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Redstate
05-05-2012, 08:25
Just got my new Gen 4 G26. Field stripped it and noticed how easily the recoil spring came out (very little tension).

I then noticed that if I rode the slide a little to reset the trigger, as opposed to letting it go, the slide would not go into full battery. I chalked it up to a need for break-in, although I have never had such a thing happen with any of the various Glocks I own.

Fired 50 rounds of 124 gr. Lawman and 50 rounds of WWB. It ran perfectly. Brass going where it supposed to and no issues of any kind.

Go to field strip it. Can't get the slide off. Yep, the magazine was out and the trigger pulled. I'm thinking WTH. Turns out the the recoil spring had fallen out of its retention slot and I had to pull back on it to re-seat it in order to get the slide off. Now it appears that my reciever has a little gouge mark where the recoil spring may have caught it when I tried to get the slide off.

Okay, I am a bit perplexed and am foucsing on the recoil spring as the cause of the issue. It still does not go into full battery if I don't let the slide go back fast.

I have a Gen 3 G27 and G26. I thought I would try the recoil springs of those 2 and there was no issue with the slide going to full battery no matter how I rode it.

The recoil spring looks a lot different form those on my Gen 3's. It has the numbers (going counterclockwise) 0, 1(or it could be a 7) and 8.

Questions: Anyone have a similar issue? Anyone know anything about whether these new recoil springs are designed to have what appears to be less tension, or maybe I just got a weak one, or maybe my diagnosis it incorrect? Any other thoughs are welcome.

Oh, by the way, I do plan on going out and shooting it again today to see if the problem with the slide not coming off duplicates. This is my main concern.

EDIT: Note that riding the slide and it not going into full battery was being done without a magazine in the pistol or with an empty magazine in the pistol. Of course, there was no round in the chamber(empty gun).

Brad55102
05-05-2012, 08:41
i would give Glock a call.
you probably got a bad spring.
they will send you a new one

voyager4520
05-05-2012, 09:10
I've heard that the new 0-8 and 0-8-1 sub-compact guide rods are a little weaker but I've never used one. I agree with Brad, call Glock. With the unloaded gun, the slide should go into battery while slowly easing the slide forward.

If the little gouge in the frame looks like this, it's normal. It's pretty common in sub-compacts and Gen4's, some have it and some don't. It's not a problem, that area just didn't get filled in with plastic thoroughly, and that plastic isn't structurally important.
http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m596/DrMaxit/GlockCrack.jpg?t=1286697217

Redstate
05-05-2012, 09:30
Thanks for the responses thus far. I will call Glock on Monday to see if I can get a new recoil spring.

Voyager, thanks for the photo; that is not the mark. The mark was not there before I shot it. The mark is near the tip of the little bullet shaped mold mark forward of the mark to which you refer and behind the serial number plate slot. It is a minor gouge like mark.
Not too concerned about the mark. I just think it was caused when I tried to pull the slide off when the recoil spring metal end may have got stuck there.

voyager4520
05-05-2012, 09:35
Here's a thread about a similar wear mark:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1347335

Redstate
05-05-2012, 12:25
Update. But, first, thank you again,Voyager, for the link. That photo in the link shows what appears to be wear in the approximate area of mine. Mine, however, is more toward the tip of the bullet shaped mold mark and is extremely minor in comparison. My "gouge" is more of like the thinness of the metal end of the recoil spring. It looks like the end it just kind of caught in there and then there is a very slight scuff in front of the "gouge". The "gouge" is also very shallow. Maybe "gouge" isn't the right word to describe it. Bottom line is that it is extremely minor.

Now for the update. Put 50 rounds of Blazer Aluminum through it. It ran with Glock Perfection, just like the previous 100 rounds mentioned above. After every 10 rounds in the first 30, I took the slide off with no problem. After the last 20 rounds, I took the slide off with no problem and observed that the "gouge" has not changed. Still extremely minor. Nevertheless, it still will not go into full battery when empty if I ride the slide.

By the way, this little Gen 4 G26 is a great little shooter. At this point, I don't know whether I like it better than my Gen 3 G26 in so far as its feel. Using it with no backstrap attachment.

