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Gunnut 45/454
04-17-2012, 17:25
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No

G-19
04-17-2012, 17:31
Tagged, this will be good.

ChuteTheMall
04-17-2012, 17:35
Is this poll open to former Ronulans who have finally grown up and faced reality, or is it limited to the deluded diehards who still haven't abandoned the sinking ship?
:tinfoil::drowning:

Ruble Noon
04-17-2012, 18:03
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Why of course,if it's Ron Paul.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

No

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Ron Paul is a republican

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No

No. I would much rather Paul be elected.


Answers in red.

Gundude
04-17-2012, 18:03
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No1) No.
2) Don't know. Can't speak for RP.
3) Yes. From about Jan 3, 1995 to about October 26, 2001.
4) Against Romney, yes.

barbedwiresmile
04-17-2012, 18:03
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

No.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

No.

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Yes.

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No

It will make no difference from the standpoint of political economy, civil liberties, fiscal policy, foreign policy, scale of the federal state, etc. But if I had to answer yes/no, I would say yes.

JK-linux
04-17-2012, 18:10
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Stubudd
04-17-2012, 18:13
No. Why would i vote for a liberal big government big spender flip flopping say anything anybody wants to hear at any time gun banning health care expanding slimeball politician when there are far too many of them already?

The reason for running was to try to win and have somebody in the office that might could do something to alter the destructive path we're on.

Why would i support a party that would nominate mitt romney, see above

i don't really care, the same people will be pulling the strings regardless. i'd rather tell everybody i can what is really going on right up to the end, and work against the two party system that works against me, rather than facilitate it by accepted the above described nominee

Gunnut 45/454
04-17-2012, 18:37
ChuteTheMall
Yes it's open anyone who supported RP at any time.

Ruble Noon
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Why of course,if it's Ron Paul. And if it isn't RP

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

No So you don't know if your canidate supports the GOP's stated goals for our country?

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Ron Paul is a republican Really? I'd say RHINO

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No

No. I would much rather Paul be elected. So if he's not nominated who will you vote for?

Gundude
Thanks for your honest answer!

barbedwiresmile
No Surprise here!

JK-linux
Again no surprise

Stubudd
So you feel Obama is the better choice over Mitt? Or do you agree more with Obamamoa?

Gary W Trott
04-17-2012, 18:40
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No
Maybe

No

Yes

Rather than what?

Stubudd
04-17-2012, 18:58
I said i don't care. The same people will be pulling the strings with either one. These people that pull the strings work against me, and you, in a thousand different ways, intentional and unintentional. Even the "well-intentioned" stuff they do, like social security or 1000 other things, ultimately harm me and you in so many ways - i'm not going to work for them by supporting anything they.

Gun to my head, romney or obama, i'd say pull the trigger.

If you won't shoot me, i'd say whichever party has more control of congress, i'd want the other in the WH, since the best possible option is gridlock- either party will only take more and more from us if given the power to do it. That's an absolute fact. They have proven it over and over and over and over. There are no conservatives anymore. They'll take everything they can get- they'll take it all eventually.

You're trying to talk me into voting for a yankee liberal- i'd say it's you that has the problem, not me. I want a poll of what kind of person votes for a yankee progressive when progressives are absolutely wrecking the greatest country in the history of the world. That's my poll question for you- what in the world are you thinking.

Stubudd
04-17-2012, 19:00
You asked which i agree with more- i disagree with them both on almost everything possible. I disagree with using government to steal and control americans. They don't. There's not much else to say.

RCP
04-17-2012, 19:02
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No

1. No, not with Mitt Romney as the nominee.

2. No, Ron Paul has been a Republican congressman for how many years?

3. In every election I've ever voted in since old enough to vote I've always voted straight Republican.

4. Yes if it means denying Romney (Obama's equivalent) another potential 8 years of destruction. I'd prefer Obama ONLY because it means we get a chance in another 4 years to get a real conservative instead of having to wait 8. *note-this does not mean I will actively support or vote for Obama I simply will treat Romney the same.

RCP
04-17-2012, 19:05
Ron Paul is a republican Really? I'd say RHINO



And what would you say Romney is?:whistling:

yellowhand
04-17-2012, 19:35
Yes, anyone but O'bama!
However, TWO RINO's in a row is getting old quick and turning blue holding my breath and my nose to vote for J.McCain and now Mitt in November,
It's like when the doctor says,
"son, that leg has to come off or you'll die!"
And after being pissed off for a while, you realize that
A wooden leg to walk on is far better than a wooden casket to sleep in.

The Machinist
04-17-2012, 20:13
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.
No. Because it will be Romney.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No
No.

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No
Yes.

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No
No. But I don't think our future would be any brighter under Romney.

stevelyn
04-17-2012, 21:00
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No

1) Yes as I can accept reality.

2) No. RP ran as a republican. RP's message is about shrinking our overly large govt, living within our means, ending some of our troublesome entangling alliances and getting back to the original intent of our Constitution which is personal liberty and prosperity. All parties should support those basic tenents of a free republic.

3) Yes, out of necessity.

4) No. ABO. The lesser evil as usual.

juggy4711
04-17-2012, 21:07
1) Only if it is RP, not that RP as PotUS would make a difference in the long run but I will have a clear conscious.
2) No
3) Yes
4) It won't make a difference in the long run.

RC-RAMIE
04-17-2012, 21:33
1. Not if I don't agree with their politics.

2. I think he was running to try and push the GOP back to the days of non-interventionist small government pre Bush GOP, unfortunately it looks like the GOP prefers a more big government preemptive war type GOP, good luck with that.

3. Unfortunately the GOP I want to support is the minority in the party right now. I don't look at it as supporting the GOP I don't think the neocons have a claim on the GOP they just have the majority right now. It will come back around to the non interventionist small government section of the GOP in time. I look at it as supporting small government principles when the GOP supports the same again I will support the GOP?

4. If it comes down to Mitt and Obama I will sit back and prepare the best I can, I don't expect a huge difference just more kicking the can.


"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it is realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. - Ron Paul

RC-RAMIE
04-17-2012, 21:37
Dbl post

evlbruce
04-17-2012, 21:37
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.
Depends on the nominee. I will not vote for Mittens.
Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No
We have in effect a two party system. I'd much rather have libertarianism forming the platform for at least one of them. The question Republicans at large needs to ask is do they want libertarian votes.
Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No
Yes.
Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No
One term of Obama versus two terms of a liberal governor from Massachusetts? Let the current socialist in office ride his term out, no need to put a new one in.

certifiedfunds
04-17-2012, 22:54
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.



I will abstain if it is Romney. I have principles and won't vote for a gun-grabbing, yankee progressive. I won't be herded in by the Progressive Republican party leadership.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No



I honestly don't know. Ron Paul is a conservative Republican so I don't understand the question.

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No



Yes. I became independent in 2008 when I realized the Republicans had become leftist Progressives.

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No

I'm torn.

I don't want Obama to win but I don't think it'll make a difference in the end result other than to hasten it a bit, which might be preferable.

certifiedfunds
04-17-2012, 22:56
Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No



Question for you: Why did the gun-grabbing, tax and spend, liberal progressive, father of obamacare Romney run on the GOP ticket?

RC-RAMIE
04-17-2012, 22:58
Question for you: Why did the gun-grabbing, tax and spend, liberal progressive, father of obamacare Romney run on the GOP ticket?

He fits in.


"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it is realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. - Ron Paul

certifiedfunds
04-17-2012, 23:07
He fits in.



:rofl:touche'

JBnTX
04-18-2012, 08:07
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No


I'm definitely NOT a Ron Paul supporter but,


I will support the GOP nominee whoever it is.

Yes, Ron Paul leeched off the republican party just to get
national exposure. Otherwise no one would even know his name.
Ron Paul is NOT a republican and has no loyalty to the republican party.

I've supported the GOP since I voted for Ronald Reagan.

Obama MUST be defeated! Any of the republican candidates would
make a better president. Just pick one.

certifiedfunds
04-18-2012, 08:21
I'm definitely NOT a Ron Paul supporter but,


I will support the GOP nominee whoever it is.

Yes, Ron Paul leeched off the republican party just to get
national exposure. Otherwise no one would even know his name.
Ron Paul is NOT a republican and has no loyalty to the republican party.

I've supported the GOP since I voted for Ronald Reagan.

Obama MUST be defeated! Any of the republican candidates would
make a better president. Just pick one.

You're like the poster boy for Progressive Republicans.

BTW, is party loyalty really something you think is a positive in politicians?

lancesorbenson
04-18-2012, 08:40
I'm definitely NOT a Ron Paul supporter but,


I will support the GOP nominee whoever it is.

Yes, Ron Paul leeched off the republican party just to get
national exposure. Otherwise no one would even know his name.
Ron Paul is NOT a republican and has no loyalty to the republican party.

I've supported the GOP since I voted for Ronald Reagan.

Obama MUST be defeated! Any of the republican candidates would
make a better president. Just pick one.

Ron Paul is a 12-term REPUBLICAN congressman. What exactly are YOUR party qualifications?

certifiedfunds
04-18-2012, 08:45
I'm definitely NOT a Ron Paul supporter but,


I will support the GOP nominee whoever it is.

Yes, Ron Paul leeched off the republican party just to get
national exposure. Otherwise no one would even know his name.
Ron Paul is NOT a republican and has no loyalty to the republican party.

I've supported the GOP since I voted for Ronald Reagan.

Obama MUST be defeated! Any of the republican candidates would
make a better president. Just pick one.

You know, Ronald Reagan didn't care for 3rd parties. He believed Republicans should repair the party from within.

It appears to me that Ron Paul has spent 20 years trying to do just that.

You don't agree with Ronald Reagan?

kirgi08
04-18-2012, 09:40
My friend,I disagree.Obama hasta go.His access ta the SCOTUS noms is the scariest threat out there.1 more liberal justice will send this nation inta the abyss.

Folks,I'm not a fan of Mitt.We need a warder,not personal arrogance.We need ta restart this nation and folks personal rhetoric and agendas are useless.1 frikking election ain't gonna stop the bleeding.Since the 60s the "entitlement" nation has exploded.Folk will always vote for their "economic" teet.We need ta win this cycle and then remove the warders/rhinos and install true conservative politicians.

IMHO,Rubio will be sucked inta this election.Therefore,we need ta think hard about Jindal/West and avoid the RP/RP squared repeat.'08.

kirgi08
04-18-2012, 09:44
CF,RP isn't a conservative.He's a Libertarian,not on the "Mitch" level,and weak on FP.Sorry my friend I disagree.'08. :sorry:

Ruble Noon
04-18-2012, 09:49
CF,RP isn't a conservative.He's a Libertarian,not on the "Mitch" level,and weak on FP.Sorry my friend I disagree.'08. :sorry:

That is waaayyy more conservative than Romney. :wavey:

Gundude
04-18-2012, 09:49
We need ta win this cycle and then remove the warders/rhinos and install true conservative politicians.Do you see the contradiction there?

You don't remove warders/rhinos by electing them.

You think "this cycle" is more important than the others, but it isn't. Every cycle will have some scary threat facing you. That fear will never allow you to remove the warders/rhinos, because you fear the alternative more. You can say "let's win this one, then start," but you will be saying that forever. The warders/rhinos are going to make sure of it.

Woofie
04-18-2012, 09:53
Yes, anyone but O'bama!
However, TWO RINO's in a row is getting old quick and turning blue holding my breath and my nose to vote for J.McCain and now Mitt in November,
It's like when the doctor says,
"son, that leg has to come off or you'll die!"
And after being pissed off for a while, you realize that
A wooden leg to walk on is far better than a wooden casket to sleep in.

A better analogy would be if the doctor says you have cancer and you need to have chemo to live.

So you beat the cancer only to die from the chemotherapy a few months later.

frank4570
04-18-2012, 09:54
Question for you: Why did the gun-grabbing, tax and spend, liberal progressive, father of obamacare Romney run on the GOP ticket?

That's it. That is the thing about Romney that has been bugging me that I couldn't put my finger on. He isn't a conservative. And if it wasn't for the fact that our politics are HEAVILY influenced by religious beliefs, he wouldn't be on the republican ticket.

Gundude
04-18-2012, 10:19
That's it. That is the thing about Romney that has been bugging me that I couldn't put my finger on. He isn't a conservative. And if it wasn't for the fact that our politics are HEAVILY influenced by religious beliefs, he wouldn't be on the republican ticket.What I can't put my finger on is, out of all the people who started this primary, why Romney was deemed the "electable" one. Let's face it, that's the main reason people voted for him. But how did that idea originate? Not many people seem to like him.

evlbruce
04-18-2012, 10:21
Do you see the contradiction there?

You don't remove warders/rhinos by electing them.

You think "this cycle" is more important than the others, but it isn't. Every cycle will have some scary threat facing you. That fear will never allow you to remove the warders/rhinos, because you fear the alternative more. You can say "let's win this one, then start," but you will be saying that forever. The warders/rhinos are going to make sure of it.

It's worth repeating.

How many times have we heard "this is the most important election of our lifetime," only to have roughly the same policy advanced?

JBnTX
04-18-2012, 10:52
That is waaayyy more conservative than Romney. :wavey:



Why can't Ron Paul get elected?

He's the most conservative candidate in a conservative country that's fed up
with politics as usual.

"Some" of his policies are good for America.
Others would be a disaster.

He has the money.

If he's so right for America, then why isn't he leading in the polls?

I'd vote for him IF he had a chance to win, but I'm not throwing my vote
away when it can be put to better use helping to defeat Obama.

A vote for Romney is a vote against Obama.


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Gundude
04-18-2012, 11:14
Why can't Ron Paul get elected?

He's the most conservative candidate in a conservative country that's fed up
with politics as usual.

"Some" of his policies are good for America.
Others would be a disaster.

He has the money.

If he's so right for America, then why isn't he leading in the polls?

I'd vote for him IF he had a chance to win, but I'm not throwing my vote
away when it can be put to better use helping to defeat Obama.

A vote for Romney is a vote against Obama.


..What makes you think Romney can beat Obama?

jeager
04-18-2012, 11:17
ys yes yes no

frank4570
04-18-2012, 11:18
Why can't Ron Paul get elected?

He's the most conservative candidate in a conservative country that's fed up
with politics as usual.



But it's not that much of a conservative country anymore. It has become a country of people who live beyond their means, who expect the government to take care of their life for them.
Those people are very very close to being agreeable to giving up their freedoms in exchange for the government promising them 3 hot meals and a big screen TV.
Just try to tell people they should give up some of their stuff and see what happens.

certifiedfunds
04-18-2012, 11:35
CF,RP isn't a conservative.He's a Libertarian,not on the "Mitch" level,and weak on FP.Sorry my friend I disagree.'08. :sorry:

You're certainly entitled to disagree. :supergrin:

The RP conservative vs libertarian thing is a matter of perspective. RP is conservative in the way Thomas Jefferson was conservative.

Conservatism today is really, truly neo-conservatism which is akin to the democrats of old. JFK was more conservative than the current batch of Repubs. I don't think Reagan could get the nomination today.

The window has shifted. The country as founded was VERY libertarian.

kirgi08
04-18-2012, 12:05
You're certainly entitled to disagree. :supergrin:

The RP conservative vs libertarian thing is a matter of perspective. RP is conservative in the way Thomas Jefferson was conservative.

Disagree,Nope,IE/slaves.Granted.

Conservatism today is really, truly neo-conservatism which is akin to the democrats of old. JFK was more conservative than the current batch of Repubs. I don't think Reagan could get the nomination today.

I don't buy.

The window has shifted. The country as founded was VERY libertarian.


The posts we started,tell the tale.'08.

RC-RAMIE
04-18-2012, 13:03
The posts we started,tell the tale.'08.

Where did this Libertarians support slavery and not letting certain groups vote come from on this board? One of libertarians core beliefs is individual liberties.

Ruble Noon
04-18-2012, 15:04
What I can't put my finger on is, out of all the people who started this primary, why Romney was deemed the "electable" one. Let's face it, that's the main reason people voted for him. But how did that idea originate? Not many people seem to like him.

Once again the left chose our candidate for the republican elite and all the little sheep lined up behind them.

G19G20
04-18-2012, 16:05
Why feed the trolls? When I saw this thread posted yesterday I hoped it would be ignored and shuffled off the first page in shame.

Javelin
04-18-2012, 16:13
Si :whistling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMTIksFxbQ

chickenwing
04-18-2012, 16:57
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No

Depends, if the nominee's small government rhetoric matches their past actions, and whether popular or not, have stuck to those limited government principles, yes. Mitt, no.


No, he is a Republican congress critter. The GOP as veered so much to the left he is considered more libertarian, today's version of a classic liberal.


Yes.


Then who? The cycle seems to be 8 years apiece for R and D's. While the whole time moving to the left, no matter who's in charge. Spending has increased, no matter how each side try's to rationalize or make excuses for why their guy did it, does not negate the trend government has taken.

Electing a big government liberal republican does not end that trend for me, only continues the vicious cycle America is stuck in.

Simply put I wont vote for Barry or Mitt. And it makes no difference to me or anyone else if either of them wins out of any of them running for POTUS.

The path is set. The cycle history lays out for us concerning the fate of nations built with fiat money and military expansionism is there, but seems to be ignored or ridiculed. America is not immune to this dynamic.



Don't waste to much time or effort into changing the political landscape at the federal level. It's sadly a waste, and does nothing to curtail the actual size, scope, or spending of fedzilla.

DonGlock26
04-18-2012, 16:57
Did RP personally or directly go after Romney in the debates?

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Ruble Noon
04-18-2012, 17:17
Did RP personally or directly go after Romney in the debates?

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I don't know. He wasn't allotted much time and a lot of his time was taken up by the crowd applauding.

certifiedfunds
04-18-2012, 17:32
Did RP personally or directly go after Romney in the debates?

_

I don't think Dr. Paul is a violent man and Romney is a few decades younger than him.

walt cowan
04-18-2012, 18:45
wait for the convention. the shoe might be on the other foot.:whistling:

Gunnut 45/454
04-18-2012, 19:06
G19G20
Why you can't answer legit questions? From what I've seen so far I got the answers I figured I would get. They are that you RP supprorters are not true supporters of the GOP. As I've said all along from day one of the primary's! RP ran just so he could get the attention he never got as a Liberterian party canidate! Yep he's been elected as a Republicain in TX. My question is why he never ran for Congress as the Liberterian he is? When he was elected he very well could have changed to Liberterian instead of using the R. Why didn't he? I'll tell you why cause he would have never been re-elected if he had! Thanks all for participating it was very much the eye opening I think we all needed.:supergrin:

barbedwiresmile
04-18-2012, 19:21
From what I've seen so far I got the answers I figured I would get. They are that you RP supprorters are not true supporters of the GOP.

I would have thought that fairly obvious.

A better question might be: why should we support the GOP?

certifiedfunds
04-18-2012, 19:24
G19G20
Why you can't answer legit questions? From what I've seen so far I got the answers I figured I would get. They are that you RP supprorters are not true supporters of the GOP.

You support a party.

I'll support conservative principles and liberty.

JK-linux
04-18-2012, 20:35
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RCP
04-18-2012, 21:01
G19G20
Why you can't answer legit questions? From what I've seen so far I got the answers I figured I would get. They are that you RP supprorters are not true supporters of the GOP. As I've said all along from day one of the primary's! RP ran just so he could get the attention he never got as a Liberterian party canidate! Yep he's been elected as a Republicain in TX. My question is why he never ran for Congress as the Liberterian he is? When he was elected he very well could have changed to Liberterian instead of using the R. Why didn't he? I'll tell you why cause he would have never been re-elected if he had! Thanks all for participating it was very much the eye opening I think we all needed.:supergrin:

Ha! The eye opening you needed? You have yet to open your eyes as you continue to blindly throw your support behind the GOPs nominee no matter who or how bad they are. I think the real question is: What's it gonna take before you open your eyes?

Ruble Noon
04-18-2012, 21:28
Ha! The eye opening you needed? You have yet to open your eyes as you continue to blindly throw your support behind the GOPs nominee no matter who or how bad they are. I think the real question is: What's it gonna take before you open your eyes?

There is hope for some of them. I'll admit that I was about half blind when I joined this forum. I read well articulated posts from barbedwiresmile and Chronos that caused me to question my beliefs but the guy that really got to me was Stubudd. Man he used to really piss me off. Then I watched the antics of the House republicans after winning a majority in 2010 and I read more posts from Stubudd and I realized that he had been right all along.

certifiedfunds
04-18-2012, 21:47
There is hope for some of them. I'll admit that I was about half blind when I joined this forum. I read well articulated posts from barbedwiresmile and Chronos that caused me to question my beliefs but the guy that really got to me was Stubudd. Man he used to really piss me off. Then I watched the antics of the House republicans after winning a majority in 2010 and I read more posts from Stubudd and I realized that he had been right all along.

Same here!

My views have definitely evolved, in part from reading some of the same folks. barbedwiresmile probably had the bigger impact on my perspective.

Studbudd - that dude's just a maniac. :supergrin:

I joined this forum as a big Dubya supporter.

Once you "get it" its just like common sense. From time to time I slip up and need to do a principle check.

Now where's my Katrina FEMA money?

certifiedfunds
04-18-2012, 21:51
Ha! The eye opening you needed? You have yet to open your eyes as you continue to blindly throw your support behind the GOPs nominee no matter who or how bad they are. I think the real question is: What's it gonna take before you open your eyes?

And they wonder why the GOP keeps giving them crap Progressive for nominees and stabs them in the back when they get the majority in Congress.......

Its because their vote is money in the bank ........

chickenwing
04-18-2012, 22:50
Those dirty anarchist. :supergrin: Well at least Chronos. :supergrin:

Barbedwire, chronos, and sam spade have influenced me the most on this forum. All are good debaters.

I find myself agreeing with barb and chronos the most, but sam always has to throw in that statist monkey wrench.

certifiedfunds
04-18-2012, 22:59
Those dirty anarchist. :supergrin: Well at least Chronos. :supergrin:

Barbedwire, chronos, and sam spade have influenced me the most on this forum. All are good debaters.

I find myself agreeing with barb and chronos the most, but sam always has to throw in that statist monkey wrench.

Sam is one of the few here that I will disagree passionately with but always respect his opinion, even though he's wrong.

:supergrin:

Syclone538
04-19-2012, 00:05
...
Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS?
Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party?
Did you ever support the GOP party?
Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term?
...

No.
I can't speak for RP, but I think he thought running R was his best chance of winning.
Yes. All of my votes cast are probably split something like 70% R, 29% LP, 1% D.
Rather then what?

Bren
04-19-2012, 04:09
The good thing about this thread is, after the election, when Obama appoints that 1 supreme court justice he needs to overrule Heller and McDonald, we can look back here and we'll know which GTers are represenatative of the Obama supporters who caused it.

Ruble Noon
04-19-2012, 05:08
The good thing about this thread is, after the election, when Obama appoints that 1 supreme court justice he needs to overrule Heller and McDonald, we can look back here and we'll know which GTers are represenatative of the Obama supporters who caused it.

True. Blame all the people that went with the herd and backed the Yankee liberal that was for socialized medicine before he was against it and was for gun control before he was against it.

Bren
04-19-2012, 05:24
True. Blame all the people that went with the herd and backed the Yankee liberal that was for socialized medicine before he was against it and was for gun control before he was against it.

Not even close. I don't know if you aren't able to understand it or what, but in the election there are only 2 choices and they are Obama or the Republican, no matter who that is. You are voting Obama and you are doing it knowing that you are. Dress it up any way you want.

certifiedfunds
04-19-2012, 09:17
The good thing about this thread is, after the election, when Obama appoints that 1 supreme court justice he needs to overrule Heller and McDonald, we can look back here and we'll know which GTers are represenatative of the Obama supporters who caused it.

A lot of assumptions here.

First, you assume Romney will lose. Why? Is it because a good portion of Republican voters object to having a tax-n-spend, socialized medicine, gun-grabber shoved down their throats?

Secondly, what on earth makes you think Romney, given his track record, will appoint a justice with the proper views on the 2A? Hell, the Repubs could have blocked Sotomayor but instead Lindsey Graham (a fellow Progressive) made a big show about why he supported her.

Finally, how many SCOTUS rulings have been overturned by later courts?

syntaxerrorsix
04-19-2012, 10:19
I won't vote for a progressive.

kirgi08
04-19-2012, 10:26
It won't matter,after a certain upcoming verdict the state probably won't exist anymore.'08.

Restless28
04-19-2012, 11:19
No.



No.



Yes.



It will make no difference from the standpoint of political economy, civil liberties, fiscal policy, foreign policy, scale of the federal state, etc. But if I had to answer yes/no, I would say yes.


Ditto. Well said, BWS. Maybe the GT folks should listen to more Mark Levin and they would get it about Mitt. Even though Levin isn't a Paul fan, he's no Romney fan either.

DonGlock26
04-19-2012, 12:24
I don't know. He wasn't allotted much time and a lot of his time was taken up by the crowd applauding.

Apparently not. But, why not?


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Bren
04-19-2012, 13:27
A lot of assumptions here.

First, you assume Romney will lose. Why? Is it because a good portion of Republican voters object to having a tax-n-spend, socialized medicine, gun-grabber shoved down their throats?

Secondly, what on earth makes you think Romney, given his track record, will appoint a justice with the proper views on the 2A? Hell, the Repubs could have blocked Sotomayor but instead Lindsey Graham (a fellow Progressive) made a big show about why he supported her.

Finally, how many SCOTUS rulings have been overturned by later courts?

I assume Romney will lose because of what appears to be a lot of "conservative" types claiming they will help Obama win, rather than Romney, if Romney becomes the Republican candidate (as seems very likely).

I think Romney will be more likely than Obama to appoint a pro-2A justice for 3 reasons:
1. He can't be any less likely.
2. To the very great extent that a president is controlled by his party, he will be a Republican, rather than a Democrat.
3. He will be a first term president with a chance to be re-elected, while Obama has no more need of political office in his life, after a second term.

I can't imagine how much more obvious those reasons could be. Assuming Romney is EXACTLY as liberal and atni-gun as Obama, those 3 reasons still make him the clear choice for any conservative or gun owner (assuming he is the candidate, as always).

Bren
04-19-2012, 13:31
I won't vote for a progressive.

Then you WILL vote for Obama, even if you do it by staying home on election day. You don't have a choice - your conduct affects the outcome, no matter what it is.

Ruble Noon
04-19-2012, 15:17
Not even close. I don't know if you aren't able to understand it or what, but in the election there are only 2 choices and they are Obama or the Republican, no matter who that is. You are voting Obama and you are doing it knowing that you are. Dress it up any way you want.

Me thinks that you don't get it. Let's see if I can help. The big government obama and the big government romney are batting for the same team.

Ruble Noon
04-19-2012, 15:18
I assume Romney will lose because of what appears to be a lot of "conservative" types claiming they will help Obama win, rather than Romney, if Romney becomes the Republican candidate (as seems very likely).

I think Romney will be more likely than Obama to appoint a pro-2A justice for 3 reasons:
1. He can't be any less likely.
2. To the very great extent that a president is controlled by his party, he will be a Republican, rather than a Democrat.
3. He will be a first term president with a chance to be re-elected, while Obama has no more need of political office in his life, after a second term.

I can't imagine how much more obvious those reasons could be. Assuming Romney is EXACTLY as liberal and atni-gun as Obama, those 3 reasons still make him the clear choice for any conservative or gun owner (assuming he is the candidate, as always).

Why would a conservative vote for a liberal that was chosen for them by the leftwing media?

syntaxerrorsix
04-19-2012, 15:24
Then you WILL vote for Obama, even if you do it by staying home on election day. You don't have a choice - your conduct affects the outcome, no matter what it is.


So be it. I'm not supporting the establishment and it's progressive ways anymore.

If you want my vote give me a conservative Republican or die on the vine.

Ruble Noon
04-19-2012, 15:29
So be it. I'm not supporting the establishment and it's progressive ways anymore.

If you want my vote give me a conservative Republican or die on the vine.

“The vine bears three kinds of grapes: the first of pleasure, the second of intoxication, the third of disgust”


Diogenes

The republicans are still on the second grape.

jakebrake
04-19-2012, 16:20
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or No

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or No

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or No

i will hold my nose and pull the lever for obomney ONLY to keep the SCOTUS from becoming on fire liberal. otherwise, he makes my flesh crawl.

i don't think so, but, i'm not him, so i can't rtruthfully answer.

support? i've worked the polls for the g.o.p. in my area!

at this point, if a shoe was running against obama, i'd gleefully elect president nike. is romney my choice? God, no...not even as a dog cathcer, but, the SCOTUS...we may have, what , 1, maybe 2 justices go bye bye in the next 4 years? sorry, the two incompetants he's appointedmake that way to important to "sit this out in protest", or pull the "write in, 3rd party, ross perot" nonsense to me.

for the record, i would looooove to see RP bring it home.

lancesorbenson
04-19-2012, 16:25
So be it. I'm not supporting the establishment and it's progressive ways anymore.

If you want my vote give me a conservative Republican or die on the vine.

As of right now almost half the states--including the two most populous--haven't voted. The chances are great that Romney wins the nomination, but I'm holding out hope that the Yankee progressive gets caught with a hooker or pulling a Larry Craig. Apparently his record of being pro-choice, anti-gun, pro-mandate, etc. isn't enough for republicans, so maybe a good sex scandal would work.

jakebrake
04-19-2012, 16:27
maybe a good sex scandal would work.

if he was a dem, it would be considered a resume enhancement:whistling:

RC-RAMIE
04-19-2012, 17:39
Apparently his record of being pro-choice, anti-gun, pro-mandate, etc. isn't enough for republicans, so maybe a good sex scandal would work.

Sounds like a dem


"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it is realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. - Ron Paul

jakebrake
04-19-2012, 17:42
Sounds like a dem



well, he is from massachusetts....just sayin'

G-19
04-19-2012, 18:50
This is getting old. RP don't have a chance, get over it. Vote how you want it is your choice.

certifiedfunds
04-19-2012, 18:58
This is getting old.

I agree. The trolling Romney supporters are doing is tired

jakebrake
04-19-2012, 19:00
i gotta be honest, this whole damned election is getting old.

juggy4711
04-19-2012, 21:02
So be it. I'm not supporting the establishment and it's progressive ways anymore.

If you want my vote give me a conservative Republican or die on the vine.

Haven't heard/read it said so poetically but this all the way. I will not under any circumstances sell myself out or give my consent to placing future generations in debt for the sake of my comfort. Chances are our choices may make us more comfortable for the time being, but we are dooming our children and grandchildren, and perhaps our children's children and grandchildren. If there was ever a circumstance where "won't somebody please think of the children" made sense it is know or never.

Blast
04-19-2012, 21:16
The Ronulans are helping Obama.
I don't like Romney, but he is the lesser of two evils.
Ron Paul is an old fool, but I would vote for him before Obama.
Ron Paul is dead in the water. There is no chance for him.

aspartz
04-19-2012, 22:23
The question is: Will you support the GOP nominee for POTUS yes or no.
That's not a yes/no question. I vote on issues, not a party line. If I will support a GOP candidate depends on their stance on the issues, and the priories they place on them.

Was the reason for RP running on the GOP ticket just to get exposure for the Liberterian party Yes or NoNo, it was an attempt to attract the libertarian leaning independents to pay attention to the GOP. Those people were promptly shown the door by the party elite.

Did you ever support the GOP party Yes or NoOnce again, it depended on the candidate and the platform. I was too young, but Goldwater would definitely get my support. Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann, no.

Would you rather have Obamamoa win a second term Yes or NoOnce again, it depends on the competition. I would vote for a socialist over a theocrat every time.

ARS

Bren
04-20-2012, 04:20
So be it. I'm not supporting the establishment and it's progressive ways anymore.

If you want my vote give me a conservative Republican or die on the vine.

You're voting for Barrack Obama for president. I don't see how supporting the Democrats is a better choice, even from your point of view.

syntaxerrorsix
04-20-2012, 04:23
You're voting for Barrack Obama for president. I don't see how supporting the Democrats is a better choice, even from your point of view.


Call it anything you like. The Republican party did not give me a better option.

Very unfortunate.

walt cowan
04-20-2012, 06:47
Call it anything you like. The Republican party did not give me a better option.

Very unfortunate.

the rnc is stedfast in "come hell or high water, outright voter fraud and every underhanded trick in the book...it's mitts turn." blaming paul supporters for four more years of barry is like blaming the fire department for your house being on fire. stupid is, stupid does. :wavey:

syntaxerrorsix
04-20-2012, 20:42
the rnc is stedfast in "come hell or high water, outright voter fraud and every underhanded trick in the book...it's mitts turn." blaming paul supporters for four more years of barry is like blaming the fire department for your house being on fire. stupid is, stupid does. :wavey:

Well put :wavey:

juggy4711
04-20-2012, 21:06
The whole "not voting for Romney is a vote for Obama" mentality is so disgustingly disingenuous and pathetic. It's the reason we find ourselves in this situation.

aspartz
04-20-2012, 21:32
The Ronulans are helping Obama.
I don't like Romney, but he is the lesser of two evils.
Ron Paul is an old fool, but I would vote for him before Obama.
Ron Paul is dead in the water. There is no chance for him.
The establishment keeps telling us to hold our noses and vote for THEIR choice, a progressive big government moralist. When is it going to be their turn to hold their noses and vote for OUR choice, a true economic conservative?

Bottom line, if the GOP wants my vote, they will to find a candidate that I agree with on more than 50% of the issues.

ARS

certifiedfunds
04-21-2012, 08:01
The whole "not voting for Romney is a vote for Obama" mentality is so disgustingly disingenuous and pathetic. It's the reason we find ourselves in this situation.


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Glock30Eric
04-21-2012, 08:19
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04-21-2012, 08:22
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walt cowan
04-21-2012, 18:34
the crying of rnc will only get louder as we head into the covention. they unlike their blindfate supporters relized the game is over and are in damage control mode. now let me ask the question the rnc fears, when the delagates revolt and chose ron paul... WILL YOU VOTE FOR PAUL?

walt cowan
04-22-2012, 07:02
scary...huh?:rofl: