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Roger G23
05-13-2012, 20:42
I learned the hard way about the .40S&W round and small subcompact pistols. I found the G27 basically uncontrollable for follow up shots with the flush baseplate. Switched to the G26 and happiness.
Still wanted a .40S&W subcompact though. Gave the M&P40c a shot and glad I did. It really handles the .40 very nicely even with flush baseplates.
What about the new Shield? Do you think it will handle the .40 pretty well? Or do you think a slim pistol like this is really designed for the 9mm?

TxGlock9
05-13-2012, 21:02
Contrary to conventional thought I think the slimness of the M&P shield will actually help with the recoil of the 40sw. Reason being the purchase on the gun will be a lot more secure. The recoil however will be greater due to it's lighter weight. Just my .02.

TalkToTheGlock
05-13-2012, 21:16
My friend and LGS owner has a .40S&W daily and has put 500 rounds through it and states the recoil isn't bad at all. He said it is definitely better and more controllable than the G27. I'm thinking about picking one up.

dnuggett
05-13-2012, 22:01
No, had the chance yesterday and I passed on it.

Wurger
05-13-2012, 22:31
I have the G27 (and G26)and 9mm Shield........Happy with the G27 except for the width in pocket carry. I may go for the .40 Shield and sell which one of the Shields I like the least.

Folsom_Prison
05-13-2012, 23:08
Nope I wouldn't, I'm not a big Fawty fan.

TxGlock9
05-13-2012, 23:23
Nope I wouldn't, I'm not a big Fawty fan.

:rofl:

Cole125
05-13-2012, 23:48
Not a chance. .40 has little advantage over 9mm with modern +p SD loads and it brings with it more recoil and muzzle flip and less capacity. No thanks.

cowboy1964
05-14-2012, 00:07
Not a fan of .40 in these smaller guns. The .40 Walther PPS has a lot of negative feedback about recoil, I wouldn't expect miracles from the Shield.

Dan Glock
05-14-2012, 00:10
not a chance. .40 has little advantage over 9mm with modern +p sd loads and it brings with it more recoil and muzzle flip and less capacity. No thanks.

x2!!!

TSAX
05-14-2012, 00:11
I would try and test fire it first or at least wait for more feedback about the recoil. For me the PPS in .40 was a good example of a
a snappy and unpleasant shooting gun. I hope the Shield in .40 is a much better gun.






:50cal:

mrsurfboard
05-14-2012, 02:57
Not a chance. .40 has little advantage over 9mm with modern +p SD loads and it brings with it more recoil and muzzle flip and less capacity. No thanks.

+3 :supergrin:

collim1
05-14-2012, 03:51
In a gun that size I would appreciate the softer recoil and extra round of the 9mm offering.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
05-14-2012, 05:16
I have one in 9mm and like it. Shot placement is king. Why not get the 9mm. No matter what, it WILL be more controllable. 1 handed, I was very impressed with doubletaps with the 9mm version

CajunBass
05-14-2012, 05:46
No...but then I wouldn't buy anything else in 40 either.

BuckyP
05-14-2012, 06:01
Heck, I'm to the point I'd get one in .41 AE if I could find one. :sigh:

All kidding aside, the 9mm is what people have and loads of good reports about them, so that's what I'll eventually be getting.

Kanin
05-14-2012, 06:37
I like 40 as a round, but I'm sticking with the 9mm in the Shield.

Aahzz
05-14-2012, 06:53
Not a chance. .40 has little advantage over 9mm with modern +p SD loads and it brings with it more recoil and muzzle flip and less capacity. No thanks.

What he said.

Pred8tory
05-14-2012, 07:05
No. My Glock 27 is totally dependable and holds 10 rounds.

ChicagoZman
05-14-2012, 07:34
Even though I own several .40s, in a gun the size of the Shield probably not.

ParisArms
05-14-2012, 07:48
Yes I actually have one. I think the shield was always going ti be offered in 40. In the nine to me it heavier then other slim 9's. The extra weight helps it. It also offers a great grip. The shield has probably the most natural grip of any gun I have ever held. The extra weight a grip makes the gun in 40 amazing.


Sent an iPhone 4s sitting next to a Glock 17 loaded with 19 round of +P+ ammo.

Roger G23
05-14-2012, 11:59
Yes I actually have one. I think the shield was always going ti be offered in 40. In the nine to me it heavier then other slim 9's. The extra weight helps it. It also offers a great grip. The shield has probably the most natural grip of any gun I have ever held. The extra weight a grip makes the gun in 40 amazing.


Sent an iPhone 4s sitting next to a Glock 17 loaded with 19 round of +P+ ammo.
You make some good points here. The same attributes about the M&P40c that make it a very shootable subcompact .40
The overwhelming consensus here so far is to go with the 9mm.
My track record so far---
Sold my PPS .40 and got one in 9mm
Sold my G27 and got a G26
Tried the M&P40c and immediately ordered an M&P40 FS
Been an M&P fan ever since.
If we were allowed to own only firearm and CCW laws stayed the same, mine would be the M&P40c.

Bruce M
05-14-2012, 12:04
While I am looking forward to a 9mm Shield I would really want to shoot a .40 Shield before I bought one. That said Smith and Wesson seem to do .40 as well or better than most anyone else.

ca survivor
05-14-2012, 14:46
Even though I own several .40s, in a gun the size of the Shield probably not.
same thinking here, but I'm not buying a Shield any way.

DRG
05-14-2012, 15:59
I like 40 as a round, but I'm sticking with the 9mm in the Shield.

ditto:supergrin:

vafish
05-14-2012, 16:25
Yes I would and I've been waiting for the 40s to come out.

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4TS&W
05-14-2012, 16:29
Yes.

As well as the Chiappa Rhino in .40

I need a high paying job, to afford all this stuff!

Roger G23
05-14-2012, 18:38
S&W M&P has really impressed me with their pistols in .40
I actually like them more in this potent caliber than Glock, HK, Beretta and CZ (all the ones I've tried and didn't like) and took a loss.
(Still got my G23, cuz y'know, I'm Roger G23)

ParisArms
05-14-2012, 18:52
Yes I would and I've been waiting for the 40s to come out.

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They are showing up. I've had mine for about a week now.


Sent an iPhone 4s sitting next to a Glock 17 loaded with 19 round of +P+ ammo.

carbuncle
05-15-2012, 09:03
I have a Walther PPS in .40, it's easily my favorite carry gun, hands down, of all the guns I've used for CCW. Smooth-shooting, surprisingly reasonable recoil, super easy to conceal IWB, in a cargo pocket or in the big pocket of my winter coat. If the PPS ever goes Tango Uniform I'll be happy to look at a Shield for the same use, but after several hundred flawless rounds I'm not in the market for a replacment.

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byf43
05-15-2012, 14:48
Once I can put my hands on a .40 Shield, I'll most likely buy one.

I've got several 9mm handguns, including G26, G19, Beretta 92FS.

The .40 Shield would be a nice addition to the G23.

hsprincipal
05-15-2012, 20:05
No. I'm waiting the the .40 Beretta Nano.

CBennett
05-15-2012, 20:28
no, I don't like the S&W .40 round and can't see me ever having a gun chambered in it after ditching the glock 23..now its 9mm or .45 acp.

Wurger
05-15-2012, 23:50
Not a chance. .40 has little advantage over 9mm with modern +p SD loads and it brings with it more recoil and muzzle flip and less capacity. No thanks.

Well....a 9mm +P still does not equal a hot loaded 155gr .40 S&W. More "recoil and muzzle flip" are a result of the higher energy of the round.

RYT 2BER
05-16-2012, 19:49
I have a pps in 40 and the recoil isn't anything to write home about... I happen to find it the softest shooting polymer 40 I've ever shot and I have a bunch of them.

Furthermore, I love how people cry about the 40 then run to load up a 9mm with +p+...as if +p+ recoils ôless" than a 40..

Good Lord what would the world be without endless loads of internet bu%&$hi+....?

cowboy1964
05-16-2012, 19:59
Here we go again. Load identical 9mm and 40S&W pistols with ANY ammo and let me shoot them blind-folded. I could easily tell you which was which.

Roger G23
05-16-2012, 20:07
Here we go again. Load identical 9mm and 40S&W pistols with ANY ammo and let me shoot them blind-folded. I could easily tell you which was which.I would immediately know which one is the Speer Gold Dot 155gr. or 165gr!! Wooooh. lol

RYT 2BER
05-16-2012, 20:07
Here we go again. Load identical 9mm and 40S&W pistols with ANY ammo and let me shoot them blind-folded. I could easily tell you which was which.

Sooo you think federal 180 gr target crap fmj red box 40 recoils more than 124 gr +p+ 9mm jhp.

You're dreaming....

1SGMP
05-16-2012, 20:22
I will take the heat for this one.. I am a big Big fan of the 40 (i own many many different handguns) I know this is no comparison but here goes. Several yrs ago while deer hunting in the Northeast I shot a 172 lbs 6point whitetail with my G27. The shot and conditions couldnt have been more perfect. About 22 yds away Broad side shot Just above the right shoulder he was walling toward me never saw me then stopped gun was at the ready, I touched it off (165 grn SXT) he stood there for about a second then just dropped in his tracks. bullet tore thouugh shoulder and just below the spine. a perfect mushroom almost exited the deer. again I know a deer is no comparison for a human nevertheles i was impressed. the 40 cal is good enuf for me.
out here
1SG

Cole125
05-16-2012, 20:38
Well....a 9mm +P still does not equal a hot loaded 155gr .40 S&W. More "recoil and muzzle flip" are a result of the higher energy of the round.

True, .40 is more powerful and I don't have a problem with it in a bigger gun like a G22 where you have 15 rounds.

In a small conceal carry pistol you have more recoil, and under stress the more controllable the handgun is the better off you are. As mentioned above 9mm in a little gun also gives you life saving extra rounds.

glock2740
05-16-2012, 21:00
If I got/get a Shield, it would/will be in 9mm. Most likely a pocket carry for me. If I want to tote a small 9mm or .40S&W on my hip for CC, I'll stick with my G26 and G27. :cool:

mixflip
05-16-2012, 22:46
Im not a fan of the 40.

9mm or 45acp one or the other. 9mm +P bonded JHP's already perform in the 40 cal range anyway. Just as snappy and powerfull as a 40 and you can carry more of them in 9mm. If you go 40+P bonded JHP's then I'd rather just go all the way up to a 45acp and be done with it.

rem2429
05-16-2012, 23:48
I will take the heat for this one.. I am a big Big fan of the 40 (i own many many different handguns) I know this is no comparison but here goes. Several yrs ago while deer hunting in the Northeast I shot a 172 lbs 6point whitetail with my G27. The shot and conditions couldnt have been more perfect. About 22 yds away Broad side shot Just above the right shoulder he was walling toward me never saw me then stopped gun was at the ready, I touched it off (165 grn SXT) he stood there for about a second then just dropped in his tracks. bullet tore thouugh shoulder and just below the spine. a perfect mushroom almost exited the deer. again I know a deer is no comparison for a human nevertheles i was impressed. the 40 cal is good enuf for me.
out here
1SG
I cracked a chest in the er once that seems to suggest the effects are very similar on people. .40 unknown load fired from a police officer's Glock. After that I bought a G27.


I have a shield in 9mm and do not think I want another .40.
I do love the shield. The only 9mm I have ever been this accurate with was a full sized sig.

Nakanokalronin
05-17-2012, 00:54
Sooo you think federal 180 gr target crap fmj red box 40 recoils more than 124 gr +p+ 9mm jhp.

You're dreaming....

You don't need +P+ for the 9mm to perform. A heavier 147gr. with standard pressure or +P and 124gr.+P will do fine and perform well from a short barrel. Lots of videos and data on the subject.

Also, why are you comparing 180gr. target ammo to 124gr. +P+ defense ammo? Because someone can tell the difference when the same type of ammo is used or is the question about skewing the scenario by loading one gun with a low powered load and the other with one that has no SAAMI specs? Compare target ammo to target ammo and HP to HP ammo without trying to add the unnecessary +P+ 9mm into the mix like stated in your last two posts. :dunno:

Bottom line, +P+ is not necessary in any 9mm platform designed for carry. Ammo technology has advanced enough where some 9mm HP ammo penetrates as well, if not better + expands as much, if not more than some 45acp loadings.

I shot a .40 Glock with target ammo and it was much snappier and had a much different recoil signature than a 9mm Glock with target or HP ammo. I'm sure the 9mm would of been a lot closer (if not more so) to the .40 in the recoil department if I loading it up with +P+.

To the OP: I'd get a Shield in 9mm, but that's my personal preference. Never liked the .40 round and HP technology has advanced enough where you can have higher capacity, proper penetration and great expansion all in one. This is my opinion though and I was jealous when all the .40 owners had ammo sitting on the shelves at the local Wally World as the 9mm and 45acp was bought up as quickly as it was put on the shelf, if it even made it that far during the ammo shortage.

diamondd2
05-17-2012, 05:09
Not a chance. .40 has little advantage over 9mm with modern +p SD loads and it brings with it more recoil and muzzle flip and less capacity. No thanks.


I find that modern +p 9mm SD loads have about as much recoil and snap as the .40. But with the 9mm you get more capacity, so 9mm it is for me.

HunterG23
12-24-2012, 12:28
Coming from a .40 shield owner, who has never had a glock subcompact. The 40 shield has 1 less round, however with 165 grain speer gold dots, I don't feel lacking 1 round is a big loss. In controllability, it was a real handful to begin with, however after many rounds of ball and SD loads at the indoor range, it is starting to be a very accurate and controllable shooter. Bear in mind, the shield is not a range guns, extended range use becomes a bear for me only when repeatedly reloading the mags, they are metal and hurt my thumbs a lot after 100 rounds. This gun shines for its intended purpose, CC duty. With a horsehide crossbreed supertuck carrying is very easy and at self defence distances you can empty a mag very fast and on target. If you do get a 40 shield practice and range time will be your ally. Good luck and happy holidays.

HunterG23
12-24-2012, 12:33
Im not a fan of the 40.

9mm or 45acp one or the other. 9mm +P bonded JHP's already perform in the 40 cal range anyway. Just as snappy and powerfull as a 40 and you can carry more of them in 9mm. If you go 40+P bonded JHP's then I'd rather just go all the way up to a 45acp and be done with it.
I don't mean to seem disagreeable but I have never seen .40 +p ammo

barth
12-24-2012, 12:40
I would try and test fire it first or at least wait for more feedback about the recoil. For me the PPS in .40 was a good example of a
a snappy and unpleasant shooting gun. I hope the Shield in .40 is a much better gun.
:50cal:

+1
Recoil is subjective for sure.
I haven't fired a Shield.
But Walther PPS 40 and Kahr P40 are not fun for me.
In ~17 oz gun I really prefer 9mm.
Smallest 40s I like are my Glock G27 and HK P2000SK.

Definitely test fire one first.

fastbolt
12-24-2012, 13:16
Probably not.

I bought a M&P 40c instead of a 9c, and after later shooting some 9c's, I rather wish I'd gotten one instead of the 40c. Much easier to shoot.

Don't mistake me, the 40c is a fine little .40 S&W, and I like being able to use the caliber with heavier bullet weights.

I also own and use a handful of other .40's (4040PD, SW9940, 4013TSW, G27), and I've carried a couple of issued .40's over the years. The 40c ranks right up there with the 4013TSW & SW9940 for controllability, with better ergonomics than either of them. A lot better for controllability & recoil management than the few SW9940c's I've used, too.

The only smallish .40 I own that has finally demonstrated itself to be "best", in my hands, is my 4040PD. It was sort of a surprise, considering how long it took me to realize it, too.

After having owned the little 4040 since '05, I can finally wring the same controllability & practical accuracy from the 4040 as I can my well-used 3913 (using various issued +P & +P+ loads). It feels pretty much the same ... to me, now, using 180gr, 165gr & 155gr loads ... as when shooting my 3913.

I can shoot more rounds over a longer range session with the 40c than I can with the G27, too, speaking from how much effort it requires on my part to continue exerting optimal controllability.

I'll be keeping my G27, though (since I have more than 13K rounds fired through it). Handy, well-made example of the smallish .40 pistol.

I'm still considering buying a Shield 9, however. The one I used for an afternoon was a surprisingly very accurate 9mm. Very controllable and comfortable to shoot.

The problem is that I already own several nicely made reliable smallish 9's, and I'm having a hard time motivating myself to add yet another one to the over-stuffed safe. (I'll probably buy another safe.)

Rambling done ...

Patchman
12-24-2012, 13:21
I learned the hard way about the .40S&W round and small subcompact pistols. I found the G27 basically uncontrollable for follow up shots with the flush baseplate.

If you like the G27, why not try a pinkie extension (or whatever it's called)? At $10, it's a lot cheaper than buying a whole new gun.

PattonT
12-26-2012, 13:00
I picked one up today. I have not got to shoot it yet but I'm not recoil sensitive anyway. I actually wanted a 9 but since the 40 was there for $450 OTD I got it. Another deciding factor was all the 40s&w ammo available. By looking at the amount of 40 ammo available it was hard to be believe there has been a rush.

uncleted327
12-27-2012, 08:58
I guess I'm in the minority but I found my g27 an absolute *****cat to shoot, even one handed. Guess that's why recoil is such a subjective item. 9mm holds no advantage to me so I wouldn't hesitate to get any size gun in .40 if available.

PattonT
12-27-2012, 09:10
The true way I see it is if a caliber recoils more than the target feels it to. I had one of the top US Army handgun instructors tell me that and the more I think about it the more truth I see to it. I don't notice a difference in 9 compared to 40 though. The G26 to G27 is one of the few platforms I notice the extra recoil in. My G19 compared to my G23, someone could blind fold me and I couldn't tell. I will not get to shoot my new Shield 40 until Friday, it stinks.

Zooco
12-27-2012, 11:48
What I would like to see is an offering in 357SIG. I am tempted by the 9mm, but I am waiting a little while to see if they eventually offer it in 357SIG. If not, I will pick up the 9mm. The G23 is my 'small' 40.

SiberianErik
12-27-2012, 15:02
I have the MP40c in stock and they fly out the door, same w/the XDs 45, the nano we have two and both sold today. So far the Sheild in 40 is not moving the way we thought. Ill take a jframe .38+p

Bren
12-27-2012, 15:43
I learned the hard way about the .40S&W round and small subcompact pistols. I found the G27 basically uncontrollable for follow up shots with the flush baseplate. Switched to the G26 and happiness.


That's just a matter of practice and learning the right grip. I've fired a full outdoor GSSF match with a 27 with flush base plates and full-power factory carry ammo. Me and 2 others, using the same gun and ammo, still came in above the middle of the pack of a few hundred shooters, mostly shooting 9mm.

Get the .40 and work on your grip and recoil control.

fnfalguy
12-27-2012, 23:53
I picked up a 9mm Shield and have zero regrets about the pistol and the caliber that I chose. It's a fantastic CCW pistol!

bac1023
12-28-2012, 04:00
I'd only buy one in 9mm. I'm not a 40S&W fan.

PattonT
12-28-2012, 10:45
Disclaimer; I am not a recoil sensitive guy but the 40 Shield is very mild. As a matter of fact my LCP has a lot more snap than the Shield does. I shot my LCP before the shield this afternoon. No problems at all in a assortment of 50rds. I wish I would have taken more 40 with me because I could have shot it all day, I wouldn't say that for my LCP or my JFrames because 50 of each is about all my hands can take. I would actually go out on a limb and say the Shield in .40 is as easy to handle as say a Glock 19/23, I don't know how S&W did it.