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nightwolf1974
04-18-2012, 15:16
Ok, I'm mothballing some tradable items for bartering in a post event time. NOT willing to give up food or ammo! So, I've been thinking Whiskey, Brandy, Vodka, Rum, ect. Someone will always want a drink. Thoughts?

mrmedina
04-18-2012, 15:28
It will be the staples first, salt,sugar,and flour. Then if things don't get better, ammo and/or guns. Later will be meds OTCs and RXs if are for pain or infection. There's lots more items I haven't touched on.........please add if needed.

DrSticky
04-18-2012, 15:47
Coffee
Chocolate

Bolster
04-18-2012, 15:50
So: is this correct, you're looking for barter items that are:

1 - inexpensive and available now
2 - easy to store (small compact)
3 - infinite storage life
4 - desirable and difficult to obtain later

... other parameters? How about

5 - useful now or will keep their value if there's no world-ending event

Alcohol gets 1 (tho can be expensive now) & 3, although certainly people will be making alcohol in short order so 4 is doubtful. Also, 5.

According to the recent "Last run to the store" thread, TP got very high on the list. It gets 1,3,4, 5.

Thinking about primitive societies and what they need. I'd think decent quality pocket knives would maybe rate all 5. Thats' one reason I allow myself a pocketknife collection.

Also bowls, jugs, food storage devices of all sorts...mason style canning jars...might rate all 5 if you use them. How about alcohol-making equipment?

I think there'd be a great need for tools of all sorts. Hand tools or manual powered would be safest. How many people would need a manual drill, plane, hand saw, or brace when there's no electricity? Some hand tools might rate all 5, although some of the old style manual tools, only 4.

Water filters, at least 4.

A treadle lathe would be worth its weight in gold, but fails on 2 & 5. You could become the local gunsmith (with lots of skill).

Fabric. A bolt of fleece-style cloth would be a good item to put away. Needles would suddenly be desirable, and difficult to make your own.

See this thread:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1361485&highlight=barter

Dexters
04-18-2012, 15:58
Ok, I'm mothballing some tradable items for bartering in a post event time. NOT willing to give up food or ammo! So, I've been thinking Whiskey, Brandy, Vodka, Rum, ect. Someone will always want a drink. Thoughts?

Do a search - this has been covered before.

FatBoy
04-18-2012, 16:01
Blondes, Brunettes, Red Heads all will do in a pinch. All go very well w/ Whiskey, Brandy, Vodka, Rum, etc.

samurairabbi
04-18-2012, 16:09
Ammo ... in "common" calibers. Something like 7.65Tokarev may have limited barter value in post-apocalyptic America.

Dexters
04-18-2012, 16:36
Ammo ... in "common" calibers. Something like 7.65Tokarev may have limited barter value in post-apocalyptic America.

So in a world without the rule of law you are going to expose yourself & sell ammo that the bad guys can then use against you - good plan.

samurairabbi
04-18-2012, 17:08
So in a world without the rule of law you are going to expose yourself & sell ammo that the bad guys can then use against you - good plan.

Perhaps not a good plan ... but a NECESSARY plan. If I am desperate for life-saving medicine, and a "bad guy" holding THAT medicine happens to badly need ammo, I would do the trade, and take my chances fighting him AFTER getting healthy again. That "bad guy" is more likely to need 9mm than 7.65Tokarev!

I would still have my "iron reserve" of full-power 10mm, M193/M855, and .22lr (for plinking small game) I would not have TOTALLY shafted myself by doing business with opponents.

Dexters
04-18-2012, 17:16
Perhaps not a good plan ... but a NECESSARY plan. If I am desperate for life-saving medicine, and a "bad guy" holding THAT medicine happens to badly need ammo, I would do the trade, and take my chances fighting him AFTER getting healthy again. That "bad guy" is more likely to need 9mm than 7.65Tokarev!