Rustin
05-05-2012, 12:38
I was a little worried when I first got my Gen4 G26. If I manipulated it just right, I could get it to get out of battery but it would always come back into battery if I moved it even just a tad. I went and shot it and stopped worrying.

sgtlmj
05-05-2012, 12:51
All Glock RSAs fall out of the assembly notch the first time the slide is cycled. That's why if you just take the slide off without disassembling it further, you need to make sure to push the RSA back into the notch before returning the slide to the frame.

The function test for spring pressure is to point the pistol straight up and let the slide ride forward while keeping the trigger pulled to the rear.

Redstate
05-05-2012, 17:07
All Glock RSAs fall out of the assembly notch the first time the slide is cycled. That's why if you just take the slide off without disassembling it further, you need to make sure to push the RSA back into the notch before returning the slide to the frame.
...

I understand that they do move slightly out of the notch; but, I think this one came out further than normal because it appeared to be what hung up. It was only after I was able to re-seat it that the slide came off. It wasn't easy to re-seat (difficult to get fingers in there). I may be wrong; but, I can't think of any other reason, based on the "gouge" and the fact that slide came off easily after I re-seated the RSA.

Also, I am positive that it was properly seated before I shot it. I always check on all my Glocks to make sure the RSA is properly seated before I put the slide back on. It is habit.

EDIT: Although I am "positive" that I properly seated the RSA before firing, I am imperfect, and I could have screwed up that time.

Radian
05-05-2012, 18:32
All my glocks (and Baer 1911's) will not return to battery if you ride the slide or otherwise improperly operate the pistol (jam it into someones gut or into a car window for example). Good news is it will not blow up in your face and fire out of battery. Revolvers are better for that scenario.

Go run 1000 rounds through it and this will become a non-issue. Mine is on the 3500 mark or so with zero issues.

Redstate
05-05-2012, 19:34
Thanks Radain; but, it doesn't do it with the RSA's from my Gen 3 G26 and G27. In fact, I cannot recall any of my other Glocks ever doing this.
I did note that the RSA looks very different than the Gen 3 RSA's.

voyager4520
05-06-2012, 03:27
I did note that the RSA looks very different than the Gen 3 RSA's.
They've redesigned the sub-compact RSA's to the same manufacturing process as the larger Gen4 guide rods, giving them some of the same extra features like the inner extended piece of plastic on the muzzle cap. The 0-8-1 supposedly has a thin metal washer at the muzzle end to keep the larger outer spring from going over the plastic muzzle cap slightly, as could happen with the older versions.

Redstate
05-06-2012, 10:14
Thanks again Voyager. Do you happen to know the pound weight of the new version vs. the older versions, if there is any difference? As indicated above, mine 0-8-1 appears to possibly be weaker.

MikeG36
05-06-2012, 10:34
All Glock RSAs fall out of the assembly notch the first time the slide is cycled. That's why if you just take the slide off without disassembling it further, you need to make sure to push the RSA back into the notch before returning the slide to the frame.

The function test for spring pressure is to point the pistol straight up and let the slide ride forward while keeping the trigger pulled to the rear.

:agree:

voyager4520
05-06-2012, 10:37
I've never tried an 0-8 or 0-8-1. I have a couple of the older RSA's for my G27 and with both, the slide closes completely no matter how slowly I let the slide go forward.

Radian
05-06-2012, 12:10
During this event is there ammo in the gun? does it do the same thing without ammo?

If it goes bang, its fine.

Redstate
05-06-2012, 18:28
During this event is there ammo in the gun? does it do the same thing without ammo?

If it goes bang, its fine.

No ammo in the gun. Most of the time I don't even have a magazine in gun. If there is a magazine in the gun, the magazine and gun are empty.

When shooting, it does go bang every time. Just put 50 WWB and 10 Gold Dot +p through it this afternoon. Total round count is now 210 and it runs great. Interestingly, unlike my other Glocks, it puts the shells in somewhat of a pile, comparatively speaking.
I guess my concern is that if the RSA is weak, could that result in "frame battering" issues?

tango44
05-06-2012, 18:55
Tagged.

Radian
05-06-2012, 19:39
Have a second person look at this. Mine goes back to battery under all conditions, even with resistance on the slide (thumb, riding it, etc).

Never hurts.

After fiddling with mine it will not go in backwards. It does stick after trying to insert it backwards but then functions normally.

Redstate
05-06-2012, 20:40
Radian, do you have the new RSA 0-8-1? All my other Glocks never fail to go to battery no matter how much I ride the slide. They have older RSA's.

I have looked at my RSA 0-8-1 (or 0-1-8) closer. It is difficult to explain; but, it appears to have some kind of double action to it compared to my older G26 and G27 RSA's. It has a metal cap enclosing another spring and it feels like it slightly hangs up at the end of the metal cap. As stated previously without any rounds in the gun and without any magazine, I tried racking the slide a little less so the the metal cap did not pop out and it won't fail to go into battery no matter how slow I ride the slide. But if I rack the slide back a little further to where the metal cap pops out, then it fails to go into battery only when I ride the slide.

This may very well be a design function, and there probably is nothing wrong with the RSA. It may be just as strong as the older RSA's.

I would be curious to see if anyone else is having this experience with the new RSA in the subcompacts. If you try this, before you do, make sure there is no round in the chamber (empty gun) and the magazine is out of the gun.

Radian
05-07-2012, 05:08
Mine is the original part. it appears to have no numerical markings.

I would feel comfortable as long as it functions under normal circumstance. IE, fires reliably (even if you ride the slide) and reloads reliably.

If it pushes out of battery in a holster during a press check and will not go back to battery, the part is broken. I would send it back under that circumstance.

Redstate
05-07-2012, 18:48
Update: Went to work this morning. My co-employee friend just picked up a Gen4 G26 on Saturday. It is very close to my serial number and has the new RSA as well. He had not shot it yet.

I could not get his empty gun with no magazine to fail to go into battery no matter how much I rode the slide. The RSA on his G26 had a very smooth operation, unlike the RSA on mine which seems to have a catch spot.

I called Glock, and they are sending me a new RSA.

By the way, my friend later put 100 rounds of WWB through it when we went to the range during lunch, and it operated perfectly.

Redstate
05-21-2012, 17:57
Good news. Got the Glock 0-8 RSA, and tried it today. Works great. No more issues with the RSA. Put 100 rounds of WWB and 10 rounds of Gold Dot +p through it today. It now has a total of 320 flawless rounds.:supergrin:

MikeZ1967
09-09-2012, 16:44
I just received a new G26. I haven't fired it yet. It has the same "out of battery" issue as described in this thread. With an empty chamber and empty mag or no mag at all, it won't go into full battery when I pull the slide back and let go. If I pull back hard and let it really snap forward, it works fine. I will be calling Glock in the morning.

.38 super
09-09-2012, 16:59
Here's a thread about a similar wear mark:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1347335
Sorry about the off-topic, but does anybody have any idea why when I click on the link above I get this message ?
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1.Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?

2.If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.It also happens when I try to open my own posts... :shocked:

voyager4520
09-09-2012, 19:15
^ If a thread is really old it can't be accessed any more.

ScumPunisher
10-25-2012, 14:47
I recently (as in 2 weeks ago) got my g26 Gen4 and it has the same failure to cycle into battery you are describing. My Glock had a test fire date of June 12th this year so it's a new RSA, so a replacement would be the same thing. I honestly think it may be because (at least in my case) of the gouge in the plastic that was pointed out in a previous post. Mine is huge and it seems that this is where it is sticking. I've had 150 rds of cheap **** PMC 115gr standard pressure ball through it to break it in and it still does it. One thing I have noticed though, is that when trying to replicate the problem for the photos below, I had trouble keeping the slide in it's "jammed" state. What i mean is, if I slightly swing the gun around at all it kicks forward. When it was new outta box, before the 150 rds and a clean and lube, it was way more firmly locked into this position.

Is this where yours locks up at?

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t91/SSZyklon_B/CAM00112.jpg

and here's that huge gouge I was talking about...

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t91/SSZyklon_B/CAM00109.jpg

.38 super
10-25-2012, 14:49
^ If a thread is really old it can't be accessed any more.

