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Psychman
05-17-2012, 05:17
I am in the market for a Smith. What would you all suggest as a good .357 with a 4" barrel?

Baba Louie
05-17-2012, 05:29
Not like there's a single choice made by S&W, you're going to have to decide, big (N Frame 28 maybe?) or medium large (L Frame 586/686) or medium (K Frame).

New or used? (lock or pre-lock)

Blue or stainless?

Range or carry?

Fixed or adjustable sight?

Things like that. Ponder them, grab one. It'll simply be the first of many I bet as you cannot go wrong with any of them really.

I vote older (pre lock) 586 4". (or a 581 if you can find one) Or a simple .38 spl Model 10 (you'll probably shoot more .38s than .357s truth be told... at least I do. YMMV)

bac1023
05-17-2012, 05:37
I'd go with the medium (L) framed 586 or 686. Its got great balance. 586 is blued, 686 is stainless.


Here's my 686. :cool:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/038-1.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/040-1.jpg

MarcDW
05-17-2012, 05:57
I think S&W makes the best revolvers in that price range.
Since they make so many models, you need to tell us what you want to do with it.
CCW?
Target practice?
Home defense?
Just for joy??

Here the 327 8 round Nightguard in .357Mag.
http://www.mdwguns.com/Video_Pics_files/327%2038.jpg

Psychman
05-17-2012, 06:17
I think S&W makes the best revolvers in that price range.
Since they make so many models, you need to tell us what you want to do with it.
CCW?
Target practice?
Home defense?
Just for joy??

Here the 327 8 round Nightguard in .357Mag.
http://www.mdwguns.com/Video_Pics_files/327%2038.jpg

I won't carry it for CCW, so just for target practice, home defense and JOY!!

southernshooter
05-17-2012, 06:19
Those guns have near rifle like accuracy. Semi autos are all the rage but when you find the right round for a full size S&W revolver the accuracy is amazing.

Psychman
05-17-2012, 06:28
Those guns have near rifle like accuracy. Semi autos are all the rage but when you find the right round for a full size S&W revolver the accuracy is amazing.

I just love revolvers which is why I am looking for a good Smith and Wesson to add to my stable.

JordanK
05-17-2012, 06:33
I'd go older if you could find one. Try a model 19/66 "Combat Magnum" (pretty much the same gun... 19 is blued, 66 is stainless. The latter is pictured). It is a K-frame, and people will tell you that you shouldn't fire full power .357 too often from the model. But, nobody told me that when I bought it and I've put thousands of handloads and high velocity magnums through it with no ill effects. It was made at the urging of gunfighting legend Bill Jordan. So, hell of a pedigree.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/168962_1834937194515_1273012712_2137540_2599279_n.jpg

If you prefer L/N-frame, the M27/28 is pretty hard to beat. The first began life as the S&W Registered Magnum, and had such illustrious adherents as Gen. Patton (who called it his "killing gun"), and the latter is functionally identical but without many purely aesthetic frills. Top strap ridging and a textured trigger, to name a few. It was made to be more affordable for the cop on the street, hence it's pre model number designation, the "highway patrolman".

The 6/327 is pretty much a modernized take on the 27... so if you can't find one of em' used somewhere, that'll no doubt work just as well. The 686 is decent... but they just don't make em' like they used to IMHO.

Hope that helped!

CBennett
05-17-2012, 06:38
I am in the market for a Smith. What would you all suggest as a good .357 with a 4" barrel?

Model 28 is just about my favorite. It was my first duty weapon i ever carried back in the late 80's early 90's and was a VERY accurate shooter. My current Dan Wesson 15-2 has a SLIGHT edge in accuracy but not a ton.

glock2740
05-17-2012, 06:40
686 gets my vote.

bac1023
05-17-2012, 06:41
Those guns have near rifle like accuracy. Semi autos are all the rage but when you find the right round for a full size S&W revolver the accuracy is amazing.

:agree:

itstime
05-17-2012, 06:48
I vote 686 also. Love my P model.

CajunBass
05-17-2012, 07:21
Model 28 is just about my favorite. It was my first duty weapon i ever carried back in the late 80's early 90's and was a VERY accurate shooter. My current Dan Wesson 15-2 has a SLIGHT edge in accuracy but not a ton.

I haven't seen a Smith & Wesson anything I don't like, but the Model 28 was the first one to grab my attention back when I was just a kid looking through the glass case. :wow:

It took me a long time, but I finally got one.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0215.jpg

If you want something a little smaller, the Model 19 is hard to beat.

Shoot. Just get one. You'll like it.

ronin.45
05-17-2012, 07:29
I'm a 4" 686 fan.

I don't suppose you shoot .45ACP at all.:whistling:

Bruce M
05-17-2012, 07:44
If I wanted it for range use and was not going to carry it I would go for a Model 27 or Model 28 (same gun basically; most noticeable difference is that the Model 27 has a higher degree of polish making its finish shinier.) Probably mostly a collectible now rather than a shooter, there is the Model 520 which is essentially a Model 28 but with fixed sights if I as looking for an N frame but without adjustable sights.
If I was going to carry it alot then I probably would go for the Model 19 or 66 or maybe a Model 13 if I wanted fixed sights.

Handling several over the years, to me the triggers on N frames are usually a bit better than on K frames but a couple of the best revolver triggers I have had the pleasure of were on K frames.

glockrex
05-17-2012, 07:57
I am in the market for a Smith. What would you all suggest as a good .357 with a 4" barrel?

I have a 686 with a 4" barrel. This is a gun that can be passed down for generations and will still be a work horse 100 years from now.

ilgunguygt
05-17-2012, 08:18
I have a pre-lock 4" 686. An amazing weapon.

Psychman
05-17-2012, 08:29
I'm a 4" 686 fan.

I don't suppose you shoot .45ACP at all.:whistling:


LOL. Actually I reload .45 ACP.

20SFLV
05-17-2012, 08:41
If you want it primarily for the range, the 6" model 28 is a good choice. You should be able to get it at a good price. The 4" model is good as well. As other people mentioned, you really can't go wrong with any model you see here. I have shot a 28 as well as a 681 (fixed sight version of the 686), and they are both great guns. The 28 is bigger than the 686, but both can eat .357 all day long.

cannoneer
05-17-2012, 08:59
I think S&W makes the best revolvers in that price range.
Since they make so many models, you need to tell us what you want to do with it.
CCW?
Target practice?
Home defense?
Just for joy??

Here the 327 8 round Nightguard in .357Mag.
http://www.mdwguns.com/Video_Pics_files/327%2038.jpg

What is wrong in this picture?
Are my eyes playing tricks on me.

MarcDW
05-17-2012, 09:13
What is wrong in this picture?
Are my eyes playing tricks on me.

You properly referring to the hammer still back?
I can assure you, I did't cook it back that fast! :supergrin:
It's just that the camera did catch it that slow.

About the OP question: In that case I would go with a 686 in either 4" or 6".
The 6" is boring for target practice: It shoot always hole in hole even on 50 yards!

bac1023
05-17-2012, 09:24
If I wanted it for range use and was not going to carry it I would go for a Model 27 or Model 28 (same gun basically; most noticeable difference is that the Model 27 has a higher degree of polish making its finish shinier.)


I love the N Frame Smiths. I have a 8 3/8" 27-2 that's an incredible shooter.

Its certainly one of the finest revolvers Smith ever built, but the frame does seem larger than need be for the 357mag.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2551.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2554.jpg

ronin.45
05-17-2012, 09:53
LOL. Actually I reload .45 ACP.

Then a 625 is definitely for you!:supergrin:

TSAX
05-17-2012, 11:47
Another vote for the 686









:50cal:

GTS197
05-17-2012, 12:31
My vote is for the 586/686, or the 66.

byf43
05-17-2012, 12:38
You cannot go 'wrong' with any K, L, or N Frame S&W revolver, as long as it doesn't have that daggone lock.


1979 (Bangor Punta) S&W mdl 19:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/SWmdl19-3.jpg
:thumbsup:

Berto
05-17-2012, 12:45
I'd look for a nice used N frame model 28. The proverbial 'roscoe'. They are excellent shooters and make shooting full power .357mag fun. Insane accuracy too.

clancy
05-17-2012, 15:42
Of all the .357's, this one is my favorite:

225253

Sheepdog689
05-17-2012, 16:26
I've still got my S&W model 19 that was issued to me in 1975. I bought it from the department when we switched to the model 659. While I was carrying it I made a couple trips to the S&W factory and had their custom shop go through it. Trigger and cylinder action is as smooth as silk. It's the only gun I own that my son begged me to give him. I will eventually, when I'm 6 feet under, but until then it is my favorite handgun. Sorry Glock....I love my Glock 19 and 38 but they don't come close to the beauty, fit, finish and function of a Smith revolver.

barth
05-17-2012, 16:27
I am in the market for a Smith. What would you all suggest as a good .357 with a 4" barrel?

S&W 686 pre-lock
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm231/jppaul16438/feb22011128.jpg

Bruce M
05-17-2012, 16:28
I love the N Frame Smiths. I have a 8 3/8" 27-2 that's an incredible shooter.

Its certainly one of the finest revolvers Smith ever built, but the frame does seem larger than need be for the 357mag.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2551.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2554.jpg
Wow very nice! I agree that the frame is large under current circumstances, but I am guessing that back in the 30's with the state of metalurgy coupled with some of the loadings of the .357 magnum back then it was not quite as much overdone. I think I remember reading some .357 loads back then were a bit higher velocity compared to current loadings

Haldor
05-17-2012, 16:31
Model 28 is just about my favorite. It was my first duty weapon i ever carried back in the late 80's early 90's and was a VERY accurate shooter. My current Dan Wesson 15-2 has a SLIGHT edge in accuracy but not a ton.

My 6" Model 28 was an incredibly accurate revolver and very easy to shoot well. I hadn't done much if any target shooting at the time (late '70s), but my most memorable shooting exploit ever was done with my Model 28.

I was out shooting with my sister and brother in-law. We had stopped at my favorite desert shooting spot North-East of Phoenix and there were a couple of other people already there. They had been plinking at some soda cans at a measured 110 yards with .22 rifles without too much luck.

I joined them and decided for grins to try the Model 28. My first shot was low (I had never shot that far before). I adjusted my hold over and my next two shots hit two cans in a row. Everybody stopped what they were doing and looked at me with total astonishment. I decided I wasn't going to be able to top that and put the revolver away.

My sister still mentions that event every so often 30+ years later. I drove by my old shooting spot a couple of years ago and it was in the middle of a huge housing development.

Restless28
05-17-2012, 16:31
My 13-1.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq340/jackcassid/IMG_0307.jpg

barth
05-17-2012, 16:35
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo05/ad/6a/48882277cde6__1313264906000.jpg

Zombie Steve
05-17-2012, 16:41
I love the N frames.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/DSCF2309.jpg


(but I'd have to recommend a 686 as your first).

bac1023
05-17-2012, 16:58
You cannot go 'wrong' with any K, L, or N Frame S&W revolver, as long as it doesn't have that daggone lock.




I agree.

Get a pre-lock model. I can not stand the lock at all.

bac1023
05-17-2012, 16:59
I love the N frames.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/DSCF2309.jpg


(but I'd have to recommend a 686 as your first).

