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Jonesee
04-29-2012, 18:00
Just that.

I've read a lot of posts this year that call fiscal or socially moderate Republicans everything from facists to nazis, to kooks.

Has the party gotten so intolerant that moderates are no longer wanted, needed or appreciated?

Just an observation.

The Machinist
04-29-2012, 18:04
The party has nothing but moderates and progressives infesting it. Conservatives and constitutionalists are the ones no longer tolerated.

cyrsequipment
04-29-2012, 18:12
Just that.

I've read a lot of posts this year that call fiscal or socially moderate Republicans everything from facists to nazis, to kooks.

Has the party gotten so intolerant that moderates are no longer wanted, needed or appreciated?

Just an observation.

What??? Where do you learn about the Republican Party, msnbc?

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Jonesee
04-29-2012, 18:22
What??? Where do you learn about the Republican Party, msnbc?

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You just made my point better than I could have.

I am guessing I was voting GOP before you were on this earth. Hopefully in those decades I've learned a little. I've seen it evolve more in the last 10 years than the rest of time all together.

JBnTX
04-29-2012, 18:22
The party has nothing but moderates and progressives infesting it. Conservatives and constitutionalists are the ones no longer tolerated.


Very true, but the republican party, even with all it's flaws, is still the home of conservatism and the best chance for defeating a socialist Obama.

And it will change back to a more conservative party as more and more TEA party candidates get elected.

Things run in cycles, and you'll see the republican party wave the conservative banner once again.

You just got to have a little faith.

callihan_44
04-29-2012, 18:44
“I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. It left me.”-REAGAN



This is how I feel about the repubs.

barbedwiresmile
04-29-2012, 19:06
A more apt question might be: "Is there room for conservatives?"

juggy4711
04-29-2012, 20:33
Very true, but the republican party, even with all it's flaws, is still the home of conservatism and the best chance for defeating a socialist Obama.

And it will change back to a more conservative party as more and more TEA party candidates get elected.

Things run in cycles, and you'll see the republican party wave the conservative banner once again.

You just got to have a little faith.

Are you supporting a political philosophy or a sport's team?

Ruble Noon
04-29-2012, 20:37
A more apt question might be: "Is there room for conservatives?"

Very little.

walt cowan
04-30-2012, 06:43
the gop is infested with moderates, neo-cons and other slack jawed marxist.

evlbruce
04-30-2012, 08:15
No there isn't room for moderates: The party already has it's Grahams, Snowes, McConnells, Boehners, Lugars, Romneys, and Murkowskis and has no conceivable need for any more.

snerd
04-30-2012, 08:35
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Gundude
04-30-2012, 08:39
Just that.

I've read a lot of posts this year that call fiscal or socially moderate Republicans everything from facists to nazis, to kooks.

Has the party gotten so intolerant that moderates are no longer wanted, needed or appreciated?

Just an observation.What's a fiscally moderate Republican? Somebody halfway between GWB and Ron Paul? Who qualifies as that, and what names were they called?

RC-RAMIE
04-30-2012, 08:47
"The debate in the Republican Party needs to be between libertarians and conservatives, that's what our party needs to be about. There's no longer room for moderates and liberals because we don't have any money to spend, so I don't want to be debating with anyone who wants to grow government." Jim DeMint.

teumessian_fox
04-30-2012, 08:51
Just that.

I've read a lot of posts this year that call fiscal or socially moderate Republicans everything from facists to nazis, to kooks.

Has the party gotten so intolerant that moderates are no longer wanted, needed or appreciated?

Just an observation.

That's a ludicrous assertion. Every Republican president since Reagan has been liberal. Down to and including George (Open Borders and Big Government) Bush.

Our last candidate for the presidency (McLame) was liberal.

Our next candidate doubtless will be also.

I feel it is conservatives who no longer have a home in the Republican party. When you have voters who have to hold their nose to vote, and who vote simply to defeat the DemonRats, then you've got a problem.

frank4570
04-30-2012, 09:25
Moderates?????? Have you heard of Mitt Romney?

syntaxerrorsix
04-30-2012, 17:57
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Gunnut 45/454
04-30-2012, 19:20
Jonesee
Are you a Moderate or a closet liberal? What is your position on Gay marriage? Gun control? Social programs, do you believe in the COTUS as written? Do you like Big Government? Did you agree with Obamamoa's bailout's, trillion dollar dept? Please tell us what does a "Moderate" believe in.:upeyes:

greentriple
04-30-2012, 19:37
Well, is there room for moderates on Glock Talk?


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NH Trucker
04-30-2012, 19:41
Jonesee
Are you a Moderate or a closet liberal? What is your position on Gay marriage? Gun control? Social programs, do you believe in the COTUS as written? Do you like Big Government? Did you agree with Obamamoa's bailout's, trillion dollar dept? Please tell us what does a "Moderate" believe in.:upeyes:


My guess is a "moderate":

-Doesn't care one way or another about gay marriage, but would view it as protected under the equal protections clause of the 14th amendment if he HAD to have an opinion on the matter.
-Is Pro 2nd Amendment, against gun control.
-Is for downsizing social programs, putting limitations on welfare/govt. assistance etc.
-Believes in the Constitution, as stated previously, and recognizes it to be what all laws in the country need to be held applicable to, regardless of his own ideological views based around various reasons, including religion.
-Against big government. Especially government's habit of trying to micromanage peoples lives (see marriage, gun control, social programs).
-Against corporate bailouts (see previous statement about micromanaging).


At least those are my views, and I tend to consider myself a "moderate" conservative.


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The Maggy
04-30-2012, 19:47
Very true, but the republican party, even with all it's flaws, is still the home of conservatism and the best chance for defeating a socialist Obama.

And it will change back to a more conservative party as more and more TEA party candidates get elected.

Things run in cycles, and you'll see the republican party wave the conservative banner once again.

You just got to have a little faith.

The tea party was a novel idea that failed. Yeah, it was nice in the 2010 election yet here we are in 2012, with Romney as the GOP's front runner.

Gunnut 45/454
04-30-2012, 21:10
NH Trucker
I see you add the word Conservative to your leaning, which the OP didn't and thats the difference. And by your answer you'd be more Conservative then Moderate. Moderates feel the need to comprimise with the left - Conservatives don't. Moderates feel it's ok to side with the left -Conservatives don't! We've seen what compromising our positions get -more compromising to the left which has gotten to where we are today. We compromised on Gun Control in 94, We compromised on Social Security in the 60's, We compromised on immigration in the 80's etc. Compromise has done nothing but move us closer to the Socialist state the left wants. It's time to move us back to being the Republic we were and need to be.

Stubudd
04-30-2012, 23:11
Very true, but the republican party, even with all it's flaws, is still the home of conservatism and the best chance for defeating a socialist Obama.

And it will change back to a more conservative party as more and more TEA party candidates get elected.

Things run in cycles, and you'll see the republican party wave the conservative banner once again.

You just got to have a little faith.

:rofl::faint:

snerd
05-01-2012, 01:26
:rofl::faint:
I'm scared that I'm agreeing with you lately.

Lowjiber
05-01-2012, 06:11
...Has the party gotten so intolerant that moderates are no longer wanted, needed or appreciated?

Yes. Thanks largely to the Tea Party kooks.

frank4570
05-01-2012, 06:23
Yes. Thanks largely to the Tea Party kooks.

The republicans have moved so far to the left/liberal/moderate that conservatives are now seen as kooks.

greentriple
05-01-2012, 08:25
A kook is a kook regardless of politics. The Teabag Party just has more than others and they are vocal and indignant.


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snerd
05-01-2012, 09:40
A kook is a kook regardless of politics......
Amen, brother!


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snerd
05-01-2012, 09:45
Kooks and more kooks.


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Fred Hansen
05-01-2012, 09:59
Is There Room For Moderates In The GOP?Hell no! That's why they keep nominating uncompromising hardcore conservatives like Maverick McCain, and Massachew****s Mittens.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :upeyes:

SouthpawShooter
05-01-2012, 10:14
My guess is a "moderate":

-Doesn't care one way or another about gay marriage, but would view it as protected under the equal protections clause of the 14th amendment if he HAD to have an opinion on the matter.
-Is Pro 2nd Amendment, against gun control.
-Is for downsizing social programs, putting limitations on welfare/govt. assistance etc.
-Believes in the Constitution, as stated previously, and recognizes it to be what all laws in the country need to be held applicable to, regardless of his own ideological views based around various reasons, including religion.
-Against big government. Especially government's habit of trying to micromanage peoples lives (see marriage, gun control, social programs).
-Against corporate bailouts (see previous statement about micromanaging).


At least those are my views, and I tend to consider myself a "moderate" conservative.



This post nails it for me.

I've always described my politics as "fiscal conservative, social moderate". Meaning I want gov't out of my life and my bank account as much as possible.

I don't want a "war on porn", and I don't care about gay marriage, and I want less spending on social programs that don't work.

What I find laughable, are the idiots who called statists like Santorum a conservative. Give me a break. He's another big spender who can't stop thinking about gays and porn.