I would still have my "iron reserve" of full-power 10mm, M193/M855, and .22lr (for plinking small game) I would not have TOTALLY shafted myself by doing business with opponents.

If we're going that route:

Why not just trade the ammo to the guy with the armored car for a lift to the good guys with the medicine you need and avoid the bad guys.

The again, you might want to use one of your magic beans for the medicine you need.

samurairabbi
04-18-2012, 17:48
Why not just trade the ammo to the guy with the armored car for a lift to the good guys with the medicine you need and avoid the bad guys.

The again, you might want to use one of your magic beans for the medicine you need.

Because the guy with the armored car doesn't need ammo; he needs food to trade for gas to operate his car!

I remember an excellent MASH episode. The ENTIRE half-hour was Radar running around among units and groups make interlocking barter deals so he could end up with an item the 4077th operating room needed! Post-apocalyptic America would probably be comparable.

If my magic beans can cure typhoid, I just might be in good shape to do business with the rest of the "rabble".

Stevekozak
04-18-2012, 18:04
You have to listen to Dexters!! He always knows what he is talking about! If you don't believe me, just ask him, and he will tell you so......... :)

Bolster
04-18-2012, 18:16
The OP said he didn't want to sell ammo.

Can we get back on topic?

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/16-shtf-barter-items-to-stockpile_03152012

http://offgridsurvival.com/shtfbartering/

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=220932

cowboy1964
04-18-2012, 19:11
Whatever you choose hopefully you won't have to relocate because how are you going to schlep all of it with you?

Sam Spade
04-18-2012, 20:25
Clean water and electrical power. Maintain control of the production means and provide it as a service to the area. Maybe include a still into that mix.

cyrsequipment
04-18-2012, 20:30
You have to listen to Dexters!! He always knows what he is talking about! If you don't believe me, just ask him, and he will tell you so......... :)

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samurairabbi
04-18-2012, 20:45
You have to listen to Dexters!! He always knows what he is talking about! If you don't believe me, just ask him, and he will tell you so......... :)

Teamwork is important! In the rare events he does NOT know what he is talking about, I can cover the gaps in his expertise!

Dexters
04-18-2012, 20:49
"Amateurs talk about strategy, the experienced about logistics"

Let's think about this bartering thing. The SHTF and it is a WORL.

How will you find the other people you will barter with?

Are you going to go to a market? Leave your home with your barter items and go to a meeting place, barter and then skip all the way home? How will you safely get there and back? How will all the people you want to barter get there and back safely? (Convoy with air support?)

If there isn't a market; are you going to advertise/posters and have people come to your home?

How can you prevent people finding out you have stuff at you home?

Who will be defending your home while you are away? Who is watching your house while you are away?

Sure, if you live in a subdivision you could walk around to the neighbors you know but will they have things and if they do, do you need what they have.

How is all this bartering fit into operational security and the 'gray man concept'?


Think about it.

Dexters
04-18-2012, 20:52
Teamwork is important! In the rare events he does NOT know what he is talking about, I can cover the gaps in his expertise!

Don't fall asleep on me. And don't call MASH excellent - bunch of blowhards.

Chindo18Z
04-18-2012, 20:55
1. Antibiotics (Aquatic) :whistling:
2. Bar Soap
3. Batteries (Any)
4. Pedicure Kits (Tweezers, Scissors, Nail Clippers, Nail Files)
5. Steel Hand Files
6. Coffee (Any Type)
7. Butane BIC Lighters
8. Bleach (Pool Shock)
9. Chocolate (Syrup, Cocoa Powder, Candy)
10. Vodka
11. Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Naproxen
12. Antibiotic Salve (Bacitration, Neomycin, etc.)
13. Hydrocortisone Salve
14. Ora-Gel (or any tooth/gum remedy with Lidocaine)
15. Anti-Fungal Powder
16. Socks (Bulk)
17. Reading Glasses (Non Prescription)
18. Sunglasses (Cheap)
19. Multi-Vitamins
20. Tooth Brushes
21. Work Gloves / Nylon Snow Mittens / Watch Caps
22. Paperback Books
23. Tea Lights
24. Toothpaste
25. Condoms
26. Disposable Razors
27. Salt / Pepper / Spices (Any)
28. Sugar
29. Gold / Silver Chain (Junk Jewelry)
30. Common Weapons Magazines (1911, M9, Glock, AR, AK, 10-22)
31. Tobacco (Any Type)
32. Sewing Needles & Thread
33. Shoelaces
34. Pocket Knives / Sharpening Rods, Steels, or Stones
35. Bicycle Tire Tubes / Patch Kits / Bicycle Locks
36. Flea Collars / Flea Powder
37. Baby Formula / Diaper Rash Treatment
38. Paper / Pens / Pencils / Notebooks
39. Cold Medicine
40. Light Bulbs (Any Common Household Type)
41. Lice Treatment
42. Rubbing Alcohol
43. Small Flashlights / Headlamps (Cheap LED)
44. Adhesives (Duct/Electrical Tape, Shoe Goo, Super Glue)
45. Cosmetics (Perfume, Lip Stick, Eye Liner, etc.)
46. Scissors
47. Digital Watches (Cheap)
48. Solar Calculators
49. DEET Insect Repellent / Sunscreen
50. USB Flash Thumb Drives (encrypted if possible)


Some of these items are for the PAW...most are for Barter Town. There is always a Barter Town. Just as soon as local security is established for one. Flea/Produce Markets flourish in times of societal collapse...even in war zones.

It's an entrepreneurial activity. Somebody (a local warlord, mafioso, or "government official") sets up the venue, providing local security and dispute arbitration...for a cut of the profit or an admittance fee. Just as with casinos, drug houses, bars, and bordellos...the rule is "Don't Screw With The Paying Customers". Repeat business is profitable for all. Capitalism reduced to its core.

If you find yourself pushing a shopping cart down an ash-buried Road or having to fight mutant Road Warriors in the Australian desert...well, you've got a different set of problems. :upeyes:

samurairabbi
04-18-2012, 21:01
Don't fall asleep on me. And don't call MASH excellent - bunch of blowhards.

Okay, if you keep me stocked in No-Doz. And the seasons with Harry Morgan as Col. Potter were superb! The MacLain Stevenson seasons, less so.

Bolster
04-18-2012, 21:12
There is always a Barter Town. Flea/Produce Markets flourish in times of societal collapse...even in war zones.

Exactly. Only some extreme apocalyptic fantasy world would disallow a market. They pop up like weeds in even the most desolate, destitute, poorest countries. Where there are humans there will be markets and bazaars. The apocalypse will be much more dull and ordinary than some people hope. People will live as they've lived for thousands of years; it won't be a movie plot.

Take a step back from the edge, remove the knife you've got clenched between your teeth, and ponder a much more likely scenario: a society desperately trying to rebuild, and people needing to trade to get on with life.

That said, I'm not so sure I'm up for stocking barter items solely for the purpose of barter. I'd rather get myself duplicate and triplicate backups of important stuff, and then let it go as necessary. I don't think I'm the guy to make a huge buy of TP or needles on the off chance they might be barterables. I'd rather buy extras for my own use and let it go as needed.

Bolster
04-18-2012, 21:24
Materials to make a sun oven:

mirrors, mylar, windshield reflectors, glass, glue, aluminum foil, dark cooking pots.

Chindo18Z
04-18-2012, 21:32
I don't think I'm the guy to make a huge buy of TP or needles on the off chance they might be barterables. I'd rather buy extras for my own use.

If you stocked everything on my list, you'd need a peddler's wagon to haul it. Best to pick a few. The thing about having a variety of small items is that the items themselves are treated like small bills & change. They might be part of a larger deal and be used to sweeten the bargain.

