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RCP
05-03-2012, 22:29
or lack of

Romney Obama the Same? - YouTube

JBnTX
05-03-2012, 22:49
These threads hurt Romney and help Obama.

Is that your goal?

3.slow
05-03-2012, 23:19
These threads hurt Romney and help Obama.

Is that your goal?

What are you afraid of? Are you afraid the candidate you cheer for is exactly the same idiot as the guy now? Of course you like idiot number 2 because he is in the republican party, not because of his policies and ideas. :crying:

RCP
05-04-2012, 00:37
What are you afraid of? Are you afraid the candidate you cheer for is exactly the same idiot as the guy now? Of course you like idiot number 2 because he is in the republican party, not because of his policies and ideas. :crying:

Spot on:wavey:

ricklee4570
05-04-2012, 03:47
I would rather have Romney picking the Supreme Court Justices than Obama.

Romney wont enact anymore gun laws.

Economic wise their is huge differences in their beliefs.

Romney has changed his way of thinking on some issues that are improtant to conservatives. Obama is a staunch liberal.

Natty
05-04-2012, 03:58
The video does show that Obama falsely portrayed Romney's ideas on healthcare as his own.

tslex
05-04-2012, 06:49
What are you afraid of? Are you afraid the candidate you cheer for is exactly the same idiot as the guy now? Of course you like idiot number 2 because he is in the republican party, not because of his policies and ideas. :crying:

QFMFT

This isn't the NFL, where I root for the team I have always rooted for because i have always rooted for them. This is the fate of the nation. Voting for an R or D because you have always voted for an R or D is an abdication of your right to vote.

tslex
05-04-2012, 06:51
I would rather have Romney picking the Supreme Court Justices than Obama.

Romney wont enact anymore gun laws.



1. Why

2. What's your factual basis for that belief. Only gun law Big O has actually signed was to open national parks to CCW. Do I think he favors my right to defend myself? Well of course not. Bu there is ZERO evidence that Romney would be any improvement.

Brucev
05-04-2012, 07:15
Some people need to grow up and live in the adult world. Reality is that in Nov. America will vote. Either Romney will be elected... and America will have a chance at some sort of a decent future. Or the squatter will be elected and will then with his regime continue what he has already started... the destruction of America. It is that simple. Whining about how you don't like Romney is like standing on the playground screaming when the teacher tells you you have to quit playing and go into the classroom to do your lessons. Get over it.

JBnTX
05-04-2012, 07:21
What are you afraid of? Are you afraid the candidate you cheer for is exactly the same idiot as the guy now?...


What I'm afraid of is that by erasing the differences between Obama and Romney, that many people who would have voted for Romney will now vote for Obama.

What if people get the idea that we may as well stay with Obama (a known entity), rather than switch to Romney (the same difference).

People may think that since there's no difference, then it doesn't matter who you vote for.

That would be wrong!
Obama MUST be defeated!

..

NDCent
05-04-2012, 07:46
Their differences are as plain as black and white. :whistling:

ChuteTheMall
05-04-2012, 07:54
I'm afraid that Obama might be re-elected.

There is only one way to stop him and his Ronulan puppets.

Mitt Romney should change his name to Not Obama.

:deadhorse:

pugman
05-04-2012, 08:00
Obama = Romney = any other politican

Their goals are all the same...

To get elected/relected

To continue to pit one side of the fence vs the other

Unfortunately I'm betting on Obama getting relected...to the tune of $500. Honestly, I see it as a win win...Obama gets relected I get $500...he doesn't get elected I'm happy he didn't win.

engineer151515
05-04-2012, 08:01
The fact that Obama and Romney don't recognize the un-Constitutional nature of the Individual Mandate is just beyond me.

The fact that many, many Americans cannot, or refuse, to recognize the un-Constitutional nature of the Individual Mandate is also more than I can fathom.


Providing tax-funded health care for everybody was never in the scope of the founders of this great country.

I still have difficulty with the thought of supporting Romney on this basis alone. Anyone who thinks the Individual Mandate is somehow within the framework of the freedoms guaranteed by the COTUS is either uninformed or desires dictatorial powers.

That said . . .

The Congress has failed to pass a Budget for 3 YEARS.

In that time, we have OVERSPENT our income by 5 TRILLION dollars.


If we don't overturn the Democrats in Congress and the White House, we will be in debt over 20 TRILLION dollars by the end of the second Obama term.


That is an immediate and direct threat to the national security of the United States.
( "Our rising debt levels (pose) a national security threat."—US Secretary of State Hillary Clintonto Council on Foreign Relations, Sept. 2010 )

That will enslave our children and our grandchildren to our debt holders. Do you realize that, at the current tax levels, our present generation of tax payers have ALREADY SPENT ALL THE INCOME TAXES to be collected from our children and our grandchildren?

The federal long-term fiscal outlook was declared "unsustainable" by the Government Accounting Office - FIVE YEARS AGO!

The US Government has monetized it's own spending for years, driving the probability of a hyper-inflationary, fiscal collapse possibility of the US dollar ever higher. You are going to be left with tons of US dollars in the bank. Worth . . . dirt. Think of what this is going to do to your country. If it leaves you guessing, look up some recent history in Mexico or Argentina.


The US Government continues to propagate unsustainable economic "bubbles" in real estate, industry, universities and banking by driving interest rates to unrealistic and non-market driven levels. Student loans now make up more credit debt than credit cards. Ready for the taxpayer bailout on that one? You are about to fund all the Art Studies degrees held by the Wall Street Protesters who claim they cannot find an Arts related job that pay $100K - therefore capitalism has failed them.

I want to believe that Romney's business experience will help address this.



So . . . if you have any doubts. If you think Obama has succeed in his apologies to world powers. If you believe "leading from behind" is the way to go, why don't you go to this web page, watch it for 30 seconds.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The American voter might only have Liberal choices between both parties, BUT DO NOT give the incumbent the free-reign of a second term in which re-election is no longer a hindrance to a potentially more Liberally irresponsible agenda.

Obama has already promised RUSSIA that he will have more "flexibility" in doing what Obama wants in a second term.

ricklee4570
05-04-2012, 08:02
1. Why

2. What's your factual basis for that belief. Only gun law Big O has actually signed was to open national parks to CCW. Do I think he favors my right to defend myself? Well of course not. Bu there is ZERO evidence that Romney would be any improvement.

Why?? Ummm lets see, Elena Kagan and Sonya Sotomayor. Duh, I dont think it would be possible to pick two worse Justices than those two.

If Obama gets reelected and sometime during his next term the dems take back the House, yes, I do expect Obama's administration to keep their promise to the anti-gunners and enact some more crazy gun laws.

Romney is not my first choice or even second choice, but he is way better than Obama.

I also believe Romney will walk the conservative line, because he knows if he doesnt, he will be a one term President.

barbedwiresmile
05-04-2012, 08:06
I will be doing everything I can to encourage conservatives disillusioned with the GOP and its nominee to stay home and not give their legitimacy to this charade by handing over their vote. Bush, McCain, now Romney. Who will the next nominee be? Bloomberg?

ricklee4570
05-04-2012, 08:09
The fact that Obama and Romney recognize the un-Constitutional nature of the Individual Mandate is just beyond me.

The fact that many, many Americans cannot, or refuse, to recognize the un-Constitutional nature of the Individual Mandate is also more than I can fathom.


Providing tax-funded health care for everybody was never in the scope of the founders of this great country.

I still have difficulty with the thought of supporting Romney on this basis alone. Anyone who thinks the Individual Mandate is somehow within the framework of the freedoms guaranteed by the COTUS is either uninformed or desires dictatorial powers.

That said . . .

The Congress has failed to pass a Budget for 3 YEARS.

In that time, we have OVERSPENT our income by 5 TRILLION dollars.


If we don't overturn the Democrats in Congress and the White House, we will be in debt over 20 TRILLION dollars by the end of the second Obama term.


That is an immediate and direct threat to the national security of the United States.
( "Our rising debt levels (pose) a national security threat."—US Secretary of State Hillary Clintonto Council on Foreign Relations, Sept. 2010 )

That will enslave our children and our grandchildren to our debt holders. Do you realize that, at the current tax levels, our present generation of tax payers have ALREADY SPENT ALL THE INCOME TAXES to be collected from our children and our grandchildren?

The federal long-term fiscal outlook was declared "unsustainable" by the Government Accounting Office - FIVE YEARS AGO!

The US Government has monetized it's own spending for years, driving the probability of a hyper-inflationary, fiscal collapse possibility of the US dollar ever higher. You are going to be left with tons of US dollars in the bank. Worth . . . dirt. Think of what this is going to do to your country. If it leaves you guessing, look up some recent history in Mexico or Argentina.


The US Government continues to propagate unsustainable economic "bubbles" in real estate, industry, universities and banking by driving interest rates to unrealistic and non-market driven levels. Student loans now make up more credit debt than credit cards. Ready for the taxpayer bailout on that one? You are about to fund all the Art Studies degrees held by the Wall Street Protesters who claim they cannot find an Arts related job that pay $100K - therefore capitalism has failed them.

I want to believe that Romney's business experience will help address this.



So . . . if you have any doubts. If you think Obama has succeed in his apologies to world powers. If you believe "leading from behind" is the way to go, why don't you go to this web page, watch it for 30 seconds.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The American voter might only have Liberal choices between both parties, BUT DO NOT give the incumbent the free-reign of a second term in which re-election is no longer a hindrance to a potentially more Liberally irresponsible agenda.

Obama has already promised RUSSIA that he will have more "flexibility" in doing what Obama wants in a second term.

Well said. Hopefully those propagating that there is no difference between Romney and Obama might learn something from reading your post.

JBnTX
05-04-2012, 08:17
I will be doing everything I can to encourage conservatives disillusioned with the GOP and its nominee to stay home and not give their legitimacy to this charade by handing over their vote...


Putting a "Vote For Obama 2012" bumper sticker on your car is something else you can do.

Wearing an "Obama For Hope and Change" Tee-shirt is
also a good idea.

You could put pro Obama ads in newspapers.

On election day stand outside the polls with a pro Obama sign
is very effective.

That's about everything you can do.

:rofl:

The Machinist
05-04-2012, 08:21
That video was painful to watch, but reaffirms everything we've been saying: There's no fundamental difference between Romney and Obama.

If those two men were to switch their party affiliations today, most of the crowd here would vote for a Republican Obama.

tgmr05
05-04-2012, 08:23
All politicians have similarities, and some are eerily similar. The differences are what this election is about. THAT is the focus of this or any election.... The left and their minions, as well as those who are unable to intellectually separate themselves from the propaganda, continue the leftist mantra that there is no difference, so the left can justify their extremism and stay in power. DO NOT fall for it. There is a difference. Focus on it, make it clear and evident.

Example, what was the difference between Clinton and Obama in the last election? If the left followed the ploy they are using now, the election would have been much different. The left HIDES most of the differences, because they KNOW they have to. It is the differences, not similarities that are bringing this nation down, and it is the differences that can change the course of elections. The left did used difference, not similarity, to promote Obama over Clinton. Sadly, the difference they used was race in the last election, which really was not a difference, because we are a melting pot nation. They HID the true, fundamentally radical, disastrous differences while using one that makes no difference to America and freedom. Now, they are abusing that difference to try and stay in power. The left is truly sad........

Now they are trying to use similarity, to keep their guy in office. If they can convince enough there is no difference, they get to keep their guy, and we ALL lose, big time..


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lancesorbenson
05-04-2012, 08:29
I will be doing everything I can to encourage conservatives disillusioned with the GOP and its nominee to stay home and not give their legitimacy to this charade by handing over their vote. Bush, McCain, now Romney. Who will the next nominee be? Bloomberg?

I'm thinking Chucky Schumer.

Woofie
05-04-2012, 09:20
All politicians have similarities, and some are eerily similar. The differences are what this election is about. THAT is the focus of this or any election.... The left and their minions, as well as those who are unable to intellectually separate themselves from the propaganda, continue the leftist mantra that there is no difference, so the left can justify their extremism and stay in power. DO NOT fall for it. There is a difference. Focus on it, make it clear and evident.

Example, what was the difference between Clinton and Obama in the last election? If the left followed the ploy they are using now, the election would have been much different. The left HIDES most of the differences, because they KNOW they have to. It is the differences, not similarities that are bringing this nation down, and it is the differences that can change the course of elections. The left did used difference, not similarity, to promote Obama over Clinton. Sadly, the difference they used was race in the last election, which really was not a difference, because we are a melting pot nation. They HID the true, fundamentally radical, disastrous differences while using one that makes no difference to America and freedom. Now, they are abusing that difference to try and stay in power. The left is truly sad........

Now they are trying to use similarity, to keep their guy in office. If they can convince enough there is no difference, they get to keep their guy, and we ALL lose, big time..


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So what are the actual, known differences between Romney and Obama? Don't give me any speculation, either. Romney and Obama both have clear records of their past behavior. Tell me the important differences.

3.slow
05-04-2012, 10:00
I would rather have Romney picking the Supreme Court Justices than Obama.

Romney wont enact anymore gun laws.

Economic wise their is huge differences in their beliefs.

Romney has changed his way of thinking on some issues that are improtant to conservatives. Obama is a staunch liberal.

I'm glad you are his puppet master. O wait, he will be our puppet master so your point is moot :tongueout:

concretefuzzynuts
05-04-2012, 10:13
It is painful to watch, I know. But here is a reason not to stay home pass on voting. We have a chance to get someone new in. It would be great if he was the polar opposite of Obama but this time it's not. But If Obama stays in, he's got nothing to loose. He'll make even bigger changes to America. He knows that the next 4 years is his last and nothing will stop him if he has a congress, senate and the power of the president.

Look, I'd rather have someone more constitutional. Less Socialist. But at this point our goal is to START moving the other way. And if that means holding my nose and voting for Romney, I'll have to do it. Dr. Paul has kicked off a new revolution. More and more people are starting to see the light. But it won't happen fast. These things take time to build. And that's whats been happening. I've been a Libertarian since 1982. There weren't a lot of us back then. But our movement is growing. Sometimes the steps are small. Don't waste your vote, we must remove this President. And, although i respect and support Dr. Paul, don't let him be a Ross Perot in this election.

Ruble Noon
05-04-2012, 10:21
I will be doing everything I can to encourage conservatives disillusioned with the GOP and its nominee to stay home and not give their legitimacy to this charade by handing over their vote. Bush, McCain, now Romney. Who will the next nominee be? Bloomberg?

Romney is brown nosing Bloomberg for an endorsement so, yeah, probably.

Woofie
05-04-2012, 10:23
It is painful to watch, I know. But here is a reason not to stay home pass on voting. We have a chance to get someone new in. It would be great if he was the polar opposite of Obama but this time it's not. But If Obama stays in, he's got nothing to loose. He'll make even bigger changes to America. He knows that the next 4 years is his last and nothing will stop him if he has a congress, senate and the power of the president.

Look, I'd rather have someone more constitutional. Less Socialist. But at this point our goal is to START moving the other way. And if that means holding my nose and voting for Romney, I'll have to do it. Dr. Paul has kicked off a new revolution. More and more people are starting to see the light. But it won't happen fast. These things take time to build. And that's whats been happening. I've been a Libertarian since 1982. There weren't a lot of us back then. But our movement is growing. Sometimes the steps are small. Don't waste your vote, we must remove this President. And, although i respect and support Dr. Paul, don't let him be a Ross Perot in this election.

Poor line of reasoning. If both of them run in the general election it is just as easily argued that Romney is the one playing Perot's part, keeping Ron Paul from being elected.

Just like it is Daddy Bush's fault Perot wasn't elected.

concretefuzzynuts
05-04-2012, 10:39
Poor line of reasoning. If both of them run in the general election it is just as easily argued that Romney is the one playing Perot's part, keeping Ron Paul from being elected.

Just like it is Daddy Bush's fault Perot wasn't elected.

I am a man who reasons with facts. I am not led by ideology or emotions. The fact is that the elections are decided by the Electoral College not by hopeful voting. The College will not lean to Ron Paul. So if its between Paul and Obama, you are waisting your vote.

It is not how I would like it to be, it is a fact. Hell Romney has a slim chance given the same facts. But at least a closer chance.

Woofie
05-04-2012, 11:35
I am a man who reasons with facts. I am not led by ideology or emotions. The fact is that the elections are decided by the Electoral College not by hopeful voting. The College will not lean to Ron Paul. So if its between Paul and Obama, you are waisting your vote.

It is not how I would like it to be, it is a fact. Hell Romney has a slim chance given the same facts. But at least a closer chance.

Are you saying that the electoral college would not vote for Paul if he won the general election?

pugman
05-04-2012, 11:46
Are you saying that the electoral college would not vote for Paul if he won the general election?

Sure, they have done it before......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

In United States presidential elections, a faithless elector is a member of the Electoral College who does not vote for the candidate he or she has pledged to vote for. Faithless electors are pledged electors and thus different from unpledged electors.

On 158 occasions, electors have cast their votes for President or Vice President in a manner different from that prescribed by the legislature of the state they represented. Of those, 71 votes were changed because the original candidate died before the elector was able to cast a vote. Two votes were not cast at all when electors chose to abstain from casting their electoral vote for any candidate. The remaining 85 were changed by the elector's personal interest, or perhaps by accident. Usually, the faithless electors act alone. An exception was the U.S. presidential election of 1836, in which 23 Virginia electors conspired to change their vote together (see below).

Bren
05-04-2012, 11:53
The only differences between Romney and Obama, that matter:

1. If elected, Romney will be somewhat controlled by and owe favors to Republicans and the Republican party. Obama will be controlled by and owe favors to Democrats, particularly Democrats in the "race business."

2. If elected, Romney will need to watch his manners and not alienate the Republican voters that he needs to get re-elected. Obama will never be running for election/reelection to any office again in his life, so all bets are off.

I've posted this in response to each of these "Romenys' no better than Obama" threads, to demonstrate that, even if they have exactly the same view on every single thing, Romney is still a MUCH better choice.

Nobody has posted any sort of meaningful argument to the contrary.

concretefuzzynuts
05-04-2012, 11:56
Are you saying that the electoral college would not vote for Paul if he won the general election?

I'm saying that Popular vote does not equal College vote. Recent example: the 2000 presidential election. Here are the facts.


Four presidents were elected after losing the popular vote.

John Quincy Adams in 1824 (Andrew Jackson won the popular vote.)
Rutherford Hayes in 1876 (Samuel Tilden won the popular vote)
Benjamin Harrison in 1888 ( incumbent president Grover Cleveland won the popular vote)
George W. Bush in 2000 ( Al Gore won the popular vote)

concretefuzzynuts
05-04-2012, 11:58
The only differences between Romney and Obama, that matter:

1. If elected, Romney will be somewhat controlled by and owe favors to Republicans and the Republican party. Obama will be controlled by and owe favors to Democrats, particularly Democrats in the "race business."

2. If elected, Romney will need to watch his manners and not alienate the Republican voters that he needs to get re-elected. Obama will never be running for election/reelection to any office again in his life, so all bets are off.

I've posted this in response to each of these "Romenys' no better than Obama" threads, to demonstrate that, even if they have exactly the same view on every single thing, Romney is still a MUCH better choice.

Nobody has posted any sort of meaningful argument to the contrary.

Similar to what I said. Obama has to go. Don't waste your vote on a sit out.

RC-RAMIE
05-04-2012, 11:59
Why?? Ummm lets see, Elena Kagan and Sonya Sotomayor. Duh, I dont think it would be possible to pick two worse Justices than those two.

If Obama gets reelected and sometime during his next term the dems take back the House, yes, I do expect Obama's administration to keep their promise to the anti-gunners and enact some more crazy gun laws.

Romney is not my first choice or even second choice, but he is way better than Obama.

I also believe Romney will walk the conservative line, because he knows if he doesnt, he will be a one term President.

I asked before if we are voting against Obama because we fear in second term he might restrict gun rights, who do we vote for on Mitt second term seems like we are just kicking that can down the road. Ill vote for people who won't restrict gun rights no matter if its 1st or 2nd term.

JBnTX
05-04-2012, 12:02
The only differences between Romney and Obama, that matter:

1. If elected, Romney will be somewhat controlled by and owe favors to Republicans and the Republican party. Obama will be controlled by and owe favors to Democrats, particularly Democrats in the "race business."

2. If elected, Romney will need to watch his manners and not alienate the Republican voters that he needs to get re-elected. Obama will never be running for election/reelection to any office again in his life, so all bets are off.

.


...and these two differences are HUGE!

concretefuzzynuts
05-04-2012, 12:18
I asked before if we are voting against Obama because we fear in second term he might restrict gun rights, who do we vote for on Mitt second term seems like we are just kicking that can down the road. Ill vote for people who won't restrict gun rights no matter if its 1st or 2nd term.

We hold our noses and vote for the least offensive turd in the toilet bowl. And we don't waste our vote on the non-electable one. We need to have one goal in mind this election- to get the incumbent out.

concretefuzzynuts
05-04-2012, 12:20
Also, remember that our back up and anchor is to keep the Congress and reclaim the Senate.

Bren
05-04-2012, 12:49
Poor line of reasoning. If both of them run in the general election it is just as easily argued that Romney is the one playing Perot's part, keeping Ron Paul from being elected.

Just like it is Daddy Bush's fault Perot wasn't elected.

Even you don't really believe that argument. If one of the Big 2 parties decided not to participate, a third party candidate still couldn't win.

