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DWentz744
05-01-2012, 07:32
Got it yesterday... I attempted to load it today as I was going to qualify with it at our range. It will not feed ammo (see pics). One mag would seem like a spring... right? All four???

Unfired gun.
4 new SA and Kimber mags
Speer Gold Dot 230gr.

Nice.:steamed:

cyrsequipment
05-01-2012, 08:14
Is it a ramped barrel?

MD357
05-01-2012, 08:36
Not sure what you are saying if it's all four mags? If so, then I would guess the extractor has too much tension and it's causing the round to nosedive.

Noles26
05-01-2012, 08:55
You have .45 acp not .45 gap right?

DWentz744
05-01-2012, 08:55
Not a ramped barrel.

Yes, happening with all four mags.

MD357
05-01-2012, 09:04
Not a ramped barrel.

Yes, happening with all four mags.

Then it's highly unlikely it's a mag problem.

Do you know how to check extractor tension? Most likely the hook is too tight and not allowing the rim of the cartridge to slide along the breechface. Just a guess.

DWentz744
05-01-2012, 09:13
MD, I'm certain you're right as that totally makes sense to me. Although I have no idea how to check or adjust it. I'm guessing too much "adjustment" is going to cause a different problem. Correct? Thanks for your help on this BTW.

tnhawk
05-01-2012, 09:38
Got it yesterday...4 new SA and Kimber mags....

I usually load new mags and leave them overnight before using them.

itstime
05-01-2012, 09:42
Sounds like an extractor too tight. Go to YouTube. LOok at the videos and do it yourself. I did. Nuff said. I bought a Kimber and it did the same thing. Not as bad as yours but i knew nothing abou it and did it myself in like ten minutes

faawrenchbndr
05-01-2012, 10:50
Sounds like an extractor adjustment is needed, too tight.
Tons of videos,........

How to check:

Wilson Combat - Checking the Extractor Tension in your 1911 - YouTube



How to adjust:

1911: Extractor Tension and Adjustment - YouTube

MD357
05-01-2012, 10:52
MD, I'm certain you're right as that totally makes sense to me. Although I have no idea how to check or adjust it. I'm guessing too much "adjustment" is going to cause a different problem. Correct? Thanks for your help on this BTW.

I'm not at home so I can't provide a link but like itstime said, head to youtube, there are number of videos on the subject, not to mention if you google it, someone will have a good read/diagram on the subject. It's something you will need to learn anyways for basic maintenance.

Edit: Thanks FAA.

DWentz744
05-01-2012, 11:12
Thanks guys :cool:

Bren
05-01-2012, 11:32
My homemade 1911 started with a Springfield Armory slide, frame and extractor. The extractor is likely the reason the last guy dumped it. Wouldn't feed worth crap. It was easy to fix, but hard to believe such crap left a factory. Only 1911 I have ever had with such an issue (but it helped me get the upper half cheap for my project).

faawrenchbndr
05-01-2012, 13:58
....... Thanks FAA.



I got your back Brother! :thumbsup:

3rdgen40
05-01-2012, 15:45
How are you attempting to chamber a round? Try locking back the slide,then insert a mag and sling shot the slide.If you ride the slide even a little, a stiff new 1911 will fail to feed,especially with hollow points.Run a few hundred rounds of ball ammo through it,then try hollow points again.

ca survivor
05-01-2012, 18:08
sooooo SA don't test fire their guns anymore?

jg420
05-01-2012, 20:18
I am glad this thread got posted. I have recently purchased a new S&W 1911 and had some failure to feed issues. First I figured it tight, which it really is but also I had been shooting reloads out of it. I tightened up my crimp and put more rounds through it yesterday and it ran alot smoother with one FTF. So I just watched the video and tested the tension with a live round by shaking it, and the round will not shake out of the bottom. Now the question is the gun has an external extractor, and am about to check for a video on that but figured I would go ahead and post to see what kind of input you guys gave back. I have only put between 100-200rds through it so should I mess with it or try and adjust the extractor now? Thanks.

dakrat
05-01-2012, 20:23
I usually load new mags and leave them overnight before using them.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: you are joking right?

bac1023
05-01-2012, 21:05
Always good videos on YouTube :)

MD357
05-01-2012, 22:42
:rofl::rofl::rofl: you are joking right?

Yeah there were a few comments one could run with....

Veedubklown
05-01-2012, 23:32
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-03-24_17-45-40_882.jpg

Hopefully you don't have to go this route. Not that I mind mine, just that it was a nervous procedure.

1911Tuner
05-02-2012, 06:44
Remove the extractor and see if it'll feed. If it does, you have an extractor problem...which I doubt. If it doesn't, look elsewhere.

95% of all feed failures are magazine related. The rest are due to a frame ramp that's too steep. Many people say failure to feed when it's actually a failure to go to or return to battery. If the cartridge gets into the chamber...even a little ways...it's a failure to go to battery.

Failures to go to battery can be caused by more than one thing...the extractor being one of the most common...and it's not just tension that needs to be addressed. Most often, excessive extractor deflection is the culprit. That is...too much of the tensioning wall protruding into the breechface area. With the proper amount of deflection, the gun will tolerate a good bit more tension than what is normally recommended. I like to see about .010-.012 inch of sideways deflection.

I also like to see .484-.488 inch measured between the two small rectangular guide blocks located below the breechface. The extractor passes through one of these blocks, and you'll have to take care not to let one jaw of the caliper get into the extractor channel and give a false reading.

MajorD
05-02-2012, 08:28
before going all crazy to diagnose this issue try running the gun with hardball first- you may find it feeds hardball just fine and after a few hundred ball it will feed HP's ok too. And try a variety of bullet profiles. not every gun feeds every bullet profile.

DWentz744
05-02-2012, 10:29
Thanks everyone!

Well I played with the extractor a bit (shoving a bullet in there, maybe I loosened it up a bit) and shot 200 rounds of Gold dot thru it. 3 FTFs... but only with the 1st round of the 8 round mags now. The 7s were 100%. No other malfunctions. Now what?

MD357
05-02-2012, 10:56
Thanks everyone!

Well I played with the extractor a bit (shoving a bullet in there, maybe I loosened it up a bit) and shot 200 rounds of Gold dot thru it. 3 FTFs... but only with the 1st round of the 8 round mags now. The 7s were 100%. No other malfunctions. Now what?

I'd check and tension it PROPERLY like the videos show and get some good mags like Wilson, Tripp, or CMCs.

fnfalman
05-02-2012, 11:12
Thanks everyone!

Well I played with the extractor a bit (shoving a bullet in there, maybe I loosened it up a bit) and shot 200 rounds of Gold dot thru it. 3 FTFs... but only with the 1st round of the 8 round mags now. The 7s were 100%. No other malfunctions. Now what?

Try another hollowpoint load and see.

itstime
05-02-2012, 11:13
I'd check and tension it PROPERLY like the videos show and get some good mags like Wilson, Tripp, or CMCs.

What he said. Make sure it has proper tension then try it with ball and try it a lot. :cool::cool: