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concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 13:13
Obama Approves of Gay Marriage

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Obama-voices-his-support-for-gay-marriage-150820215.html

OctoberRust
05-09-2012, 13:15
http://pbh.pbhmedianetwork.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/what-will-happen-gay-marriage-legalized.png

JBnTX
05-09-2012, 13:16
He just lost the election.

The majority of American does NOT approve of gay marriage.

The federal government has no damn business telling me that I must now accept this perversion as normal and equal to a man/woman marriage.

Obama just torpedoed any chance of a second term.
Good riddance to him and his support of homosexuality.

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G22Dude
05-09-2012, 13:17
No serious person can believe he was not always pro-gay marriage. He may not have been willing to say it in public, but all of his actions clearly demonstrate he is for the gay agenda

G22Dude
05-09-2012, 13:19
He just lost the election.

He really must think he has the black vote locked up because he just walked away from something that is very important among black evangelicals.

I've know preachers who drank the Obama kool-aid who were 150% opposed to any recognition of homosexuality

rahrah12
05-09-2012, 13:22
Good for him...not really a surprise.

Glad that he came out and made his position clear one way or the other.

Phaze5ive
05-09-2012, 13:23
What's the big deal? Sometimes I wish the GOP would take a more modern stance on certain issues. It's 2012.

OctoberRust
05-09-2012, 13:26
What's the big deal? Sometimes I wish the GOP would take a more modern stance on certain issues. It's 2012.


You must have not read my pie chart correctly if you still don't see what the big deal is....

It's 50% the terrorists will win, and 50% locusts and the plague will come.

rahrah12
05-09-2012, 13:29
What's the big deal? Sometimes I wish the GOP would take a more modern stance on certain issues. It's 2012.

Every time a gay person gets married it cancels out a straight marriage...

JBnTX
05-09-2012, 13:29
What's the big deal? Sometimes I wish the GOP would take a more modern stance on certain issues. It's 2012.


Don't you mean a more hedonistic stance?

Being "modern" has nothing to do with it.
What was a sin a thousand years ago is still a sin today.

OctoberRust
05-09-2012, 13:32
Don't you mean a more hedonistic stance?

Being "modern" has nothing to do with it.
What was a sin a thousand years ago is still a sin today.


A sin according to who?

If you say god, what god?

If you say your christian god, I'll say, along with some of the founding fathers would also say "The US is NOT a theocracy".

Take your bible crap somewhere else.

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 13:33
Please be civil. It would be nice if this thread could stay open.

itstime
05-09-2012, 13:33
What's the big deal? Sometimes I wish the GOP would take a more modern stance on certain issues. It's 2012.

Modern times show that you can kiss your guns goodbye also. Look at modern times in other countries.

Not a good way to think.

JBnTX
05-09-2012, 13:36
You must have not read my pie chart....


Your pie chart is wrong.

Same sex marriage is an assault on the purity of marriage and an insult to all families in this country.

The militant homosexual movement has vowed to destroy marriage by perverting and demonizing it.

This is not about gays getting married, it's about destroying marriage between a man and a woman. It's about destroying the American family.

Let the homos get away with this and they'll go after your children next.

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OctoberRust
05-09-2012, 13:36
Modern times show that you can kiss your guns goodbye also. Look at modern times in other countries.

Not a good way to think.


Really? They really kissed their guns good bye in Switzerland, didn't they?

Didn't Canada just REPEAL their long gun registration?

Didn't we gain a big momentum back in 1987 with CCW permits and shall issue?

Depends on how you view "modern"....

OctoberRust
05-09-2012, 13:38
Your pie chart is wrong.

Same sex marriage is an assault on the purity of marriage and an insult to all families in this country.

The militant homosexual movement has vowed to destroy marriage by perverting and demonizing it.

This is not about gays getting married, it's about destroying marriage.


Glad to see you respond to my posts with such logic, and facts.

Yea, every married couple I talk to, and failed marriage has said "gays were their number 1 concern on their marriage not working, or possibly not working" :upeyes:

Can you show me where all the homosexuals got together and vowed to destroy marriage? Again, I know you spend a LOT more time with homosexuals than I do (and probably for reasons I don't want to know of). So, please enlighten me about these evil homosexuals.

OctoberRust
05-09-2012, 13:40
Let the homos get away with this and they'll go after your children next.

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They'll go after my children next? :wow: OH NO!
So, by prohibiting gay marriage, it keeps the pedophiles away from my children? :rofl::rofl:

Whew, we should ban/prohibit guns too! That should stop all crime right? :rofl:

JBnTX
05-09-2012, 13:49
Just look at how volatile and argumentative this thread has become.

Obama has stepped in it with both feet by saying he supports
same sex marriage.

Finally that marxist idiot has done something that Romney can
now use against him.

Americans do not approve of homo marriage and Obama has screwed the pooch on this one.

Obama's landslide loss in November is one step closer.

JBnTX
05-09-2012, 13:55
They'll go after my children next? :wow: OH NO! :

The militant homosexual movement wants it required that all American school children be taught that homosexuality is not an alternative lifestyle, but a normal mainstream lifestyle equal to heterosexuality.

They want children taught to view both sexes as equal life partners with no difference between them.

That means a young boy would be taught to view both boys and girls as potential mates, with no preference being given to one sex or the other.

Let the homos get away with same sex marriage, and they WILL go after the children next.

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aspartz
05-09-2012, 13:59
The federal government has no damn business telling me that I must now accept this perversion as normal and equal to a man/woman marriage.
The federal government has no damn business defining marriage. Marriage is not mentioned in the COTUS, therefore the government has no authority over it.
Marriage is an issue for the church, not the government.

What needs to be corrected are the civil rights acts that tell you that you cannot refuse to associate (hire, enter into contracts with...) people with whom you disagree.

ARS

OctoberRust
05-09-2012, 14:01
The militant homosexual movement wants it required that all American school children be taught that homosexuality is not an alternative lifestyle, but a normal mainstream lifestyle equal to heterosexuality.

I've been against public education since the dawn of me. Any REAL conservative wouldn't be for gov't funded schools, that leaves the possibility of indoctrination by gov't open too much, not to mention conflict of interest.

They want children taught to view both sexes as equal life partners with no difference between them.

They do? Which ones told you this?

That means a young boy would be taught to view both boys and girls as potential mates, with no preference being given to one sex or the other.

I take it you've never taken a class in psychology, so I won't try to explain sexual orientations and how they develop, but it certainly isn't by someone telling you to like one thing. I was raised in a christian family, and I'm Atheist. So much for influences huh?

Let the homos get away with same sex marriage, and they WILL go after the children next.

So we're doing it for the children now? Please think of the children? You know.... I've heard this line somewhere before... :upeyes:

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Your answers above.

aspartz
05-09-2012, 14:02
Being "modern" has nothing to do with it.
What was a sin a thousand years ago is still a sin today.
The government is not in the business of regulating sin. That authority rests with your CHURCH.

The government is in the business of protecting the citizens from aggression, both external and internal. What two consenting adults do is none of the government's business.

ARS

OctoberRust
05-09-2012, 14:02
The federal government has no damn business defining marriage. Marriage is not mentioned in the COTUS, therefore the government has no authority over it.
Marriage is an issue for the church, not the government.

What needs to be corrected are the civil rights acts that tell you that you cannot refuse to associate (hire, enter into contracts with...) people with whom you disagree.

ARS


Excellent posting. Finally someone in here with some gray matter between their ears. :wavey:

huron bay
05-09-2012, 14:08
What's the big deal? Sometimes I wish the GOP would take a more modern stance on certain issues. It's 2012.


Yea, it's 2012. That is for sure.

Phaze5ive
05-09-2012, 14:15
They want children taught to view both sexes as equal life partners with no difference between them.

That means a young boy would be taught to view both boys and girls as potential mates, with no preference being given to one sex or the other.

Let the homos get away with same sex marriage, and they WILL go after the children next.
..

I don't know about you, but I wasn't taught to like women; that just happened naturally.

Seriously, think about it. If it were possible to condition young children to be attracted to a specific sex, and only that sex, homosexuality would be a moot issue today.

NDCent
05-09-2012, 14:15
I'm glad to see him finally come out of the closet. Those huge ears were a dead giveaway. :aodnsb:

UtahGlocker
05-09-2012, 14:17
He just lost the election.

The majority of American does NOT approve of gay marriage.

Are you aware of the recent Gallup poll on the subject? 50% are for marriage equality, 48% against. Looks like its a toss up to me.

The federal government has no damn business telling me that I must now accept this perversion as normal and equal to a man/woman marriage.

You lost me here. Do you think the federal government is telling you not to hate homosexuals anymore or is it trying to treat all citizens equally as is required in the Constitution? I think you can still hate on homosexuals all you want whether gay marriage is legal or not, just don't expect the government to treat other citizens who just happen to be gay differently than you.

michael_b
05-09-2012, 14:20
I'm glad to see him finally come out of the closet. Those huge ears were a dead giveaway. :aodnsb:

ROFLMAO.

______________________________

There does seem to be a concerted effort by the 'left' to attack traditional values.

All Il Duce has managed to do is push the evangelicals who were on the fence about Romney, into the Romney camp.


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NDCent
05-09-2012, 14:23
http://pbh.pbhmedianetwork.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/what-will-happen-gay-marriage-legalized.png

I would think option "schools will begin teaching kids how to have gay sex" would get a large percentage of votes.

After all, it's not like some are not thinking along those lines already. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/california-passes-bill-mandating-pro-gay-teaching-in-schools-no-parent-opt

Phaze5ive
05-09-2012, 14:29
I would think option "schools will begin teaching kids how to have gay sex" would get a large percentage of votes.

After all, it's not like some are not thinking along those lines already. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/california-passes-bill-mandating-pro-gay-teaching-in-schools-no-parent-opt

Yea.. Schools are teaching students how to have gay sex...
:upeyes:

A bill requiring public schools to teach the “historical contributions” of homosexual Americans was approved by the California legislature on Tuesday, July 5. The bill also prohibits any school material or instruction that reflects adversely on homosexuality, bisexuality or transgenderism, and prohibits parents from removing children from classes over offensive material.

OctoberRust
05-09-2012, 14:36
I would think option "schools will begin teaching kids how to have gay sex" would get a large percentage of votes.

After all, it's not like some are not thinking along those lines already. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/california-passes-bill-mandating-pro-gay-teaching-in-schools-no-parent-opt


Again, leave the gov't out of schools, then we won't have gov't to blame for what's in the children's curriculum. This will also leave parents more of a freedom to choose what school they go to. You could vote with you tax dollars, and study your investment with the syllabi they provide.

Free markets, how do they work?

Again, if you read the article, I don't think they will "teach kids on how to have gay sex". There's already plenty of laws against minors engaging in sexual activities with adults.

What would you like to argue off my pie chart next? World war 3?...... Swarms of locusts? Terrorists is always a good one!

Paul7
05-09-2012, 14:40
A sin according to who?

If you say god, what god?

If you say your christian god, I'll say, along with some of the founding fathers would also say "The US is NOT a theocracy".

Take your bible crap somewhere else.

What motivates someone to vote on a public issue is none of your business. You also might want to learn what theocracy means.

Paul7
05-09-2012, 14:41
The government is not in the business of regulating sin. That authority rests with your CHURCH.

The government is in the business of protecting the citizens from aggression, both external and internal. What two consenting adults do is none of the government's business.

ARS

So are prostitution and polygamy now OK?

I'd be happy if they got civil unions and quit brainwashing the kids.

Ruble Noon
05-09-2012, 14:43
Yea.. Schools are teaching students how to have gay sex...
:upeyes:

Why, yes they are.

Obama's "Safe Schools Czar" Promoted "Fisting" to Children

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2009/12/obamas-safe-schools-czar-promoted-fisting-to-children-video/

Obama's "Safe Schools Czar" Is Promoting Child Porn in the Classroom– Kevin Jennings and the GLSEN Reading List

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2009/12/breaking-obamas-safe-schools-czar-is-promoting-porn-in-the-classroom-kevin-jennings-and-the-glsen-reading-list/

Paul7
05-09-2012, 14:43
Just look at how volatile and argumentative this thread has become.

Obama has stepped in it with both feet by saying he supports
same sex marriage.

Finally that marxist idiot has done something that Romney can
now use against him.

Americans do not approve of homo marriage and Obama has screwed the pooch on this one.

Obama's landslide loss in November is one step closer.

Exactly. He will fire up the conservative base, and lose black and hispanic votes. The sodomists were voting for him anyway.

NDCent
05-09-2012, 14:44
Again, if you read the article, I don't think they will "teach kids on how to have gay sex". There's already plenty of laws against minors engaging in sexual activities with adults.


Who mentioned children and adults having sex? Your guilty conscience acting up again? :rofl:

Paul7
05-09-2012, 14:45
Why, yes they are.

Obama's "Safe Schools Czar" Promoted "Fisting" to Children

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2009/12/obamas-safe-schools-czar-promoted-fisting-to-children-video/

Obama's "Safe Schools Czar" Is Promoting Child Porn in the Classroom– Kevin Jennings and the GLSEN Reading List

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2009/12/breaking-obamas-safe-schools-czar-is-promoting-porn-in-the-classroom-kevin-jennings-and-the-glsen-reading-list/

Jennings also said he admired a pedophile and NAMBLA activist.

http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=18514

You can't make this stuff up.

Ruble Noon
05-09-2012, 14:48
So are prostitution and polygamy now OK?

I'd be happy if they got civil unions and quit brainwashing the kids.

You raise a good point. If two women can get married, why not four? or ten?

aspartz
05-09-2012, 14:51
All Il Duce has managed to do is push the evangelicals who were on the fence about Romney, into the Romney camp.
All the GOP has done is to push the non-evangelicals into either the 0bama or the Ron Paul camp.

So are prostitution and polygamy now OK?
Yes, they should be legal.

I'd be happy if they got civil unions and quit brainwashing the kids.
I agree. They should also stop brainwashing the kids with "one nation, under God,"

ARS

Paul7
05-09-2012, 14:54
All the GOP has done is to push the non-evangelicals into either the 0bama or the Ron Paul camp.

It isn't just evangelicals against gay marriage, unless you think 52% of Californians are evangelicals.

Yes, they should be legal.

Yes, if the majority wants it so. Right now the majority don't want gay marriage.

I agree. They should also stop brainwashing the kids with "one nation, under God,"

ARS

So start a movement against that if it bugs you. Weird how some on GT value gay rights over gun rights.

Just1More
05-09-2012, 14:54
So, Obama's "evolving" stance on gay marriage is now complete? BIGGEST..FRAUD..EVER!

Real Americans are fed up with this phoney.

aspartz
05-09-2012, 14:59
It isn't just evangelicals against gay marriage, unless you think 52% of Californians are evangelicals.
This is not the only issue that is driving the non-evangelicals from the GOP tent.
Yes, if the majority wants it so. Right now the majority don't want gay marriage.
Where in the COTUS is the government given the power to regulate marriage? If it's not there, the government has no power to control it.
So start a movement against that if it bugs you. Weird how some on GT value gay rights over gun rights.
Newdow tried but the court dodged making a real decision. I value ALL rights. Weird how some on GT values gun rights, but totally ignore other rights.
To date 0bama has done nothing to restrict gun rights. The GOP has tried multiple times to inject one set of morals into the legal code, thereby restricting the rights of the citizen.

I'm not an 0bama fan, but the GOP needs to find a candidate that people actually want to vote FOR rather then a defensive vote against the other guy.

ARS

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 15:03
I'm not an 0bama fan, but the GOP needs to find a candidate that people actually want to vote FOR rather then a defensive vote against the other guy.

ARS

I'll accept what ever it takes to get Obama out of office.

rahrah12
05-09-2012, 15:05
So, Obama's "evolving" stance on gay marriage is now complete? BIGGEST..FRAUD..EVER!

Real Americans are fed up with this phoney.

So what you are saying is that we can't vote for Romney or Obama...

rahrah12
05-09-2012, 15:07
Exactly. He will fire up the conservative base, and lose black and hispanic votes. The sodomists were voting for him anyway.

He might've revitalized the Liberal base and the gay community...

truetopath
05-09-2012, 15:12
Isn't it clear all politicians support gay marriage? I've been getting bent over by uncle sam for years...now they want you to be able to join in the fun too!!

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jeager
05-09-2012, 15:14
edited:
(reason)
not sentimental enough

jeager
05-09-2012, 15:18
Obama Approves of Gay Marriage

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Obama-voices-his-support-for-gay-marriage-150820215.html

...my Husband would Look Like..."

Brucev
05-09-2012, 15:19
Re: OP. No surprise. He's bent over so much for so many so that he could squat in the white house that it makes sense he'd bend over for the homos so that he and his minions might cling to power for another four years.

If republicans work this thing right, they can really enrage many African-Americans. It will also work well in turning off many undecided voters who are socially conservative but liberal on economics, etc.

aspartz
05-09-2012, 15:22
It will also work well in turning off many undecided voters who are socially conservative but liberal on economics, etc.
Good, more big spending Compassionate Conservatives. Yet the party wonders why the economic conservatives are leaving the tent.

ARS

Dexters
05-09-2012, 15:23
He just lost the election.

The majority of American does NOT approve of gay marriage.

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Should be interesting to see the black vote.
But, I doubt it will move the needle.

http://www.heraldsun.com/view/full_story/15486317/article-Gay-marriage-and-the-NAACP?instance=hs_editorials

BO did it to draw a line between him and MR

I think gays have the same right to be unhappy in a marriage as do straights.

Just1More
05-09-2012, 15:24
He might've revitalized the Liberal base and the gay community...

So, he riled up 10% of the voters? Good luck with that.

Dexters
05-09-2012, 15:26
What's the big deal? Sometimes I wish the GOP would take a more modern stance on certain issues. It's 2012.

I don't think it is the GOP in general. It is a small influential group & the media.

Just1More
05-09-2012, 15:26
Obama just went to war against traditional American values. It won't end well for him.

rahrah12
05-09-2012, 15:36
So, he riled up 10% of the voters? Good luck with that.

I guess we'll see...

Was this decision political or was he just being honest?

callihan_44
05-09-2012, 15:57
I wonder what his muslim brethern with think of this?:whistling:

G22Dude
05-09-2012, 16:01
I wonder what his muslim brethern with think of this?:whistling:
The Afghans might not care, they like to diddle little boys anyway

Ruble Noon
05-09-2012, 16:08
Should be interesting to see the black vote.
But, I doubt it will move the needle.

http://www.heraldsun.com/view/full_story/15486317/article-Gay-marriage-and-the-NAACP?instance=hs_editorials

BO did it to draw a line between him and MR

I think gays have the same right to be unhappy in a marriage as do straights.

And the same right to divorce and have their significant other take half their stuff.

My objection to gay marriage is the forcing of churches to marry them against the will of the church and it will happen that way.

My brilliant city council passed an ordinance that says if a church allows outside groups to use their facilities then they must also allow gay groups the use of their facilities and they have to install lesbian, gay and transgender compliant restrooms. :faint:

UtahGlocker
05-09-2012, 16:17
Obama just went to war against traditional American values. It won't end well for him.

I thought that believing everyone should be treated equally under the law is a traditional American value. What value do you think he is against?

G22Dude
05-09-2012, 16:18
And the same right to divorce and have their significant other take half their stuff.

My objection to gay marriage is the forcing of churches to marry them against the will of the church and it will happen that way.

My brilliant city council passed an ordinance that says if a church allows outside groups to use their facilities then they must also allow gay groups the use of their facilities and they have to install lesbian, gay and transgender compliant restrooms. :faint:
At one point the Canadians made it illegal for a pastor to even preach against homosexuality. Knowing how our leftists have a penchant for adopting foreign law I wouldn't find it hard to see them try to slide something like this in

nmk
05-09-2012, 16:19
Your pie chart is wrong.

Same sex marriage is an assault on the purity of marriage and an insult to all families in this country.

The militant homosexual movement has vowed to destroy marriage by perverting and demonizing it.

This is not about gays getting married, it's about destroying marriage between a man and a woman. It's about destroying the American family.

Let the homos get away with this and they'll go after your children next.

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Holy carp. You can't be a real person.

rahrah12
05-09-2012, 16:21
My objection to gay marriage is the forcing of churches to marry them against the will of the church and it will happen that way.

My brilliant city council passed an ordinance that says if a church allows outside groups to use their facilities then they must also allow gay groups the use of their facilities and they have to install lesbian, gay and transgender compliant restrooms. :faint:

That's interesting.

A representative on the radio (I wish I remembered their name) for the LGBT community explicitly stated that they did NOT and were not arguing for churches to be forced to marry gay people. In fact they said they were in support of churches being able to do what they want.

They also said that there were no instances of anyone wanting to force churches to marry gay people.

Wish I saw your comment sooner...Do you know the ordinance?

UtahGlocker
05-09-2012, 16:23
And the same right to divorce and have their significant other take half their stuff.

My objection to gay marriage is the forcing of churches to marry them against the will of the church and it will happen that way.

You mean like how Mormons have to marry Catholics in their temples and Jews have to marry Protestants in their Synagogues? Doesn't happen now, so I think your fear is baseless.

My brilliant city council passed an ordinance that says if a church allows outside groups to use their facilities then they must also allow gay groups the use of their facilities and they have to install lesbian, gay and transgender compliant restrooms. :faint:

I missed the part where lesbian, gay and transgender people have different bathroom requirements than straight people. Do they need room to foot tap or something?

ken grant
05-09-2012, 16:32
How in the world did "GAY" become the P.C. word to replace "QUEER"?

Palmguy
05-09-2012, 16:33
The government is not in the business of regulating sin. That authority rests with your CHURCH.

The government is in the business of protecting the citizens from aggression, both external and internal. What two consenting adults do is none of the government's business.

ARS

Sounds like an argument for the elimination of all state-sanctioned marriages...not the promotion of gay marriage. Not saying that's necessarily a bad thing...

Ruble Noon
05-09-2012, 16:35
You mean like how Mormons have to marry Catholics in their temples and Jews have to marry Protestants in their Synagogues? Doesn't happen now, so I think your fear is baseless.



I missed the part where lesbian, gay and transgender people have different bathroom requirements than straight people. Do they need room to foot tap or something?

You can read about it here.

Proposed Ordinance Would Force Kansas Churches to Host Gay Weddings



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/proposed-ordinance-would-force-churches-to-host-gay-weddings/

Davegrave
05-09-2012, 16:37
Im a hard guy to shock. But I'm shocked at A: Some of these comments. And B: That this hasn't been locked yet.
I hope it keeps going though because it's breathtaking.

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 16:46
Im a hard guy to shock. But I'm shocked at A: Some of these comments. And B: That this hasn't been locked yet.
I hope it keeps going though because it's breathtaking.

Shhhhhhhh....

jtk
05-09-2012, 17:01
Do you believe being gay is a choice?

Then you are gay. Because if you believe it was a choice, that means at some point in your life, you yourself chose. Any actual straight or gay person will tell you it was never a choice. Of all my gay friends and family, not a single one ever even considered heterosexuality. From the time of their earliest memories, they knew they were different. There was never a moment in my life when I chose to be straight. So if there was ever a moment in your life when you thought "Damn, that wiener looks mighty good..." but then "chose" not to act on it...you are still gay. And probably the most enraged and vocal of the anti-gay movement.

UtahGlocker
05-09-2012, 17:14
You can read about it here.

Proposed Ordinance Would Force Kansas Churches to Host Gay Weddings



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/proposed-ordinance-would-force-churches-to-host-gay-weddings/

The article says they would have to rent the building to homosexuals if they rent to the general public. This doesn't say they will be forced to perform the marriage ceremony. :upeyes:

This is the explanation from a spokesperson for the commission:

“They would not be able to discriminate against gay and lesbian or transgender individuals. That type of protection parallels to what you find in race discrimination,” Meryl Dye, a spokesperson for the commission, said in an interview with Fox News. “If a church provides lodging or rents a facility they could not discriminate based on race. It’s along that kind of thinking.”

Paul7
05-09-2012, 17:23
That's interesting.

A representative on the radio (I wish I remembered their name) for the LGBT community explicitly stated that they did NOT and were not arguing for churches to be forced to marry gay people. In fact they said they were in support of churches being able to do what they want.

They also said that there were no instances of anyone wanting to force churches to marry gay people.

Wish I saw your comment sooner...Do you know the ordinance?

The gay agenda is all about force, look at the pressure the Boy Scouts are getting because they don't want gay scoutmasters. What a stupid idea that would be. Look at the Catholic adoption agencies closing down because they choose not to place kids in homes without a mother and father.

Paul7
05-09-2012, 17:25
Do you believe being gay is a choice?



Homosexual behavior is a choice. Do you think a heterosexual who commits adultery had no choice?

Back when there was something called a moral education in this country, same-sex perversion was discouraged, not encouraged.

Paul7
05-09-2012, 17:30
This is not the only issue that is driving the non-evangelicals from the GOP tent.

Where do you get that the GOP is in bad shape? Did you miss the 2010 elections? The Democratic Party was whacked worse than any time since the 1930s. We now have a GOP senator in MA.

Where in the COTUS is the government given the power to regulate marriage? If it's not there, the government has no power to control it.

Great, you are admitting there is no COTUS right to gay marriage, meaning the people should decide. They just did yesterday in NC.

To date 0bama has done nothing to restrict gun rights.

Do you think his SCOTUS appointees are friendly to gun-rights?

The GOP has tried multiple times to inject one set of morals into the legal code, thereby restricting the rights of the citizen.

Yes, and when the abolitionists and civil rights movement injected one set of morals into the legal code, it restricted the rights of slave-owners and segregationists.

ALL laws are an imposition of somebody's morality.

I'm not an 0bama fan, but the GOP needs to find a candidate that people actually want to vote FOR rather then a defensive vote against the other guy.


Gary Johnson and Jon Huntsman ran in the GOP primary and were pretty friendly to gay rights, how did they do?

Dalton Wayne
05-09-2012, 17:37
Big deal let the gays get married,, who cares, it's nobody's business but theirs, this is America land of the free,
OH god forbid I'm also pro abortion and pro gay :wavey:

snerd
05-09-2012, 17:40
Im a hard guy to shock. But I'm shocked at A: Some of these comments. And B: That this hasn't been locked yet.
I hope it keeps going though because it's breathtaking.
You're feigned outrage is duly noted. :upeyes:

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions. Get over yourself.

oldman11
05-09-2012, 17:42
Just look at how volatile and argumentative this thread has become.

Obama has stepped in it with both feet by saying he supports
same sex marriage.

Finally that marxist idiot has done something that Romney can
now use against him.

Americans do not approve of homo marriage and Obama has screwed the pooch on this one.

Obama's landslide loss in November is one step closer.
Hussein, oops*** Obama knew he was going down and he's lying to get more votes. Kind of like he lied about his birth, and his religious upbringing (Barack Hussein Obama isn't a Christian name). He has a tendency to waffle a lot.

juggy4711
05-09-2012, 17:44
He just lost the election...

I would agree with one caveat. He has dramatically lowered his chances for re-election only as long as the religious right can abstain from engaging in what the left would call hate speech. Vitriolic rhetoric bashing the homosexual life style will nullify that. Instead the emphasis should be placed on his flip flop and the fact that gay marriage should be way down the list of important issues when the economy is in such poor shape and government spending is out of control.

The media is just salivating at the thought of getting Republicans to rant and rave against homosexuality the way you have.

callihan_44
05-09-2012, 17:44
meh, I dont believe he supports it....he feels threatened with the lack of love being shown to him during his kickoff in ohio with a partially filled arena. Heck before november he may even be lovin him some 2nd amendment too :upeyes:

Paul7
05-09-2012, 17:53
I would agree with one caveat. He has dramatically lowered his chances for re-election only as long as the religious right can abstain from engaging in what the left would call hate speech. Vitriolic rhetoric bashing the homosexual life style will nullify that. Instead the emphasis should be placed on his flip flop and the fact that gay marriage should be way down the list of important issues when the economy is in such poor shape and government spending is out of control.

The media is just salivating at the thought of getting Republicans to rant and rave against homosexuality the way you have.

It would only even out the gay hate speech.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/christian-teens-say-gay-activist-made-girls-cry.html

UtahGlocker
05-09-2012, 17:55
The gay agenda is all about force, look at the pressure the Boy Scouts are getting because they don't want gay scoutmasters. What a stupid idea that would be. Look at the Catholic adoption agencies closing down because they choose not to place kids in homes without a mother and father.

I'm more worried about the pedophiles becoming scoutmasters than gay people. Also, studies have shown gay parents raise normal kids. Too bad the Catholics don't keep up with the latest research. I guess they would rather a child flounder in multiple foster homes than raised in a loving household.

RC-RAMIE
05-09-2012, 18:04
http://img.tapatalk.com/63c32ed4-0619-43df.jpg


....

juggy4711
05-09-2012, 18:05
It would only even out the gay hate speech.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/christian-teens-say-gay-activist-made-girls-cry.html

Those that engage in gay "hate speech" are never going to vote Republican/conservative. Those that view social issues as of primary importance can be driven to vote Democrat/liberal by "hate speech" against gays no matter how fiscally conservative they are.

In other words it won't even out jack if the religious right can't control themselves.

Dexters
05-09-2012, 18:13
I'm more worried about the pedophiles becoming scoutmasters than gay people. Also, studies have shown gay parents raise normal kids. Too bad the Catholics don't keep up with the latest research. I guess they would rather a child flounder in multiple foster homes than raised in a loving household.

Maybe Muslims should stop stoning gay men to death!

evlbruce
05-09-2012, 18:20
I'll wait for full context. President 0's such a weasel that I doubt he made a declarative statement.

Davegrave
05-09-2012, 18:24
You're feigned outrage is duly noted. :upeyes:

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions. Get over yourself.

Everyone except me? I didn't even declare a side. Nor am I outraged. Just shocked by some people's beliefs.
You're the one that seems outraged at my involuntary reaction do shock. So I'll see your :upeyes: and raise you a :rofl:

Cavalry Doc
05-09-2012, 18:28
http://img.tapatalk.com/63c32ed4-0619-43df.jpg


....

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs20/f/2007/231/a/e/Extreme_OMG_by_NewYorkKid618.gif


Jeez, dude, give a warning or something when posting that. Camel Toe overdose. http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/297/0/b/ThowUp_Rainbows_by_starshine13z.gif

juggy4711
05-09-2012, 18:36
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs20/f/2007/231/a/e/Extreme_OMG_by_NewYorkKid618.gif


Jeez, dude, give a warning or something when posting that. Camel Toe overdose. http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/297/0/b/ThowUp_Rainbows_by_starshine13z.gif

More like moose knuckle :alex:

HexHead
05-09-2012, 18:37
Let the homos get away with same sex marriage, and they WILL go after the children next.

..

I'm convinced the next cause célèbre for the left will be pedophiles. They will argue that they were born that way, too. And if you disagree, you will be labeled a Pedophobe.

HexHead
05-09-2012, 18:39
Of course 0bama came out on this today. He has a big fund raiser in Hollywood tomorrow night, and there's a lot of queer money out there.

GLOCK17DB9
05-09-2012, 18:40
whatever!:dunno:

PawDog
05-09-2012, 18:54
I'm convinced the next cause célèbre for the left will be pedophiles. They will argue that they were born that way, too. And if you disagree, you will be labeled a Pedophobe.

+1......And, yes, eventually it's headed our way, whether some here want to admit it or not.

The whole issue with "Gay marriage" is not about Larry marrying Gary, or Mary marrying Kari, it's about the government mandating religious institutions, via federal or state law, to accept ideology that is the opposite of their beliefs.

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 19:04
I think this is just more dividing the people of this country. I think this is a well calculated political move to cause more disruption, hate and strife. I think this is to take the focus off a failed presidency.

frank4570
05-09-2012, 19:05
I think Obama has hurt himself pretty badly with this one. The christians actually have a reason to vote for Romney now.
And my experience is that the black community is NOT ok with gays, especially the black christians. I'll bet this will trump their black solidarity.
And the number of actual gays is very small compared to the rest of the population, their votes won't matter that much. And I'd bet they voted for Obama last time compared to Bush, so Obama just made sure he again gets support from a very small group of people.

I'll bet Romney is happy beyond belief. Romney> :wow: :highfive: :dancingbanana: :snoopy:

frank4570
05-09-2012, 19:08
+1......And, yes, eventually it's headed our way, whether some here want to admit it or not.

The whole issue with "Gay marriage" is not about Larry marrying Gary, or Mary marrying Kari, it's about the government mandating religious institutions, via federal or state law, to accept ideology that is the opposite of their beliefs.

Christians shouldn't have been using the govt to force their beliefs on everybody else in the first place, just wait till the muslim numbers catch up.
Conservatives want the govt OUT of our lives.

JK-linux
05-09-2012, 19:10
We're scheduled to vote on it in November 2012 up here. As far as I'm concerned, it's a State issue and is being addressed appropriately in a state by state constitutional manner. Different regions have different sensibilities and they seem to be dealing with those sensibilities well enough so far. Obama's comments are obviously campaign oriented, and oriented toward appealing to people who already will vote for him. It's a State constitution issue, so his opinion isn't really worth much unless he goes back to finish his incomplete Freshman first term in Illinois.

"Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to provide that only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Minnesota?"
YES
NO

G-19
05-09-2012, 19:16
Obama Approves of Gay Marriage

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Obama-voices-his-support-for-gay-marriage-150820215.html

Obama and Paul have a lot in common.

Cavalry Doc
05-09-2012, 19:20
More like moose knuckle :alex:

More like two racoons fighting under a sheet.

Cavalry Doc
05-09-2012, 19:22
Christians shouldn't have been using the govt to force their beliefs on everybody else in the first place, just wait till the muslim numbers catch up.
Conservatives want the govt OUT of our lives.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Cause then Homosexual rights will be assured???


http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/cox.jpg&sa=X&ei=NRirT5_LIoPg2AW47qSmAg&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGLWR0kz-FYUCXHufKzMnw9RiELIg

JK-linux
05-09-2012, 19:25
Obama and Paul have a lot in common.

True, though they will never be as in sync as Obama and Mittens.

Cavalry Doc
05-09-2012, 19:27
True, though they will never be as in sync as Obama and Mittens.

And they will never be in sync as much as Obama, Pelosi & Reid.

aspartz
05-09-2012, 19:35
Where do you get that the GOP is in bad shape? Did you miss the 2010 elections? The Democratic Party was whacked worse than any time since the 1930s. We now have a GOP senator in MA.
The GOP lost the WH because it ran a bad candidate in 2008. Today they think they can win with the same losing argument -- "Their guy is worse than our guy."
Great, you are admitting there is no COTUS right to gay marriage, meaning the people should decide. They just did yesterday in NC.You have the model of the Constitution backwards. The COTUS was never intended to be an exhaustive list of the rights of the people. However, it is an exhaustive list of the powers of the government. If it ain't in there, the government does not have the power. The government does not have the power to define marriage.
Do you think his SCOTUS appointees are friendly to gun-rights?Do you thing GWB's appointments are friendly to non-evangelicals? I care as much about other rights as gun rights. it's called freedom.
Yes, and when the abolitionists and civil rights movement injected one set of morals into the legal code, it restricted the rights of slave-owners and segregationists.An amendment banned slavery. It GAVE rights to some people, while taking PROPERTY from others. Your property can be taken with due process. This was due process.

I do agree with you on civil rights. The actual crux of this argument, as I stated earlier, is the fact that the people no longer have the right of free association. The government does not have the power to tell me whom I hire, fire, marry, or enter into a contract with. This was how a society controlled its values. If you did something that the majority disapproved of, you were ostracized. I don't care what a person does in their bedroom, but they don't have the right to be free from repercussions of their choices.
ALL laws are an imposition of somebody's morality.How many of the 10 commandments are actually law? Law is intended to protect one person from being victimized by another. If there is no victim, there is no crime. That's not morals, that's equal protection.

ARS

G29Reload
05-09-2012, 19:41
The GOP lost the WH because it ran a bad candidate in 2008. Today they think they can win with the same losing argument -- "Their guy is worse than our guy."

Now the dems have a BAD candidate. A proven failure.

OUr guy won't be so bad if he keeps half his promises.


You have the model of the Constitution backwards. The COTUS was never intended to be an exhaustive list of the rights of the people. However, it is an exhaustive list of the powers of the government.

Wrong, and FAIL.

It is a list of LIMITS on government power, recognition of rights of the people.

Walt_NC
05-09-2012, 19:47
Sweet Jesus! The next thing you know, gays will want serve openly in the armed forces! Can you even imagine the chaos in the ranks and damage to our war-fighting capability that would ensue if someone were to allow that?

G29Reload
05-09-2012, 19:49
How many of the 10 commandments are actually law?
ARS

Well, Thou Shalt Not Murder, for starters…



Law is intended to protect one person from being victimized by another.

And protection of the greater society at large. People, companies, property, the public order, health, safety and security, financial integrity, activities in commerce, transportation, aviation and maritime.


If there is no victim, there is no crime.


That's the picayune to defend prostitution and drugs. Hey its all voluntary right?


That's not morals, that's equal protection.

ARS

No, equal protection in this construct means everyone can avail themselves of the same protection under law.

frank4570
05-09-2012, 20:08
:rofl::rofl::rofl: Cause then Homosexual rights will be assured???


http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/cox.jpg&sa=X&ei=NRirT5_LIoPg2AW47qSmAg&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGLWR0kz-FYUCXHufKzMnw9RiELIg

I get it. But if we ever get to the point where the muslims have a significant voting block, they are going to point to things like "blue" laws as an example, and we are not going to be able to pretend there is a separation of church and state.

MoCop
05-09-2012, 20:17
Obama approving gay marriage is no surprise and shouldn't be for anyone. He goes with the "popular opinion" and will always do so and go the most liberal and anti-american route. This man is dangerous.

Cavalry Doc
05-09-2012, 20:20
I get it. But if we ever get to the point where the muslims have a significant voting block, they are going to point to things like "blue" laws as an example, and we are not going to be able to pretend there is a separation of church and state.

Slippery slope arguments don't really do much for me.

There is a balance, and maybe it needs to change a bit, but it's not all that bad all things considered.

Just1More
05-09-2012, 20:24
Obama just sealed his fate in November! We're gonna send that muslim kenyan packin'!

frank4570
05-09-2012, 20:28
Slippery slope arguments don't really do much for me.

There is a balance, and maybe it needs to change a bit, but it's not all that bad all things considered.

:miff: Maybe one day I will be able to hunt on sundays. Even, wild pig. If the new religious people will still allow it.

Walt_NC
05-09-2012, 20:39
Obama approving gay marriage is no surprise and shouldn't be for anyone. He goes with the "popular opinion" and will always do so and go the most liberal and anti-american route. This man is dangerous.

I agree with you 100%. Who does he think he is, agreeing with the idea that two adults in a consensual relationship deserve the same legal protections and privileges? It's an affront to the very idea of equal protection and individual liberty put forth by our founding fathers. That, by definition, is anti-American!

And I also agree that his liberal fascist Marxist ideology is dangerous! I just wish we had some way of identifying people like him who have the audacity to have opinions different than our own. There would be so much less danger to our belief structure if we could make people like him wear...i dunno...identifying badges. Maybe concentrate them in camps so we could keep an eye on them. It's the American way!

juggy4711
05-09-2012, 20:47
Slippery slope arguments don't really do much for me...

That is how the slope works and inches turn into miles.

MoCop
05-09-2012, 20:47
I agree with you 100%. Who does he think he is, agreeing with the idea that two adults in a consensual relationship deserve the same legal protections and privileges? It's an affront to the very idea of equal protection and individual liberty put forth by our founding fathers. That, by definition, is anti-American!

And I also agree that his liberal fascist Marxist ideology is dangerous! I just wish we had some way of identifying people like him who have the audacity to have opinions different than our own. There would be so much less danger to our belief structure if we could make people like him wear...i dunno...identifying badges. Maybe concentrate them in camps so we could keep an eye on them. It's the American way!

blah-blah-blah!
Consensual or not. Gay marriage is not what marriage was deemed to be. People don't want to realize that our Country was founded on Christian beliefs. Another step towards anti Christian beliefs such as gay marriage is another blow to this Country's well being.

frank4570
05-09-2012, 21:04
Slippery slope arguments don't really do much for me.



BTW. I am positive you said that incrementalism works on another subject. And I believe you.

Walt_NC
05-09-2012, 21:13
blah-blah-blah!
Consensual or not. Gay marriage is not what marriage was deemed to be. People don't want to realize that our Country was founded on Christian beliefs. Another step towards anti Christian beliefs such as gay marriage is another blow to this Country's well being.

Dude. I agree with you 100%. Allowing gay marriage will absolutely destroy this country, with gays snatching straight people out of their formerly solid relationships and forcing them in to a lifestyle of sodomy and man-horse-infant love triangles. Just as allowing openly gay people to serve in the military will destroy it's combat readiness overnight. And allowing people to carry concealed handguns in national parks will lead to a bloodbath. I mean, we're just following these scenarios to their logical conclusion, right?

I present this graph as evidence of the destructive power of gayness:

stevelyn
05-09-2012, 21:15
He didn't change his mind. He's always been in favor of gay marriage. He's has just decided to tell the truth about his position.

That said, I don't understand what the big deal is. If gay folk wannna bring the same kind of financial and legal misery on themselves as hetros do by getting married, who are we to say no?

Whether they get married or not, it isn't going to affect or change how I live my life day to day. I doubt it will anyone else's either.

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 21:32
I'll post it again- I think this is just more dividing the people of this country. I think this is a well calculated political move to cause more disruption, hate and strife. I think this is to take the focus off a failed presidency.

Don't be fooled. Part of the socialist strategy is to divide the masses.

Paul7
05-09-2012, 21:56
The GOP lost the WH because it ran a bad candidate in 2008.

We lost because people were upset with the war and the economy conveniently cratered right before the election, McCain/Palin were leading up until them.

Today they think they can win with the same losing argument -- "Their guy is worse than our guy."

I think Romney will make a fine POTUS.

You have the model of the Constitution backwards. The COTUS was never intended to be an exhaustive list of the rights of the people. However, it is an exhaustive list of the powers of the government. If it ain't in there, the government does not have the power. The government does not have the power to define marriage.

So the government has no power to ban polygamy? The marriage of siblings?

Do you thing GWB's appointments are friendly to non-evangelicals? I care as much about other rights as gun rights. it's called freedom.

Funny all those immigrants seeking freedom have come there the last 200+ years, what with our lack of freedom not allowing gays to marry and all.

An amendment banned slavery. It GAVE rights to some people, while taking PROPERTY from others. Your property can be taken with due process. This was due process.

So was the NC referendum yesterday.

How many of the 10 commandments are actually law?

The sixth, eighth, ninth, and if you're in the military, the seventh. Does that make us a theocracy?

:popcorn:

MoCop
05-09-2012, 22:22
Dude. I agree with you 100%. Allowing gay marriage will absolutely destroy this country, with gays snatching straight people out of their formerly solid relationships and forcing them in to a lifestyle of sodomy and man-horse-infant love triangles. Just as allowing openly gay people to serve in the military will destroy it's combat readiness overnight. And allowing people to carry concealed handguns in national parks will lead to a bloodbath. I mean, we're just following these scenarios to their logical conclusion, right?

I present this graph as evidence of the destructive power of gayness:

:yawn:

UtahGlocker
05-09-2012, 22:33
+1 [left and pedophiles]......And, yes, eventually it's headed our way, whether some here want to admit it or not.

Seems pretty far fetched to me. How do you think the left will get over the consenting adult requirement? It is illegal for children to consent because they cannot make an informed, mature decision. Without both parties being able to consent, then it's pretty much a deal breaker.

The whole issue with "Gay marriage" is not about Larry marrying Gary, or Mary marrying Kari, it's about the government mandating religious institutions, via federal or state law, to accept ideology that is the opposite of their beliefs.

You do realize the discussion is about civil marriage, not religious marriage? No religion needs to be involved if they don't want to be. However, it works both ways, can't have religion butting into the affairs of non-believing citizens.

Gunhaver
05-10-2012, 03:00
Your pie chart is wrong.

Same sex marriage is an assault on the purity of marriage and an insult to all families in this country.

The militant homosexual movement has vowed to destroy marriage by perverting and demonizing it.

This is not about gays getting married, it's about destroying marriage between a man and a woman. It's about destroying the American family.

Let the homos get away with this and they'll go after your children next.

..

Yeah, because straight people have done a great job holding up marriage as sacred.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/149435_449093948453397_205344452828349_100678244_1701245141_n.jpg

BTW, I'm not gay but for every 10 posts I make defending gay rights they send me a $10 Sharper Image gift certificate. It's all part of the "agenda".

Fred Hansen
05-10-2012, 03:44
He didn't change his mind. He's always been in favor of gay marriage. He's has just decided to tell the truth about his position.

That said, I don't understand what the big deal is. If gay folk wannna bring the same kind of financial and legal misery on themselves as hetros do by getting married, who are we to say no?

Whether they get married or not, it isn't going to affect or change how I live my life day to day. I doubt it will anyone else's either.:perfect10:

callihan_44
05-10-2012, 06:02
Dude. I agree with you 100%. Allowing gay marriage will absolutely destroy this country, with gays snatching straight people out of their formerly solid relationships and forcing them in to a lifestyle of sodomy and man-horse-infant love triangles. Just as allowing openly gay people to serve in the military will destroy it's combat readiness overnight. And allowing people to carry concealed handguns in national parks will lead to a bloodbath. I mean, we're just following these scenarios to their logical conclusion, right?

I present this graph as evidence of the destructive power of gayness:

Dude(or dudett) I dont think he meant to offend your lifestyle, just dont preach to us that it's "normal"

Cavalry Doc
05-10-2012, 06:24
Talk about a tempest in a teacup. Barry even stated that this is his personal opinion, and that the fed has no place in defining marriage.


Personally, I think that the gay community is trying to go a step farther than is needed, and therefore is running into unnecessary interferance.

Go for civil unions, with all the legal rights of marriage. Both sides are hung up on the word "marriage", so a smart move would be to bypass that fight, and go for equal rights, not equal rites.

steveksux
05-10-2012, 06:45
Thank God some sins are still forbidden by law.

Now if we can just get the Govt to outlaw eating pork. We're WAY behind in this country outlawing sins in Islam.

If we let homosexuals marry the person of their choice, next thing you know they'll want the right to paint their living room any old color without my approval.

Randy

Dexters
05-10-2012, 06:50
Gay marriage is good for the economy!

Think about the $ spent on:
Rings
Receptions
Homes & furnishing
Divorce
Lawyers

50% of marriages end in divorce - pain and suffering. If being gay is wrong, then gay marriage is God's way of punishing them.

steveksux
05-10-2012, 07:00
blah-blah-blah!
Consensual or not. Gay marriage is not what marriage was deemed to be. People don't want to realize that our Country was founded on Christian beliefs. Another step towards anti Christian beliefs such as gay marriage is another blow to this Country's well being.

Yeah, the country barely survived allowing mixed race marriages. That was not what marriage was deemed to be either, it was an abomination before God, God created different races for a reason, don't want them mixing.

I think the sanctity of marriage argument went out the window when Roseann married Tom Arnold.
Randy

Dexters
05-10-2012, 07:02
I'm sure there are people against gay marriage that are working beside gay people and don't know it.

RustyShackelford
05-10-2012, 07:10
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/149435_449093948453397_205344452828349_100678244_1701245141_n.jpg

Paul7
05-10-2012, 07:14
Yeah, the country barely survived allowing mixed race marriages. That was not what marriage was deemed to be either, it was an abomination before God, God created different races for a reason, don't want them mixing.


Nice try, but the Bible doesn't say anything about mixed race marriages. One of our pastors has a mixed race marriage.

Lethaltxn
05-10-2012, 07:16
Why is the divorce rate always pointed to as if it has any bearing on whether gays should be allowed to marry?
Is the assumption that because straight people get divorced then gays should be able to do it to?

Dexters
05-10-2012, 07:18
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/149435_449093948453397_205344452828349_100678244_1701245141_n.jpg

Why should people have to stay in an unhappy marriage.

Do you have any idea the damage that does to the children?

Seriously, research history getting a divorce used to take a trial and proving blame in some states.

JBnTX
05-10-2012, 07:32
I'm sure there are people against gay marriage that are working beside gay people and don't know it.


Most people don't mind working around gays and don't care what gays do
in the privacy of their own bedroom.

The problem is that gays have brought their lifestyle out of the bedroom
and are trying to force it on normal heterosexual people.

Nobody in this country has a right to get married.

But soon, gays will have a legally protected right to get married.

Don't you see a problem with that?

..

RustyShackelford
05-10-2012, 07:43
Why should people have to stay in an unhappy marriage.

Do you have any idea the damage that does to the children?

Seriously, research history getting a divorce used to take a trial and proving blame in some states.

Does Rush have children who had had their precious lives spared due to his leaving an unhappy marriage?

I was speaking to the hypocrisy of valuing marriage and such but then denying others the right to be with the persons they choose. It's silly to me, that others can tell someone who they cannot marry.

Dexters
05-10-2012, 07:55
Does Rush have children who had had their precious lives spared due to his leaving an unhappy marriage?

The issues isn't if he has children or not.


I was speaking to the hypocrisy of valuing marriage and such but then denying others the right to be with the persons they choose.

I don't know what valuing marriage means. The issue is the people involved - they can get married and they can get divorced.

Getting married does not mean you must be forced to stay in it.




It's silly to me, that others can tell someone who they cannot marry.

I've said similar.

It is just as silly to say someone can not 'un-marry' another person.

NDCent
05-10-2012, 08:14
I could care less if two hairy legged men, or women, get together for a lifetime filled with love and hate. But keep your/their/everyones opinions and teachings about it away from my children, especially in school. The moral values I teach my children are MY business, not anyone elses. And don't throw the Bible **** at me, morality can be taken from many things, religion, philosophy, culture, etc., or any combination of ones life lessons.

Too many people want to throw around the racist, bigot, and homophobe cards if others don't drop to their knees (pun intended) to accept their lifestyle. I don't agree with a lot of things people do, sexual preference is low on the list.

Cavalry Doc
05-10-2012, 09:13
Thank God some sins are still forbidden by law.

Now if we can just get the Govt to outlaw eating pork. We're WAY behind in this country outlawing sins in Islam.

If we let homosexuals marry the person of their choice, next thing you know they'll want the right to paint their living room any old color without my approval.

Randy

Now that would be a reason for a revolution. Gotta have our liberty to eat bacon and pulled pork, otherwise all is lost

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 09:27
Most people don't mind working around gays and don't care what gays do
in the privacy of their own bedroom.

The problem is that gays have brought their lifestyle out of the bedroom
and are trying to force it on normal heterosexual people.

I don't understand this argument. Can you explain what you mean? Is someone trying to force you into a same sex marriage? Allowing another citizen to have the same rights as you is not having them force anything upon you. To the contrary, it is the reverse, by restricting their actions you are forcing your beliefs upon them.

Nobody in this country has a right to get married.

But soon, gays will have a legally protected right to get married.

Don't you see a problem with that?

..

Are you familiar with the Loving v. Virginia case that went before the Supreme Court? This is the case that determined that bans on interracial marriage were unconstitutional. This is a quote from the decision:

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.

The Supreme Court disagrees with your opinion that marriage is not a right. This is why all of the bans passed by the States on same sex marriage are expected to be overturned because the majority cannot restrict the rights of a minority just because they find it distasteful or sinful.

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 09:36
Why is the divorce rate always pointed to as if it has any bearing on whether gays should be allowed to marry?
Is the assumption that because straight people get divorced then gays should be able to do it to?

I think divorce is brought up to point out the hypocrisy of those opposed to same-sex marriage. The Bible discusses divorce far more often than same sex relations. If the reason for opposing marriage equality is due to the sanctity of marriage, then why aren't they also banning divorce?

Paul7
05-10-2012, 09:51
I think divorce is brought up to point out the hypocrisy of those opposed to same-sex marriage. The Bible discusses divorce far more often than same sex relations. If the reason for opposing marriage equality is due to the sanctity of marriage, then why aren't they also banning divorce?

The Old and New Testaments allowed divorce under certain circumstances. That is never true of homosexual activity.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 09:52
I don't understand this argument. Can you explain what you mean? Is someone trying to force you into a same sex marriage? Allowing another citizen to have the same rights as you is not having them force anything upon you. To the contrary, it is the reverse, by restricting their actions you are forcing your beliefs upon them.



Are you familiar with the Loving v. Virginia case that went before the Supreme Court? This is the case that determined that bans on interracial marriage were unconstitutional. This is a quote from the decision:



The Supreme Court disagrees with your opinion that marriage is not a right. This is why all of the bans passed by the States on same sex marriage are expected to be overturned because the majority cannot restrict the rights of a minority just because they find it distasteful or sinful.

Race, unlike same-sex feelings, is immutable.

barbedwiresmile
05-10-2012, 10:18
Nobody in this country has a right to get married.



If you don't like it, don't fly!

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 10:33
The Old and New Testaments allowed divorce under certain circumstances. That is never true of homosexual activity.

I think the point is that Biblical divorce, as you have pointed out, is allowed for very few reasons, but legal divorce can happen for any number of reasons...yet there are no Constitutional amendments being proposed to ban frivolous reasons for divorce. This seems hypocritical when discussing the sanctity of marriage in regards to same sex marriage, but ignoring no fault divorces and the high divorce rate and how that is much more damaging to the institution of marriage.

Dexters
05-10-2012, 10:42
I think the point is that Biblical divorce, as you have pointed out, is allowed for very few reasons, but legal divorce can happen for any number of reasons...yet there are no Constitutional amendments being proposed to ban frivolous reasons for divorce. This seems hypocritical when discussing the sanctity of marriage in regards to same sex marriage, but ignoring no fault divorces and the high divorce rate and how that is much more damaging to the institution of marriage.

There is no universal 'sanctity' of marriage definition.

The 'sanctity' of marriage is defined by each religion.

It is also defined by secular law.

Wake_jumper
05-10-2012, 10:46
Wedding Planners and Divorce Lawyers everywhere are celebrating!

:elephant:

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 10:48
Race, unlike same-sex feelings, is immutable.

I am curious about those that put forth this argument, not that it really matters if something is a choice or not in a free society. Can you identify the moment when you chose to be heterosexual? Do you feel like you have the choice to switch teams? If not, then why do you think others have this choice?

Are you aware that the psychiatrist responsible for the 2001 study that suggested gay people can change their sexual orientation has retracted his claims? (link (http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/04/robert_spitzer_gay_cure.php))

Paul7
05-10-2012, 10:50
The hypocrisy of the pro-gay crowd is they whine about Christians imposing their views, yet Obama did exactly that in his rationale to support gay marriage:

“This is something that, you know, [Michelle and I have] talked about over the years and she, you know, she feels the same way, she feels the same way that I do. And that is that, in the end the values that I care most deeply about and she cares most deeply about is how we treat other people and, you know, I, you know, we are both practicing Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others but, you know, when we think about our faith, the thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf, but it’s also the Golden Rule, you know, treat others the way you would want to be treated…”

RC-RAMIE
05-10-2012, 10:53
The hypocrisy of the pro-gay crowd is they whine about Christians imposing their views, yet Obama did exactly that in his rationale to support gay marriage:

“This is something that, you know, [Michelle and I have] talked about over the years and she, you know, she feels the same way, she feels the same way that I do. And that is that, in the end the values that I care most deeply about and she cares most deeply about is how we treat other people and, you know, I, you know, we are both practicing Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others but, you know, when we think about our faith, the thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf, but it’s also the Golden Rule, you know, treat others the way you would want to be treated…”

I don't understand your argument.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 10:53
I am curious about those that put forth this argument, not that it really matters if something is a choice or not in a free society. Can you identify the moment when you chose to be heterosexual? Do you feel like you have the choice to switch teams? If not, then why do you think others have this choice?

Does an alcoholic not have a choice? A pedophile? An adulterer? I reject the victim mentality. Our society will do anything rather address personal responsibility. Orientation is not a choice, actions are.

Are you aware that the psychiatrist responsible for the 2001 study that suggested gay people can change their sexual orientation has retracted his claims? (link (http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/04/robert_spitzer_gay_cure.php))

Are you aware of many ex-gays that would disagree with that?

http://exodusinternational.org/

The NT, speaking of former homosexuals among others:

"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Here's a book I just finished:

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G29Reload
05-10-2012, 10:54
Most people don't mind working around gays and don't care what gays do
in the privacy of their own bedroom.

The problem is that gays have brought their lifestyle out of the bedroom
and are trying to force it on normal heterosexual people.

Nobody in this country has a right to get married.

But soon, gays will have a legally protected right to get married.

Don't you see a problem with that?

..

On top of that, this is just another distraction.

Just look at this…all you're seeing in the media today.

What are you not seeing?


Obama's failed presidency.

The economy in a state of morass.

Continuing to borrow .40 on every dollar.

Food stamps at an all time high.

U6 pushing 15% on the skewed government miscount, probably closer to 20% (depression levels)

Failure to take appropriate economic measures in defense of us ahead of the implosion of Spain and Greece.


Instead, its "HEY EVERYONE, BUTT********Rs can marry and I say that's cool!"

And that's all everyone is paying attention to. Ooohs and ahhs to our president, the first in history giving the imprimatur of his approval to moral degenerates who a generation ago were appropriately defined as mentally ill, which only stopped due to political pressure. Now they're making a mockery of the institution that is foundational to the family unit and raising children. NExt thing you know they'll be forcing the Catholic church to sponsor Pride parades.:upeyes:

barbedwiresmile
05-10-2012, 10:55
Divide and conquer. It's the oldest (and most effective) trick in the political book. Kleptocrats, kings, and other "leaders" have been doing this for millennia. While you argue about this, you are being robbed blind.

Do you think Obama or anyone else cares about gay rights? Do you think anyone on the other side cares about morals or tradition? They care about getting reelected. They care about power. They care about your money.

So keep debating this. Will make for a typical American election full of platitudes and BS.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 10:55
I don't understand your argument.

Why is it OK to bring up Christianity in support of gay marriage, but not OK to bring it up to oppose gay marriage? Isn't Obama imposing his religious views on the rest of us?

concretefuzzynuts
05-10-2012, 10:56
I'll post it again- I think this is just more dividing the people of this country. I think this is a well calculated political move to cause more disruption, hate and strife. I think this is to take the focus off a failed presidency.

Don't be fooled. Part of the socialist strategy is to divide the masses.

concretefuzzynuts
05-10-2012, 11:01
Divide and conquer. It's the oldest (and most effective) trick in the political book. Kleptocrats, kings, and other "leaders" have been doing this for millennia. While you argue about this, you are being robbed blind.

Do you think Obama or anyone else cares about gay rights? Do you think anyone on the other side cares about morals or tradition? They care about getting reelected. They care about power. They care about your money.

So keep debating this. Will make for a typical American election full of platitudes and BS.

This. You are being duped into worrying about an issue that really does not affect the populous. This is the smoke screen sent to blind you from seeing the real issues- how is the economy? Do you still own your house? When is the last time you got a raise? Do you still have your job? What is the price of oil based products?

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 11:16
Does an alcoholic not have a choice? A pedophile? An adulterer? I reject the victim mentality. Our society will do anything rather address personal responsibility. Orientation is not a choice, actions are.

Are you mixing actions with feelings? Your previous statement was about same-sex feelings (orientation) which cannot be changed.

Are you aware of many ex-gays that would disagree with that?

http://exodusinternational.org/

The NT, speaking of former homosexuals among others:

"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Here's a book I just finished:

Amazon.com: Out of a Far Country: A Gay Son's Journey to God. A Broken Mother's Search for Hope. (9780307729354): Christopher Yuan, Angela Yuan, Kay Warren: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Out-Far-Country-Journey-Mothers/dp/0307729354)

Research has shown that the majority of gay people cannot change their sexual orientation and attempting to do so can cause great harm to them. Many become depressed or suicidal or go on the down low. I've read of several cases where gay people have said they have changed their orientation only to recant later saying they were trying to please their parents, religious leaders, etc.

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 11:19
This. You are being duped into worrying about an issue that really does not affect the populous. This is the smoke screen sent to blind you from seeing the real issues- how is the economy? Do you still own your house? When is the last time you got a raise? Do you still have your job? What is the price of oil based products?

It's an issue that affects gay people. Aren't they part of the populous?

concretefuzzynuts
05-10-2012, 11:29
It's an issue that affects gay people. Aren't they part of the populous?

Yes they are. And because of that the economic issues affect them too. The president did nothing more than state an opinion. Nothing has changed. As a matter of fact, he even affirmed states rights in his statement.

This is all to detract us from a failed presidency.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 11:33
Research has shown that the majority of gay people cannot change their sexual orientation and attempting to do so can cause great harm to them.

Nonsense.

Many become depressed or suicidal or go on the down low.

Studies also show in European nations where the gay agenda is completely accepted gays still have more depression and suicide.

I've read of several cases where gay people have said they have changed their orientation only to recant later saying they were trying to please their parents, religious leaders, etc.

Counseling for sexual orientation is about as successful as anything else people are counseled for. If someone wants to change their orientation, what business is it of yours?

Read the book link I posted. The actual proves the possible.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 11:34
Yes they are. And because of that the economic issues affect them too. The president did nothing more than state an opinion. Nothing has changed. As a matter of fact, he even affirmed states rights in his statement.

This is all to detract us from a failed presidency.

If only he believed in states rights when it comes to immigration law.

RC-RAMIE
05-10-2012, 11:40
Why is it OK to bring up Christianity in support of gay marriage, but not OK to bring it up to oppose gay marriage? Isn't Obama imposing his religious views on the rest of us?

No he explained why he decide to support it he didn't create or make laws based on that reason and then forced them on everybody.

concretefuzzynuts
05-10-2012, 11:59
I think most of us don't care what people do in their personal lives as long as they don't hurt anyone or try to tell me how to live my life. If the laws are to be changed it won't happen by empty rhetoric, words with no action.

Don't be fooled into forgetting how deep this country is in debt. Don't forget the rights already established that are being chiseled away. Don't forget about the people hurting, loosing jobs and houses. Or about the millions of people who have lost ambition and are living off of the government teat.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 13:08
No he explained why he decide to support it he didn't create or make laws based on that reason and then forced them on everybody.

If he votes on a gay marriage referendum based on his religious convictions what's the difference between that and a Christian opposing gay marriage due to their convictions?

oldman11
05-10-2012, 14:17
If he votes on a gay marriage referendum based on his religious convictions what's the difference between that and a Christian opposing gay marriage due to their convictions?
Good question Paul. I wondered that myself.

Walt_NC
05-10-2012, 14:21
If only he believed in states rights when it comes to immigration law.

Out of curiosity, are you the guy who claims to have exorcised demons from a university library that were causing students to get stressed out during finals?

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 14:25
Nonsense.

Dr. Spitzer said, "that failed attempts to rid oneself of homosexual attractions 'can be quite harmful.'" (link (http://www.towleroad.com/2012/04/spitzer.html))

Studies also show in European nations where the gay agenda is completely accepted gays still have more depression and suicide.

This link (http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/same-sex-marriage-law-men-health-0425121/) is an article on a study showing the opposite conclusion. It has found that same sex marriage has improved the physical and mental health of committed gay couples and single gay people. Do you have a link to your study?

Counseling for sexual orientation is about as successful as anything else people are counseled for. If someone wants to change their orientation, what business is it of yours?

Read the book link I posted. The actual proves the possible.

People can try to change their sexual orientation all they want, I'm just pointing out that the scientific studies have all indicated that sexual orientation cannot be changed for most people. Do you have a link to a scientific study showing differently?

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 14:32
If he votes on a gay marriage referendum based on his religious convictions what's the difference between that and a Christian opposing gay marriage due to their convictions?

I still don't understand your argument. Do you believe it is his religious conviction to impose his beliefs and morals on others? Just because you believe something is wrong doesn't mean you believe you can force others to follow your beliefs.

The difference as far as I see it is in allowing others to follow the dictates of their own beliefs vs imposing those beliefs onto the non-believer.

IndianaMatt
05-10-2012, 15:31
What seems to have gone unmentioned in this thread (unless I missed it somewhere) is that family law and family rights are, and have always been, the exclusive legal territory of the states.

Not the federal government - the states.

Federal courts do not hear family law or marriages issues (with some extremely rare exceptions i.e., supplemental jurisdiction).

Don't worry Christians, your "family values" are safe.

Skyhook
05-10-2012, 15:43
I'll post it again- I think this is just more dividing the people of this country. I think this is a well calculated political move to cause more disruption, hate and strife. I think this is to take the focus off a failed presidency.

Don't be fooled. Part of the socialist strategy is to divide the masses.


Obama is the fast track conductor for the train to nowhere. He is absolutely and totally invested in destroying every vestige of traditional, moral, self-governing, free America.

Period, end of discussion.. Obama is the embodiment of the perfect destroyer for this nation at this time.

:steamed:

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 15:47
What seems to have gone unmentioned in this thread (unless I missed it somewhere) is that family law and family rights are, and have always been, the exclusive legal territory of the states.

Not the federal government - the states.

Federal courts do not hear family law or marriages issues (with some extremely rare exceptions i.e., supplemental jurisdiction).

Don't worry Christians, your "family values" are safe.

Sure, family law and family rights are up to the States, as long as they stay within the confines of the Constitution. Denial of same-sex couples the right to marry, when straight couples are given that right has violated the 14th amendment and equal protection under the law. This is similar to how some States banned interracial marriage, only to have it overturned by the Supreme Court.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 16:23
Out of curiosity, are you the guy who claims to have exorcised demons from a university library that were causing students to get stressed out during finals?

Uh, no.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 16:28
Sure, family law and family rights are up to the States, as long as they stay within the confines of the Constitution. Denial of same-sex couples the right to marry, when straight couples are given that right has violated the 14th amendment and equal protection under the law. This is similar to how some States banned interracial marriage, only to have it overturned by the Supreme Court.

Do you have a SCOTUS decision supporting your opinion? Even Elena Kagan said there is no Constitutional right to gay marriage.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 16:29
I still don't understand your argument. Do you believe it is his religious conviction to impose his beliefs and morals on others? Just because you believe something is wrong doesn't mean you believe you can force others to follow your beliefs.

The difference as far as I see it is in allowing others to follow the dictates of their own beliefs vs imposing those beliefs onto the non-believer.

I'm saying he has a right to vote his religious convictions and so do I. The whining from your side about such people only goes one direction. That is hypocrisy.

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 16:47
I'm saying he has a right to vote his religious convictions and so do I. The whining from your side about such people only goes one direction. That is hypocrisy.

I'm still confused about your position, sorry. Are you saying that enforcing your religious beliefs on others is part of your religion? Or did you think that allowing homosexual people to marry each other would somehow force you to be married to another man? From my point of view, it is only one side trying to restrict behavior and that is the anti-marriage equality group.

UtahGlocker
05-10-2012, 16:51
Do you have a SCOTUS decision supporting your opinion? Even Elena Kagan said there is no Constitutional right to gay marriage.

I only know of one term "marriage". Is gay marriage where both couples end up happy? :supergrin: In that case, I hope all marriages are gay.

Same sex couples are hoping to have their right to marriage recognized, but I don't think they call it gay marriage. The Loving v Virginia case went before the Supreme Court. In review of that case, the Supreme Court determined that marriage is a civil right.

Gunhaver
05-10-2012, 18:50
What seems to have gone unmentioned in this thread (unless I missed it somewhere) is that family law and family rights are, and have always been, the exclusive legal territory of the states.

Not the federal government - the states.

Federal courts do not hear family law or marriages issues (with some extremely rare exceptions i.e., supplemental jurisdiction).

Don't worry Christians, your "family values" are safe.

The Supreme Court has overruled 'State's Rights' in reference to interracial marriage, and will again do so. Loving vs. Virginia has been stated in this thread before, and it will continue to be cited because it IS the precedence set.

It's much like the emancipation proclamation overruled state's rights over human rights. It's much like the equal protection clause has given legal protection to minorities. Like it or not, sexual orientation is a minority class. This is the Constitutional Amendment that will be used to overturn all state's rights. Much like the Second Amendment is used to overturn state's rights to outright ban all right to bear arms. You can't cherry pick the Constitution and state that Rights are only given to those you choose are worthy. Being a homosexual is no longer a felony. Sodomy laws were overturned in Lawrence vs Texas.

The precedents are all over the place. Everything is lined up. This will go to the supreme court and they will set it straight for all states like it or not.

Gunhaver
05-10-2012, 19:02
I'm saying he has a right to vote his religious convictions and so do I. The whining from your side about such people only goes one direction. That is hypocrisy.

You don't have the right to vote your religious conviction with regards to other people's rights. You don't get to vote to make shellfish, touching women on their period, or wearing clothes of mixed fibers illegal because others have a right to do those things and it doesn't affect you when they do except for the fact that you may be so bat **** crazy that you just can't get over it and that's your problem.

All that's left is a Supreme Court decision and you won't be bothered to have to vote on this issue either. Really, what's been going the conservatives way recently? People are clearly getting sick of this garbage.

juggy4711
05-10-2012, 19:30
Talk about a tempest in a teacup. Barry even stated that this is his personal opinion, and that the fed has no place in defining marriage...Both sides are hung up on the word "marriage", so a smart move would be to bypass that fight, and go for equal rights, not equal rites.

Well said.

Now that would be a reason for a revolution. Gotta have our liberty to eat bacon and pulled pork, otherwise all is lost

Amen :supergrin:

Divide and conquer. It's the oldest (and most effective) trick in the political book. Kleptocrats, kings, and other "leaders" have been doing this for millennia. While you argue about this, you are being robbed blind.

Do you think Obama or anyone else cares about gay rights? Do you think anyone on the other side cares about morals or tradition? They care about getting reelected. They care about power. They care about your money.

So keep debating this. Will make for a typical American election full of platitudes and BS.

Dead on.

...This is all to detract us from a failed presidency.

Once more dead on.

If he votes on a gay marriage referendum based on his religious convictions what's the difference between that and a Christian opposing gay marriage due to their convictions?

Who's voe are you talking about?

steveksux
05-10-2012, 19:45
Nice try, but the Bible doesn't say anything about mixed race marriages. One of our pastors has a mixed race marriage.Sorry, you lose. That was precisely one of the arguments, that it offended God. Between God made the races seperate for a reason, to the whole "its an abomination before God" schtick.

Randy

steveksux
05-10-2012, 19:51
Why is it OK to bring up Christianity in support of gay marriage, but not OK to bring it up to oppose gay marriage? Isn't Obama imposing his religious views on the rest of us?That's a remarkably stupid argument.

How is stating his views on the subject imposing his views on anyone?

Randy

certifiedfunds
05-10-2012, 20:35
Counseling for sexual orientation is about as successful as anything else people are counseled for. If someone wants to change their orientation, what business is it of yours?



Could you be counseled into being gay?

certifiedfunds
05-10-2012, 20:37
Some people really need to concern themselves less with how others live their lives.

I suspect there are some folks on this thread who have been repressing their gayness for a long, long time, causing anger and hostility toward gays.

Cavalry Doc
05-11-2012, 05:55
Some people really need to concern themselves less with how others live their lives.

I suspect there are some folks on this thread who have been repressing their gayness for a long, long time, causing anger and hostility toward gays.

We sort of agree, at least on some people. Some actually view it as their duty to point out sinful behavior. And it can be motivated by sincere concern for the individual they are not approving of. Love the sinner, hate the sin sort of a thing, but the reason that is a very common saying, is that it is very difficult to do.

On the other hand, some people do have latent homosexual tendencies. I guess it's time for me to come out of the closet. They say that every man has a feminine side, and I discovered several years ago, that my feminine side was a lesbian.


Whew, feels good to get that off my chest, I've felt so repressed....

[/sarcasm]

Cavalry Doc
05-11-2012, 05:56
Could you be counseled into being gay?

Evidently, you can be incarcerated into it, voluntarily AND involuntarily.

Cavalry Doc
05-11-2012, 05:58
That's a remarkably stupid argument.

How is stating his views on the subject imposing his views on anyone?

Randy

It's only stupid if you haven't given it any thought.

It's not an issue for the president to need to discuss at all. It is simply a political too, as was his religious association with Rev. Wright.

Invoking religion, when he is not an expert in religion would be something to remark about.

certifiedfunds
05-11-2012, 06:07
Evidently, you can be incarcerated into it, voluntarily AND involuntarily.

So the government can make you gay.

I wonder if we locked up gay men with straight women long enough if they'd switch?

BTW, we need to stop with all this "you" business and use "one" instead.:supergrin:

Skyhook
05-11-2012, 06:08
Sure, family law and family rights are up to the States, as long as they stay within the confines of the Constitution. Denial of same-sex couples the right to marry, when straight couples are given that right has violated the 14th amendment and equal protection under the law. This is similar to how some States banned interracial marriage, only to have it overturned by the Supreme Court.

Oh, the big hammer possessed by the feddles is simpler than that; it's connected to how much feddle funding the state receives. If a state refuses to allow weird men to marry their pets, for example, the federals could simply threaten to cut off funding for something or other and the spineless, self-serving state politicians will cave rather than face public outcry from those addicted to whichever program those federal dollars were headed.

DEPENDENCY is an art form in the political world and as long as states depend upon federal monies (which came from their citizens originally), then the feddles have the stateys by the you-know-whats.

I'm Such a Bird
05-11-2012, 08:26
Obama Approves of Gay Marriage

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Obama-voices-his-support-for-gay-marriage-150820215.html

What's the big deal about this? Did Dick Cheney get nearly the same amount of approval from the mainstream media when he said the same thing almost three years ago?

Dick Cheney on Same-Sex Marriage - YouTube

In my opinion, Obama was pretty slow to evolve to his current position regarding this matter.

:rofl:

Paul7
05-11-2012, 10:33
I only know of one term "marriage". Is gay marriage where both couples end up happy? :supergrin: In that case, I hope all marriages are gay.

Same sex couples are hoping to have their right to marriage recognized, but I don't think they call it gay marriage. The Loving v Virginia case went before the Supreme Court. In review of that case, the Supreme Court determined that marriage is a civil right.

That case involved the immutable trait of race, not a made-up category of people with same-sex feelings.

Paul7
05-11-2012, 10:37
You don't have the right to vote your religious conviction with regards to other people's rights.

Except there is no Constitutional right for two men/women to marry. What motivates me to vote a certain way is none of your business.

You don't get to vote to make shellfish, touching women on their period, or wearing clothes of mixed fibers illegal because others have a right to do those things

Cite? ALL laws are an imposition of morality.

and it doesn't affect you when they do except for the fact that you may be so bat **** crazy that you just can't get over it and that's your problem.

Flailing around and namecalling, is that all you've got?

All that's left is a Supreme Court decision and you won't be bothered to have to vote on this issue either. Really, what's been going the conservatives way recently? People are clearly getting sick of this garbage.

Did you miss the NC referendum this week?

Paul7
05-11-2012, 10:39
Sorry, you lose. That was precisely one of the arguments, that it offended God. Between God made the races seperate for a reason, to the whole "its an abomination before God" schtick.

Randy

And it was a wrong, unbiblical argument, or do you get the blame for atheists killing 100 million last century? You don't judge a philosophy by it's misuse.

Paul7
05-11-2012, 10:40
I'm still confused about your position, sorry. Are you saying that enforcing your religious beliefs on others is part of your religion?

Martin Luther King, William Wilberforce, or Dietrich Bonhoeffer would say it is. Christians have just as much right to influence public policy as anyone else.

Or did you think that allowing homosexual people to marry each other would somehow force you to be married to another man? From my point of view, it is only one side trying to restrict behavior and that is the anti-marriage equality group.

I'm saying marriage is properly understood as being between a man and woman.

Paul7
05-11-2012, 10:41
Could you be counseled into being gay?

I don't know, could you be counseled into being an alcoholic?

Paul7
05-11-2012, 10:43
That's a remarkably stupid argument.

How is stating his views on the subject imposing his views on anyone?

Randy

You don't even see your own hypocrisy. You moan about Christians using their religion to oppose gay marriage, yet are too blind to see Obama is doing exactly that to support gay marriage. The double standard is amazing.

certifiedfunds
05-11-2012, 10:46
I don't know, could you be counseled into being an alcoholic?

I don't believe so.

So are you asserting that counseling can change one's sexual orientation, or not?

snerd
05-11-2012, 11:09
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Skyhook
05-11-2012, 12:34
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:supergrin::supergrin:

'Bama Man sorta just 'rolled over' on this issue.

Gee, I'll bet this is his only flipper-flopper, right? :rofl:

G22Dude
05-11-2012, 12:43
:supergrin::supergrin:

'Bama Man sorta just 'rolled over' on this issue.

Gee, I'll bet this is his only flipper-flopper, right? :rofl:

The thing that blows my mind is that he in essense punted on the issue. Ok he came out in support of gay marriage, but exactly what does he propose to do to make it happen. He deferred to the state. Hell, when NY State passed this crap last year he applauded it as right for that state. So what has Barry done for gays lately

Gunhaver
05-11-2012, 16:24
Except there is no Constitutional right for two men/women to marry. What motivates me to vote a certain way is none of your business.

Really? Do you think you can just be denied a marriage license when they hand them out by the thousands every day because somebody doesn't like the look on your face? I seem to remember hearing something somewhere about equal protection. When the gay marriage goes to the Supreme Court expect to hear that phrase a lot.

Cite? ALL laws are an imposition of morality.

But the question is who's morality? Cranky old 'Christians'? That becomes less the case every day.

Flailing around and namecalling, is that all you've got?

If that's all you'll see. I know your mind is made up on this issue but your mind doesn't need to change for the situation to change. You only need to be out voiced or die off and then society can move along a tiny step. Voice your ignorance loud and clear. Scream your lame, ineffective arguments from the rooftops. You're actually helping by providing a wonderful example of what more people everyday don't want to be.



Did you miss the NC referendum this week?

I saw that. Did you miss the laughing stock it made NC to the rest of the country? "North Carolina, where you can't marry your gay lover but you can always marry your cousin." This anti gay marriage mindset is associated with southern redneck bible belt ignorance and rightfully so. The stupider the bigots make themselves out on one issue the less seriously they look on all the others.

No matter, the SCOTUS will set this straight for all states soon enough. Do me a favor and post a video of your head exploding when they do.

Skyhook
05-11-2012, 16:28
I saw that. Did you miss the laughing stock it made NC to the rest of the country? "North Carolina, where you can't marry your gay lover but you can always marry your cousin." This anti gay marriage mindset is associated with southern redneck bible belt ignorance and rightfully so. The stupider the bigots make themselves out on one issue the less seriously they look on all the others.

No matter, the SCOTUS will set this straight for all states soon enough. Do me a favor and post a video of your head exploding when they do.

.2% of the country?:upeyes:

Jim Watson
05-11-2012, 16:39
The NC traditional marriage vote was what, no 39. All 100% successful, including California. Yes, there are cases wending their way through the court system and no doubt a Liberal supreme court will back up the homosexuals, but it will be by concluding that the majority of the population is wrong.

Skyhook
05-11-2012, 16:51
Like other '60s 'everything's the same as every thing else' philosophy, this pendulum has reached it's far-left apex and is heading right.

Halleluiah!!

Witnessing it will be soul-enhancing and invigorating.

Gundude
05-11-2012, 16:51
but it will be by concluding that the majority of the population is wrong.Does that conclusion seem far-fetched to you?

Gunhaver
05-11-2012, 17:46
Like other '60s 'everything's the same as every thing else' philosophy, this pendulum has reached it's far-left apex and is heading right.

Halleluiah!!

Witnessing it will be soul-enhancing and invigorating.

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certifiedfunds
05-11-2012, 17:48
Does that conclusion seem far-fetched to you?

The majority is very often wrong. As is conventional wisdom.

frank4570
05-11-2012, 19:07
The reason everybody has to vote for romney is to stop the gays. It doesn't matter what else he does as long as he stops the gays. And once he is elected the issue will vanish.
The obvious consistent national trend toward acceptance of gay marriage will be immediately stopped because Obama is out of the whitehouse.




:upeyes: Goofy people.

certifiedfunds
05-11-2012, 20:39
The reason everybody has to vote for romney is to stop the gays. It doesn't matter what else he does as long as he stops the gays. And once he is elected the issue will vanish.


That + he is not Obama

Paul7
05-11-2012, 21:03
I don't believe so.

So are you asserting that counseling can change one's sexual orientation, or not?

Yes it can.

For those of you who think this was a smart move politically a poll today said twice as many said it would make them less likely to vote for Obama than for him.

certifiedfunds
05-11-2012, 21:06
Yes it can.



Then answer the question: Could YOU, Paul7, be counseled into gayness?

Paul7
05-11-2012, 21:08
I saw that. Did you miss the laughing stock it made NC to the rest of the country?

You really live in an alternate universe. Traditional marriage wins every time yet to you, Obama, and the MSM presstitutes NC is a laughingstock. It says more about you than NC.

Paul7
05-11-2012, 21:11
Then answer the question: Could YOU, Paul7, be counseled into gayness?

It's possible for me to sin in any conceivable way, being a fallen human being. Do you deny people have changed their orientation? The actual proves the possible.

Speaking from a Christian perspective it is always possible to do the will of God. A Christian with same-sex feelings is in the same position as a Christian single or a married Christian in a bad marriage who is tempted by adultery.

certifiedfunds
05-11-2012, 21:17
It's possible for me to sin in any conceivable way, being a fallen human being. Do you deny people have changed their orientation? The actual proves the possible.

Speaking from a Christian perspective it is always possible to do the will of God. A Christian with same-sex feelings is in the same position as a Christian single or a married Christian in a bad marriage who is tempted by adultery.

So the answer is yes? Paul7 could be convinced to put a little sugar in his tank?

But, yes, as a matter of fact, I do deny it. I'll freely admit that they may have changed their sexual practices, but changed orientation? No.

RCP
05-11-2012, 21:24
The reason everybody has to vote for romney is to stop the gays. It doesn't matter what else he does as long as he stops the gays. And once he is elected the issue will vanish.
The obvious consistent national trend toward acceptance of gay marriage will be immediately stopped because Obama is out of the whitehouse.




:upeyes: Goofy people.

:rofl:

Paul7
05-11-2012, 21:26
But, yes, as a matter of fact, I do deny it. I'll freely admit that they may have changed their sexual practices, but changed orientation? No.

Why do you say that, because it doesn't fit your agenda? If someone wants to undergo counseling to change their orientation, what do you care?

certifiedfunds
05-11-2012, 21:34
Why do you say that, because it doesn't fit your agenda? If someone wants to undergo counseling to change their orientation, what do you care?

I don't care. More power to them if it works. I just don't believe it can. Counseling can't change your chromosomes. I have to think the life of a hetero is a fair bit easier than that of a homo.

And I don't have an agenda other than to let people live their lives without others interfering with it and to restrict the federal government's involvement in marriage to zero.

Unlike you apparently, I don't believe I could be counseled into gayness.

Paul7
05-11-2012, 21:38
I don't care. More power to them if it works. I just don't believe it can. Counseling can't change your chromosomes. I have to think the life of a hetero is a fair bit easier than that of a homo.

And I don't have an agenda other than to let people live their lives without others interfering with it and to restrict the federal government's involvement in marriage to zero.

Unlike you apparently, I don't believe I could be counseled into gayness.

That is a meaningless hypothetical question. Has anyone tried? There HAVE been people who have been successfully counseling from same-sex attraction.

juggy4711
05-11-2012, 21:39
It's possible for me to sin in any conceivable way, being a fallen human being. Do you deny people have changed their orientation? The actual proves the possible.

Speaking from a Christian perspective it is always possible to do the will of God. A Christian with same-sex feelings is in the same position as a Christian single or a married Christian in a bad marriage who is tempted by adultery.

Which of the following are sins/wrong behaviors that should be matters of law?

1) A single person sleeping with a married person.
2) A married person sleeping with another married person that is not their spouse.
3) A single person sleeping with another single person.

?