Always an awesome pic, Steve :thumbsup:

bac1023
05-17-2012, 17:01
Wow very nice! I agree that the frame is large under current circumstances, but I am guessing that back in the 30's with the state of metalurgy coupled with some of the loadings of the .357 magnum back then it was not quite as much overdone. I think I remember reading some .357 loads back then were a bit higher velocity compared to current loadings

Thanks Bruce.

You can tell the 27 is overbuilt just by looking at how thick the cylinder walls are. :wow:

JordanK
05-17-2012, 17:01
This thread has reminded me of a question I've meant to ask someone for years. I don't own a smith made during the lock years... actually, I don't own a smith made after 1985 right now... what is the problem with the locks? I mean... you can just not lock them right? If it is just cause it looks dumb, I totally get it... if it interferes with disassembly or something, I get it a thousand times better... I'm just curious.

bac1023
05-17-2012, 17:04
This thread has reminded me of a question I've meant to ask someone for years. I don't own a smith made during the lock years... actually, I don't own a smith made after 1985 right now... what is the problem with the locks? I mean... you can just not lock them right? If it is just cause it looks dumb, I totally get it... if it interferes with disassembly or something, I get it a thousand times better... I'm just curious.

There's three things I can't stand.

1. The ugly look of it. It may not bother some, but when I look at an otherwise beautiful S&W revolver, all I see is the lock.

2. The whole idea behind them doing it.

3. The potential for issues.


I own a 29-10 with the lock, but that was before I knew better. I also own a 460 XVR with the lock, but I had no choice if I wanted a 460.

Deaf Smith
05-17-2012, 17:31
I am in the market for a Smith. What would you all suggest as a good .357 with a 4" barrel?

Find a used 686 if you can. I saw one of the 'new' 686+ 3 inch magnums and I kind of liked it. Had one piece barrel and, yes, the child lock. I really liked the one piece barrel as they have had problems with the two piece one.

But it was an excellent example that could be carried daily if you wore a coat or jacket (kind of heavy and bulky in a IWB under a shirt.)

Plus it's a SEVEN shooter!

One fly in the ointment... $750+ price tag!

Deaf

JordanK
05-17-2012, 17:55
There's three things I can't stand.

1. The ugly look of it. It may not bother some, but when I look at an otherwise beautiful S&W revolver, all I see is the lock.

2. The whole idea behind them doing it.

3. The potential for issues.


I own a 29-10 with the lock, but that was before I knew better. I also own a 460 XVR with the lock, but I had no choice if I wanted a 460.

Those all seem like fair points to me... preciate you taking the time.

ca survivor
05-17-2012, 17:57
686 but 27s or 28s are nice too.

bac1023
05-17-2012, 18:33
Those all seem like fair points to me... preciate you taking the time.

No problem :wavey:

byf43
05-17-2012, 19:32
I love the N frames.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/DSCF2309.jpg




Always an awesome pic, Steve :thumbsup:


Agreed. Spectacular!!!!


And bac, that mdl 27 is absolutely gorgeous!!! That bluing looks absolutely fluid. Looks like it's going to flow right off that frame! Amazing!

pennlineman
05-17-2012, 19:39
I have examples from all three frames sizes. They all have their niches. If I had only one I'd have to go with the L frame models 581, 586, 681 or 686.

Psychman
05-18-2012, 04:59
Ok, I think I will start looking for a Model 28. Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Much appreciated.

DFin
05-18-2012, 07:39
I have a 4 in. model 28. It is big & heavy to carry but the recoil is light due to the weight. I would like it better if it had an 8 round cylinder like the performance center N frame .357's.

Nestor
05-18-2012, 11:38
Model 28 or 686.
Model 27 while excellent was waaaay to pretty to shoot.
Literally, so I sold it and got myself the pristine 6" M 28.
I'm not looking back.
Next year or so I may grab 686, but with the lock this time, since the model with the shortest, legal 4.2" barrel (Canadian version) is only available with the lock.
Good luck - the revolvers are fun!

Psychman
05-18-2012, 13:37
Smith & Wesson 28-2 Highway Patrol .357 MAG 4inch , Blued and at 95% or better.$695.00 good price or not?

jwagess
05-18-2012, 13:58
My first duty handgun was a Model 19 in 6 inch barrel. It was so accurate that my other academy classmates said it wasn't fair that shot at the same distances as them, and that I should move back to make it more fair.:rofl:

JordanK
05-18-2012, 14:12
Smith & Wesson 28-2 Highway Patrol .357 MAG 4inch , Blued and at 95% or better.$695.00 good price or not?

Not good, exactly... no... but not unfair either. I got mine (which is no where near 95%, mind you... but still very functional) for 5ish I think. There aren't as many around as there used to be though... especially in like-new condition. If the cylinder locks up tight and you've got the cash, go nuts!

FWIW, I've seen 28's at gun shows marked up to 1k (presumably the sellers did so to provide room for haggling... I wouldn't know, I tend to slowly back away from tables with "deals" like that). I'd estimate the median price for em' was in the low 600s, in my experience anyway. Just be glad you aren't trying for a Python... the pricing on those is starting to get absurd.

wanderinwalker
05-18-2012, 14:27
Not good, exactly... no... but not unfair either. I got mine (which is no where near 95%, mind you... but still very functional) for 5ish I think. There aren't as many around as there used to be though... especially in like-new condition. If the cylinder locks up tight and you've got the cash, go nuts!

FWIW, I've seen 28's at gun shows marked up to 1k (presumably the sellers did so to provide room for haggling... I wouldn't know, I tend to slowly back away from tables with "deals" like that). I'd estimate the median price for em' was in the low 600s, in my experience anyway. Just be glad you aren't trying for a Python... the pricing on those is starting to get absurd.

Smokes! Now I am really kicking myself for not burning the plastic when I saw one a couple of years ago at $499. :steamed:

Anyway, to the OPs original question, any one of the standard frame S&Ws should suit the bill nicely. I like the balance and aesthetics of the K-frame and the tapered barrel N-frames. And I swear full-underlugs are ugly as sin (and maintain I won`t own a Python unless given to me by a favorite relative, but my 586 no-dash has become my go-to .357 slinger. It is heavy, which is noticeable when transitioning between targets at the range, but it shoots very smoothly with full-power .357s.

Pick one, they are all good. Right now I kind of want to replace the 629 with an N-frame .357. But not at $700 for a run-of-the-mill Highway Patrolman. :shocked:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/P-990/SWFamily.jpg

JordanK
05-18-2012, 14:50
Smokes! Now I am really kicking myself for not burning the plastic when I saw one a couple of years ago at $499. :steamed:

Heh, I've missed quite a few myself... don't kick yourself too hard. Matter of fact, had a buddy try to sell me a... well, some state police or highway patrol (Florida... I think) marked one my first year in the Army ('08, not too long ago). A bit of holster wear, but tight lock up, good trigger. I decided it wasn't worth the hit to my little E-2 paycheck to drop 300$ on some old gun (in my defense... it was nickle plated... I've never been a fan of that finish). Shortly thereafter, I got super into wheel guns and realized what it was. By that time... he'd PCS'd elsewhere and somebody smarter than me probably ended up with it. I uh... well, I try not to think about it much anymore...

bear62
05-18-2012, 14:52
One of my favorite handguns is the 686....... I also have a Model 28 and like it a lot. The 686, however, fits my hand better.....:wavey:

CajunBass
05-18-2012, 15:21
Smith & Wesson 28-2 Highway Patrol .357 MAG 4inch , Blued and at 95% or better.$695.00 good price or not?

Probably a bit high, but not out of the ballpark if it has the box and papers. Good condition 28's, especially with the 4" barrels are getting hard to find, so you sort of have to swallow hard sometimes and ask youself when you think you'll see one in the same condition for less. