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boone10
05-09-2012, 21:40
WHY NO SINGLE STACK FROM GLOCK?!!! Surely the good folks sitting around the table in the boardroom realize that they are losing a train load of cash each year simply by opting out of the single-stack/pocket rocket phase going gang-busters all across the United States (even as I type).

bac1023
05-09-2012, 21:46
This should be asked in General Glocking.

The G36 is single stack.

Folsom_Prison
05-09-2012, 22:07
There to busy with the Gen 4 issues. :whistling:

Adjuster
05-10-2012, 00:07
They are hundreds of thousands of pistols back ordered at any given time. Every single Glock pistol made is sold and every Glock pistol for the foreseeable future is already sold. Would you change the current business model if you were in charge?



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Lowjiber
05-10-2012, 04:58
They are hundreds of thousands of pistols back ordered at any given time. Every single Glock pistol made is sold and every Glock pistol for the foreseeable future is already sold. Would you change the current business model if you were in charge?
+1 above.

If it ain't broke... Well, you know the rest.

bac1023
05-10-2012, 05:46
There to busy with the Gen 4 issues. :whistling:

:rofl:

Toyman
05-10-2012, 06:04
WHY NO SINGLE STACK FROM GLOCK?!!! Surely the good folks sitting around the table in the boardroom realize that they are losing a train load of cash each year simply by opting out of the single-stack/pocket rocket phase going gang-busters all across the United States (even as I type).

Because they don't care about making more money. They are stuck on the big brick model, and do not want to make it any thinner, less square, or less bulky.

boone10
05-10-2012, 06:14
+1 above.

If it ain't broke... Well, you know the rest.


Agree to some extent, BUT I just bought a Ruger LC9 and a little research (and heads up from the folks at a competing LGS) revealed that Ruger is also backordered from now until God knows when. IIRC, they are taking NO additional orders until they get caught up on the LCP and LC9 (maybe others involved). Entering into the single stack market wouldn't be "changing" the business model--it would simply be adding another model (as well as employees, market share, etc.). In business, do it right, BUT there's nothing wrong with "going for the throat".

Here in Alabama, recent news reports have Mercedes, Honda and Hyundai expanding to add models (not changing business models), infrastructure, 3rd shifts, etc. If you can grow in a "down" economy, you'll be way ahead of the competition when (or if) we ever come out the other side. Take a chance GLOCK. I'll buy the first one. Anything else is just too "European" for me.

XNDR17C
05-10-2012, 07:00
They are hundreds of thousands of pistols back ordered at any given time. Every single Glock pistol made is sold and every Glock pistol for the foreseeable future is already sold. Would you change the current business model if you were in charge?



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I would agree with this. If Glock is selling everything they have, why try to add a product that they may not need at this time. It would be like asking Mack Trucks to build a car because Chevrolet makes trucks but also build cars. Or asking Rolex to make a digital watch, just because Timex does.
Also, bringing a new firearm to market can introduce a load of problems that Glock may not want (or need) to deal with. Looking at the present offering of small single stack pistols, every manufacturer is dealing with some sort of problem, even the mighty Smith and Wesson. Perhaps Glock management figures "why bother, we dont need the problems when we have a good thing going".

banger
05-10-2012, 07:03
WHY NO SINGLE STACK FROM GLOCK?!!! Surely the good folks sitting around the table in the boardroom realize that they are losing a train load of cash each year simply by opting out of the single-stack/pocket rocket phase going gang-busters all across the United States (even as I type).

I've heard, it because Glock in concentrating on bringing it's carbine to market first.:tongueout:

bac1023
05-10-2012, 07:39
I've heard, it because Glock in concentrating on bringing it's carbine to market first.:tongueout:

No doubt ;)

TalkToTheGlock
05-10-2012, 08:29
They make enough money on their current guns.

Plus how much smaller do you really want than the G26 and G27? The grip is minute already.

jb1911
05-10-2012, 08:50
They make enough money on their current guns.

Plus how much smaller do you really want than the G26 and G27? The grip is minute already.

This is true. I have a G26 and a Nano and the G26 is just as easy to carry as the Nano. I actually carry the G26 more because it's more reliable and is 10+1 as opposed to the Nano's 6+1.

ijacek
05-10-2012, 10:53
They are hundreds of thousands of pistols back ordered at any given time.

576,000 the last I've heard.

JAS104
05-10-2012, 10:58
The 36 is single stack, but to shrink it down like that is a huge design difference.

Personally, I'm cool with them not going with the pocket pistol fad. Put a man's gun on your hip.

cloudbuster
05-10-2012, 11:22
...huge design difference...

I think this is the crux of the problem. Shrinking the width of the slide to the extent necessary for a true, slim single-stack .40 or 9mm would completely change the physics of the pistol. They'd have to redesign the locking block, the recoil spring, everything. I think they believe, all things considered, the benefits (to them) wouldn't be worth the costs.

Because of all the redesign, very few pieces would be "parts compatible" with existing Glocks, so all the consumer would get is the Glock name and a reputation for reliability that would need to be proven all over again for a gun that's so fundamentally different. Might as well just buy a Kahr, Ruger or Kel-Tec, etc. and be done with it. There's no shortage of slim single-stacks on the market.

Durden
05-10-2012, 23:51
I am with the OP on this.

Even moderately well-run companies never pass on an opportunity to expand their market share, revenue and, hopefully, profitability, especially when the sun is shining (the best time to make hay).

I believe the critical dimension in a concealed carry sidearm is in that which is its thickest point, whether the slide or grip, and the second most important factor is overall weight.

Glock 9mm double stacks are way too thick to comfortably carry concealed relative to many of the competitor offerings.

I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll never be able to carry a G19 or G26 comfortably and concealed over any lengthy period of time, especially in warmer weather, because the grip is too thick.

Since I believe that Glock is a well run, rather than moderately well run, corporation, and given that Glaston is a doer rather than a talker, I can only speculate that there's an engineering issue or maybe a patent issue (or maybe both) that has thus far prevented Glock from offering up a single stack, thin 9mm, with a dedicated purpose of being the top dog for the concealed carry crowd.

Metal Angel
05-11-2012, 10:18
Frankly Glock is not a good company. They built a solid gun design that filled a role that no one knew they needed, and exploded because of it. Because the original design pushed things forward so far, it stayed popular longer than a normal "new hot" gun. However, Glock is no longer interested in pushing things forward, they are not even interested in keeping up, and IMO, their days are numbered because of this.

cowboy1964
05-11-2012, 10:28
No one has mentioned the real reason? That they would have to be produced here and not imported because of the ATF import point system. I would think Glock could do this though, but personally I think their internal ownership problems are dragging them down.

http://www.glockfaq.com/content.aspx?ckey=Glock_FAQ_Glock_Model_Info#points

concretefuzzynuts
05-11-2012, 10:38
Why doesn't Peterbilt make a car?

Glock markets to people who want and like Glocks. It's not that hard to figure out. Plus ATFE import point system. And their factory and production is tooled for the simple, interchangeable interior parts.

Glock has a booming business making a product that orders can't be filled as it is.

cloudbuster
05-11-2012, 10:45
Frankly Glock is not a good company. They built a solid gun design that filled a role that no one knew they needed, and exploded because of it. Because the original design pushed things forward so far, it stayed popular longer than a normal "new hot" gun. However, Glock is no longer interested in pushing things forward, they are not even interested in keeping up, and IMO, their days are numbered because of this.

What, exactly, would constitute "pushing things forward?" A single-stack Glock isn't "forward," it's just another entry in an existing market.

What, exactly, would be an improvement on the standard Glock design? Most of what people might call "improvements" are just bells & whistles, not real innovations.

The semi-automatic pistol is a very mature market. The Glock doesn't need to be "fixed" or "improved" in any sense possible with existing technology.

I'm glad Glock doesn't chase the "newest shiny thing" market.

michael_b
05-11-2012, 14:12
Does anyone consider the idea that maybe they are R&Ding new designs?

Just because they haven't put anything into the market does not mean they haven't looked into it.

I think it's very likely they have done some exploring and are watching the market to see if the slim single stack compact/pocket/sub compact pistol popularity is going to stick around or be a passing fad before jumping in with both feet.

I'd love a single stack Glock 9mm- a thin 19 if you will, with Glock simplicity.

The import thing I could see being another hassle. Look at the Glock 25/28. They would probably have to manufacture it completely here in the states.

On a side note, does anyone know of a .380 conversion barrel for a Glock 26 or 19?

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TSAX
05-11-2012, 14:28
Waiting for the Glock 1911 pic and rumor :whistling:











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Glockdude1
05-11-2012, 14:33
http://www.glockmeister.com/images/glock17mag10roundm.jpg

:supergrin:

Glockdude1
05-11-2012, 14:35
Waiting for the Glock 1911 pic and rumor :whistling:

:50cal:

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/glock_1911-tfb.jpg

Here ya go.......

Kalmah
05-11-2012, 14:38
WHY NO SINGLE STACK FROM GLOCK?!!!
Because it's hard to beat a Kahr for a small, slim, pocket pistol.

Metal Angel
05-11-2012, 22:03
What, exactly, would constitute "pushing things forward?" A single-stack Glock isn't "forward," it's just another entry in an existing market.

What, exactly, would be an improvement on the standard Glock design? Most of what people might call "improvements" are just bells & whistles, not real innovations.

The semi-automatic pistol is a very mature market. The Glock doesn't need to be "fixed" or "improved" in any sense possible with existing technology.

I'm glad Glock doesn't chase the "newest shiny thing" market.

I certainly don't know what would push things forward. If I did, I sure as hell wouldn't be an hvac tech anymore. What I'm saying is Glock doesn't know what would push things forward either and they are not even willing to try. And you are right, at this point, Glock missed it. A single stack sub compact wouldn't be pushing things forward. They should have been conducting that train 10 years ago... They almost did with the 36, but clearly didn't know what they had stumbled onto. But by not joining the single stack sub compact bandwagon now, they are not only failing to push thing forward, but are failing to even keep up. And no, the single stack sub compact is not a huge advancement for the auto, but neither was the glock 17. It was just the advancement that people needed, and with concealed carry on the rise, the single stack subcompact is just the advancement people need now.

Any brand that calls their product "perfect" and actually believes it themselves is sure to fail.

All that said, I do love my Glock 19.

G26S239
05-12-2012, 04:36
The 36 is single stack, but to shrink it down like that is a huge design difference.

Personally, I'm cool with them not going with the pocket pistol fad. Put a man's gun on your hip.Fad? You must not have heard of the 31 caliber cap and ball Colt Pocket Pistol, the Baby Browning, Velodog, PPK, Beretta 1934, S&W Escort or myriad other pistols designed and marketed in the last 160 + years as part of this "fad." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fad

Because it's hard to beat a Kahr for a small, slim, pocket pistol.
True, I really like my MK9.

Cole125
05-12-2012, 08:54
Because it's hard to beat a Kahr for a small, slim, pocket pistol.

+1 Look into the Kahr P and TP series. They are the closest you are probably going to get to a single stack Glock. Yeah a little pricey, but worth it.

http://www.a-human-right.com/p9back.jpg

deputy tom
05-12-2012, 15:45
Because it's hard to beat a Kahr for a small, slim, pocket pistol.

+1 Look into the Kahr P and TP series. They are the closest you are probably going to get to a single stack Glock. Yeah a little pricey, but worth it.

http://www.a-human-right.com/p9back.jpg

^^ Because Glock realizes their place in the market.Leave the single stacks to the guys that know how to make them and stick to what you know best.tom.:cool: