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Mountain10mm
05-07-2012, 16:25
Why don't any of the big 1911 manufacturers make a stock 2011 frame? Are they something Infinity/SVI has a patent on? Kimber, Colt, Remington, Dan Wesson, Springfield, Smith and Wesson...as far as I know, none offer a 2011 frame (high capacity) in a 1911 platform. I'd love one in 10mm, but gosh, can't even find a mainstream one in 45ACP. Para had hi-cap frames back in the early 90's...and still does, but I've heard their quality is now in question. Maybe everyone but me likes the flat, seven round magazines.

fnfalman
05-07-2012, 18:35
Supply & demand.

Not too many people wants a gigantic grip M1911.

Mountain10mm
05-08-2012, 10:51
fnfalman, no offense, but I don't buy the grip size argument. The grips are not any bigger than a full size duty weapon, e.g. Beretta 92, Glock 20/21, a K or N frame revolver. Ok, for concealed carry I would agree with you, but a OWB duty gun, nope.

cyrsequipment
05-08-2012, 11:26
There are a few manufacturers that are making double stack 1911-type weapons, para, STI even rock island. For whatever reason, and FAL might have a point, they don't sell nearly as well as single stack 1911s.
But if you want one, your best bet is to buy and STI frame and build one.

Snaps
05-08-2012, 22:11
fnfalman, no offense, but I don't buy the grip size argument. The grips are not any bigger than a full size duty weapon, e.g. Beretta 92, Glock 20/21, a K or N frame revolver. Ok, for concealed carry I would agree with you, but a OWB duty gun, nope.

see those people who would buy that, are the ones buying the glocks, the berettas, etc...

1911 people don't want the bigger grip. That's why the ones they do make don't sell near as well as the standard ones.

TTM65
05-08-2012, 22:21
I have built a few in my shop, I rarely have a customer ask for a wide body. We are doing one currently in 40 cal for a competative shooter who requested it but 99% of the time people want single stack. When I do build one though I just use the Casian widbody frames.

B.Reid
05-08-2012, 22:40
STI makes a double stack 10mm I think they call it the Ultimate 10.

bac1023
05-09-2012, 11:37
Mainly because they're building 1911s and that's not what the 2011 is.

The demand just isn't there. I know I don't buy them.

BTW, "2011" is a term used by STI. Most companies simply call them double stacks, Infinity included.

Shadyscott69
05-09-2012, 12:30
Just buy and STI. They make great guns.

Mountain10mm
05-10-2012, 11:01
I am aware of STI's 10mm guns and their 2011 frames. I've shot them before, on TV. The guns we shot were awesome, but very finicky about ammunition. The 10mm they make has a 6" barrel; I'd like something a little smaller. Volkmann Precision has offered to make a custom 10mm on a STI 2011 frame for me, but it's expensive. I could have two barrels with it and shoot 40SW in the limited competition bracket.

I could be wrong, but I don't understand why the demand isn't there. Many police departments are now letting officers carry 1911 style guns; if I could get a double stack 1911, at a reasonable price, I'd carry it on duty in a heartbeat - all the advantages of single action trigger, and the capacity of a polymer DAO. Not saying that companies have to stop making the single stacks, I like their grip and lack of girth too, but I think the market's there for the wide bodies. Given the incredible short supply of STI guns, I’d imagine most people have not picked on up. They are not heavy, nor overly thick.

FLIPPER 348
05-10-2012, 13:19
fnfalman, no offense, but I don't buy the grip size argument.


fat gripped 1911s do not appeal to 1911 fans, never have, never will

bac1023
05-10-2012, 13:40
Just buy and STI. They make great guns.

:agree:

If you want a great 2011 for a reasonable price, look no further.

SVI builds the best, but prices are much, much higher than STI.

bac1023
05-10-2012, 13:42
fat gripped 1911s do not appeal to 1911 fans, never have, never will

This ^

I'd say at least three quarters of 1911 fanatics won't nothing to do with double stack 1911-style pistols.

That's just an opinion of course. :embarassed:

Shadyscott69
05-10-2012, 14:00
:agree:

If you want a great 2011 for a reasonable price, look no further.

SVI builds the best, but prices are much, much higher than STI.

Yep!My next racegun will most likely be a SVI IMM just like this...

http://www.sviguns.com/photo_gallery/218.jpg

Shadyscott69
05-10-2012, 14:08
I am aware of STI's 10mm guns and their 2011 frames. I've shot them before, on TV. The guns we shot were awesome, but very finicky about ammunition. The 10mm they make has a 6" barrel; I'd like something a little smaller. Volkmann Precision has offered to make a custom 10mm on a STI 2011 frame for me, but it's expensive. I could have two barrels with it and shoot 40SW in the limited competition bracket.

I could be wrong, but I don't understand why the demand isn't there. Many police departments are now letting officers carry 1911 style guns; if I could get a double stack 1911, at a reasonable price, I'd carry it on duty in a heartbeat - all the advantages of single action trigger, and the capacity of a polymer DAO. Not saying that companies have to stop making the single stacks, I like their grip and lack of girth too, but I think the market's there for the wide bodies. Given the incredible short supply of STI guns, Iíd imagine most people have not picked on up. They are not heavy, nor overly thick.

Part of the problem is probably how finiky these guns are. The mags are generally horrible and VERY expensive to make them run reliably. I have about $150 each in my USPSA Limited mags. I also have a couple G's above the price of the gun in custom work. I never misses a beat now. I wouldn't hesitate to carry my STI now. Before Abernathy worked it over... not so much.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu106/shadyscott999/IMAG0142-1.jpg

bac1023
05-10-2012, 14:37
Yep!My next racegun will most likely be a SVI IMM just like this...

http://www.sviguns.com/photo_gallery/218.jpg

Very nice

My SVI 1911 is my avatar this month. :)

B.Reid
05-10-2012, 16:30
Part of the problem is probably how finiky these guns are. The mags are generally horrible and VERY expensive to make them run reliably. I have about $150 each in my USPSA Limited mags. I also have a couple G's above the price of the gun in custom work. I never misses a beat now. I wouldn't hesitate to carry my STI now. Before Abernathy worked it over... not so much.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu106/shadyscott999/IMAG0142-1.jpg

Strang, mine has run great out of the box, I haven't even taken one of the mags apart yet.

fnfalman
05-10-2012, 23:44
fnfalman, no offense, but I don't buy the grip size argument. The grips are not any bigger than a full size duty weapon, e.g. Beretta 92, Glock 20/21, a K or N frame revolver. Ok, for concealed carry I would agree with you, but a OWB duty gun, nope.

I don't know about you, but for many people the Beretta 92 and Glock 20/21 grips are quite large.

BuckyP
05-11-2012, 06:35
Just for fun, I figured I'd pull out the calipers.


STI 2011 w/ slight grip reduction .......... 1.250
SV Wide body (grip mod) .................... 1.260
Caspian Wide Body .......................... 1.100
Para P14 ................................... 1.375
Single Stack .40 w/ Shredder Grips ......... 1.325
Springfield SS with VZ Grips ................1.290
Factory STI (no grip mods) ................. 1.280


All the wide bodies with exception of the Para do not need grip panels, so they can be even narrower than 1911 with standard grips. I know they make narrow grips for the single stack, which would change the numbers. :dunno:

Shadyscott69
05-11-2012, 09:42
Strang, mine has run great out of the box, I haven't even taken one of the mags apart yet.

Wasn't saying mine was a hunk o junk, just not something I would have carried for SD. It would choke 1-2 times every 3-500 rounds. It was chambered VERY tight.

After Jeff, nada. I shot it in a class a couple weeks ago and went 1300+ rounds with only one FTF. That was at about round number 1100 and directly after i dropped it in the sand. Quick shot of brake cleaner and tick tock.

Shadyscott69
05-11-2012, 09:45
Just for fun, I figured I'd pull out the calipers.


STI 2011 w/ slight grip reduction .......... 1.250
SV Wide body (grip mod) .................... 1.260
Caspian Wide Body .......................... 1.100
Para P14 ................................... 1.375
Single Stack .40 w/ Shredder Grips ......... 1.325
Springfield SS with VZ Grips ................1.290
Factory STI (no grip mods) ................. 1.280


All the wide bodies with exception of the Para do not need grip panels, so they can be even narrower than 1911 with standard grips. I know they make narrow grips for the single stack, which would change the numbers. :dunno:

I was gonna say the same thing. My STI is no larger in grip size than my single stacks. It does feel wider though. It believe it is the radius on the front of the grip being larger. You don't have the "step down" in size in front of the grips like on a SS. it maintains the same width all the way to the radius. :dunno:

fnfalman
05-11-2012, 10:24
I was gonna say the same thing. My STI is no larger in grip size than my single stacks. It does feel wider though. It believe it is the radius on the front of the grip being larger. You don't have the "step down" in size in front of the grips like on a SS. it maintains the same width all the way to the radius. :dunno:

You got it right. Total numbers alone don't tell the whole story.

texmex
05-16-2012, 15:29
One of the fun things about 1911s is customizing it. Tons of accessories are available for single stacks. Thumb safeties, grip safeties, grips, magazines, magazine wells, extractors, ejectors, triggers, sears, hammers, 22 conversion kits. Some of these things are compatible with wide bodies but lots arenít.
One thing I have noticed is the difference between wide body 45s and single stacks when wearing them in a holster. Since the ammo is in the grip, all that weight is above the holster. When you put 13 or more rounds of 45 ammo in the magazine, it just feels different. It is like the weapon is trying to lean over or rock sometimes. It definitely changes the balance of the weapon in the hand when firing. You can feel the balance change as the ammo is depleted.

In the old days, the choice was between a 45 holding 7 rounds in the magazine or a 9mm holding a dozen or more in the magazine. Now that we can have the best of both worlds, it seems like what we had to begin with wasnít so bad after all. It must drive the firearms companies crazy. The gun magazines and consumers talk about what they want the company to start making or resume making, and then it doesnít sell in the numbers they hoped for. The timing of the assault weapons ban was bad for the wide body companies also. Just when STI and Para Ordnance were beginning to catch on, the 10 round limit on magazines made them irrelevant. Some areas still have this in effect. If you tell someone they canít have something, they want it twice as bad. Then when they can have it, they donít want it anymore. Go figure.

knedrgr
05-16-2012, 20:46
Just for fun, I figured I'd pull out the calipers.


STI 2011 w/ slight grip reduction .......... 1.250
SV Wide body (grip mod) .................... 1.260
Caspian Wide Body .......................... 1.100
Para P14 ................................... 1.375
Single Stack .40 w/ Shredder Grips ......... 1.325
Springfield SS with VZ Grips ................1.290
Factory STI (no grip mods) ................. 1.280


All the wide bodies with exception of the Para do not need grip panels, so they can be even narrower than 1911 with standard grips. I know they make narrow grips for the single stack, which would change the numbers. :dunno:


Nice info!
And yes, they don't feel any wider. Just fills up the palms more with the more square cut on the front and back straps.

Quack
05-24-2012, 22:27
My newest 2012 built by John Harrison

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Rinspeed
05-25-2012, 11:02
My newest 2012 built by John Harrison

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Business must be good. :whistling:

Quack
05-25-2012, 11:06
Business is the same, just doing deals.

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kld
06-04-2012, 18:39
I carry STI VIP most of the time. I would like to see more 2011 framed guns.

Kingtubby
06-06-2012, 17:14
I know the RIA is making a 1911 with hicap mags, 14rds I believe, and they werent that expensive. I looked into finding one as well and it was hard to find. I emailed the company though and they didnt say they werent making it anymore. Here is a milspec version, out of stock, from budsgunshop: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/876/products_id/411539728/Handguns/Rock+Island+Armory/Rock%20Island%20Armory%20Mil%20Spec%20High%20Cap%20M1911A2/

Id try contacting RIA first, get their recommendation for a shop, then special order it. If this isnt what your looking for, given the mention of a 2011 platform, I apologize.

Veedubklown
06-06-2012, 20:59
Bul M-5?

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-05-14_16-58-08_271.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-04-13_21-29-28_0.jpg

Mine was finicky. Not now. It puts the lotion on the skin real well.

RH45
06-08-2012, 14:08
I believe that the slightly wider grip of the STI/SVI double stacks helps spread out the recoil in your hand better than the single stacks.:wow: