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doc540
05-09-2012, 12:44
cliffs

local guy gets his jewelry store robbed last week

this morning, some chummer tries to rob him again

bullets fly

owner shot once thru the leg, but he's ok

robber shot 4 times, quart low, but survives

used this gun

what is it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/robberypistol.jpg

M&P15T
05-09-2012, 12:53
WHO used that gun? The business owner or the robber?

I can't tell from the picture.....could be a pistol that's been seriously ghetto-rigged.

doc540
05-09-2012, 12:57
robber's gun

may be a Colt Woodsman?

banger
05-09-2012, 12:59
robber's gun

may be a Colt Woodsman?

My guess also.....Colt Woodsman.

doc540
05-09-2012, 14:01
High Standard with rt hand controls
http://www.myhostedpics.com/images/Oldshooter/highstandard001.jpg

L Pete
05-09-2012, 14:07
Hey Doc, Randy needs a bigger gun. He hit the guy four times, and so far, he's still alive. That appears to be a Colt, but I need a different view to tell for sure.

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 14:11
High Standard with rt hand controls
http://www.myhostedpics.com/images/Oldshooter/highstandard001.jpg

Winner!

RustyShackelford
05-09-2012, 14:45
Are you sure that's it??

OP's pic shows gun that is totally rounded on top of middle area, while the references show the hex/oct straight sides all-around. Also, the rear sights on the OP's are box shape (straight edges all over) and the reference is rounded edge.

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 14:52
Are you sure that's it??

OP's pic shows gun that is totally rounded on top of middle area, while the references show the hex/oct straight sides all-around. Also, the rear sights on the OP's are box shape (straight edges all over) and the reference is rounded edge.

Hmmm... pretty sure. Here's another photo.
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/9926468_1.jpg

RustyShackelford
05-09-2012, 15:07
You guys would know better than me, and there are some similarities. Looks like the grips are slightly different, too, but maybe I've been helping my son too much with those see-the-difference computer games...

B.Reid
05-09-2012, 16:08
My bet is on a Ruger MK 1,2 or 3.

Tango 1Zero
05-09-2012, 16:14
If only it was on my Sony Bravia.

doc540
05-09-2012, 16:30
update:

perp took 4 to upper torso

out of surgery

getting patched up for the TX pen

Fred Hansen
05-09-2012, 16:51
High Standard Sport King

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/JU-OT-Photos/HighStandardSportKingModel103.jpg

http://www.highstandard.com/weapons-a-products/parts.html (2nd one down)

Fred Hansen
05-09-2012, 17:02
robber's gun

may be a Colt Woodsman?No assembly lock plunger visible. Not a Woodsman.

RustyShackelford
05-09-2012, 17:33
deleted.

banger
05-09-2012, 18:33
No assembly lock plunger visible. Not a Woodsman.


GOOD CATCH!

Nice eye for the detail....I missed it entirely.

unit1069
05-09-2012, 19:34
So what gun is it?

B.Reid
05-09-2012, 19:42
I still say Ruger mark II.

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 19:43
So what gun is it?

I think the majority think it is a High Standard.

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 19:53
Ruger Mark II

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/Ruger_20Mark_20II_20MK512_1_.jpg

High Standard Sport King

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/9926468_1.jpg

Robbery Pistol

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/robberypistol.jpg

The_Gun_Guru
05-09-2012, 20:52
Ruger Mark II

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/Ruger_20Mark_20II_20MK512_1_.jpg

High Standard Sport King

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/9926468_1.jpg

Robbery Pistol

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/robberypistol.jpg

It's definitely not the Ruger.

Look at the rear sight.

There are also three distinct "patterns" on top of the perp's gun. These are also visible on the High Standard.


TGG

countrygun
05-09-2012, 21:03
It almost looks like the "pre Woodsman" Colt. The model before they gave it the "Woodsman" name

Fred Hansen
05-09-2012, 21:17
It almost looks like the "pre Woodsman" Colt. The model before they gave it the "Woodsman" nameDoesn't have the "step-down shoulder" at the base of the barrel that the early series did, nor does it have the assembly lock plunger visible. Not a Woodsman.

OTOH, what parts of it we can see--including the Slide Lock Lever--look exactly like a High Standard Sport King.

:dunno:

countrygun
05-09-2012, 21:25
Doesn't have the "step-down shoulder" at the base of the barrel that the early series did, nor does it have the assembly lock plunger visible. Not a Woodsman.

OTOH, what parts of it we can see--including the Slide Lock Lever--look exactly like a High Standard Sport King.

:dunno:


I think you are right due to the slide lock, but if you take a look at the photo on page 99 of Ayoobs "Greatest Handguns..." you will see that the proto-Woodsman lacked a step down.

Fred Hansen
05-09-2012, 21:43
I think you are right due to the slide lock, but if you take a look at the photo on page 99 of Ayoobs "Greatest Handguns..." you will see that the proto-Woodsman lacked a step down.Don't have the book. Did it also lack the assembly lock plunger?

countrygun
05-09-2012, 21:52
Don't have the book. Did it also lack the assembly lock plunger?

Yes, but from the picture there was a screw on the top of the slide (firing pin retainer?) that is missing on the gun in question leading me to believe your conclusion is correct.

Fred Hansen
05-09-2012, 21:58
Yes, but from the picture there was a screw on the top of the slide (firing pin retainer?) that is missing on the gun in question leading me to believe your conclusion is correct.It would be interesting to find out which model it really is...

countrygun
05-09-2012, 22:03
It would be interesting to find out which model it really is...

If the stars align right, I may be able to ask a friend, who has a rather impressive High-Standard auto collection, to take a look at the pic tomorrow. If I get an excuse to go to town and if he is in.

Fred Hansen
05-09-2012, 22:26
If the stars align right, I may be able to ask a friend, who has a rather impressive High-Standard auto collection, to take a look at the pic tomorrow. If I get an excuse to go to town and if he is in.I just PMed doc540, and asked if he would be willing to ask the local cops what it is.

DJ Niner
05-09-2012, 23:08
I'd guess a High Standard Sport King. I think that was the last round/skinny-barrel model High Standard made.

Berto
05-10-2012, 00:10
Another vote for HS Sport King, we have one in the family.

doc540
05-10-2012, 16:02
perp shot 4 times with .45ACP

I'm guessing ball

countrygun
05-10-2012, 17:04
perp shot 4 times with .45ACP

I'm guessing ball


That's not going to buff out.

Fred Hansen
05-10-2012, 17:17
That's not going to buff out.:cool: :rofl:

doc540
05-10-2012, 19:06
might not buff out, but he's going to make a full recovery:shocked:

countrygun
05-10-2012, 19:10
might not buff out, but he's going to make a full recovery:shocked:


Anybody want to chip in for a box of hollowpoints and a trip to a training school?

doc540
05-11-2012, 08:28
Anybody want to chip in for a box of hollowpoints and a trip to a training school?

HP's yes, but I'm not sure a training school could improve much.

He was shot once, returned fire, and hit the perp 4 times in the upper torso.

For a civilian that's about as much as one could hope for.

Travclem
05-11-2012, 08:49
I say High Standard, look at the barrel/receiver interface.

L Pete
05-11-2012, 08:52
Randy needed HSTs or Gold Dots.....No doubt

Glockdude1
05-11-2012, 08:56
http://www.kfdm.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/kfdm_vid_760.shtml

:cool:

Fred Hansen
05-23-2012, 13:43
Any updates?

fnfalman
05-23-2012, 14:15
Maybe an old Astra (Model 400?)

Fred Hansen
05-23-2012, 14:58
Maybe an old Astra (Model 400?)The barrel looks too small in diameter for a 400.

concretefuzzynuts
05-23-2012, 15:29
I though we already decided it was a High Standard?

TexasPOff
05-23-2012, 15:59
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/9926468_1.jpg

Well now we know.........Where Gaston got his idea for the grip....:rofl:...JK TXPO

badge315
05-23-2012, 16:22
I was thinking maybe an early Savage, perhaps a 1915?:dunno:

concretefuzzynuts
05-23-2012, 16:29
With all respect, sir. The Savage 1915 barrel is shorter than than the gun the op pictured.

And the savage lacks rear sights like the one pictured.

concretefuzzynuts
05-23-2012, 16:42
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/SavageAutomaticPistols-1913A.jpg

aircarver
05-23-2012, 17:18
OTOH, what parts of it we can see--including the Slide Lock Lever--look exactly like a High Standard Sport King.

:dunno:

Agree Hi-Standard, might be a military model with a taper barrel.

.

Teej
05-24-2012, 07:21
I'm more interested in the type of .45 ammo used? 4 "upper torso" hits and he survived? Definitely not center mass hits.

doc540
09-18-2012, 19:10
update

Spoke at length with the business owner today.

Perp made everyone lay on the floor and had tie wraps to use as cuffs.

Owner only went down on one knee instead of laying down.

Perp began to load loot from the safe while turning and looking back as he held the gun on the owner.

Perp stopped and tried to put tie wrap on owner and during a mild struggle, shot owner through and through from butt to front thigh.

Owner began to bleed heavily (on blood thinner meds)

Perp began to leave, turned back and pointed gun at owner just as owner pulled a .357 Colt Trooper from behind the counter.

Owner shot perp several times COM with the .357! Two hollowpoints pass through the perp and break the front store windows.

Perp still gets to the front of the store and ducks down behind the front counter.

Owner retrieves a semi (Bersa?) .45ACP and shoots perp several more times.

Perp still manages to crawl through broken front door glass and collapses on the sidewalk.

EMS rushes perp to hospital and he lives to face trial.

Owner rearms and upgrades security again. (He'd been robbed 12 days before.)

Take note:
Four or five COM shots with .357 and .45ACP and perp remains active and doesn't die.