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GumbyDammit
04-13-2012, 00:28
I guess that with the incident in NH today we should just start requesting compliance in a birthday card. :upeyes:

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=19971342&section=local

Matthew Stewart supporters gather to raise money, rebuke police tactics
by Ladd Brubaker
OGDEN — A group calling itself "Keep the Peace" blames police tactics used in the war on drugs for the home raid and exchange of gunfire Jan. 4 that led to the death of Ogden police officer Jared Francom.

A group of nearly 100 people held a press conference at the Weber County Library Thursday night, calling on the Ogden City Council to withdraw from the Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force, and called for the electoral defeat of Weber County Attorney Dee Smith, who is running for Utah attorney general as a Democrat.

The group is also raising funds to help defend Matthew David Stewart, who is charged with capital murder in the shooting death of Francom. He is also charged with shooting and wounding five other officers as the strike force attempted to serve a drug-related search warrant at Stewart's home.

Group organizer Jesse Fruhwirth insists Stewart had never been known to be a violent person.

"Matthew is now facing the death penalty for defending himself in his home," he said.

Members of the group said they don't blame individual officers for their roles in the raid and exchange of gunfire.

"We feel terrible for the death of officer Jared Francom, the injuries and trauma of the other officers, as well as the injuries to Matthew," said Liz Martinez Hoffman, a Stewart family friend. "But it's clear to any thinking person that the violent war on drugs caused this terrible situation, not Matthew himself. He is also a victim of this situation."

Stewart's father, Michael, said he is a supporter of law enforcement, who do "a difficult and thankless job," but called the task force's tactics "violent and misguided." The incident was unfortunate and avoidable, he said.

"There could have been a better way. There has to be a better way," Michael Stewart said.

Matthew Stewart's sister-in-law, Erna Stewart, said she believes military-like operations used in the war on drugs "breeds a culture of violence and aggression within our law enforcement agencies."

Tom Hayes told those at the rally that he saw the Jan. 4 police operation from his house through a parking lot. He said that as officers put on gear in anticipation of the operation, they "gave high fives ... like before a football game — let's go get 'em-type. It was disgusting. It's disgusting."

Hayes also indicated that he doesn't blame the police. "We definitely need officers and they do a fine job," he said, adding that he's noticed a reduction in crime in Ogden in the past five years.

Police say Stewart, armed with a Beretta .9mm handgun, was relentless in firing on officers that night. He continued to shoot officers after they were down, firing on officers as they tried to get their wounded brothers out of the house, and then following the officers even after they had left the house, shooting at them from his front door into the street, a police affidavit states. Evidence indicating he was growing marijuana in the basement was also recovered from the Ogden home.

Salvador Tavale, who said he lived next door to Matthew Stewart for 11 years, described him as a nice, easygoing neighbor. He said his neighbor did not have frequent visitors as might be expected if he had been selling drugs.

"I don't know how the police got the idea he was selling drugs," Tavale said.

An emotional Gabriel Stewart, the suspect's brother, asked: "I want to know what the police were protecting you all from."

Calling the county attorney "part of an old system of violence," Hoffman called on Smith to conduct a balanced review of the incident, "instead of trying to blame it all on Matt."

Contributing: Mike Anderson

Email:lbrubaker@ksl.com
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RVER
04-13-2012, 03:33
This is damn scary. Someone once said that a society that goes to war against their police had better make peace with it's criminals first... or words similar.

Ship A'Hoy
04-13-2012, 04:32
That article just made me puke.

DoogieHowser
04-13-2012, 04:36
I shouldn't be reading this ****

Bren
04-13-2012, 05:06
This is damn scary. Someone once said that a society that goes to war against their police had better make peace with it's criminals first... or words similar.

In the real world, the police and military create an environment that is safe enough for these people to forget about what the police and military do for them and start protesting in favor of the other side. Pull back that line of people making them safe and comfortable and attitudes will reverse and they will come running for the people who keep them safe, again.

"Protestors" are nearly always cut from that same cloth. Otherwise, they'd be able to actually get things done, instead of marching in circlers and whining.

In short - only people who have safety and comfort provided by others can move on to less important needs, like telling everybody their opinions and hanging out with their chosen in-group of hippies. I'm sure there are many theories that say the same, but Maslow's has a nice graphic representation of the idea.

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/hierarchy.gif

GumbyDammit
04-13-2012, 05:25
It pisses me off to no end to think that these people could find any kind of justification for this ****heads actions. He broke the law, then ambushed those charged to enforce it. He knew exactly what he was doing. Thank God those officers used the tactics and equipment they did. Had they come with flowers and chocolates he would have massacred them all. Screw this guy and his pot smoking pseudo pacifist hippie support group. May they get exactly what they want.

Ajon412
04-13-2012, 06:04
This is damn scary. Someone once said that a society that goes to war against their police had better make peace with it's criminals first... or words similar.

+1......This is where we're at and I fear that it's going to get much worse.....These knuckleheads are terribly misguided...

Mayhem like Me
04-13-2012, 07:53
In the real world, the police and military create an environment that is safe enough for these people to forget about what the police and military do for them and start protesting in favor of the other side. Pull back that line of people making them safe and comfortable and attitudes will reverse and they will come running for the people who keep them safe, again.

"Protestors" are nearly always cut from that same cloth. Otherwise, they'd be able to actually get things done, instead of marching in circlers and whining.

In short - only people who have safety and comfort provided by others can move on to less important needs, like telling everybody their opinions and hanging out with their chosen in-group of hippies. I'm sure there are many theories that say the same, but Maslow's has a nice graphic representation of the idea.

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/hierarchy.gif

Holy Sheep ****..Bren..

You pulled out the Hierarchy of needs trump card...


Well played sir... well played

DaBigBR
04-13-2012, 08:20
Huh, they actually went there.

msu_grad_121
04-13-2012, 14:48
Huh, they actually went there.

I wish I could say I was surprised, but of late, I'm hardly surprised by the idiocy and ignorance of persons who have never earned their right to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide.

That article did turn my effing stomach, tho. I've got a feeling it's going to put a damper on my whole day.

gasboffer
04-13-2012, 15:30
I didn't read in the news release where the shooter's body was taken, did the police run out of ammo?

msu_grad_121
04-13-2012, 16:01
Word of warning: DO NOT read the comments, they will only make your blood pressure go up. :steamed: :puking:

GumbyDammit
04-13-2012, 16:11
I didn't read in the news release where the shooter's body was taken, did the police run out of ammo?

He was shot multiple times, but surrendered when it came down to the final stand. Unfortunately he didn't give any of the other officers that option... of course it was the war on drugs that caused it so he really didn't have any say in the matter.