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snerd
05-09-2012, 14:36
Very interesting.................
The numbers don’t lie, do they? That all depends, I guess, on which numbers you mean.

After a year of protesting and fighting to recall Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, an interesting number peered its way into the public yesterday—the primary vote tally. The total number of votes cast in the Democratic Party primary for Governor was only 650,725.

Why is this number so interesting?

Well, because we have all heard for months now how many furious Wisconsinites there are in the dairy state. And, of course, how they accounted for over one million signatures to recall Governor Walker. Over one million! That’s right, over one million Wisconsinites supposedly signed the petitions, but only 650,725 showed up to vote. That’s about 40% fewer voters than signers. How likely is that?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/09/one-million-recall-signatures-and-only-650k-votes

FL Airedale
05-09-2012, 14:55
Some people probably signed just to get the requestor to leave them alone. Then they just didn't show up to vote because they really don't want Walker recalled or they just don't care at all.

aspartz
05-09-2012, 15:20
It's hard for false signers to go to the polls. Too bad a Dane county judge has put a stick in the spokes of the WI voter ID rules.

ARS

Brucev
05-09-2012, 15:22
It was a primary. What will matter is the general election. Walker better get his act together and mend as many fences as possible and build all the bridges he can because he has really put himself behind the eight ball. He totally miscalculated the blowback from his high handed methods.

JK-linux
05-09-2012, 15:59
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callihan_44
05-09-2012, 16:02
It was a primary. What will matter is the general election. Walker better get his act together and mend as many fences as possible and build all the bridges he can because he has really put himself behind the eight ball. He totally miscalculated the blowback from his high handed methods.

didnt walker recieve more votes alone vs all the democrat challengers?

G29Reload
05-09-2012, 17:03
He totally miscalculated the blowback from his high handed methods.

No, he didnt'.

the only miscalculation was on the part of the union bosses who's candidate lost BADLY.

Walker got 97%of his party's vote.

It was a surprise to see the dem left throw such an imbecilic temper tantrum.

Walker will prevail in the end.

happyguy
05-09-2012, 17:39
It was a primary. What will matter is the general election. Walker better get his act together and mend as many fences as possible and build all the bridges he can because he has really put himself behind the eight ball. He totally miscalculated the blowback from his high handed methods.

Waaah!

Regards,
Happyguy:)

Cavalry Doc
05-09-2012, 17:44
Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, the Dallas Cowboys, sounds familiar.

aircarver
05-09-2012, 19:04
Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, the Dallas Cowboys, sounds familiar.

They let 'em sign petitions, but they don't let 'em vote ! .....

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Brucev
05-09-2012, 19:08
didnt walker recieve more votes alone vs all the democrat challengers?

I'm not sure. I never heard of him until he won election. And I paid him no attention until he got to going round and round with the demokrats.

Brucev
05-09-2012, 19:13
No, he didnt'.

the only miscalculation was on the part of the union bosses who's candidate lost BADLY.

Walker got 97%of his party's vote.

It was a surprise to see the dem left throw such an imbecilic temper tantrum.

Walker will prevail in the end.

Things haven't gone so hot for Walker since he stepped in the mud with the demokrats. This recall election is going to be a mess. He and his supporters had better take it seriously as the demokrats are going to throw everything including the kitchen sink at him. I don't consider him much of a governor. But, he is a republican. And for that reason alone I'd support him. I think in many ways his ideas are half-baked. But, come November, every state with a republican governor is more likely to support a broad republican ticket and that is best for America. So... hopefully Walker will get his act together. He's going to have to if he really wants to be more than a unfortunate historical oddity.

Cavalry Doc
05-09-2012, 19:19
They let 'em sign petitions, but they don't let 'em vote ! .....

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Well, not if you have a voter ID law.

QNman
05-09-2012, 19:20
I wonder how many Chicago voters showed up? :whistling:

aspartz
05-09-2012, 19:39
Do they have voter ID in Wisconsin yet? I'm not sure, but I think it goes online soon.

Well, not if you have a voter ID law.
AS of 26 April 2012:
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/appeals-court-turns-away-challenge-to-second-voter-id-injunction/article_7e663b64-8fe0-11e1-8b61-001a4bcf887a.html

Circuit Judge David Flanagan's injunction against the Voter ID law is still in force.

ARS

G29Reload
05-09-2012, 19:55
Things haven't gone so hot for Walker since he stepped in the mud with the demokrats. This recall election is going to be a mess. He and his supporters had better take it seriously as the demokrats are going to throw everything including the kitchen sink at him.

You're clearly not paying attention.

The election won't be a mess, it will go off like any other, and Walker will win. He won more than all the other candidates combined. The unions handpicked candidate got his butt handed to him. They've already tried the kitchen sink, and we are not impressed.

And there's a good possibility BHO will not carry WI.

concretefuzzynuts
05-09-2012, 20:07
Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Adolph Hitler didn't show up?

stevelyn
05-09-2012, 21:48
I'm betting that a lot of those signatures are of folks who reside in cemetaries and just couldn't dig themselves out in time to go vote.

clint curtis
05-09-2012, 22:56
How much money have the Koch brothers sent to Walker so far? Is some of that money going to his (Walker) criminal defense fund? What interest do the Koch brothers have in Wisconsin politics? Are the Koch brothers anti-union? If so, is this really a national issue?

Misty02
05-09-2012, 23:16
This link contains the combined the average number of voters registered by state and the average voter participation for something as major as a presidential election. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/11/01/ranking-states-with-best-and-worst-voter-turnout.html Assuming this data is accurate, it would not be difficult to imagine much lower turn out for other votes. To that you can add the possibility that many that signed the petition might not be eligible to vote. Where petitions are concerned, do they check to make sure only one signature per person is counted? Even if no fraud was involved there are still many ways to explain the discrepancy in the numbers.

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callihan_44
05-10-2012, 06:12
How much money have the Koch brothers sent to Walker so far? Is some of that money going to his (Walker) criminal defense fund? What interest do the Koch brothers have in Wisconsin politics? Are the Koch brothers anti-union? If so, is this really a national issue?

WTF does this have to do with them? Walker told you what he was going to do if elected, your state had issues and he made good on trying to fix them. Do you want to see the state bleed red forever? You libs better realize "someone else's money" is dried up.

aircarver
05-10-2012, 06:21
Liberals never let reality intrude ......:upeyes:

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walt cowan
05-10-2012, 06:23
dibold wins again!

clint curtis
05-10-2012, 08:18
WTF does this have to do with them? Walker told you what he was going to do if elected, your state had issues and he made good on trying to fix them. Do you want to see the state bleed red forever? You libs better realize "someone else's money" is dried up.

Walker never said anything about helping the Koch brothers in there quest to get rid of unions in the U.S., when he was trying to get elected. Everything Walker wanted from the teachers union, they were willing to give him. But I guess the Koch brothers didn't care, as their goal is destroying unions. Walker ignored their consessions, and rammed though his union busting legislation. This is really a battle of the middle class, verses the billionaires. Millionaires create jobs in the United States, billionaires for the most part, don't concern themselves about much more than getting their hands on more money.
Why do billionaires want to change the U.S.? Why don't they and their money just move to Mexico. They wouldn't have to change much, as their middle class is long gone. It would be like heaven to them. It's a piece of crap country, just like they want the United States to be.

callihan_44
05-10-2012, 08:27
Walker never said anything about helping the Koch brothers in there quest to get rid of unions in the U.S., when he was trying to get elected. Everything Walker wanted from the teachers union, they were willing to give him. But I guess the Koch brothers didn't care, as ther goal is destroying unions. Walker ignored their consessions, and rammed though his union busting legislation. This is really a battle of the middle class, verses the billionaires. Millionaires create jobs in the United States, billionaires for the most part, don't concern themselves about much more than getting their hands on more money.
Why do billionaires want to change the U.S.? Why don't they and their money just move to Mexico. They wouldn't have to change much, as their middle class is long gone. It would be like heaven to them. It's a piece of crap country, just like they want the United States to be.

who speaks for the taxpayers that's paying the bill? THE PEOPLE SPOKE WHEN THEY VOTED FOR WALKER...GET OVER IT.

clint curtis
05-10-2012, 08:51
who speaks for the taxpayers that's paying the bill? THE PEOPLE SPOKE WHEN THEY VOTED FOR WALKER...GET OVER IT.

The voters will speak in less than one month. Because of Walker's overreach for the billionaires, Wisconsin might end up with a governor that will overreach for the welfare slime. If all the jobs that went to China came back, Wisconsin, and the United States wouldn't have the financial problems we now face.
If you thing that billionaires care about you......you are a fricken idiot.

Brucev
05-10-2012, 08:59
You're clearly not paying attention.

The election won't be a mess, it will go off like any other, and Walker will win. He won more than all the other candidates combined. The unions handpicked candidate got his butt handed to him. They've already tried the kitchen sink, and we are not impressed.

And there's a good possibility BHO will not carry WI.

With almost no hesitation one could easily donate Wisconsin and Michigan to Canada and not even miss them. That having been said, Walker has got a mess on his hands. Angry people are much more likely to go to the polls than those who are happy with the way things are. The demokrats know how to gin up their base. They have a very effective state wide organization in place. And Walker is trying to walk to the polls with one foot in his mouth. Simply put, he has acted stupidly. He gave the demokrats bricks to throw at his glass house. It is no surprise that they will throw them and get everyone they can find to throw them. If Walker can hang on, good. Maybe he can do something about his stupid gene. He can't depend on astroturf supporters to get him through this recall.

As to the squatter... he'll likely get michigan the same way he got other states in the last election cycle... the demokrats will get their base and supporters to the polls while conservatives and republicans vacillate because one or the other of their particularly preferred primary candidates didn't get the nomination. Maybe not. Hope is a good thing.

callihan_44
05-10-2012, 09:01
The voters will speak in less than one month. Because of Walker's overreach for the billionaires, Wisconsin might end up with a governor that will overreach for the welfare slime. If all the jobs that went to China came back, Wisconsin, and the United States wouldn't have the financial problems we now face.
If you thing that billionaires care about you......you are a fricken idiot.

you better take a step back and check yourself bud, your mouth is gonna overload your *****

Brucev
05-10-2012, 09:02
who speaks for the taxpayers that's paying the bill? THE PEOPLE SPOKE WHEN THEY VOTED FOR WALKER...GET OVER IT.

The taxpayers are not alone the voters, nor should they be. The voters call the shots, taxpayers or not. And that is exactly how it should be. That is exactly how it is. Get over it.

Brucev
05-10-2012, 09:08
[QUOTE=clint curtis;18949736]Walker never said anything about helping the Koch brothers in there quest to get rid of unions in the U.S., when he was trying to get elected. Everything Walker wanted from the teachers union, they were willing to give him. But I guess the Koch brothers didn't care, as ther goal is destroying unions. Walker ignored their consessions, and rammed though his union busting legislation. This is really a battle of the middle class, verses the billionaires. Millionaires create jobs in the United States, billionaires for the most part, don't concern themselves about much more than getting their hands on more money. Bingo! You win the prize! You got the answer right 100% without any confusion. Excellent. Applause to you. As a actual resident, it is understandable that you would so clearly grasp the reality that is the state of affairs in Wisconsin. How wonderful it would be if others could think so clearly.

Why do billionaires want to change the U.S.? Why? It's all about control. Some people like to rule while squatting in the white house while others like to rule while playing with money.

callihan_44
05-10-2012, 09:08
The taxpayers are not alone the voters, nor should they be. The voters call the shots, taxpayers or not. And that is exactly how it should be. That is exactly how it is. Get over it.

WTF are you talking about? DID I mention anything about non taxpayers not having a voice? son get off the drugs, your going to disappoint your parents

Brucev
05-10-2012, 09:10
"If you think that billionaires care about you......you are a fricken idiot." Come now. It doesn't mean someone is an idiot if they believe billionaires care about them. That's something even morons can do.

Brucev
05-10-2012, 09:15
WTF are you talking about? DID I mention anything about non taxpayers not having a voice? son get off the drugs, your going to disappoint your parents

The point made is apt. The people are not all taxpayers. But the people who voted are the people who exercised that franchise, tax payer or not. And they spoke for the people, tax payers included.

Now... as to drugs... you run along and talk to your mommy. She'll help you with your Ritalin. :wavey:

callihan_44
05-10-2012, 09:20
The point made is apt. The people are not all taxpayers. But the people who voted are the people who exercised that franchise, tax payer or not. And they spoke for the people, tax payers included.

Now... as to drugs... you run along and talk to your mommy. She'll help you with your Ritalin. :wavey:
AGAIN, I dont know wtf your problem is BUT there is NOTHING in my post stating that ALL people didnt have a say....Let your head clear of any delusional thought before spill your ingorance out for all to see.

Cavalry Doc
05-10-2012, 09:21
The taxpayers are not alone the voters, nor should they be. The voters call the shots, taxpayers or not. And that is exactly how it should be. That is exactly how it is. Get over it.

Well, that is debatable. I'd be fine if voting were limited to those that have and end of year tax liability. Taxation with representation, as opposed to representation without taxes. If people pay property tax, they should be able to vote in the region assessing those taxes.

That will never happen, but that seems fair.

Lethaltxn
05-10-2012, 09:31
If you thing that billionaires care about you......you are a fricken idiot.
"If you think that billionaires care about you......you are a fricken idiot." Come now. It doesn't mean someone is an idiot if they believe billionaires care about them. That's something even morons can do.

Both seem to miss the point entirely.
Liberal logic.

windplex
05-10-2012, 09:45
How much money have the Koch brothers sent to Walker so far? Is some of that money going to his (Walker) criminal defense fund? What interest do the Koch brothers have in Wisconsin politics? Are the Koch brothers anti-union? If so, is this really a national issue?

WOW, Really?!

Kopch bros are a ploy by the dem party to villionize walker and all Rs.

the national unions spend 30 million in last round or recalls and Koch Bros donated under $200,000 to all Rs running in past YEARS (including the recall). a drop in the bucket from the koch bros. but 30 million is huge money in this market and buys a ton of time on tv.

The real story that no one will report is how much money and influence peddling the national unions are paying for play in WI.

Kock bros employ hundreds of UNION workers in WI. A simpleton D congresswoman suggested boycotting their paper company and then the D leader of green bay informed her that those are WI jobs AND Union jobs. She backtracked and tried to deny the boycott she started. Oops! Ignorance combined with blind following of D talking points can get one in deep do-do.

snerd
05-10-2012, 11:18
The voters will speak in less than one month. Because of Walker's overreach for the billionaires, Wisconsin might end up with a governor that will overreach for the welfare slime. If all the jobs that went to China came back, Wisconsin, and the United States wouldn't have the financial problems we now face.
If you thing that billionaires care about you......you are a fricken idiot.
Wisconsin Recall Election: Walker 50%, Barrett 45%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_governor_elections/wisconsin/wisconsin_recall_election_walker_50_barrett_45

windplex
05-10-2012, 11:36
Over reach has been the unions and their members who believe that the national and wisconsin's economy may be in the tank and our government is broke but they will not ever take a penny less in salary nor pay a penny more for platnum healthcare and being able to retire at 47 to 55. they will first see hundreds of teachers fired than give a penny to help (and they told us it was about education -- turns out not to be true).

The whole recall started, second in history for the entire country for a govenor, and was based solely on evil Walker's "taking away the "rights" of union workers to negotiate (every teensy weeny detail of their job and work environment)".

Well now that the populace has seen the tantrum of the unions and dems. And seen that indeed the sky has not fallen and schools are not closing like video rental stores and learned that the teachers union (which schools were contractually forced to buy insurance from) sold a $19,000 policy for $29,000.

Well now the recall has nothing to do with act 10 -- union bargaining "rights". Now its about jobs. Its about the war on women. Its about the environment. Its about everything but what it is really about since the majority of the populace no longer has any sympathy for union memeber who, God forbid, now must pay 5% of their health care costs and 12% of their retirement and they still retire at no later than 55 while the rest of us -- well we retire when we can afford it or no earlier than 65 and many later.

Walker will win by a small margin. It will be tight. Will not be as close when he wins a second term in about 2 years (after the populace sees more results).

windplex
05-10-2012, 13:38
[QUOTE=]... Everything Walker wanted from the teachers union, they were willing to give him. ....

This was the claim. A claim made by people who had absolutely no ability to speak for teahers or other union members. Trumpka was one who said this lie.

Teachers unions are numerous in WI so there is no central authority to speak on behalf of numberous chapters.

And as it turned out, NO teachers were not willing to negotiate one iota. The school disctricts that rushed to sign the teachers to another contract and lock in the obscene contracts -- well later some of these superintendents went back and said if you will do what you promissed I dont have to fire 400 teachers. they said talk to us when this contract is up.

so it was another lie in a series of lies from unions and politicians working in concert to keep control of the state and steal from the people to give to unions to give to dem politicians.

[QUOTE=][I]... Why do billionaires want to change the U.S.? Why? It's all about control. Some people like to rule while squatting in the white house while others like to rule while playing with money.

Koch bros employ union members.

Walker never went after a single union member or union that was not a government union. still hasnt gone after fire fighters or police unions since they will do an illegal work stoppage and endanger the public.

So if billionaires supported walker to break unions they backed the wrong man. he said categoricially he will not touch non-governmental unions. and has lived up to his word. Walker,s word is always good.

clint curtis
05-10-2012, 15:18
Walker/Koch 45%......... Barrett/middleclass 55%

concretefuzzynuts
05-10-2012, 16:17
Walker/Koch 45%......... Barrett/middleclass 55%

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/images-1-1.jpg

concretefuzzynuts
05-10-2012, 16:18
The point made is apt. The people are not all taxpayers. But the people who voted are the people who exercised that franchise, tax payer or not. And they spoke for the people, tax payers included.

Now... as to drugs... you run along and talk to your mommy. She'll help you with your Ritalin. :wavey:

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/concretefuzzynuts/images-2-2.jpg

snerd
05-10-2012, 16:40
More good news for Walker...........

Wisconsin voters happy as Walker brings boom

Unemployment has dropped from 7.7 percent to 6.8 percent since Walker took office. Unemployment in neighboring Illinois, however, only dropped below 9 percent in March—the first time it has done so in two years.

Wisconsin property taxes have fallen for the first time in 12 years. The state’s adult debt per capita is roughly $687. Illinois’ is about $853.

http://freebeacon.com/the-wisconsin-boom/

F350
05-10-2012, 17:37
How much money have the Koch brothers sent to Walker so far? Is some of that money going to his (Walker) criminal defense fund? What interest do the Koch brothers have in Wisconsin politics? Are the Koch brothers anti-union? If so, is this really a national issue?


I just LOVE the way the Koch brothers get you libritar's goat.....

KOCH BROTHERS; KOCH BROTHERS; KOCH BROTHERS :tongueout:

windplex
05-11-2012, 11:13
we had some interesting "rubber meets the road" situations in WI that illustrated some important aspects of the union mentality as well as dem political mentality.

teachers in one school district werre given an across the board $6,000 wage increase made possible solely by Walker's Act 10. Teacher reaction: The teachers complained.

Milwaukee public school teachers voted whether to pay a minute portion of their medical (or stay at zero contribution) and a minute portion of their retirement benefits (or stay at zero contribution in order to save 400 teacher jobs that would have to be cut.

Teachers ("for whom its all about the education and not about the money") voted for firing their 400 peers and against making a minute contribution -- a small fraction of what the rest of America pays.

one group of teachers wer asked to take on one more class a day in exchange for $16,000 increase. Teacher reaction: We are afraid we would burn out. Please has anyone here ever reacted to the option to take another $16,000 grand in salary with elevated responsibilities? I've never heard that reaction to a raise before and i suspect not many Wisconsintes have either nor would they react that way given such a choice.

Doyle - former govenor - made education cuts that were deeper and consequently made many more teachers loose their jobs than Walker. And with walker not a single teacher had to loose their jobs if school disctricts used his tools. the paper and the dems are not interested in this fact.

Some municipalities cut taxes! The paper is not interested in this.

Walker did what he said he would do and faces a recall for doing it -- they claim he is doing things he did not say he would do. So why are these same recall-drivers not trying to recall Obama who swore there would be no medical mandate. Swore that we could all keep our current healcarwe providers among other things. Seems tjhose dissatisfied with one politician doing something he did not say he would do would then go after one who swore he would not do things and then do them.

Democrats in the legislature killed thousands of mining jobs up north. in a region plagued with unemployment and under employmenet. These jobs were high paying union jobs and dems killed them (forever) so that Walker could not show these new jobs as a result of his changes. Yes some unions who would have been affected spoke up but most are hypocrates and not only remained silent on the subject but critize walker for not producing enough new jobs and for being anti union. Well the dems proved themselves to be anti union.

The gobentorial candiate used Walker's act 10 to cut his budget in the same way walker did and said that walker did not go far enough he should have included every single worker for the state -- fire and police among them. Now he is running against walker and claiming walker to be anti union; anti worker when he wanted walker to go farther and he did the same things "against" the unions.

talk is cheap. only actions show one's true intentions and beliefs. now the WI publis has actions to base votes on.

pugman
05-11-2012, 11:35
The reason you had 650K show but a million signatures is simple: people are lazy...

Its easy to sign a petition as I walk by it....it takes time, effort and money (aka gas) to drive somewhere to exercise my constitutional right

The second reason is most Dems I know in my AO hate walker but really don't stand behind their own candidate - its the party mentality which is one of the many reasons this country is in the spot its in today. They want him out but really can't say for sure why.

I'm amazed when I talk to my neighbor (a union teacher) and ask her the simple question why should she get things the private sector doesn't? If the state of Wisconsin failed financially tomorrow who does she think will pay her, etc.

Most Dems I know rarely look past their own property lines - if its good for them, its good for everyone. This isn't to say a lot of Republicans aren't as stupid and greedy - they are.

The sad thing is this will cost taxpayers $9-10 million dollars. Worse, if Walker loses Barrett will bend over for the union as quickly as possible.

Do your own extensive research - not what Walker's or Barrett's sites feed you - you will see Barrett was not good for Milwaukee

windplex
05-11-2012, 12:23
Pug, IIRC the current recall election cost is 16million.

My wife is a teacher and I go out with her and fellow teachers (sometimes spouses as well). for teachers who went to college for it then became a teacher they are insular and myopic. they dont understand the outside world.

some came there from another profession such as my wife and she takes a more global view

the teachers dont even realize that their bad behavior reflects negatively on them: tantrums; closing schools; politicing in the classroom; using state and local reasouces to politic (at school, on the govt job); destruction of private property; credible death threats; fake sick notes - fraud; swearing at and spitting on customers of "enemy" companies; swearing at and shouting down a 14 year old speaker; shouting down anyone who doesnt agree with them -- all under the guise that "this is what democracy looks like ( or sounds like)"

aspartz
05-11-2012, 13:08
Its easy to sign a petition as I walk by it....
It's also easy to sign multiple times.
It's also easy to sign a bogus name just to get the moron hawking the issue to shut up.

ARS

pugman
05-11-2012, 13:23
It's also easy to sign multiple times.
It's also easy to sign a bogus name just to get the moron hawking the issue to shut up.

ARS

You are right.

Did they get the million signatures - we can type all we want about fraud and abuse; unless you want to spend a whole lot of money trying to verify it you need to give it to them.

A reasonable and objective voter such as myself realizes Barrett got 1,004,303 in the general election so the signatures may be valid. Do I believe they got all those previous voters less 4,303 to sign a petition - no. The point is its possible.

The fact the Union's candidate didn't win the primary says a lot.

The fact Walker collected more votes in the primary than all the Democratic candidates combined says a lot.

All this of course is moot come June 5th.

I know Republicans who actually took off June 5th to ensure they didn't have an last minute meetings come up which could possibly in any way prevent them from voting. Most Democrats I know of course have the summer off, or will call in sick (I remember when I used to get sick time)

I really hope Walker wins by 10 or more points...that would be a reason to celebrate.

windplex
05-11-2012, 13:29
...I really hope Walker wins by 10 or more points...that would be a reason to celebrate.

me too, for the good of WI and the nation. a big win would send a strong signal to others and help them do the right, if difficult and risky thing, while in office.

BORNGEARHEAD
05-12-2012, 07:22
Walker said he was bringing 250k jobs to Wisconsin. Where are the jobs? Wisconsin is dead LAST on the list of jobs in the whole country. Bye bye Walker.

QNman
05-12-2012, 07:36
Walker said he was bringing 250k jobs to Wisconsin. Where are the jobs? Wisconsin is dead LAST on the list of jobs in the whole country. Bye bye Walker.

Asked and answered.

<snip>
Democrats in the legislature killed thousands of mining jobs up north. in a region plagued with unemployment and under employmenet. These jobs were high paying union jobs and dems killed them (forever) so that Walker could not show these new jobs as a result of his changes. Yes some unions who would have been affected spoke up but most are hypocrates and not only remained silent on the subject but critize walker for not producing enough new jobs and for being anti union. Well the dems proved themselves to be anti union.<snip>

Besides that, Walker has spent half of his term fighting this union thing and now re-running for election. He's had TWO YEARS. Obama has had four years, less results, and yet we are all just supposed to accept that if he just had four MORE years, unemployment would finally go below 8%, the deficit would finally slow down, and the oceans would finally begin to recede.

Why hang Walker for fulfilling some of his promises in half the time allotted? Give the man his term and grade him at the end of it, just like the rest of the candidates.

ETA: Wisconsin is "dead last"? Behind even Illinois and Michigan? Got a cite?

windplex
05-12-2012, 08:55
I agree that walker has accomplished quite a bit consideering his term started with dems leaving the state to deny a quorum.

then recall efforts started pretty quick and massive protests that at times shut down the state goverment.

since july he saved us 1 billion and fixed a 3.6 billion budget deficit he inherited. and to top it off no ones taxes went up and some went down.

a negative add running cites newspaper headlines to "prove" all the horrible things walker did and what he didnt do.

unfortunaltely these papers are in the tank for the dems so its circular at best and likley dishonest.

however who will call them on it? sure the radio pundits but no media that many use to get their "news".

Cavalry Doc
05-12-2012, 10:06
It's also easy to sign multiple times.
It's also easy to sign a bogus name just to get the moron hawking the issue to shut up.

ARS

Hmm. Saying "No thanks" and walking away always worked for me. And it didn't add a number to their tally.

I will only write on a petition I agree with.

windplex
05-12-2012, 10:10
we had a lot of fraud on the recall petitions. documented.

there were never 1 million signatures. they lied and got away with the lie since we have zero investigative reporters left.

those on the left who are insular will be baffled when walker wins this one and the next because all the people who they hang out with agree with them, but they do not represent the state's voters.

windplex
05-12-2012, 10:19
Walker said he was bringing 250k jobs to Wisconsin. Where are the jobs? Wisconsin is dead LAST on the list of jobs in the whole country. Bye bye Walker.

I am confused. If the recall is about job creation then why pick barrett who has presided over tremendous job losses over the 8 years as mayor while increasing taxes 29%?

why choose him to go against walker???

he "betrayed" the unions.

he used act 10 but wanted it to go much further than it did to curb city and state unions bargaining priveledges.

he ran on cleaning up lake michigan -- "not another drop of sewage from MMSD when im elected. Billions of gallons of sewage later he hasnt done a thing for our environment.

plesae tell my why your side picked barrett???

windplex
05-14-2012, 12:59
http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/charliesykes/151378565.html

above is explanation of figures being quoted by barret and walker.

rather than a 145 million surplus (higher than expected) were employment down as barret says then we would have lower than expected tax revenues is the short answer.

unemployment claims would go up as employment goes down. however unemployment clams are down dramatically and trending down.

interesting & informative video

Brucev
05-14-2012, 13:46
Walker said he was bringing 250k jobs to Wisconsin. Where are the jobs? Wisconsin is dead LAST on the list of jobs in the whole country. Bye bye Walker.

Be careful. Your not supposed to say things like that on this forum. Your supposed to ignore reality and keep supporting walker, the best politican Koch can buy.

Brucev
05-14-2012, 13:47
Asked and answered.


Besides that, Walker has spent half of his term fighting this union thing and now re-running for election. He's had TWO YEARS. Obama has had four years, less results, and yet we are all just supposed to accept that if he just had four MORE years, unemployment would finally go below 8%, the deficit would finally slow down, and the oceans would finally begin to recede.

Why hang Walker for fulfilling some of his promises in half the time allotted? Give the man his term and grade him at the end of it, just like the rest of the candidates.

ETA: Wisconsin is "dead last"? Behind even Illinois and Michigan? Got a cite?

Remove the excuses in the above and it is obvious that someone is struggling with reality.

windplex
05-14-2012, 13:52
Be careful. Your not supposed to say things like that on this forum. Your supposed to ignore reality and keep supporting walker, the best politican Koch can buy.

bruce your right he promissed 250,000 new jobs and his numbers fall short of that.

there are mitigating circumstances: run-away senate which denied a quorum to pass employer friendly laws.

protester delays that shut down the senate.

the recall itself.

walker's term is not even half up.

his tax changes took effect in july. not even a year ago.

democrat destruction of the thousands (estimated to be as high as 70,000 jobs) for mining and a very high number of direct mining jobs that were 80%+ union and very much more than living wage for outstate WI.

as soon as the recall started businesses pulled in their expansion plans. frankly if WI falls in the hands of dems again these companies will be loathe to expand in this state and many more will leave the state for business-friendly states. at this point would you invest your own money when there is zero stability in WI? frankly it would be fool-hardy to invest and create jobs here until walker is re-elected. if he looses they will invest in a nother state.

windplex
05-14-2012, 13:54
"If you think that billionaires care about you......you are a fricken idiot." Come now. It doesn't mean someone is an idiot if they believe billionaires care about them. That's something even morons can do.

Bruce, just curious. How much do you care about billionaires?

QNman
05-14-2012, 17:36
Remove the excuses in the above and it is obvious that someone is struggling with reality.

Remove the reality in my post and you're left with your hatred of anyone more affluent than you.

Let me ask you something. When's the last time you got a job working for someone poorer than you?

windplex
05-16-2012, 14:02
http://www.deptofnumbers.com/employment/wisconsin/


Employment Survey

March 2012

Month/Month

Year/Year



CES

2,730,600

-4,500

-23,900



CPS

2,856,643

+7,062

+18,498