Bren
05-04-2012, 12:54
I asked before if we are voting against Obama because we fear in second term he might restrict gun rights, who do we vote for on Mitt second term seems like we are just kicking that can down the road. Ill vote for people who won't restrict gun rights no matter if its 1st or 2nd term.

The answer is the same - if Mitt is as bad as Obama and we fear him in a second term, vs. a Democrat who is equal or better, we vote Democrat. In that situation, Mitt would still be a Repuvblican, so that would make some difference on the gun issue (Democrats not following his lead becauyse he's a Republican and Republicans' not following his lead because he's anti-gun). However, if all other things looked equal, we don't want an anti-gunner having a second term.

Do you want an anti-gunner in a position to say: "This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility"? ...Barrack Obama, March 26, 2012

Ruble Noon
05-04-2012, 15:17
The only differences between Romney and Obama, that matter:

1. If elected, Romney will be somewhat controlled by and owe favors to Republicans and the Republican party. Obama will be controlled by and owe favors to Democrats, particularly Democrats in the "race business."
If we increase the number of TEA party members in congress then you might have a valid point although, most of the TEA party members voted for indefinite detainment of U.S. citizens and limiting the 1st Amendment.

2. If elected, Romney will need to watch his manners and not alienate the Republican voters that he needs to get re-elected. Obama will never be running for election/reelection to any office again in his life, so all bets are off.

Romney has already alienated the republican voters

I've posted this in response to each of these "Romenys' no better than Obama" threads, to demonstrate that, even if they have exactly the same view on every single thing, Romney is still a MUCH better choice.

Nobody has posted any sort of meaningful argument to the contrary.

Here you go

Obama, Romney and Goldman Sachs - 2012 - YouTube

Acujeff
05-04-2012, 19:03
There are four major issues of concern to gun owners if Obama is re-elected:

1. In the very least gun control will no longer be "under the radar" and we'd see more regulations and executive orders governing every aspect gun and ammo ownership and commerce. We've already seen Obama unilaterally impose gun registration in four border states — requiring gun dealers to register the sales of any law-abiding citizen who purchases more than one semi-automatic rifle within one week.

2. ATF and DOJ Gunrunner/Fast and Furious programs appear to have been the direct result of the Obama administration's effort to "prove" that the Second Amendment rights of U.S. citizens were responsible for Mexico's drug cartel problems - a claim made early and often by administration officials, but which was subsequently proven false. The administration seems to have set out to make what wasn't already true to be a reality by ordering American gun stores to sell firearms to prohibited people they knew were tied to the cartels, then refusing to even attempt to track the weapons.

A criminal scandal greater than Nixon’s Watergate and resulting in many innocent deaths should be Obama’s undoing but, instead, democrats and the mainstream media are actually using it as excuse to call for more gun control.

3. In 2012, the UN plans to release a final draft of the Arms Trade Treaty—a treaty that will have severe consequences for American gun owners. The ATT will, at the very least, require gun owner registration and microstamping of ammunition.

The ATT will define manufacturing so broadly that any gun owner who adds an accessory such as a scope or changes a stock on a firearm would be required to obtain a manufacturing license.

It would also likely include a ban on many semi-automatic firearms (like the Clinton gun ban) and demand the mandatory destruction of surplus ammo and confiscated firearms.
President Obama, not surprisingly, welcomes the treaty. He knows that he is unlikely to get such radical proposals through the Congress, so the UN provides him a backdoor way to enact gun control.

4. Four US Supreme Court Justices are now over the age of 70 and three of them will be over the age of 80 by the end of Obama's second term. He could likely appoint 3 more Justices if he is re-elected. An anti-gun Court would be free to re-define and dismantle Heller and the RKBA out of existence. The current anti-gun Justices have already stated their intention to do exactly that.

Anti-Second Amendment Justice Ginsberg has stated that the majority opinions in this case are “grievously mistaken”, that minority opinions would be used to rewrite legal history and create a purely “collective right connected to the militia” and she looks forward to the day a “future, wiser court“ overturns Heller. John Paul Stevens recently told Time magazine the one thing in particular he would change about the American judicial system “I would change the interpretation of the Second Amendment. The court got that quite wrong.”

Obama and the Democratic majority Senate appointed anti-Second Amendment Justices Sotomayor and Kagan. All they need is one more like minded Justice to get a majority of five anti’s and implement their stated agenda through the courts. If that happens we’ll never see a pro-RKBA victory again in our lifetime.

