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TSAX
05-12-2012, 23:39
If this happened in your state how upset would you be.


"Prospective gun owners will not be able to go through the necessary criminal history checks in Pennsylvania next week while the state updates (http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-state-police-afis-fingerprint-system-20120510,0,7363046.story) its AFIS fingerprint system."

www.guns.com/gun-purchases-on-hold-while-afis-down-7800.html










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Folsom_Prison
05-13-2012, 01:33
I wouldn't be happy but I gotta ask, pa requires prints for firearm purchases?

M2 Carbine
05-13-2012, 04:11
"Prospective gun owners will not be able to go through the necessary criminal history checks in Pennsylvania next week while the state updates its AFIS fingerprint system."
I would be very upset if my state required us to go through such crap in order to buy a gun.

Walk into the gun store, pick out a gun and walk out with it in ten minutes. That's how an American citizen buys a gun.

American subjects of the government are allowed to buy guns with the government's permission.:upeyes:

Bruce M
05-13-2012, 05:12
My guess - and it is just a guess- is that fingerprinting each time is not required but rather criminal history systems will be down because of this. Hopefully someone from PA can advise whether or not each purchase requires fingerprinting. I consider myself fortunate that I have never been is such dire straights that I could not wait a week for a gun.

Lowjiber
05-13-2012, 05:12
Walk into the gun store, pick out a gun and walk out with it in ten minutes. That's how an American citizen buys a gun.


Not in Nevada.

deputy tom
05-13-2012, 05:46
I live in PA. We don't get finger printed for gun purchases. We get run on the computer for criminal activity checks at each purchase. I hate when the system goes down for any reason and it happens quite often delaying a normal purchase sometimes by hours or days.tom.:steamed:

Fungunner
05-13-2012, 06:42
I'm not going to sweat a week. I think I might have something that will hold me over, in an emergency. It's when that timeline for the down system starts stretching out, that I'm going to start raising a ruckus.

I would expect the stores will not be happy and commerce will start yelling, because this will cause them loss of sales. The state won't be happy, because it denies them sales tax revenue.

FL Airedale
05-13-2012, 06:59
I don't care much about a week but I already have some guns. It would suck to really need one and not be able to buy it.

This makes me wonder how police are going to do their jobs. If they are investigating someone will they not be able to get their criminal history?

ak103k
05-13-2012, 07:10
I live in PA as well, and for as long as its been in effect, Ive never had to wait more than a couple of minutes for a "instant check". A quick phone call and its done.

Even if it were to take a little longer, its still way better than the old "48 hour wait" on handguns policy they used to use.

bowtie454
05-13-2012, 07:14
Cry me a river. A week delay for a valid reason doesn't bother me. Some people want it all and they want it NOW! Too much of that mentality in society for my taste. There may be the exception where someone feels they need a firearm immediately to protect themselves, but I'd speculate the odds of that are slim.

eracer
05-13-2012, 07:17
I wouldn't be happy but I gotta ask, pa requires prints for firearm purchases?About as unhappy as I would be at DUI checkpoint.

byf43
05-13-2012, 07:17
A week isn't so bad.

Maryland has a mandatory (minimum) 7-day waiting period on all handguns and some rifles and shotguns.
We also have NO face-to-face private sales of handguns and certain rifles and/or shotguns.

One day, Maryland may come out of the communistic/socialist pre-historic times.

It most likely won't be in my lifetime, though.

Bastiges.



I'm surprised that Maryland doesn't have checkpoints at the borders with MSP asking for (said in a heavy Russian accent), "Your payyyy-pers, Please."

45caldan
05-13-2012, 07:20
Cry me a river. A week delay for a valid reason doesn't bother me. Some people want it all and they want it NOW! Too much of that mentality in society for my taste. There may be the exception where someone feels they need a firearm immediately to protect themselves, but I'd speculate the odds of that are slim.

Um it is a RIGHT that they are delaying.
This kind of thinking is how we just let our rights slip away.

ak103k
05-13-2012, 07:27
Um it is a RIGHT that they are delaying.
This kind of thinking is how we just let our rights slip away.
We already gave up our "rights" by accepting the "national check". Now they can just screw with your "privileges" as they wish.

FTjoe
05-13-2012, 07:46
A week isn't so bad.

Maryland has a mandatory (minimum) 7-day waiting period on all handguns and some rifles and shotguns.
We also have NO face-to-face private sales of handguns and certain rifles and/or shotguns.

One day, Maryland may come out of the communistic/socialist pre-historic times.

It most likely won't be in my lifetime, though.

Bastiges.



I'm surprised that Maryland doesn't have checkpoints at the borders with MSP asking for (said in a heavy Russian accent), "Your payyyy-pers, Please."

and we can only buy one handgun every 30 days in maryland.

i'm surprised maryland doesn't run background checks at the indoor ranges as we're checking in to get a lane. i wonder if the lines would be shorter.....:whistling:

jhoagland
05-13-2012, 08:25
In SC all I have to do is show them my cwp. I can walk out the door in five minutes of choosing what gun I want.

bowtie454
05-13-2012, 09:25
Um it is a RIGHT that they are delaying.
This kind of thinking is how we just let our rights slip away.

Sorry, I didn't see "The right of the people to purchase a firearm from a licensed dealer same-day in Pennsylvania" in the 2nd Amendment. I guess I missed that clause. I hardly think a temporary, one-week, localized delay in purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer is an infringement on the right to "keep and bear arms".

45caldan
05-13-2012, 09:59
Sorry, I didn't see "The right of the people to purchase a firearm from a licensed dealer same-day in Pennsylvania" in the 2nd Amendment. I guess I missed that clause. I hardly think a temporary, one-week, localized delay in purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer is an infringement on the right to "keep and bear arms".

You don't understand the Constitution do you?
I can't totally blame you though as many minds have been poisoned by liberal thinking.....
You should not have to wait for a right!
This kind of thinking is part of the problem in our Country these days!

DamonC
05-13-2012, 10:15
Sorry, I didn't see "The right of the people to purchase a firearm from a licensed dealer same-day in Pennsylvania" in the 2nd Amendment. I guess I missed that clause. I hardly think a temporary, one-week, localized delay in purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer is an infringement on the right to "keep and bear arms".

You didn't see it because the framers of the Constitution covered ALL BS like that by saying "shall not be infringed". Just how lengthy and widespread should firearms purchases be blocked before you would consider them an infringement?

ak103k
05-13-2012, 10:48
You don't understand the Constitution do you?
Understanding it is one thing, dealing with the current reality is something else altogether.

Just how lengthy and widespread should firearms purchases be blocked before you would consider them an infringement?
The fact they are and have been at all, shows that the Constitution is being ignored.

DaveUSAF
05-13-2012, 10:53
Next, they can save money by doing the checks 1 day a week, ie, NICS (or other state agency) would only do checks on Friday. Then maybe change that to one day a month. Think of the money and/or resources that could be saved, no matter how small. After all, it is only a MINOR delay.

Dave

dnuggett
05-13-2012, 11:32
Cry me a river. A week delay for a valid reason doesn't bother me. Some people want it all and they want it NOW! Too much of that mentality in society for my taste.

A right delayed is a right denied. Yes, there are people who do not accept their rights be delayed. Too many people willing to give up freedom for a facade of security for my taste.

dnuggett
05-13-2012, 11:43
Sorry, I didn't see "The right of the people to purchase a firearm from a licensed dealer same-day in Pennsylvania" in the 2nd Amendment. I guess I missed that clause.

You didn't miss the clause. There are no clauses.

I hardly think a temporary, one-week, localized delay in purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer is an infringement on the right to "keep and bear arms".

What is your definition of an infringement?

JAS104
05-13-2012, 11:48
I live in PA. No, they don't require prints. Just your SSN, address, and ID.

I wouldn't be too upset about a week delay, stuff happens. And I'd rather them have an updated accurate system, lest AFIS approves like, a convicted felon or serial rapist by accident.

Delays happen, just like road work on my block. Drive around, no big deal.

Berto
05-13-2012, 12:05
IMO they should sell you the firearm. You turn it in for a full refund if your background check comes up denied a week or whatever later when .gov gets it's crap together.
.Gov PA can also reimburse the shop for money lost on refunds, devaluation, etc.

JAS104
05-13-2012, 12:08
IMO they should sell you the firearm. You turn it in for a full refund if your background check comes up denied a week or whatever later when .gov gets it's crap together.
.Gov PA can also reimburse the shop for money lost on refunds, devaluation, etc.

But what if a badguy buys it, goes, and kills someone?
Or like, drops off the face of the earth?
I'm not coming after you, I'm just saying in a perfect world it'd make sense what you're saying, but how do we combat the badguys from sneakin through?

rideco
05-13-2012, 12:17
Well it could be worse. Obama might get upset about all the guns being sold up to the election and implement this on a national level. Then the techs could intentionally woopsie the upgrade and stop all guns sales for a month or more. Not saying that would happen but I am just saying it could be worse.

glock2740
05-13-2012, 12:18
Walk into the gun store, pick out a gun and walk out with it in ten minutes. That's how an American citizen buys a gun.

American subjects of the government are allowed to buy guns with the government's permission.:upeyes:
Same here in Arkansas too. I too, am an American citizen. NOT a subject of the government. And I never will be. :patriot::2gun::eagle::thumbsup:

JAS104
05-13-2012, 12:23
Well it could be worse. Obama might get upset about all the guns being sold up to the election and implement this on a national level. Then the techs could intentionally woopsie the upgrade and stop all guns sales for a month or more. Not saying that would happen but I am just saying it could be worse.

Definitely.

Bob Hafler
05-13-2012, 12:29
I live in PA. No, they don't require prints. Just your SSN, address, and ID.

I wouldn't be too upset about a week delay, stuff happens. And I'd rather them have an updated accurate system, lest AFIS approves like, a convicted felon or serial rapist by accident.

Delays happen, just like road work on my block. Drive around, no big deal.

Same here I live in Pa. it's not the end of the world. If it helps keep guns out of the hands of people who are not eligible to own a gun by up dating the system I'm all for it.

Berto
05-13-2012, 12:46
But what if a badguy buys it, goes, and kills someone?
Or like, drops off the face of the earth?
I'm not coming after you, I'm just saying in a perfect world it'd make sense what you're saying, but how do we combat the badguys from sneakin through?

THe flip side is infringing on people's freedoms for the lowest common denominator. The Gov/NIC isn't accountable for what crimes are commited. You still fill out the 4474 and state your legality.

bsg1
05-13-2012, 14:35
anything that stops or delays the prospective gun owner from obtaining a gun... is a victory to the anti.

Lockback
05-13-2012, 14:40
A week isn't so bad.

Maryland has a mandatory (minimum) 7-day waiting period on all handguns and some rifles and shotguns.
We also have NO face-to-face private sales of handguns and certain rifles and/or shotguns.

One day, Maryland may come out of the communistic/socialist pre-historic times.

It most likely won't be in my lifetime, though.

Bastiges.



I'm surprised that Maryland doesn't have checkpoints at the borders with MSP asking for (said in a heavy Russian accent), "Your payyyy-pers, Please."

Gotta admit....I'm really glad I don't live in your state, bro.

ADK_40GLKr
05-13-2012, 14:42
If this happened in your state how upset would you be?

Not very.....

Given the amount of time it took for my initial application, photos, background checks and interviews of my neighbors by the State Police, and visit to County Clerk to get the issued license, what difference would another week make?

.... unless I'd never heard of "Delayed Gratification". :whistling:

teweekley
05-13-2012, 20:10
In SC all I have to do is show them my cwp. I can walk out the door in five minutes of choosing what gun I want.


WV just very recently passed a law that allows us to bypass the background check by showing our CCW permit. There was another law passed at the same time that requires LE to return a firearm to its owner instead of destroying it.

TalkToTheGlock
05-13-2012, 21:25
Maybe I won't spend my paycheck this week on guns now. Haha. Glad I got my buying in last week.

Psychman
05-14-2012, 10:52
Fingerprints for a CCW here in Indiana, but to buy a gun??? LOL Heck no.