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Ruble Noon
05-04-2012, 21:21
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46464

frank4570
05-04-2012, 21:34
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46464

Game over.

janice6
05-04-2012, 21:34
I'm quickly losing faith in the "peoples" ability to recognize the rapidly increasing temperature of the water we're all in.

juggy4711
05-04-2012, 22:40
As Franklin predicted at the adoption of the CotUS is has really been game over since day one. It was simply a matter of time.

Mister_Beefy
05-04-2012, 23:21
the true reason for the 2nd amendment.

not duck hunting.

not self defense.

tyranny defense.

hogfish
05-05-2012, 04:54
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46464

Why would anyone listen to what this guy has to say? He hasn't picked a side, meaning he necessarily will stand alone. Criticizing 'both' political parties (inferring there are no other options is just crazy) will get him nowhere. Why doesn't he just join one of the flocks and be blissfuly happy? :winkie:

aircarver
05-05-2012, 06:19
This is what happens when a bunch of math-challenged fools get loose with the vote.

The founding fathers did not envision a citizenry like this ! ... :shocked:

We must take back our country...

If we're already past the tipping point, it's over. We're in for 75 years of soviet style communism .... :frown:

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Restless28
05-05-2012, 07:08
the true reason for the 2nd amendment.

Not duck hunting.

Not self defense.

Tyranny defense.

truth

Cavalry Doc
05-05-2012, 08:04
the true reason for the 2nd amendment.

not duck hunting.

not self defense.

tyranny defense.

Why can't it be an "all of the above" situation. Oh, and add in deer and feral hogs while you are at it.

One of mittens more irritating statements is that what he calls assault weapons have no legitimate sporting use.

I need to invite him on a hog hunt.

I'll carry this:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/IMG_1227.jpg

He can carry this:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/wallet.jpg


I'll shoot the ones that run at me, and he can shoot the ones that run after him. Even even more fun when trying to chase down a wounded one in the brush at twilight.

There are a lot of them, and some are a little on the large side.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/bedfullopigs.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/Biggerhog.png

Restless28
05-05-2012, 08:07
Rock On Doc!!! :cool:

Ruble Noon
05-05-2012, 08:13
Why can't it be an "all of the above" situation. Oh, and add in deer and feral hogs while you are at it.

One of mittens more irritating statements is that what he calls assault weapons have no legitimate sporting use.

I need to invite him on a hog hunt.

I'll carry this:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/IMG_1227.jpg

He can carry this:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/wallet.jpg


I'll shoot the ones that run at me, and he can shoot the ones that run after him. Even even more fun when trying to chase down a wounded one in the brush at twilight.

There are a lot of them, and some are a little on the large side.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/bedfullopigs.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/Biggerhog.png

Mmm bacon. :eat:

Looks like good times and a successful hunt.

QNman
05-05-2012, 08:30
Well-connected rabble rousers now say equality will not be achieved until everything is equal in everybody’s house. Leveling the playing field has finally thrown off its cloak of deceit and exposed itself as, “From each according to their ability to each according to their need.” The professional civil rights entrepreneurs who’ve extorted vast amounts of personal wealth with threats of boycotts and demonstrations have been unmasked as the true purveyors of prejudice seeking to keep race and gender differences alive for their own benefit.

Truth.

QNman
05-05-2012, 08:31
I have been invited to my first hog hunt this fall. I am planning to bring my 6.8spc and a .44 mag sidearm. I can't wait!

JBnTX
05-05-2012, 09:06
I'll carry this:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/IMG_1227.jpg




Not meaning to change the subject, but what type rings are on that scope?

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Cavalry Doc
05-05-2012, 09:24
Mmm bacon. :eat:

Looks like good times and a successful hunt.

Single day, 22 Hogs, the one on the hitch haul was over 300#.

I just set the traps, I had to go to pick up a hog that I had at the processor. By friends had a lot of fun that day though.

They are a bit small for bacon. But I don't miss it.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/meat2.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/photomeat.jpg

Cavalry Doc
05-05-2012, 09:28
Not meaning to change the subject, but what type rings are on that scope?

..

Really strong ones. It's a .308. To be honest, I don't remember where I got them, and they don't have any markings on them. They look to be cut from a block of steel, and not much excess was removed.

These are pretty close. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=20038/pid=7858/Product/MARK-4-RINGS-BASES

Cavalry Doc
05-05-2012, 09:32
I have been invited to my first hog hunt this fall. I am planning to bring my 6.8spc and a .44 mag sidearm. I can't wait!

Be careful. Just a tip, if you shoot one and it drops without kicking, shoot it again. They will tend to drop and sort of run on their sides. Also, if you walk up on one and it's eyes are closed, shoot it again. Just below the ears at the level of the eyes is the best shot from the side. The vitals are farther forward than a deer, and if you shoot it like a deer behind the shoulder, it's a gut shot. From the front, draw a line between the eyes, and aim for the middle, about 1 inch above the eyes.

Happy hunting. Yes, a pistol and a rifle are recommended.

callihan_44
05-05-2012, 09:53
the true reason for the 2nd amendment.

not duck hunting.

not self defense.

tyranny defense.

I've had to educate more than one fellow hunter about the 2nd amend, typical response> meh you dont need an AR-15 to deerhunt.....

Cavalry Doc
05-05-2012, 09:56
I've had to educate more than one fellow hunter about the 2nd amend, typical response> meh you dont need an AR-15 to deerhunt.....


Don't need a gun either. Ask how many of them want to give up their guns and take up bow hunting. Then ask the bow hunters when they want to give up their bows for spears, then ask the spear hunters when they want to give up their spears for rocks.

We need to hold fast here.

frank4570
05-05-2012, 10:37
I've had to educate more than one fellow hunter about the 2nd amend, typical response> meh you dont need an AR-15 to deerhunt.....

Same here. And very often they are under the impression that an "assault rifle" is fully auto. "Nobody needs a machine gun to hunt deer."
This is where being calm and friendly pays off.

frank4570
05-05-2012, 10:43
One of mittens more irritating statements is that what he calls assault weapons have no legitimate sporting use.



Wow. Right out of the left wing gun control handbook. Un-freakin-believable. And he's supposed to be on our side. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

Cavalry Doc
05-05-2012, 12:53
Wow. Right out of the left wing gun control handbook. Un-freakin-believable. And he's supposed to be on our side. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

He can probably be beaten into submission by his fellow party members. Barry is worse. At least he is saying now that he does not support any further gun control. No such assurance was given by BHO.

Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions
Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.

In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure.

Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted against the bill.

On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 Aug 1, 2008

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?

A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”

Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008

April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist
April 11th produced "Bittergate." The Huffington Post website posted an explanation Obama gave at a private fundraiser in San Francisco of the challenges he faced with working-class voters in Pennsylvania and Indiana. "It's not surprising they get bitter," he said, referring to decades of constrained economic opportunities. "They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Clinton said the remarks were "not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans." McCain said Obama showed "breathtaking" elitism. Obama challenged the accusations, and noted in response to the charge of elitism that he had been raised by a single mother who relied on food stamps, but conceded he could have been more diplomatic.
Source: Obama for Beginners, by Bob Neer, p. 61 Apr 1, 2008

Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?

A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008

Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?

A: I don’t think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You’ve got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you’ve got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008

2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007

Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.

When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“

It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007

Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?

A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don’t have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007

Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.

OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004

Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:

Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices


Is Romney a good guy on the second amendment, hell no. I get that, but I would rather have a first term liberal than a second term socialist. A first term libertarian would be great on RKBA, but that's not one of the real choices. It sucks, but that's the way I see it.

QNman
05-05-2012, 16:03
Be careful. Just a tip, if you shoot one and it drops without kicking, shoot it again. They will tend to drop and sort of run on their sides. Also, if you walk up on one and it's eyes are closed, shoot it again. Just below the ears at the level of the eyes is the best shot from the side. The vitals are farther forward than a deer, and if you shoot it like a deer behind the shoulder, it's a gut shot. From the front, draw a line between the eyes, and aim for the middle, about 1 inch above the eyes.

Happy hunting. Yes, a pistol and a rifle are recommended.

Thank you, sir.

Mister_Beefy
05-05-2012, 20:15
Why can't it be an "all of the above" situation. Oh, and add in deer and feral hogs while you are at it.





definitely yes.

and all other types of varmints, whether they go on four legs or two.

certifiedfunds
05-05-2012, 22:14
This is what happens when a bunch of math-challenged fools get loose with the vote.

The founding fathers did not envision a citizenry like this ! ... :shocked:

We must take back our country...

If we're already past the tipping point, it's over. We're in for 75 years of soviet style communism .... :frown:

.

I respectfully disagree. I think they did. I think they were very cognizant of the nature of man, and government. That is why they set forth the framework for government that they did. Problem is, we changed it and upset the balance.

Wanna fix it? See my sigline.

certifiedfunds
05-05-2012, 22:19
He can carry this:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/wallet.jpg







What is that thingy that the lcp is sitting in? And why isn't it tipping over off the edge?

Cavalry Doc
05-06-2012, 06:47
What is that thingy that the lcp is sitting in? And why isn't it tipping over off the edge?

It's a holster of course. It prints like a wallet when carried in the back pocket on those occasions I have to wear a suit and tie with a tucked in shirt. I carry that when I can't carry a real gun.

It's sitting off the end because it has the extended floor plate on the magazine. If I tried to set it up on that, it would tip over.

DOC44
05-06-2012, 06:51
It's a holster of course. It prints like a wallet when carried in the back pocket on those occasions I have to wear a suit and tie with a tucked in shirt. I carry that when I can't carry a real gun.

It's sitting off the end because it has the extended floor plate on the magazine. If I tried to set it up on that, it would tip over.

Does that holster have a built in laser?

Doc44

Cavalry Doc
05-06-2012, 06:54
Does that holster have a built in laser?

Doc44

Nope. I wouldn't mind having a laser on it, but have not got around to getting one. It's not a front burner purchase at the moment.

Stubudd
05-07-2012, 13:05
I need to invite him on a hog hunt.


Would you really if you could, or were you just sayin?

I wouldn't let him in my front door out of the rain. I agree with you on little but i'd stop to help you change a flat tire- but this man is slimeball liar. A well- documented, hundreds of times over liar, on a huge scale- lies to millions of people, repeatedly. What kind of grown man changes his position on fundamental issues repeatedly over a few years, sometimes back and forth repeatedly? A man who will say anything to get power over others. He's a repulsive snake of man, like most them up there lording over us. I wouldn't shake his hand.

certifiedfunds
05-07-2012, 18:38
It's a holster of course. It prints like a wallet when carried in the back pocket on those occasions I have to wear a suit and tie with a tucked in shirt. I carry that when I can't carry a real gun.

It's sitting off the end because it has the extended floor plate on the magazine. If I tried to set it up on that, it would tip over.

Doc - you pocket carry with an exposed trigger?

I carry at least an LCP everyday in a desantis nemesis for a few years now. Only downside is that in a tightish pair of jeans sometimes the mag release will get pressed.

DOC44
05-07-2012, 20:45
http://www.seecamp.com/LaserAimer3.jpg

Doc44

Cavalry Doc
05-08-2012, 05:37
Doc - you pocket carry with an exposed trigger?

I carry at least an LCP everyday in a desantis nemesis for a few years now. Only downside is that in a tightish pair of jeans sometimes the mag release will get pressed.

It is the ONLY thing in the pocket, usually right hip. Never put a gun in a pocket with ANYTHING else. That's how triggers get pushed to the rear.

Tell the guy at the local burger joint to hold the cheese for a week or so, and those jeans will fit right again. :whistling: (just kidding)

Cavalry Doc
05-08-2012, 06:34
Would you really if you could, or were you just sayin?

I wouldn't let him in my front door out of the rain. I agree with you on little but i'd stop to help you change a flat tire- but this man is slimeball liar. A well- documented, hundreds of times over liar, on a huge scale- lies to millions of people, repeatedly. What kind of grown man changes his position on fundamental issues repeatedly over a few years, sometimes back and forth repeatedly? A man who will say anything to get power over others. He's a repulsive snake of man, like most them up there lording over us. I wouldn't shake his hand.

Yes, if given the chance, I'd show him that there is a legitimate sporting use for an LR308 AP4, then explain why a legitimate sporting need is not a constitutional test. Would do the same with Barry.

Just because a person is a liar, doesn't mean you can't convince them that something they have said, was said in ignorance.

pugman
05-08-2012, 09:46
When will Enough be Enough?

The Federal government is like the line from Good Fellas (and ironically I describe the Fed as a legalized Mob)

"When you can't borrow another buck from the bank or buy another case of booze, you bust the joint out. You light a match..."

BTW, you and I are the bank.

Things will remain status quo as long as the federal government can get money to feed to the increasing number of Americans on some form of aid...whether this be social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Corporate Welfare or whatever.

Stubudd
05-08-2012, 18:47
Yes, if given the chance, I'd show him that there is a legitimate sporting use for an LR308 AP4, then explain why a legitimate sporting need is not a constitutional test. Would do the same with Barry.

Just because a person is a liar, doesn't mean you can't convince them that something they have said, was said in ignorance.

But can't you see it wouldn't matter if you could convince him? He'd look you straight in the eye and very sincerely say "by golly you're right, gee whiz this sure is a fine shootin shooter. Thanks for showing me how this works. It was great shootin your shooter with you, we're gonna save the country."

He'd get some pictures taken with you, and make sure they're sent to the right places for maximum exposure. Then he'd be back on the campaign trail, and consult with his team of helper liars on what position is most likely to appeal to the most people while doing the least damage with this here other group of people, and carefully craft a few lines in case the issue comes up. Then they'd adjust the lines depending on which group they're talking to next. He'd never think about it again, unless he was in your town on a stop, then maybe he might mention that fine shootin shooter you showed him last time, gee golly i love shootin shooters.

I think you just really don't understand what these people are. A regular decent person just can't understand people like this. He'll tell any lie any time, to any amount of people, or at least bend and distort the truth beyond recognition. It's an incomprehensible kind of behavior most of us can't even conceive of, and it's his everyday world. Most all of them up there are doing it all the time. There is nothing you could do that would ever change his mind- he doesn't even have a mind to change, lol. He's a projection of a storyline, a crafted persona, just like the guy he'll be up against- a tool for the preservation of the power of a few.

QNman
05-08-2012, 21:05
But can't you see it wouldn't matter if you could convince him? He'd look you straight in the eye and very sincerely say "by golly you're right, gee whiz this sure is a fine shootin shooter. Thanks for showing me how this works. It was great shootin your shooter with you, we're gonna save the country."

He'd get some pictures taken with you, and make sure they're sent to the right places for maximum exposure. Then he'd be back on the campaign trail, and consult with his team of helper liars on what position is most likely to appeal to the most people while doing the least damage with this here other group of people, and carefully craft a few lines in case the issue comes up. Then they'd adjust the lines depending on which group they're talking to next. He'd never think about it again, unless he was in your town on a stop, then maybe he might mention that fine shootin shooter you showed him last time, gee golly i love shootin shooters.

I think you just really don't understand what these people are. A regular decent person just can't understand people like this. He'll tell any lie any time, to any amount of people, or at least bend and distort the truth beyond recognition. It's an incomprehensible kind of behavior most of us can't even conceive of, and it's his everyday world. Most all of them up there are doing it all the time. There is nothing you could do that would ever change his mind- he doesn't even have a mind to change, lol. He's a projection of a storyline, a crafted persona, just like the guy he'll be up against- a tool for the preservation of the power of a few.

We do what we do because that defines who WE are. Not because of a guaranteed result; not because it makes others better but because the doing makes US better for having done it.

I'd take him out shooting too. And if he didn't get it, it wouldn't be because I gave up or because I dismissed him for my own prejudgment.

certifiedfunds
05-08-2012, 21:12
It is the ONLY thing in the pocket, usually right hip. Never put a gun in a pocket with ANYTHING else. That's how triggers get pushed to the rear.

Tell the guy at the local burger joint to hold the cheese for a week or so, and those jeans will fit right again. :whistling: (just kidding)

The jeans have been getting tight.

Honestly, my concern would be removing it from the pocket either routinely or with adrenaline pumping.

Not flaming. I know you know how to handle guns. It would just be my personal comfort level.

Stubudd
05-08-2012, 21:20
We do what we do because that defines who WE are. Not because of a guaranteed result; not because it makes others better but because the doing makes US better for having done it.

I'd take him out shooting too. And if he didn't get it, it wouldn't be because I gave up or because I dismissed him for my own prejudgment.

Well the point was i don't hang out with lying false snakes of people if i can help it, and i was wondering whether he really would if he could, knowing what he knows about this "man".

Whether he 'got" it or not wouldn't matter, he's gonna keep lying, because that's who he is. Whether you gave up or tried hard or dismissed him or totally won him over, it could never matter. He's an actor; he's false- he's always gonna say what he thinks people want to hear, regardless of whatever he might believe.