Compare Romney‘s entire RKBA record as MA Gov.:
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

GW Bush was often categorized as “not pro-gun enough” but he appointed two pro-RKBA Justices to the Supreme Court giving us the majority to win Heller and McDonald. The AWB was allowed to expire and much of our pro-RKBA legislation progress was during his administration.

It's clear to sane voters, if we want to protect the Second Amendment, we need to get a Republican in the White House and a pro-RKBA Republican majority and leadership in the Senate.

RyanSBHF
05-04-2012, 20:20
Romney has signed more anti-gun bills into law than Obama.

Cavalry Doc
05-04-2012, 20:32
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/Kagan_Obama_D_20100510105339.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/Barryandsotomayor.jpg
http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i.bnet.com/blogs/biden2.bmp&sa=X&ei=GI-kT_32LYbetge2t7TXBA&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNG1UhDX-BiVBeQYLcu5l_JXeD1IZA
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002576449/1529184933_Eric_Holder_AP_Photo_Rich_Pedroncelli_xlarge.jpeg

If you can't see it, you can't see.

And just for the superficial ones that are highly concerned about race, I am hesitant to point this out, and DO NOT flame me or call me derogatory names for pointing this out, I promise I am not a racist or anything close to this for pointing out the most obvious difference: They spell their names, like, totally differently.


If you can't see the difference between these two humans, Please post your IQ score so we can skip your posts, or at least change your avatar to the Bill Ingvall special:

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Acujeff
05-04-2012, 20:35
If you actually examine his record it is clear Romney signed no anti-gun bills while he was Gov. of MA.

During the Romney Administration he met and worked with Gun Owners’ Action League (the Mass. based pro-2A group) and no anti-second amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation was signed by the Governor. He removed any anti-second amendment language from the Gang Violence bill passed in 2006, and signed five pro-second amendment bills into law. Romney signed a bill that amended the permanent MA AWB and made it less strict. Some folks on GT are misrepresenting his record and claiming that Romney signed the AWB permanently into effect and that our AWB was set to expire in 2004.

Romney earned a B from the NRA, which is higher than Obama (an F) or Hillary (also an F). Romney is certainly more pro-gun than McCain (rated a C+ by the NRA)

Romney‘s entire record:
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

Ruble Noon
05-04-2012, 20:51
If you actually examine his record it is clear Romney signed no anti-gun bills while he was Gov. of MA.

During the Romney Administration he met and worked with Gun Owners’ Action League (the Mass. based pro-2A group) and no anti-second amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation was signed by the Governor. He removed any anti-second amendment language from the Gang Violence bill passed in 2006, and signed five pro-second amendment bills into law. Romney signed a bill that amended the permanent MA AWB and made it less strict. Some folks on GT are misrepresenting his record and claiming that Romney signed the AWB permanently into effect and that our AWB was set to expire in 2004.

Romney earned a B from the NRA, which is higher than Obama (an F) or Hillary (also an F). Romney is certainly more pro-gun than McCain (rated a C+ by the NRA)

Romney‘s entire record:
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

Mitt Romney Talks Guns On Meet The Press - YouTube

Cavalry Doc
05-04-2012, 20:52
Yeah, Mittens has no "cred" on the gun issue. Still, when considering the total package, better than Barry

concretefuzzynuts
05-04-2012, 20:55
Facts? They are verboten here! Thank you.

Ruble Noon
05-04-2012, 21:06
Yeah, Mittens has no "cred" on the gun issue. Still, when considering the total package, better than Barry


Always the optimist. :supergrin:

Mitt doesn't hate America or capitalism like obama does but I wouldn't expect any rollback of obama's transgressions on our country. If SCOTUS doesn't nix obamacare I don't expect Romney to either. His waivers to the states can't be issued until 2017, after it is fully implemented.

Cavalry Doc
05-04-2012, 21:16
Always the optimist. :supergrin:

Mitt doesn't hate America or capitalism like obama does but I wouldn't expect any rollback of obama's transgressions on our country. If SCOTUS doesn't nix obamacare I don't expect Romney to either. His waivers to the states can't be issued until 2017, after it is fully implemented.

A democrat would call me a pessimist for not believing in hope and change. Elmer Fudd/Barney Fwank voice: "Bawwy just hasn' had enough time to fix what GWB Bwoke"


Reality is what it is.

lancesorbenson
05-04-2012, 21:27
“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

Mitt Romney Talks Guns On Meet The Press - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Ygw9CQ9po)

I wonder what he means by weapons of a certain lethality. Probably the scary looking guns that hold lots and lots of bullets. Scary bullets. Sometimes the bullets themselves are really scary. Those .50 cal bullets are big and scary and the terrorists could use them to shoot down the planes.

Thanks fellow Republicans for really going out and finding a guy who believes so firmly in the 2nd Amendment to run for president. I didn't think "shall not be infringed" would too hard for an educated man to understand, even if he is a Yankee progressive in magic underwear.

juggy4711
05-04-2012, 22:33
The Best the R's have at this point is that it doesn't matter how bad Romney sucks he's not Obama. No thanks I'll pass and there is a chance so will enough independent conservatives that just like with McCain, Obama could very well win again. How's that for reality?

LASTRESORT20
05-04-2012, 22:38
These threads hurt Romney and help Obama.

Is that your goal?


Agree^^^....getting old....why not just vote for Obama and be done with it...

CitizenOfDreams
05-04-2012, 23:05
"Obama and Romney differences"? Is that a new title in the World's Shortest Books series?

tgmr05
05-04-2012, 23:07
Lets see, actual differences, easy if one actually wants to see them. First, look at their associates/mentors. No Reverend Wright spewing hatred of America for 20 years in Romneys past. No Bill Ayers, no avowed communists like VanJones in Romneys past/present associates, cabinet members, political group. Oh, and a big one here..did Romney not have a budget and outspend EVERY single predecessor combined, like Obama has?

The differences are astonishing, if one is not sucked into trying to discourage folks from seeing it, by hiding what Obama has truly done.....AND where Obama came from, and what he truly believes, as compared to Romney...

Are there similarities? Sure, and some are troubling, but there is NO WAY they are as similar as the left is trying to promote.....


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lancesorbenson
05-04-2012, 23:12
These threads hurt Romney and help Obama.

Is that your goal?

Yeah because the average voter makes sure to consult GlockTalk before heading out to pull the lever.

Glock26z
05-05-2012, 00:44
I don't care for Romney either so I like to throw out something on 2 write in candidates, Sara Palin for Pres and Chuck Norris for Vice Pres. Think about it if you don't like Romney.

Gunhaver
05-05-2012, 01:33
Obama = Romney = any other politican

Their goals are all the same...

To get elected/relected

To continue to pit one side of the fence vs the other

Unfortunately I'm betting on Obama getting relected...to the tune of $500. Honestly, I see it as a win win...Obama gets relected I get $500...he doesn't get elected I'm happy he didn't win.

Where did you find somebody crazy enough to take that bet? I'd like a piece of that action. Sure, I know plenty of people say that Romney will win but I don't think many would put $500 where their mouth is.

Bren
05-05-2012, 05:46
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If we increase the number of TEA party members in congress then you might have a valid point although, most of the TEA party members voted for indefinite detainment of U.S. citizens and limiting the 1st Amendment.



Romney has already alienated the republican voters



Here you go

Obama, Romney and Goldman Sachs - 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWBzUuo9_eo&feature=player_embedded)

If you consider that a response, in any way, to what I said, it explains a lot about the stuff you post.

Bren
05-05-2012, 06:40
The Best the R's have at this point is that it doesn't matter how bad Romney sucks he's not Obama. No thanks I'll pass and there is a chance so will enough independent conservatives that just like with McCain, Obama could very well win again. How's that for reality?

That is exactly reality. I believe the "no thanks, I'll pass" voters WILL reelect Obama and then claim, whether dishonestly or through ignorance, that it's not their fault when he does more harm to gun rights than Clinton ever dreamed of.

3.slow
05-05-2012, 19:47
That is exactly reality. I believe the "no thanks, I'll pass" voters WILL reelect Obama and then claim, whether dishonestly or through ignorance, that it's not their fault when he does more harm to gun rights than Clinton ever dreamed of.

We pass because the candidates are so weak. Both are crap. Both are crap. They both push the same agenda. Both are crap. . . and honestly, do you think voting does anything?

tslex
05-09-2012, 14:27
that video was painful to watch, but reaffirms everything we've been saying: There's no fundamental difference between romney and obama.

If those two men were to switch their party affiliations today, most of the crowd here would vote for a republican obama.

qfmft

RyanSBHF
05-09-2012, 20:08
"Obama and Romney differences"? Is that a new title in the World's Shortest Books series?



It's sure to join other popular titles such as "Barack Obama's Accomplishments" and "A Man's Guide To Understanding Women".