That's too bad isn't it ? Is it any way I can access an archive ?

jnc54
10-29-2012, 18:53
My new gen 4 26 that I purchased last thur 10/24/12 failed to go into battery when I inserted a full mag into it and tried to chamber the first rd. If I bumped the slide a little it went in to battery. It looked just like the picture above and it has the same scratch mark in the same location. Maybe not as deep. RSA 0 8 1.

I shot 50 rds thru it sat and then took it down for inspection. The scratch seems to be about the same but now it has scuff marks behind the the scratch going toward the slide lock.

tango44
10-29-2012, 19:10
So now that Glock complicates the thing putting numbers to the Subcompact RSA's, what's the right one for a G26 Gen3?

smitret
10-29-2012, 22:04
I had an early G27. BVK***US

Not knowing how many rounds on used gun recoil spring I ordered a new one from Glock.
New one #081 would allow slide to hang up as described above.
Called Glock and explained problem.
Was sent free #081 which Glock said was pretested.
Still same FTRTB letting slide return easy.
Function was good at range when firing.
The hangup is in the spring when the 2nd stage starts to apply pressure.
Choosing not to be Glock's field tester I traded the weapon.

Good Luck

AJE
10-29-2012, 23:27
I had an early G27. BVK***US

Not knowing how many rounds on used gun recoil spring I ordered a new one from Glock.
New one #081 would allow slide to hang up as described above.
Called Glock and explained problem.
Was sent free #081 which Glock said was pretested.
Still same FTRTB letting slide return easy.
Function was good at range when firing.
The hangup is in the spring when the 2nd stage starts to apply pressure.
Choosing not to be Glock's field tester I traded the weapon.

Good Luck

I didn't think they were putting gen 4 recoil springs into the old guns.

It still would have been a dual spring but there were differences.

Sgt.K
10-30-2012, 08:18
At the GSSF match I just attended the Armorer put a 0-8 in my ancient G26 Gen 2.5. Haven't fired it yet but no matter how I operate the slide it returns to battery. Just FYI.

And ScumPunisher I believe what you are seeing is the "normal" mold mark. I think the scratches most are referring to are in the scalloped area right in front of what you are seeing.

9mmdude
10-30-2012, 15:23
I didn't think they were putting gen 4 recoil springs into the old guns.

It still would have been a dual spring but there were differences.

New Gen3's coming from the factory have Gen4 recoil springs.

JesseA
10-30-2012, 18:07
Order a SS guide rod and call it good

Shrugged
11-07-2012, 18:12
I recently (as in 2 weeks ago) got my g26 Gen4 and it has the same failure to cycle into battery you are describing. My Glock had a test fire date of June 12th this year so it's a new RSA, so a replacement would be the same thing.

Did you ever figure out a solution? I just picked up a Gen 4 G26 today (with a test fire date of June 11th 2012) and it's behaving the same way yours is. It looks identical to the picture you took.

SCmasterblaster
11-07-2012, 18:16
Good news. Got the Glock 0-8 RSA, and tried it today. Works great. No more issues with the RSA. Put 100 rounds of WWB and 10 rounds of Gold Dot +p through it today. It now has a total of 320 flawless rounds.:supergrin:

Nice to see it. Glock came through for you!

ScumPunisher
11-07-2012, 18:26
Shrugged,

Apparently you can.contavt Glock CS and they will send u a replacement. I haven't done this yet but I am going to tomorrow. I locked the slide back to expose that metal shroud on the rsa and lightly lubed it to see if that would help, but alas it doesn't so don't bother trying that. The good news is I put another 100 rds through it since my last post and still have not one ftf, fte, or any instance when the slide stayed like that during normal operation. I feel 100% comfortable carrying my g26 as my edc while I wait for the new rsa. It should always be a habit to have your thumb on the back of the slide while reholstering and drawing anyway, as this motion also is used as a safety measure for a hammered pistol and is good to make a habit of.

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SCmasterblaster
11-07-2012, 18:39
Shrugged,

Apparently you can.contavt Glock CS and they will send u a replacement. I haven't done this yet but I am going to tomorrow. I locked the slide back to expose that metal shroud on the rsa and lightly lubed it to see if that would help, but alas it doesn't so don't bother trying that. The good news is I put another 100 rds through it since my last post and still have not one ftf, fte, or any instance when the slide stayed like that during normal operation. I feel 100% comfortable carrying my g26 as my edc while I wait for the new rsa. It should always be a habit to have your thumb on the back of the slide while reholstering and drawing anyway, as this motion also is used as a safety measure for a hammered pistol and is good to make a habit of.


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He got it fixed. See post No. 23.

ScumPunisher
11-07-2012, 18:41
Ah, well there ya go!

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SCmasterblaster
11-07-2012, 19:10
Ah, well there ya go!

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I like your Latin signature. :cool: I am prepared for war now that BHO was re-elected.

Shrugged
11-07-2012, 19:19
Shrugged,

Apparently you can.contavt Glock CS and they will send u a replacement. I haven't done this yet but I am going to tomorrow. I locked the slide back to expose that metal shroud on the rsa and lightly lubed it to see if that would help, but alas it doesn't so don't bother trying that. The good news is I put another 100 rds through it since my last post and still have not one ftf, fte, or any instance when the slide stayed like that during normal operation. I feel 100% comfortable carrying my g26 as my edc while I wait for the new rsa. It should always be a habit to have your thumb on the back of the slide while reholstering and drawing anyway, as this motion also is used as a safety measure for a hammered pistol and is good to make a habit of.

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Thanks for the info. Going to give Glock a call tomorrow. I agree with you about the thumb on the back of the slide while holstering - have been in the habit of doing that for quite some time (the other edc is a P228 with a hammer).

I wouldn't worry about carrying the gun either, but it will be nice to get the RSA swapped out so that it functions flawlessly.

SCmasterblaster
11-07-2012, 19:25
Thanks for the info. Going to give Glock a call tomorrow. I agree with you about the thumb on the back of the slide while holstering - have been in the habit of doing that for quite some time (the other edc is a P228 with a hammer).

I wouldn't worry about carrying the gun either, but it will be nice to get the RSA swapped out so that it functions flawlessly.

I read recently that Glock GA is now making Glock pistols. Maybe soon they'll make domestic G25s (.380s).

mongo356
11-07-2012, 20:44
Per my Glock Dist mgr- The Gen 3 & 4 G26, G27, G33 share the same recoil spring now. All are a Gen 4 type either an 0-8 or 0-8-1

My understanding is the 0-8 came out first then the 0-8-1.

Then Glock upgraded the end of the RSA to include a washer on the 0-8-1. They were trying to keep the spring from slipping off of the end (large plastic oops polymer end) of the RSA during disassembly, while rare still happens once in a while.

The problem with the 0-8-1, the washer slightly out of spec, will sometimes bind and cause the FTRB especially when operated slowly.

Now for my guesses:
1- not all washers are made equal, 2- after some use the washer may wear down (break in) some and not cause a problem. 3- new RSA from Glock may have a smaller tolerance washer on the end and work like a charm without problems.

nraman
11-08-2012, 00:20
Just got my new Gen 4 G26.....

So did I, it works exactly the same way as the Gen 3, I don't see or feel anything different.

nraman
11-08-2012, 00:48
Per my Glock Dist mgr- The Gen 3 & 4 G26, G27, G33 share the same recoil spring now. All are a Gen 4 type either an 0-8 or 0-8-1

My latest G26 has the 0-8-1. Does this spring have its own part number or the part number is the same regardless of the version of the spring? I would like to upgrade the springs in my other baby Glocks.

mongo356
11-08-2012, 18:28
nraman- i'm not sure on the part numbers. I think they are the same part number, but i'm not positive.

I order my parts from Glockparts.com because I hate to wait for the Glock mothership to send them.

nraman
11-08-2012, 21:41
nraman- i'm not sure on the part numbers. I think they are the same part number, but i'm not positive.

I order my parts from Glockparts.com because I hate to wait for the Glock mothership to send them.

I just ordered three from the mothership. I am not in a hurry, I am sure I will get the latest, it is cheaper and less for shipping than the usual places.
Glock must be the only manufacturer that sells their parts cheaper than stores.

ScumPunisher
11-27-2012, 18:35
Just an update, the fedex guy was walking up to my building right as I was headed out the door to go to the range the other day. It was my new rsa from Glock! Popped it in on the way out and it rtb flawlessly no matter how slow I let the slide back or tried.to have it ftrb. Wife and I dumped 200 rds at the range and all is well. The new rsa is the same 081 as my defective original. Must have been a bad batch of them mid year 2012 or something!

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Saleen
02-18-2013, 07:53
I just bought a brand new US made Glock 26 GEN 3 this weekend. Test fire date 11/5/12. I'm having the same issues as in this thread. Slide wont return to full battery and also has the frame mark/gouge. My RSA has 0-8-1 on it as well. This is really dissapointing that i have a brand new gun with issues. I would have thought that Glock would have figured out these issues by now. I called them this morning and they are sending out a new RSA. I really hope this fixes the issue. Did everybody in this thread with the same issue have their problem solved by a new RSA?

Redstate
02-18-2013, 09:32
Saleen, my issues that I described resolved with a new RSA. See my previous posts, particularly, post #23 in this thread. Good luck.

mongo356
02-18-2013, 09:49
Saleen,

I bought a NIB G27 with a 0-8-1 spring and it wouldn't pass the 90 degree/slowly close the slide recoil spring test. even if slowly closed at 180 it still would hang up, but if I let it close with force it would return to battery. I took the spring out and carefully worked the spring with the washer over the end of the metal sleeve and upon return you could feel the washer catch on the sleeve.

I swapped with a 0-8 spring no problems.

I called Glock and they sent me a new 0-8-1 spring. The new 0-8-1 also worked flawlessly no problems. I think either the metal sleeve or the washer on the end has a tendancy to be a little out of spec and cause problems I guess the good part is if its bad it will show up immediatly.

Best of luck.

Cybercowboy
02-18-2013, 10:28
I just bought a brand new US made Glock 26 GEN 3 this weekend. Test fire date 11/5/12. I'm having the same issues as in this thread. Slide wont return to full battery and also has the frame mark/gouge. My RSA has 0-8-1 on it as well. This is really dissapointing that i have a brand new gun with issues. I would have thought that Glock would have figured out these issues by now. I called them this morning and they are sending out a new RSA. I really hope this fixes the issue. Did everybody in this thread with the same issue have their problem solved by a new RSA?

I've posted about this very issue in a similar thread, concerning my new Gen 4 G26. I bought the pistol new in November of last year and immediately noticed this. I called Glock customer support and told them about it. The rep asked me where I was getting this "being a problem". I admitted the weapon fired without any problems.

I decided to just go ahead and buy a stainless RSA because I wanted one anyway. Purchased a Glockmeister GMSSR26CS RSA and it totally and completely fixed me right up. Just FYI.

Saleen
02-18-2013, 13:56
Thanks guys. I have a new one coming in from Glock and I also ordered a SS rod from BT guide rods. I'm sure one of those will for sure.

Saleen
03-10-2013, 15:12
Just an update, got my replacement rsa from glock and my stainless steel rsa from BT guide rods. Both new springs completely fix the issue. But damn, the BT guide rod is one stout looking/made rsa. It's very very well made and quite a bit heavier which will definitely help out with muzzle flip. In fact holding my two oem glock rsa together, the BT still weighs significantly more than both. I love the BT and it will be staying in the gun for sure.

sgt rock
03-10-2013, 15:54
My new Gen 4 26 does this a little bit but functions flawlessly , i'll keep shooting it and see what happens.

Farmalljon
03-10-2013, 16:12
38 Super, I get the same message when I try the link.

.38 super
03-10-2013, 21:29
38 Super, I get the same message when I try the link.
It's an old thread but sometimes I like to dig in old threads for reference and getting to this message is confusing, because I don't think that my account is limited or something... One of the members here did explain it to me but still - there are plenty of busy forums where they archive old threads...
I wish my saved threads were preserved... Most of them disappeared too... :wow: