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Cwlongshot
05-11-2012, 10:34
Anyone give any thought to one?

I have a Vietnam tomahawk from cold steel but like the looks of the Trench Hawk too. Any thoughts?

http://www.coldsteel.com/trench-hawk.html

CW

Bushflyr
05-11-2012, 11:06
Mall Indian.

Tomahawks do a lousy job chopping and splitting wood when compared to an axe, a lousy job stopping threats when compared to a gun, and a lousy job doing anything else compared to a knife.

They're a fun toy, but no substitute for real tools.

bdcochran
05-11-2012, 11:49
An excellent choice if you live in a wooded area and expect to be on your own for survival. You probably would want some beyond entry level leatherman and a quality folder first.

Not a viable choice if you live in a desert area, the great plains or above the snow line.

Glocksanity
05-11-2012, 12:32
Selko said the Tomahawk was his favorite and go to tool. Never went anywhere without it.

YMMV.

quake
05-11-2012, 13:50
I'd have to - strangely perhaps - agree with both Bushflyr and bdcochran on this. In the woods, a good tomahawk can be very effective; for defensive use, it would be far from my first choice. In the woods I'd prefer a normal hatchet over a tomahawk, but to be fair a tomahawk can still accomplish quite a bit.

That said, epsecially seeing as you already have a combat-oriented tomahawk, I could never see a 'need' for a second; but it doesn't always have to be about need. Sometimes "just because" is a good enough reason for a new purchase.


At least for me personally; my wife seems to feel differently about that. She didn't at all buy the "some of them are left-handed knives and some of them are right-handed knives" argument when she looked in the safe a while back. :whistling:

cyrsequipment
05-11-2012, 13:58
Mall Indian.

Tomahawks do a lousy job chopping and splitting wood when compared to an axe, a lousy job stopping threats when compared to a gun, and a lousy job doing anything else compared to a knife.

They're a fun toy, but no substitute for real tools.

:dunno:

Name a handheld weapon that you would choose to stop a threat instead of a gun. :whistling:

I personally don't see the need for one but as Quake said, you don't have to need something to buy it.

If I was going to chop down a tree or chop kindling, that blade style would not be my first choice at all. And I'm not seeing it as an effective weapon, but if it works for you...

Batesmotel
05-11-2012, 16:04
If I was going to chop down a tree or chop kindling, that blade style would not be my first choice at all. And I'm not seeing it as an effective weapon, but if it works for you...

This. A good hatchet is a better tool and a knife is a better weapon. I play with one at the competitions at mountain man events. It would not be my first choice in a bug out bag. I have a hatchet, Estwing axe and a large knife in the tool box in my truck. Tomahawk is in my rendezvous junk at home.

Cwlongshot
05-11-2012, 16:14
Thanks for the tips guys. I liked the "look" and watched the Patriot last week end and it got me thinking I guess... ;)

CW

AK_Stick
05-11-2012, 19:55
Several of my crew chiefs carried them in Iraq. Can be a very handy tool that can do most of the cutting/smashing chores you require.



I really want one to carry on my crash bag, but I just haven't found the tool I want. Probably going to break down and just order one of these

http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=NEW_PROD_DEMOLITION&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=55-120&SDesc=FatMax%26%23174%3B+Xtreme%26%238482%3B+FuBar%26%23174%3B+Utility+Bar+-+30%22

9mm +p+
05-11-2012, 23:21
Keep a CS trench hawk in my Jeep, never know when it'll come in handy.

lawman800
05-12-2012, 00:15
I have a trailhawk with the hammer back so I can use it for pounding stakes and nails. Came in handy a few times when I needed to have a flat pounding surface and I didn't have a hammer with me. As for the axe part, yeah, a full sized axe would do better but for light chopping and all around coolness, the tomahawk wins.

My buddy has the trench hawk, vicious looking weapon... but not very utilitarian when you need it, it's more like a dedicated weapon hawk.

Bushflyr
05-12-2012, 00:57
Name a handheld weapon that you would choose to stop a threat instead of a gun. :whistling:

Your point?

I personally don't see the need for one but as Quake said, you don't have to need something to buy it.

Hell, he can buy whatever he wants. Like I said above it's a cool toy. But, since he posted in the S&P forum, I gave my thoughts on it as a S&P tool


I really want one to carry on my crash bag, but I just haven't found the tool I want. Probably going to break down and just order one of these..


Handle one of those before you buy. I've played with them just because they look so cool, but they are FREAKING HEAVY for what they are. They're also expensive and I couldn't really figure out anything that it could do better than a regular old cheapie crowbar. Honestly, do you need a board straightener in your BOB? :dunno:

I picked up an 18" Eastwing prybar for ~20$ and it's been awesome. I used the crap out of it doing demo and construction and it held up pretty good. The only damage was I finally destroyed the nail notch by pounding it through nails and screws to shear them off the concrete forms. It's compact, light, cheap, and does an awesome job.

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/6d/6d7f892e-31b1-4707-9d82-52062f04d482_300.jpg



My buddy has the trench hawk, vicious looking weapon... but not very utilitarian when you need it, it's more like a dedicated weapon hawk.

On that note one of the harder training groups reviewed hawks in general. (I don't recall where the write up was) The consensus was that a spike on the back posed just as much, if not more, danger to the wielder than his opponent. You could do some serious damage with a hawk, but for real fighting, a hammer back was a better choice. But overall a hawk was WAY down the list of HtH weapons.

AK_Stick
05-12-2012, 01:00
Handle one of those before you buy. I've played with them just because they look so cool, but they are FREAKING HEAVY for what they are. They're also expensive and I couldn't really figure out anything that it could do better than a regular old cheapie crowbar. Honestly, do you need a board straightener in your BOB? :dunno:



I'm looking for something for my crash bag, so I need the ability to break armored windows, punch through steel vehicle sides/aircraft skin etc. My crash bag is more of a special tool/incident bag that a BOB.

Bushflyr
05-12-2012, 01:23
Ouch. You're going to be hard pressed to find a hand tool that does all that. Maybe the old style crash axe?

http://www.pirepics.com/albums/userpics/normal_Crash_Axe.jpg

It would be interesting to kludge together a crash axe and a p38 and see how it did.

cyrsequipment
05-12-2012, 02:09
My point is that that two types of weapons have completely different purposes and you were comparing apples to oranges...

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kimo
05-12-2012, 07:16
I carry a heavy machete rather than a hawk. Good for chopping, cutting, clearing, shaving

Bravo 1
05-12-2012, 07:57
Mall Indian.

Tomahawks do a lousy job chopping and splitting wood when compared to an axe, a lousy job stopping threats when compared to a gun, and a lousy job doing anything else compared to a knife.

They're a fun toy, but no substitute for real tools.

Toys for unskilled posters maybe, but you really shouldn't assume that everybody is unskilled and unconditioned.

I'll wager a lot of indians will disagree with your informative post.

AK_Stick
05-12-2012, 14:38
Ouch. You're going to be hard pressed to find a hand tool that does all that. Maybe the old style crash axe?

http://www.pirepics.com/albums/userpics/normal_Crash_Axe.jpg

It would be interesting to kludge together a crash axe and a p38 and see how it did.



Crash axes are a great idea, wrapped in terrible execution. Every helicopter has one. Having actually used one, I find them about useless.

Big Bird
05-12-2012, 20:39
Well, to be fair, a spear is probably the best handheld weapon an untrained person can use. It provides standoff and also gives you both slashing and stabbing capabilty.
It also requires the least amount of skill vs say a knife or tomahawk. Needless to say, there is a reason the spear was THE infantry weapon of choice for eons.

But a well designed tomahawk has way more utility than a big honking knife. I think the Vietnam style tomahawks are not that great--I find the cutting edge has bad angles.
I also would rather see a hammer poll opposite the cutting edge vs a spike. Certainly a tomahawk is not a master of anything. But a good one can chop wood fine. Its a fearsome CQB weapon if you understand its limitations (forget throwing it). Trust me, a tomahawk wielding Indian ruined more than a few white men's days.

I have used a tomahawk on deer and its adequate. Not great. But you use the head like an eskimo knife and it can do the job. Not as well as a 3" hunting knife. But easily as well as something like a Cold Steel Trailmaster knife.

Don't dis the tomahawk.

lawman800
05-12-2012, 21:13
I thought pikemen were standard formal infantry weapons but for eons, it was just a club or whatever stick or blunt object was at hand... then if you were a little more successful, you had some type of chopping bladed weapon that slashed but no stabbing capability.

Veedubklown
05-13-2012, 15:43
I'll wager a lot of indians will disagree with your informative post.

I'll wager most will show you how to open a beer with one.

FireForged
05-13-2012, 17:32
Tomahawks do a lousy job chopping and splitting wood when compared to an axe, a lousy job stopping threats when compared to a gun, and a lousy job doing anything else compared to a knife.

They're a fun toy, but no substitute for real tools.

As a person who has used a lagana (aka VTAC) tomahawk for several years... I tend to agree with bushflyr's comment.

A tomahawk can be a great weapon for battle.. just not much of a utility.

Aceman
05-13-2012, 20:34
There are wood tool axes, and there are war axes.

Tomahawk is definitely "in the middle" I'd think the "in the middle" axe I'd want/like does not exist: Heavy enough for woodwork, balanced enough for war...

It's a light single hand war axe that CAN be used for other duties, IMO.

But let's definitely don't be confused - after a lot of Okinawin Kobudo, I would definitely put a hurt on you with one...or a lot of goofy things ranging from a big stick to my belt.


For the skilled person, with the right axe, I'd say it would be a great choice. Don't know that many of the "right" tomahawks exist...

Big Bird
05-13-2012, 22:04
http://beaverbill.com/HammerPoll.JPG

Here's my favorite hawk--a hand forged hammer poll hawk from Beaver Bill Keeler. It sharpens up wonderfully with a file and a DMT stone. Will cut all the kindling or tent poles you could ever want. Pound in the pegs or hammer in some nails. Very versatile.

The beautiful thing about a tomahawk from a S&P perspective is the friction fit handle. If you break the handle its no big deal to fashion another using nothing more than a pocket knife.

Bushflyr
05-13-2012, 22:26
Wow, that is gorgeous. I still stand by my previous assertion, particularly regarding spike hawks, but I would definitely be proud to own that. :thumbsup:

lawman800
05-13-2012, 23:04
Yep, that's why I chose the more versatile trail hawk versus the spikey Trench hawk or even the SOG vietnam hawk.

Tim808
05-17-2012, 03:39
To the op:
As others have mentioned, the trail hawk or similar.

If you don't really need the hammer, a machete or kukri may be more practical for s/d and as a tool. (A machete is also pretty cheap)

Please post up whatever you decide on....doesn't have to be practical....buying cool stuff is fun.....Good luck!

Stevekozak
05-17-2012, 05:34
I'll wager most will show you how to open a beer with one.
Not sure if this is a dig at my red brethern or not, but it sure is funny!!! Gave me my first laugh for the day.


I don't know anything about 'hawks, having never even handled one, so I will not weigh in on the discussion.

BMH
05-17-2012, 05:44
I've thought about getting a tomahawk from RMJ Tactical. But $475 was way too steep for me.

http://www.rmjtactical.com/

Toyman
05-17-2012, 05:51
I don't carry this in my bug out bag, but on trips I keep it in the truck. It's called the Trucker's Friend (http://innovationfactory.com/products/truckers-friend/). I found it at a truck stop for about $40.

I have used it quite a bit. It's quite sharp. The version I have is basically all chrome.

http://www.fishous.com/boards/truckersfriend.jpg

mac66
05-17-2012, 07:27
The reason frontiersmen carried tomahawks was because muzzle loading firearms were one shot, slow to reload and somewhat unreliable. That doesn't apply these days. One never hears of anyone using a tomahawk for self defense. In fact I bet you would have a hard time finding anyone, even in Iraq or Afghanistan who have actually used one for that purpose. They are cool and romantic but not very practical.

I would venture to say the more people are killed with regular old claw hammers than tomahawks these days.

Be that as it may, a modern equivalent of a hawk might just be a shingler's hammer, brick hammer, a dry wall hammer, rigger's axe or carpenters axe all of which are available at any big box hardware stores.

quake
05-17-2012, 10:01
...shingler's hammer, brick hammer, a dry wall hammer, rigger's axe or carpenters axe all of which are available at any big box hardware stores.
If considering for vehicle carry, a sheetrock hammer:
http://www.stilettohammers.ca/upload/507/webdev1/stiletto1.gif

(especially an old, used one; maybe from a pawn shop), or roofing hammer, the Trucker's Friend, or even an old "official girl scout hatchet" may put a person in a much better place legally/civilly than carrying - and especially using - something sold as a "tactical war-hawk" or such.

SPIN2010
05-17-2012, 10:08
I started carrying one in the car for places that are not really "gun" friendly:

http://sogknives.com/store/F01T-N.html

I find that this particular one is easy to conceal, handles well, and is a great defense weapon (if you know how to use it). I suggest a lanyard of some type if ungloved.

lawman800
05-17-2012, 10:24
I don't carry this in my bug out bag, but on trips I keep it in the truck. It's called the Trucker's Friend (http://innovationfactory.com/products/truckers-friend/). I found it at a truck stop for about $40.

I have used it quite a bit. It's quite sharp. The version I have is basically all chrome.

http://www.fishous.com/boards/truckersfriend.jpg

All chromed out? Are you a rapper?:whistling:

Carry16
05-17-2012, 15:21
I bought a hand made hawk from a young fellow at a local gun show. It was made here in Missouri and was top quality construction. Stays in the safe, but it's more than capable if the need came along. He demonstrated it by cutting 16 penny nails with no marks or nicks to the blade. Scroll down to the Woodsman

http://www.2hawks.net/AHAWKS.html

auto-5
05-17-2012, 18:55
Here this has everything you want with the added benefit of the ability to put on a roof.

http://www.lowes.com/images/LCI/Planning/BuyingGuides/bg_HammerBG_shingler.jpg

AK_Stick
05-17-2012, 21:31
The reason frontiersmen carried tomahawks was because muzzle loading firearms were one shot, slow to reload and somewhat unreliable. That doesn't apply these days. One never hears of anyone using a tomahawk for self defense. In fact I bet you would have a hard time finding anyone, even in Iraq or Afghanistan who have actually used one for that purpose. They are cool and romantic but not very practical.



While not extremely popular, there have been atleast a few casualties due to tomahawks in the OIF/OEF deployment.


Hadji, dislikes hawks more than he dislikes pistols.

sebecman
05-18-2012, 08:32
They are fun to throw at targets.

I used to be a fair hand at double bit axe throwing matches and have thrown tomahawks as well, though never in competition as there was never a catagory for them in my state.

Cwlongshot
06-03-2012, 17:34
Well I picked up the trench hawk cause well I like the looks. ;)

BUT in light of some of the other comments I ran across this today in Home Depot. It was 30$.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/8a08b1df.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/23aebbb2.jpg

CW

Ruble Noon
06-03-2012, 18:12
Well I picked up the trench hawk cause well I like the looks. ;)


CW

Let us know how it holds up. That they're selling replacement handles on the same page as the 'hawk doesn't bode well for durability.

Bushflyr
06-03-2012, 18:52
That they're selling replacement handles on the same page as the 'hawk doesn't bode well for durability.

The reason they sell replacement handles is most people that buy hawks throw them. Nothing to do with general use durability.

NBT
06-03-2012, 19:32
The PBC-1, a "slight" variation to the Tomahawk... with a side of crash axe...and dash of last ditch defensive weapon.
6 3/4" black 1095 carbon steel head, 7 1/2" overall, skeletonized handle, G-10 scales, lanyard, MOLLE compatible Kydex sheath. Made in U.S.A.

http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/products/pbc1.jpg
http://pbcutlery.com/


I actually have an Estwing 16" campers axe.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31Z00fgr8NL._SS500_.jpg

sabre66
07-14-2012, 16:14
It's not a fair comparison really. Each tool has it's own purpose and abilities. A knife can do things a Hatchet/Tomahawk or Gun cannot and vice versa. A charging bear...gun wins; cutting firewood...hatchet/tomahawk wins; cutting rope or preparing meals...knife wins. Best thing in my mind is to have one of each :)

In a survival situation if I could only have one tool for the job I'd take a solidly built Tactical Tomahawk. Better striking ability, more force for chopping or breaking, and much better for digging when needed.

Unistat
11-13-2012, 22:54
Kind of an old thread, but I plan to get one of these soon.

http://www.benmeadows.com/images/xl/Estwing-Carpenters-Hatchets-BEN-_i_bmw160830.jpg

Clutch Cargo
11-13-2012, 23:26
I'll wager most will show you how to open a beer with one.

I know a few Indians that can show you how to open a head and/or chest cavity with one.

countrygun
11-14-2012, 00:05
My dad had one of these and a tail goes with it. I looked for years to find one of my own of the same brand.

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu208/countrygun/IM002684.jpg

A couple of years ago I got into the classic outdoor books and found the "Nessamuk" type to put in my saddle bag, along with the knife. the gun rides on my hip of course.

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu208/countrygun/IM002809.jpg

Bravo 1
11-14-2012, 06:26
I know a few Indians that can show you how to open a head and/or chest cavity with one.


Yes. But what do they know?:whistling:


And it never ceases to amaze me how narrow minded some people are when it comes to tools.

I choose to learn how to use many tools. And I choose to keep my body strong, my mind sharp and open.

I Shooter
11-15-2012, 23:21
I am very weight concerned when it comes to packing tools. I pack a ax with the hammer head on one side and the ax on the other. It is lighter than any thing you can buy, such as a dry wall hammer or camping ax. The truckers ax looks like a beast to pack. It looks like it could be used to break in to Fort Knox.

I use mine for driving stakes in to the ground. Cutting tent poles, wood for the fire and many other things that has to be chopped.

I know that a bigger or true ax would work better, but I don't want to have to carry one in my pack.

As to using one for self defense. I would be better off throwing rocks at some one. The same thing goes for a knife for me. I'm just not very good with one. I use it to skin stuff and cut stuff. That is one reason I don't buy big knives. For what I use them for a small one will do the trick.

We all use tools in a manner we learned weather it was from use or some one showed us how to do some thing. We have not all had the same teacher or learned the same way. We have all had different lives. That is what makes each of us look at things in a different way. It don't mean that I am wrong or that you are. It means that we just don't want to get our bags mixed up.

cowboy1964
11-16-2012, 07:11
RMJ Tactical on Modern Marvels - YouTube

Bravo 1
11-17-2012, 06:29
I am very weight concerned when it comes to packing tools. I pack a ax with the hammer head on one side and the ax on the other. It is lighter than any thing you can buy, such as a dry wall hammer or camping ax. The truckers ax looks like a beast to pack. It looks like it could be used to break in to Fort Knox.

I use mine for driving stakes in to the ground. Cutting tent poles, wood for the fire and many other things that has to be chopped.

I know that a bigger or true ax would work better, but I don't want to have to carry one in my pack.

As to using one for self defense. I would be better off throwing rocks at some one. The same thing goes for a knife for me. I'm just not very good with one. I use it to skin stuff and cut stuff. That is one reason I don't buy big knives. For what I use them for a small one will do the trick.

We all use tools in a manner we learned weather it was from use or some one showed us how to do some thing. We have not all had the same teacher or learned the same way. We have all had different lives. That is what makes each of us look at things in a different way. It don't mean that I am wrong or that you are. It means that we just don't want to get our bags mixed up.



Expand your skill set.

Unless you are unteachable or a quitter, you can learn, can you not?

Skills are gained through learning and practice.

When you stop either you grow old and stale.

I Shooter
11-17-2012, 19:01
Bravo 1 I am quite happy with my skill set. I hunt, fish, shoot, take care of a garden and travel to see some of this great country. I am retired ( 62 ) and have no desire to learn to throw a knife or ax.

Because hunting season started to day. Here on my desk sits a Glock 36 ( all ways with me), a Ruger 44 mag and on the side of the desk sits a slug gun. Now if I had to defend my self or wife I think I could do it and I would not have to touch the skinner that is stuck on the pack behind me or one of the three folding knives sitting on the desk.The ax would be hard to get to because it's inside the pack. So it would be of no use at all.

FireForged
11-18-2012, 12:41
I am very weight concerned when it comes to packing tools. I pack a ax with the hammer head on one side and the ax on the other. It is lighter than any thing you can buy, such as a dry wall hammer or camping ax. The truckers ax looks like a beast to pack. It looks like it could be used to break in to Fort Knox.

I use mine for driving stakes in to the ground. Cutting tent poles, wood for the fire and many other things that has to be chopped.

I know that a bigger or true ax would work better, but I don't want to have to carry one in my pack.

As to using one for self defense. I would be better off throwing rocks at some one. The same thing goes for a knife for me. I'm just not very good with one. I use it to skin stuff and cut stuff. That is one reason I don't buy big knives. For what I use them for a small one will do the trick.

We all use tools in a manner we learned weather it was from use or some one showed us how to do some thing. We have not all had the same teacher or learned the same way. We have all had different lives. That is what makes each of us look at things in a different way. It don't mean that I am wrong or that you are. It means that we just don't want to get our bags mixed up.

I feel the same way.. I have all manner of knives and have carried them with me all over. In the past 40 years I have used knives to cut cord or prepare meat out in the woods, thats about it. If I am having to use a knife, hammer, axe as a weapon, several significant failures have already occured. I would rather focus my efforts on making sure that I dont have to end up using a knife to defend myself rather than trying to prepare myself for that failure. To that end, I trypically have at least a small 38special revolver in my pocket.

Bravo 1
11-20-2012, 07:37
Bravo 1 I am quite happy with my skill set. I hunt, fish, shoot, take care of a garden and travel to see some of this great country. I am retired ( 62 ) and have no desire to learn to throw a knife or ax.

Because hunting season started to day. Here on my desk sits a Glock 36 ( all ways with me), a Ruger 44 mag and on the side of the desk sits a slug gun. Now if I had to defend my self or wife I think I could do it and I would not have to touch the skinner that is stuck on the pack behind me or one of the three folding knives sitting on the desk.The ax would be hard to get to because it's inside the pack. So it would be of no use at all.



Glad to know you have mastered the needed skill sets.

I'm still working on expanding mine.:wavey:

Leigh
11-20-2012, 15:32
I have used a tomahawk on deer and its adequate.


At what distance???:supergrin:

Warp
11-20-2012, 16:35
:dunno:

Name a handheld weapon that you would choose to stop a threat instead of a gun. :whistling:

Spear.