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DonGlock26
05-09-2012, 19:10
Egypt Islamist vows global caliphate in Jerusalem


http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=269074&R=R1


The MB's rise to power will have real global consequences.


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Kingarthurhk
05-09-2012, 19:21
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Vic Hays
05-10-2012, 09:10
Egypt Islamist vows global caliphate in Jerusalem


http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=269074&R=R1


The MB's rise to power will have real global consequences.


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I couldn't open the link, but the Bible gives some insight into this. The traditional area of control for the King of the South is around the area of modern Turkey.

The King of the South and the King of the North are in conflict over world control. The Crusades defeated the King of the South for awhile (verse 11:28)

The King of the South will make his push just before the second coming of Jesus. He will take Jerusalem. The language of the Bible leaves little doubt. (verse 11:40 and 11:45)

Jesus is coming anyway. There is no worldly power that can stand before the armies of heaven. (verse 12:1) This is verified by the next verse (verse 12:2) which speaks of the resurrection that occurs at the Second Coming.

Daniel 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
11:26 Yes, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
11:27 And both of these kings’hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.


Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also on the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of your people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Paul7
05-10-2012, 09:48
More Jew-hate from the usual suspects. Does Obama realize radical Islam is a threat yet?

Celtic Pride
05-10-2012, 12:05
A thread discussing the evil intent of some within the islamic religion. I find it odd that no athiet has commented here. I wonder why? Do they only argue to the bitter end against Christians?

Paul7
05-10-2012, 13:36
A thread discussing the evil intent of some within the islamic religion. I find it odd that no athiet has commented here. I wonder why? Do they only argue to the bitter end against Christians?

B-I-N-G-O

Threads like these are pretty much atheist-free.

juggy4711
05-10-2012, 17:56
Not an atheist but I might as well be to most of the Christians here, and I have no problem taking issue with Islam as the greatest religious threat on the face of the Earth.

Paul7
05-13-2012, 21:23
Not an atheist but I might as well be to most of the Christians here, and I have no problem taking issue with Islam as the greatest religious threat on the face of the Earth.

An honorable exception, like the late Christopher Hitchens.

BTW, what are you, Just so I know?

ArtificialGrape
05-13-2012, 21:55
Bad, bad Muslim.

juggy4711
05-13-2012, 22:19
An honorable exception, like the late Christopher Hitchens.

BTW, what are you, Just so I know?

Deist is as close as language gets as a descriptor for my belief in God. Not 100% accurate but near enough.

ETA That is one of the things I liked most about Hitchens. While his distain for religion was without bias, he was able to realize that Islam was the current religious threat to the word. I have my issues with other religions, Christianity included, but truth is Christianity has not posed a serious threat in a few hundred years. While Islam does on nearly a daily basis.

For the most part, in my opinion Christianity has evolved to a place where it is no longer a threat as practiced by enough Christians. Islam unfortunately can not claim the same status.

English
05-14-2012, 02:25
I couldn't open the link, but the Bible gives some insight into this. The traditional area of control for the King of the South is around the area of modern Turkey.

The King of the South and the King of the North are in conflict over world control. The Crusades defeated the King of the South for awhile (verse 11:28)

The King of the South will make his push just before the second coming of Jesus. He will take Jerusalem. The language of the Bible leaves little doubt. (verse 11:40 and 11:45)

Jesus is coming anyway. There is no worldly power that can stand before the armies of heaven. (verse 12:1) This is verified by the next verse (verse 12:2) which speaks of the resurrection that occurs at the Second Coming.

Daniel 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
11:26 Yes, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
11:27 And both of these kings’hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.


Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also on the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of your people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

With this as a small sample, any rational person would see Christianity as a threat to civilization. How can a society be governed rationally to optimum efect when decisions based on this kind of thing are thrown into its works at random times?

English

Blast
05-14-2012, 02:54
With this as a small sample, any rational person would see Christianity as a threat to civilization. How can a society be governed rationally to optimum efect when decisions based on this kind of thing are thrown into its works at random times?

English
Your statement is ridiculous yet laughable.
Though I believe in separation of church and state and that no government should enforce religious laws, I have no problem with Judeo-Christian principles.
You speak of governing rationally to optimum effect. Yeah, mankind is rational enough for two world wars, a host of petty wars, and atrocities of all sorts in the last century alone, all secularly motivated. And things are not improving. The downward spiral of civilization continues.
See my sigline.

English
05-14-2012, 11:33
Your statement is ridiculous yet laughable.
Though I believe in separation of church and state and that no government should enforce religious laws, I have no problem with Judeo-Christian principles.
Wel, I agree with you but when the religious ideas get weird enough it worries me that they feed into the political agenda and that politicians are competing for the votes of such people by changing to weird policies or starting from there in the first place.
You speak of governing rationally to optimum effect. Yeah, mankind is rational enough for two world wars, a host of petty wars, and atrocities of all sorts in the last century alone, all secularly motivated. And things are not improving. The downward spiral of civilization continues.
See my sigline.
If you study the data, hardly any agressive wars are started by proper democracies. The wars we have seen have almost all been created by Communists, Fascists or one kind of dictator or another. if we ignore the odd petty dictators and look at Communism and Fascism neither are secular in the sense of the separation of the church and the state or freedom of religion. What they are is religions without a God, kind of, since, in Italy, the fascists, like the mafia, remained closely allied to the RC Church. In fact their beliefs were as far from rational as any religion and if you compare their characteristics, one by one, they both fit the religious model with the exception of God as the supreme authority. It is quite wrong to confuse them with proper secular societies.

Rationality cannot prevent war but it does not start wars.

The downward slide of civilization is now mainly a product of the growing strength of socialism which is only an offshoot of communism.

English

Paul7
05-14-2012, 11:45
Your statement is ridiculous yet laughable.
Though I believe in separation of church and state and that no government should enforce religious laws, I have no problem with Judeo-Christian principles.
You speak of governing rationally to optimum effect. Yeah, mankind is rational enough for two world wars, a host of petty wars, and atrocities of all sorts in the last century alone, all secularly motivated. And things are not improving. The downward spiral of civilization continues.
See my sigline.

Exactly. Man is as likely to make things worse as better.

English
05-14-2012, 12:14
Exactly. Man is as likely to make things worse as better.

This is a trivial idea based on the false syllogism; Man often makes things worse therefore man always makes things worse. If that were so, how have we come to create the richest and most free societies in history.

The answer is that we have done it little by little as a result of applying rationality and intelligence to the problems of life. each step of that journey has been made against the resistance of religions semi religions and people who can not accept any form of new ideas.

Western civilization is a triumph of rationality and if it collapses, which looks very likely, it will be because of a retreat from rationality.

English

Paul7
05-15-2012, 07:14
This is a trivial idea based on the false syllogism; Man often makes things worse therefore man always makes things worse. If that were so, how have we come to create the richest and most free societies in history.


Largely because of our Judeo-Christian heritage. These things didn't happen in Muslim, Hindu, or Communist societies.

GAFinch
05-17-2012, 22:06
Not an atheist but I might as well be to most of the Christians here, and I have no problem taking issue with Islam as the greatest religious threat on the face of the Earth.

Islam isn't a religion in the traditional sense. It's a political ideology that invented a new religion loosely based on Judeo-Christian beliefs. While some more moderate views were tacked on in the Middle Ages, Islam's original beliefs lack many of the basic, common morals of other major religions, which is why you'll see modern devout Christians circle the wagons and defend Jews and Mormons from foreign and domestic attacks, but not Islamists - moral solidarity over ideological differences. There's little bigotry involved.

This solidarity is also why secular liberal Democrats are seeing their attacks on the Catholic Church backfire and instead encourage Protestants to rush to the defense of the CC, as many Protestants have been backing off from their anti-Catholic beliefs lately and gaining more and more respect for it since it's doing what many Protestant denominations have been unable to do - gradually purge the quasi-religious liberals from its ranks instead of breaking up into multiple smaller denominations.

juggy4711
05-18-2012, 18:33
Islam isn't a religion in the traditional sense. It's a political ideology that invented a new religion loosely based on Judeo-Christian beliefs. While some more moderate views were tacked on in the Middle Ages, Islam's original beliefs lack many of the basic, common morals of other major religions, which is why you'll see modern devout Christians circle the wagons and defend Jews and Mormons from foreign and domestic attacks, but not Islamists - moral solidarity over ideological differences. There's little bigotry involved.

This solidarity is also why secular liberal Democrats are seeing their attacks on the Catholic Church backfire and instead encourage Protestants to rush to the defense of the CC, as many Protestants have been backing off from their anti-Catholic beliefs lately and gaining more and more respect for it since it's doing what many Protestant denominations have been unable to do - gradually purge the quasi-religious liberals from its ranks instead of breaking up into multiple smaller denominations.

Religion in the traditional sense requires faith and worship. There are no moral qualifiers. Islam is a religion. And its not as if The RCC didn't have political components and elements.

Atheism is a religion but Islam isn't. I seriously do not understand where this kind of nonsense comes from.

DonGlock26
05-18-2012, 19:58
A thread discussing the evil intent of some within the islamic religion. I find it odd that no athiet has commented here. I wonder why? Do they only argue to the bitter end against Christians?

Yep, that's the pattern for years.

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juggy4711
05-18-2012, 20:50
Yep, that's the pattern for years.

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You must have missed this.

Not an atheist but I might as well be to most of the Christians here, and I have no problem taking issue with Islam as the greatest religious threat on the face of the Earth.

Christians are not the only folks that have problems with Islam.

English
05-19-2012, 04:44
A thread discussing the evil intent of some within the islamic religion. I find it odd that no athiet has commented here. I wonder why? Do they only argue to the bitter end against Christians?

I am sorry, but I missed this. I believe Islam is the worst religion with the possible exception of Communism. It is the most violent the most inclined to racial and religious cleansing either overtly or by stealth. large parts of the Far East and Africa are being taken over by driving out non Muslims by means of killing, rape, beating, arson of homes and churches and so on. This is happening at a frightening rate and no one in the West pays it any public attention except for pious hand wringing about stopping the fighting but never by saying that this is part of Muslim activism and just another aspect of Jihad.

Islam and Muslims must be resisted or driven back everywhere as they seek to expand by various means. Europe has suffered a massive invasion but because it has come piecemeal in the form of economic migrants and refugees and because speaking against it will be called racialism, hardly anyone has made any public statement about it. The socialist, rather than being afraid to speak, have welcomed and aided it for complex reasons. As the Muslim birth rate is much higher (3 to 4 times higher) than the endigenous population, within something like 50 years the majority of Europe will be Muslim.

The Americans seem to view this is a European problem, but it is one that is well on its way in the USA and Canada. Europe was just nearer and easier.

If you hunt through my posts in the Political forum you will find plenty against Islam. I fear that Atheism in the USA is much more dominated by the prevailing Christian culture which is often extremist relative to much of Europe. As a result they see christianity as their major threat. They need to wake up and study Islam a little!

English

creaky
05-19-2012, 13:20
Thanks, English. You have it right about the muslim problem. Our smug little atheists should take note.

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