I'm also tired of the "single issue republicans" who are usually only concerned about a candidates views on abortion, as if that's the biggest issue our country faces. Worry about that after we get our debt and spending in order.

It's all one big mental jagoff now anyway. This beautiful country is on the decline. I don't know if we can ever get back on track. Oh well, was great while it lasted. :crying:

brickboy240
05-01-2012, 11:05
Anyone that thinks that the Tea Party runs the GOP is delusional or has drunk big media's Kool-Aid. If the Tea Party ran the GOP....we would have NEVER seen candidates like McCain, Romney or Santorum. I'd add Gingrich in there as well. Ron Paul and other more Libertarian leaning candidates would be well out of single digits in every primary.

The GOP/RNC used the Tea Party in the mid term elections, then kicked it to the curb when it's usefulness expired. Listen to Karl Rove and Bill Kristol....do they SOUND like they even remotely like the Tea Party movement?

The GOP is chock full of squishy moderate country clubbers and religious tyrants. That is really all they have left. The truly conservative types that want less spending, smaller govt and the deficit gone, have left the party for the most part.

The big whigs that pull the strings at RNC HQ are perfectly happy being a minority party that does not lead or make the hard decisions that really have to be made if we want to save America. They like big govt and over-spending...don't kid yourselves.

The RNC biggies just SAY they are conservative to win elections but their actions and their presidential candidates say something entirely different.

You could say that the over population of moderates in the GOP actually spawned the whole Tea Party movement.

Most truly conservative people think the religious nuts and moderates have ruined the GOP.

- brickboy240

Flying-Dutchman
05-01-2012, 11:14
Has the party gotten so intolerant that moderates are no longer wanted, needed or appreciated?

Could you summarize the key differences between a moderate Republican and conservative Republican?

frank4570
05-01-2012, 11:26
You could say that the over population of moderates in the GOP actually spawned the whole Tea Party movement.

Most truly conservative people think the religious nuts and moderates have ruined the GOP.

- brickboy240

It seems the republican party likes to have the votes of the religious kooks. Those votes aren't free.

teumessian_fox
05-01-2012, 12:10
It seems the republican party likes to have the votes of the religious kooks. Those votes aren't free.

And the demonRAts like the votes of the baby murderers, perverts (homos), open borders trash, give-blacks-what-they-want-so-we-can-get-the-ghetto-vote, etc.

I'll stick with those who have Faith.

Why don't you go back to Democratic Underground?

frank4570
05-01-2012, 12:16
And the demonRAts like the votes of the baby murderers, perverts (homos), open borders trash, give-blacks-what-they-want-so-we-can-get-the-ghetto-vote, etc.

I'll stick with those who have Faith.

Why don't you go back to Democratic Underground?

Why don't you just admit you want your church to have power over the constitution?

teumessian_fox
05-01-2012, 12:34
Why don't you just admit you want your church to have power over the constitution?

First, you're ignorant of the meaning of "church."

Second, morality is an absolute independent of the Constitution.

Try to stay on topic.

frank4570
05-01-2012, 12:40
First, you're ignorant of the meaning of "church."

Second, morality is an absolute independent of the Constitution.

Try to stay on topic.

Then stop messing around and admit that you want our government to enforce the moral beliefs of the christian religion on the whole country.

teumessian_fox
05-01-2012, 12:46
Then stop messing around and admit that you want our government to enforce the moral beliefs of the christian religion on the whole country.

I'm not messing around. And you're still off topic because you've got an obvious chip on your shoulder.

I'm saying morality and ethics should be enforced and imposed absolutely.

These concepts didn't originate with Christianity.

Dunno what your agenda is but it's clouding your logic.

frank4570
05-01-2012, 17:02
I'm not messing around. And you're still off topic because you've got an obvious chip on your shoulder.

I'm saying morality and ethics should be enforced and imposed absolutely.

These concepts didn't originate with Christianity.

Dunno what your agenda is but it's clouding your logic.

So you want republicans to force your morals on americans. I guess the liberal fanatics are exactly spot on about the republicans. Of course the liberal fanatics agree that THEIR morals should be forced on the american people. Free healthcare and such.

Shame there is no party interested in american values or the constitution.

syntaxerrorsix
05-01-2012, 17:12
So you want republicans to force your morals on americans. I guess the liberal fanatics are exactly spot on about the republicans. Of course the liberal fanatics agree that THEIR morals should be forced on the american people. Free healthcare and such.

Shame there is no party interested in american values or the constitution.


Oh no, there are.

They are just represented by folks who's primary constituents are either dependent on government money or find life in general easier by electing folks that circumvent the COTUS for personal gain.

It isn't going to change. Prepare for it.

Ruble Noon
05-01-2012, 17:17
I'm not messing around. And you're still off topic because you've got an obvious chip on your shoulder.

I'm saying morality and ethics should be enforced and imposed absolutely.

These concepts didn't originate with Christianity.

Dunno what your agenda is but it's clouding your logic.

Sounds like a statist. How far are you willing to go to enforce morality? Santorum and his ass police? Is that far enough? Too far?

The Maggy
05-01-2012, 17:49
I'm not messing around. And you're still off topic because you've got an obvious chip on your shoulder.

I'm saying morality and ethics should be enforced and imposed absolutely.

These concepts didn't originate with Christianity.

Dunno what your agenda is but it's clouding your logic.

Out of curiosity, who's morals do you want to be imposed on this country?

Silver_Bullet_00
05-01-2012, 17:59
The party has nothing but moderates and progressives infesting it. Conservatives and constitutionalists are the ones no longer tolerated.

Agree! +1

teumessian_fox
05-01-2012, 18:51
Out of curiosity, who's morals do you want to be imposed on this country?

Actually, it's whose, not who's.

We knew this was going to happen as far back as the early 1970s. Because of moral relativism and secular humanism imposed upon American culture in the 50s and 60s, we knew that at some point there would be a generation which, when asked about "morals," would have no idea what was being discussed.

It's one of those things that, if I have to explain, you just won't get it.

The Machinist
05-01-2012, 18:59
Actually, it's whose, not who's.

We knew this was going to happen as far back as the early 1970s. Because of moral relativism and secular humanism imposed upon American culture in the 50s and 60s, we knew that at some point there would be a generation which, when asked about "morals," would have no idea what was being discussed.

It's one of those things that, if I have to explain, you just won't get it.
I get exactly what you're saying. However, teaching morality is a responsibility best left to parents and churches. The government should not and cannot impose their version of morality on the citizenry.

syntaxerrorsix
05-01-2012, 19:02
I get exactly what you're saying. However, teaching morality is a responsibility best left to parents and churches. The government should not and cannot impose their version of morality on the citizenry.

Exactly.

lancesorbenson
05-01-2012, 19:12
A kook is a kook regardless of politics. The Teabag Party just has more than others and they are vocal and indignant.


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Wow. I guess it's still cool among your crowd to use the term teabag. You're so cool and with it man. Seriously.

frank4570
05-01-2012, 19:13
It's one of those things that, if I have to explain, you just won't get it.

I've seen the list of morality violations. It includes: race mixing, wearing real fur, supporting banks, keeping meat and vegetables in the same refrigerator, testing chemicals on animals, tattoos, driving a car on tuesdays, and polyandrous relationships

chickenwing
05-01-2012, 19:14
I get exactly what you're saying. However, teaching morality is a responsibility best left to parents and churches. The government should not and cannot impose their version of morality on the citizenry.

Well said.

Flying-Dutchman
05-01-2012, 19:24
Could you summarize the key differences between a moderate Republican and conservative Republican?
OK, no answer….:upeyes:

How about…..What is the difference between a moderate Republican and a Liberal (Democrat)?

This is the problem. There is no difference.

No one wants to vote for a Republican lite when they can have the real thing (Democrat).

The Republicans had better offer a real alternative to the Democrats or they will go the way of the Whigs.

The Maggy
05-01-2012, 19:44
Actually, it's whose, not who's.

We knew this was going to happen as far back as the early 1970s. Because of moral relativism and secular humanism imposed upon American culture in the 50s and 60s, we knew that at some point there would be a generation which, when asked about "morals," would have no idea what was being discussed.

It's one of those things that, if I have to explain, you just won't get it.

No, please, explain it.

Ruble Noon
05-01-2012, 19:57
I get exactly what you're saying. However, teaching morality is a responsibility best left to parents and churches. The government should not and cannot impose their version of morality on the citizenry.

Statists disagree.

The Machinist
05-01-2012, 20:03
Statists disagree.
I used to be one of them. You guys don't even know how programmed I was! :wow:

Ruble Noon
05-01-2012, 20:06
I used to be one of them. You guys don't even know how programmed I was! :wow:

It's amazing how clear things are once you start thinking outside the box.

callihan_44
05-01-2012, 20:24
A kook is a kook regardless of politics. The Teabag Party just has more than others and they are vocal and indignant.


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How the hell would you know what the make up of the teaPARTY is? I seriously doubt you've ever been to a gathering or even heard the message spoken at these events. The ones I have encountered are MAJORITY citizens that VOTE -seniors-vets- people bring their kids(this is nothing like an OWS event with broken windows and tear gas). Less government-stop spending future generations into debt beyond what they will ever pay- pro constitution.... yeah that sounds f_cking extreme to me :upeyes:

frank4570
05-02-2012, 15:23
It's amazing how clear things are once you start thinking outside the box.

I'm constantly learning, always amazed to find out how much I don't know.

Ruble Noon
05-02-2012, 15:39
I'm constantly learning, always amazed to find out how much I don't know.

A smart man realizes how much he has to learn.

series1811
05-02-2012, 15:44
You just made my point better than I could have.

I am guessing I was voting GOP before you were on this earth. Hopefully in those decades I've learned a little. I've seen it evolve more in the last 10 years than the rest of time all together.

Well, I am 54 and consider myself a lifelong Repub, and to me, the Republican Party is more moderate right now, than I can remember in my lifetime.

series1811
05-02-2012, 15:46
A kook is a kook regardless of politics. The Teabag Party just has more than others and they are vocal and indignant.


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Yeah, reeling in federal spending is a really kooky idea. Let's just print more money instead. That's lots less kooky.

certifiedfunds
05-02-2012, 16:32
No such thing as a fiscal conservative, social moderate, who respects the constitution.

Anyone who respects the constitution knows that the federal government HAS NO ROLE in things "social"

certifiedfunds
05-02-2012, 16:34
A kook is a kook regardless of politics. The Teabag Party just has more than others and they are vocal and indignant.


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The D-bag party has a plethora of kooks.

After all one must be a kook to believe the things the left believes.

......well that and really bad in math

snerd
05-03-2012, 16:40
No such thing as a fiscal conservative, social moderate, who respects the constitution.

Anyone who respects the constitution knows that the federal government HAS NO ROLE in things "social"
It took me a long time to realize that. But now that I do, I'm called a paul bot. :supergrin:

bobthellama42
05-03-2012, 17:07
Just that.

I've read a lot of posts this year that call fiscal or socially moderate Republicans everything from facists to nazis, to kooks.

Has the party gotten so intolerant that moderates are no longer wanted, needed or appreciated?

Just an observation.

Moderate in regards to what? By moderate, do you mean fiscally moderate so that only a generation or two are born into debt slavery instead of the entirety of our progeny? Or do you mean a person with no real convictions or beliefs?

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." ~ Barry Goldwater

Ruble Noon
05-03-2012, 17:31
Moderate in regards to what? By moderate, do you mean fiscally moderate so that only a generation or two are born into debt slavery instead of the entirety of our progeny? Or do you mean a person with no real convictions or beliefs?

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." ~ Barry Goldwater

:rock:

TankerMax
05-03-2012, 17:57
I love these topics. I love when people who claim to be tolerant call others, whose ideas and beliefs differ from their own, all sorts of disgusting names. Those are usually the folks who are offended when others call them names.

I don't argue social issues. I believe however social issues are the ones which drive the spending bus, and spending/debt is the greatest danger to America and our continued prosperity and freedom. Government needs to limit spending to a % of GDP, then they need to prioritize spending, and when they run out of money whatever programs haven't been allocated funds can be considered as a non priority.

Government doesn't own my hard work and as such has no claim on my money. I don't want to pay more taxes on my capital gains income or my salary income until those who live off what I and others currently pay now, themselves pay something.

I'm for the party that really understands we cannot continue to run 1 trillion dollar deficits.

I want my government to understand it should have less effect on my life than it currently does. The constitution doesn't limit what I can do, it limits what GOVERNMENT can do. I want the government to repeal any law that doesn't have its authority granted by the constitution.

I want my government to secure the borders so drugs, terrorists, and untold millions of unknown people aren't coming into the country unchecked.

I will let you all argue if I am a Tea Party member, a Moderate, a Conservative, a Statist, a kook, a Constitutionalist or any other descriptor you can conceive.

greentriple
05-03-2012, 20:25
Tanker, whatever u r, u r honest and un insulting.


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certifiedfunds
05-03-2012, 22:49
Tanker, whatever u r, u r honest and un insulting.


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Unlike you?


Originally Posted by greentriple http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18913596#post18913596)
A kook is a kook regardless of politics. The Teabag Party just has more than others and they are vocal and indignant.

beforeobamabans
05-05-2012, 03:41
Could you summarize the key differences between a moderate Republican and conservative Republican?

Rush said it best:

"A Moderate is defined as one without principles."