could get here could stay here but then we did not have a welfare system so no one cared.

Now we have a country with 48 million on food stamps.

Notice during the Great Depression mass immigration came to a halt. Letís give immigration a rest until the economy picks up.How 'bout we give food stamps a rest until the economy picks up?

LAWDOGKMS
04-09-2012, 14:30
I feel like this is an inaccurate overgeneralization. The first thing I'd say is that my personal experiences in Miami have helped shape my opinion.

Second, I would ask - tu hablas espanol? If you can't even communicate with the people who you labeled, then how can you honestly feel genuine when you make the statements you do?

I'm not trying to be flippant when I say the following, and I do think that Americans should be more lingual and find it sad that most non-minority americans only speak one language and should broaden their lingual skills...which is why I speak some spanish (used to be better) but isn't the burden or onus on the immigrant when they come to America to learn to speak OUR language?

Is that unreasonable? English IS the language of our country if I'm not mistaken..

I lived on the border for 5 years and in addition to high school spanish I took in Florida in the 80's, and in college, I took two more college level spanish classes to learn to speak it more. Unfortunately, the less you use it, the more you lose and although I can make myself understood 90% of the time in spanish, following a fast speaking spanish speaker is difficult.

If I were to choose to move to another country..I would do everything possible to learn to speak THEIR language and assimilate into their culture...not bring mine with me and try to change where they live..

Have you walked into a grocery store in Miami lately? The majority of the time, the clerk ONLY speaks spanish and acts as if you should too..

Is Miami still part of the United States of America?

wjv
04-09-2012, 14:44
Yeah because they came in as Immediate Relatives. Immediate Relatives are exempt from the quota limits and wait times. The term Immediate Relatives doesn't apply to everyone though.

In my hypo I didn't say the child of a US citizen, I said the son or daughter. There is a difference.

They weren't "Immediate Relatives" until we adopted them in China. . .

Hyksos
04-09-2012, 14:48
Have you walked into a grocery store in Miami lately? The majority of the time, the clerk ONLY speaks spanish and acts as if you should too..

Is Miami still part of the United States of America?

I am usually addressed in Spanish, but as soon as I respond in English they switch to English. I've never had an experience where someone gave me grief for not speaking spanish.

But, I have had instances where the other person does not speak any English (this was at a pizza place in hialeah). I'm not complaining. I'm certainly not complaining about the women either. If they wanna talk dirty Spanish to me, who am I to stop them?

greentriple
04-09-2012, 16:12
No, a statement that implies that race or culture has any correlation with crime is racist. Crime as articulated by said poster is related to poverty. That people of a particular race or culture find themselves in impoverished conditions in disproportionate numbers is a socio-political issue tied to many many factors having nothing to do with race.

A non-racist statement might be as follows. Poor or impoverished communities in the US experience higher levels of crime than middle and upper income communities, regardless of the racial or cultural make-up of that community. Being in those areas, whether in urban or rural communities can be dangerous. Blacks, Latinos and other minorities experience high levels of poverty in the US.

Another example of racist statements is the identification of victims and suspects by race when it's done to incite emotion. For example, two white men were arrested for killing two black men. The race of the suspect is irrelevant as they are already captured.


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greentriple
04-09-2012, 16:22
Most immigrants today, by and large come to the US with no skills or work ethics and mainly become welfare anchors..

You have no basis for this erroneous statement. In fact illegals cannot avail themselves if our welfare programs.


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greentriple
04-09-2012, 16:25
I'm not trying to be flippant when I say the following, and I do think that Americans should be more lingual and find it sad that most non-minority americans only speak one language and should broaden their lingual skills...which is why I speak some spanish (used to be better) but isn't the burden or onus on the immigrant when they come to America to learn to speak OUR language?

Is that unreasonable? English IS the language of our country if I'm not mistaken..

I lived on the border for 5 years and in addition to high school spanish I took in Florida in the 80's, and in college, I took two more college level spanish classes to learn to speak it more. Unfortunately, the less you use it, the more you lose and although I can make myself understood 90% of the time in spanish, following a fast speaking spanish speaker is difficult.

If I were to choose to move to another country..I would do everything possible to learn to speak THEIR language and assimilate into their culture...not bring mine with me and try to change where they live..

Have you walked into a grocery store in Miami lately? The majority of the time, the clerk ONLY speaks spanish and acts as if you should too..

Is Miami still part of the United States of America?

Regardless off your belief, or desire we have no official language.


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LAWDOGKMS
04-09-2012, 16:33
You have no basis for this erroneous statement. In fact illegals cannot avail themselves if our welfare programs.


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Absolute B.S....

I have two warrants on my desk for two illegals for exactly that...social security number fraud (multiple numbers and identities)

It is rampant in the US...

And no hospital will turn anyone away for medical treatment (which we taxpayers pay for) not even illegals...and believe me, they use it, and fill up the E.R's for a stuffy noses and such...

greentriple
04-09-2012, 19:40
Ok using this same non-racist reasoning the following is true and not racist.
White men commit more sexually violent crimes towards children. Children would be safer if white men were kept away from them.
White men commit more acts of terrorism within the US. Thus white men are more disposed to being terrorist and communities would be safer without them and our government should regulate them more carefully.
White men in positions of financial power steal more money and commit financial crimes that have a greater economic effect on the country. Thus white men should not be I trusted with money as they are thieves.
White men commit more federal economic crimes. They are thieves.
Across the country white men commit more acts of violence. Communities would be safer with them in custody.

White men are a greater threat to our national safety, economic well being and personal safety than anyone else v


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greentriple
04-09-2012, 20:03
Absolute B.S....

I have two warrants on my desk for two illegals for exactly that...social security number fraud (multiple numbers and identities)

It is rampant in the US...

And no hospital will turn anyone away for medical treatment (which we taxpayers pay for) not even illegals...and believe me, they use it, and fill up the E.R's for a stuffy noses and such...

Most illegals do not go to hospitals. Per my friends in ER the greatest abuses come from the homeless and drug addicts. Which they add are more US citizens, and predominately white and black.


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LAWDOGKMS
04-09-2012, 20:58
Ok using this same non-racist reasoning the following is true and not racist.
White men commit more sexually violent crimes towards children. Children would be safer if white men were kept away from them.
White men commit more acts of terrorism within the US. Thus white men are more disposed to being terrorist and communities would be safer without them and our government should regulate them more carefully.
White men in positions of financial power steal more money and commit financial crimes that have a greater economic effect on the country. Thus white men should not be I trusted with money as they are thieves.
White men commit more federal economic crimes. They are thieves.
Across the country white men commit more acts of violence. Communities would be safer with them in custody.

White men are a greater threat to our national safety, economic well being and personal safety than anyone else v


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Numerically, maybe, but that is only because they far outnumber other ethnicities..but even then, i doubt it..

However, minorities commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crime everywhere..And blacks particularly commit 50x more violent crime than any other ethnic group.

Add to that the fact that 22 million hispanics don't exist in US crime statistics, as they are all reported as white, along with many other ethnicities. THIS IS A FACT, AND GREATLY SKEWS CRIME STATISTICS BY RACE.

Read this article that samples the crime statistics in NYC for one year for a sampling of what is going on in every city in America, but no one likes to talk about..

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon0514hm.html

My favorite quote from the article that tells it like it is: "The face of violent crime in New York, in other words, like in every other large American city, is almost exclusively black and brown"

This is not from some white nationalist website, but from a respected news site, is NOT racist, it just tells the politically incorrect TRUTH.

I see it on the streets on a daily basis and know what i'm writing is not PC, but is FACT that i've witnessed for 20 years..

All of this tangent we got off on aside, i have to say that i DO NOT feel that we should be deporting anyone but immigrants who are caught committing crimes, and i think it would be a tragedy to deport illegal immigrants with children.

That said, I think we should seriously lock down the border like the border between North and South Korea. No exceptions!

greentriple
04-10-2012, 22:26
Numerically, maybe, but that is only because they far outnumber other ethnicities..but even then, i doubt it..

However, minorities commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crime everywhere..And blacks particularly commit 50x more violent crime than any other ethnic group.

Add to that the fact that 22 million hispanics don't exist in US crime statistics, as they are all reported as white, along with many other ethnicities. THIS IS A FACT, AND GREATLY SKEWS CRIME STATISTICS BY RACE.

Read this article that samples the crime statistics in NYC for one year for a sampling of what is going on in every city in America, but no one likes to talk about..

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon0514hm.html

My favorite quote from the article that tells it like it is: "The face of violent crime in New York, in other words, like in every other large American city, is almost exclusively black and brown"

This is not from some white nationalist website, but from a respected news site, is NOT racist, it just tells the politically incorrect TRUTH.

I see it on the streets on a daily basis and know what i'm writing is not PC, but is FACT that i've witnessed for 20 years..

All of this tangent we got off on aside, i have to say that i DO NOT feel that we should be deporting anyone but immigrants who are caught committing crimes, and i think it would be a tragedy to deport illegal immigrants with children.

That said, I think we should seriously lock down the border like the border between North and South Korea. No exceptions!

Now that was a sound and supported post, thanks. And while I don't agree win the validity of your sources I respect it.

Also I agree with what I think you are saying about illegal immigration.


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wprebeck
04-10-2012, 23:47
Hmm...I work with the following immigrants, two of whom are sworn officers:

A Haitian
A Bosnian
An Armenian
A Russian

The latter two are married, and the Russian has a brother here, as well. The Haitian works with a Catholic charity dealing with other immigrants from his country. My city has a very large population of Bosnians, as well.

Down the road in Lexington, there was an influx of Asians when Toyota opened their plant just outside of town. Some went to school with me, and did the English as a second language class, because they didn't yet speak it.

I also see a number of Cubans....one of my former coworkers was Cuban Army, and escaped. I know his situation is a bit different, but don't tell me its impossible for immigrants to come here legally. I work with them every single day.

juggy4711
04-10-2012, 23:48
Skin color isn't the real factor it's culture. That those cultures are so aligned with skin color is unfortunate but doesn't change a thing.

wprebeck
04-10-2012, 23:49
Most illegals do not go to hospitals. Per my friends in ER the greatest abuses come from the homeless and drug addicts. Which they add are more US citizens, and predominately white and black.


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While your friend is correct on the homeless trend, I guess I imagine all those Hispanic folks I see when I'm sitting on a hospital run.

greentriple
04-11-2012, 12:33
Let's not confuse Latino for illegal, that's the problem. You assume if they are Latino and in the ER they must be illegal. I did not say Latinos did not use ER, I said illegals regardless of culture or nationality.

BTW - the Obama administration is deporting record numbers of illegals as compared to its conservative predecessors.

As for crappy grammar, guilty as charged, I'd blame the iPad, but my dyslexia kills word processors too.

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