Everyone should attend a flea market or two in their area (if they never have). It helps to get a feel for trading and haggling...which most folks are not comfortable doing. In tough times, the same transactions will be conducted, but for essentials instead of junk. Best to get some practice at the art of the trade...before you walk into a bazaar looking bewildered and desperate.

In a rebuild situation, the venue is essentially the same, but instead of folks casually looking for cheap nice-to-have deals or absurd collectibles...they are looking for specific items no longer readily available. As with all flea markets, vendors will find their niche...only the available or desired goods will change. Everyone will know the guy who maintains small electronic parts or does repair...the lady who has veterinary supplies...the guy who has firewood...the couple that has hand tools for sale...the folks that have fresh squash and peppers.

You need something. I have it. What d'ya got to trade? Most of the world still does this on a daily basis. Here in the modern West, we are used to simply picking the items off the shelf and move to the register to pay full tariff. It just requires an adjustment in thinking and an unleashing of the Inner Arab Trader inside all of us. :supergrin:

Trade (like water) seeks its own level. People are social critters and will adjust quickly to a new communal norm of conducting business. No man is an island and all that...

thesurefire
04-18-2012, 21:35
Who will be defending your home while you are away?

How is all this bartering fit into operational security and the 'gray man concept'?


I like the way you think. I think there will be 3 roughly defined periods in a major event pertaining to barter.

First there is the everyone running around like chickens with their head cut off, in which you could probably trade some comfort items such as booze and cigs for things more valuable to you. This will probably last from about 2-3 days in till maybe 2 weeks in.

At the two week mark people will realize collectively we're actually in trouble and things will get crazy. This is the period I'm most worried about. I would guess this period will last anywhere from a few months to a year or two. I'll try to blend in as much as possible, and otherwise avoid people. I think there's a possibility of small time local barter, but I doubt it will be much. There certainly wont be trading posts yet. During this time I expect a large percent of the ill prepared to die off.

Then after things have calmed down I think we will enter the rebuilding phase. Here is where I think barter would be useful. At this time I expect people will have banded together as small functional communities made up of competent trustworthy individuals. Packs of wolves make lots more sense than single lone wolfs.

At this level I think we'll see Jericho like barter, sending 2-4 people from a group of 40-100 to somewhere specific to trade for very specific goods or services from another region/community. The simple reality is before any sort of trading outpost can form people first have to group together in large enough groups that there's enough manpower to cover all the basics.

For example, they needed a very specific precisely machined part and didn't have the equipment to fabricate it. If you needed to trade at this time I postulate that the situation would have to be similar to make the risks worth it.

Most of what we've talked about has been for barter in the first phase. What about long term items?

What can you make that very few others have the knowledge or tools to produce? I'm not talking about sewing or shoes, I'm talking about fabricating copper pipe, or heat treating steel for armor plating, or even technical knowledge of something like network security. Those will be whats really in demand after a big event.

Those who needed extra pop tarts will have long died out by the time the people with serious resources think its safe to stick their head out and look around.

Dexters
04-19-2012, 09:26
I like the way you think. I think there will be 3 roughly defined periods in a major event pertaining to barter.

First there is the everyone running around like chickens with their head cut off, in which you could probably trade some comfort items such as booze and cigs for things more valuable to you. This will probably last from about 2-3 days in till maybe 2 weeks in.

At the two week mark people will realize collectively we're actually in trouble and things will get crazy. This is the period I'm most worried about. I would guess this period will last anywhere from a few months to a year or two. I'll try to blend in as much as possible, and otherwise avoid people. I think there's a possibility of small time local barter, but I doubt it will be much. There certainly wont be trading posts yet. During this time I expect a large percent of the ill prepared to die off.

Then after things have calmed down I think we will enter the rebuilding phase. Here is where I think barter would be useful. At this time I expect people will have banded together as small functional communities made up of competent trustworthy individuals. Packs of wolves make lots more sense than single lone wolfs.

At this level I think we'll see Jericho like barter, sending 2-4 people from a group of 40-100 to somewhere specific to trade for very specific goods or services from another region/community. The simple reality is before any sort of trading outpost can form people first have to group together in large enough groups that there's enough manpower to cover all the basics.

For example, they needed a very specific precisely machined part and didn't have the equipment to fabricate it. If you needed to trade at this time I postulate that the situation would have to be similar to make the risks worth it.

Most of what we've talked about has been for barter in the first phase. What about long term items?

What can you make that very few others have the knowledge or tools to produce? I'm not talking about sewing or shoes, I'm talking about fabricating copper pipe, or heat treating steel for armor plating, or even technical knowledge of something like network security. Those will be whats really in demand after a big event.

Those who needed extra pop tarts will have long died out by the time the people with serious resources think its safe to stick their head out and look around.

I like that you added the idea of perspective - time and evolution. Now, the final stage you mention might not happen.

Also, geography plays a part - where do you live - city, suburb, rural - safety and transportation.

Another part is the die off cycle - I wrote a post about that cycle.

Rule of law - current type or new type - plays a part.

I think some think they will meet up with others at a farmer's market outside the castle walls.

The people who say they will have multiple items of things they normally use probably have the best idea IF the opportunity to barter comes along. They can then check their inventory and see what they have extra of and what they could use.

Bolster
04-19-2012, 09:44
Most of what we've talked about has been for barter in the first phase. What about long term items?

This is a good question. On this list there's a definite "stock it" short-term bias, but at some point the stock runs out and you have to "repair it" or "make it," whether you:

- grow food in a garden
- desalinate water for drinking
- put a waterwheel on the river to get power
- herd the cattle
- run a wood mill or machine shop

...and so on. Then the question is, how far down do you expect society will be demolished? Different assumptions to this question is what fuels many arguments on this list.

It's the "1 month" vs "1 year" vs "indefinite" preppers, and they all come up with different answers. A "1 month" prepper would never dream of stocking a manual lathe, but an "indefinite" surely would.

TangoFoxtrot
04-20-2012, 05:11
Here is my list of tradable items post event. Depending on duration and what the event is.

1. Food
2. Water
3. Alcohol (Beer, Whiskey, Any)
4. Guns and ammo
5. Perscription Meds. and first aid supplies
6. Gold and silver
7. Gasoline, propane, diesel, and kerosene
8. Communications Equipment
9. Weed :whistling:

I'm sure there is more but these are my top ones.

nightwolf1974
04-20-2012, 21:29
The only reason I'm thinking this way, is the booze will trade for if a family member that needs something I may not have enough of or any at all. And since the Barter system predates currency and has been a fixed asset in trouble spots during just about every war or conflict in human history, it would be foolish not to consider it. And like I say, not parting with ammo, tools, food, guns, or my Trojans.

PlasticGuy
04-20-2012, 22:05
#1 has got to be booze. It is one of very few luxury items that always INCREASES in demand during hard times. You're not giving the individual anything that they can use against you in the future, which is obviously good, and when it's gone they are likely to come back with other trade offers to get more. Better than gold.

Bolster
04-20-2012, 22:11
#1 has got to be booze. It is one of very few luxury items that always INCREASES in demand during hard times. ... Better than gold.

If that's true, then why not stock up on booze-making supplies? I don't know anything about distilling alcohol, but they were doing it all over the place in the 1920s-30s, right?

http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-distill-your-own-alcohol-278066/

Think of it...this woman, Julia Nolan, can make either alcohol OR explosives! Is she a prepper's dream, or what? This is how ALL chemical engineers should look and dress. I had some difficulty concentrating on what she was saying.

http://img.wonderhowto.com/screengrabs/633912226581151652.jpg

Note to guy in video: Shut up and let the lady explain, ya big doofus.

bdcochran
04-20-2012, 22:16
Ok. Shtf. The time frame is indefinite.

1. think about the resources that you need to survive 30-60-90 days.
2. consider what will be happening around you in 30-60-90 days.

Civilization is only about 5 missed meals away from breaking down. So, if shtf, what is going to be happening around you in the first 3 days, the first week, by the end of the second week? You have people dying of thirst, hunger, bad water.

The surefire is correct - probably no trading or bartering until things settle down.

People will coalesce into groups, with a division of labor. Ultimately, there will come a rebuilding stage. Sure, you will need items like vitamins, medical supplies. However, in the rebuilding stage, you will need tools - ranging from simple hand tools to complex electric driven power tools and sophisticated machinery. This is why I have bought and stored a bunch of used, tsa seized SOG, leatherman, Gerber multi tools. They are durable, cheap, universally needed. That drill press, generator, air impact wrench, cordless tool will become prized possessions. A sledge hammer, hydrolic jack, common nails, screw assortment will become valuable.

You can barter tools or barter access to them or barter your time using the tools you have saved.

kirgi08
04-20-2012, 22:51
Be prepared ta survive without the need ta barter for things.It takes planning,but is quite feasible.'08.

nightwolf1974
04-21-2012, 06:11
Be prepared ta survive without the need ta barter for things.It takes planning,but is quite feasible.'08.

True! BUT, there is always the unexpected.

racerford
04-21-2012, 07:21
I am inclined to barter addictive products (alcohol, cigarettes, etc.) as while they can be "good as gold" they also set you up to be robbed by desparate people. I like the idea of bartering things like tools, books, fasteners (nails, screws, etc), basic medical suplies like bandages and antibiotic creams, soap, toothbrushes. Skills are best because they are renewable and they are hard to steal, and if they kill you they will not get them either.

Just my thoughts.

Stevekozak
04-21-2012, 07:47
I am inclined to barter addictive products (alcohol, cigarettes, etc.) as while they can be "good as gold" they also set you up to be robbed by desparate people. I like the idea of bartering things like tools, books, fasteners (nails, screws, etc), basic medical suplies like bandages and antibiotic creams, soap, toothbrushes. Skills are best because they are renewable and they are hard to steal, and if they kill you they will not get them either.

Just my thoughts.
How long do cigaretes keep? I know they can go stale after awhile. Tobacco is a replenishable resource, and really not that hard to grow. My grandfather grew for his own personal use up through his death (non-tobacco related). I think fasteners, as you mention, will be an item often overlooked that will be invaluable in a long-term (or even short to medium term ) SHTF event.

Rooster Rugburn
04-21-2012, 19:27
So in a world without the rule of law you are going to expose yourself & sell ammo that the bad guys can then use against you - good plan.

The voice of reason.

I read on a survival forum years ago that in post WWII Europe, gold and silver wouldn't get you anything. Soap would get you everything.

For barter goods, think hygiene and first aid. You let a bunch of addicts\people know you have booze, cigarettes, or anything addictive, and you have problems.

Booze stocks are for recreation, not barter.

Guns and ammo for barter create enemies who know you have preps, and now have the means of taking what you have. I've never understood why people would want to arm strangers in such an event.

Forget about generators too. When you are the only house on the block with TV, radio, and communications, everyone will know it, and you will have to fight to keep it. Tough guys think that isn't a problem. Smart people don't want the hassle.

PlasticGuy
04-22-2012, 06:46
If that's true, then why not stock up on booze-making supplies? I don't know anything about distilling alcohol, but they were doing it all over the place in the 1920s-30s, right?
Two reasons. First, the supplies to make booze take up a lot more space than the finished product. Second, converting food grade grain into alcohol after bad times start would be foolish.

Bolster
04-22-2012, 09:13
Two reasons. First, the supplies to make booze take up a lot more space than the finished product. Second, converting food grade grain into alcohol after bad times start would be foolish.

I got "foolish" again! Woo-hoo! I'm collecting these, you know.

If you watched the video I linked, you'd see booze-making supplies are minimal. Second, you don't have to use grain, you can use pretty much any source that has some sugars in it.

Whether it's foolish to make hooch out of food depends on what someone's willing to trade for hooch. We're talking about barter, remember? People won't suddenly become super-rational just because food supplies are low.

kirgi08
04-22-2012, 11:02
Cost ta produce.Would yer preps be better for booze or food.'08. :dunno:

bdcochran
04-22-2012, 13:30
Nightwolf1974: This is for you and all who consider stocking items for barter.

Think 30-60-90 days of your own survival and what is needed.

1. can you have a single light at night every night for 30-60-90 days? Or do you want to give up command of the night? A simple UCO single candle lantern, 9 hour candles and 9 hour mosquito candles can fill the bill.
2. do you have the ability or resource to provide every member of your family with 5 gallons of clean water a day for 30-60-90 days. Or, do you want to address the challenge only after shtf?
3. once you identify what you need to survive 30-60-90 days, you can surmise that the unprepared need that item X as well. Just buy more of the same.

You have read the comments about storing ammunition, liquor and tobacco products for barter.:wow: The more mundane things like needles, thread, paper plates, plastic forks, nails, leathermen tools, small tools aren't as "sexy", but cause you to run less risk of someone taking barter items without paying.:faint:

Happypuppy
04-22-2012, 14:36
Drugs. Insulin for diabetics, High Blood pressure Meds etc. Many farm supply businesses sell veterinary Meds such as antibiotics not bad to pick some up


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Bolster
04-22-2012, 15:30
Screws.

In particular, drywall screws.

Everybody will be needing them for rebuilding or buttressing.

Bolster
04-22-2012, 15:33
Cost ta produce.Would yer preps be better for booze or food.'08. :dunno:

Topic. Of. Thread. = Barter items.

Not personal preps.

Foxtrotx1
04-22-2012, 15:34
Women??

quake
04-22-2012, 17:23
Women??
There's bound to be lower-maintenance options... :cool:

Arc Angel
04-22-2012, 17:37
1. Ammunition,
2. Firearms,
3. First aid supplies,
4. Candles,
5. Matches,
6. Bleach,
7. Kerosene,
8. Seeds for cultivation,
9. Small transistor radios and batteries,
10. Rottweilers, Pit Bulldogs, and horses.

kirgi08
04-23-2012, 08:13
Topic. Of. Thread. = Barter items.

Not personal preps.

My point is barter is risky.Defined point/time ect.'08.

G29Reload
04-23-2012, 12:08
Ok, I'm mothballing some tradable items for bartering in a post event time. NOT willing to give up food or ammo! So, I've been thinking Whiskey, Brandy, Vodka, Rum, ect. Someone will always want a drink. Thoughts?

Yep. This.

No shortage of desire.
Infinite shelf life.

I do this. Have sealed bottles for trade.


And plenty for just me. :supergrin:

mgentry
04-23-2012, 13:40
Silver coins, ammo, mags, and veggie seeds. After that anything that people can't get easily - which will be a lot of stuff to include any kind of food.

Sam Spade
04-23-2012, 14:03
I got "foolish" again! Woo-hoo! I'm collecting these, you know.

If you watched the video I linked, you'd see booze-making supplies are minimal. Second, you don't have to use grain, you can use pretty much any source that has some sugars in it.

Whether it's foolish to make hooch out of food depends on what someone's willing to trade for hooch. We're talking about barter, remember? People won't suddenly become super-rational just because food supplies are low.

Bolster gets it. Like I said: Be able to provide for local needs, but maintain control of the production capacity. If all you're doing is trading off your limited stock, the pool's gonna run dry. But the guy who makes the clean water, or the booze, or recharges people's batteries can keep going.

Dan in MA
04-23-2012, 14:41
This article was really well thought out IMHO.
http://survivalblog.com/2011/12/barter-post-teotwawki-the-micr.html

bdcochran
04-24-2012, 22:17
Thank you Dan. I ordered more mantles for the propane lantern.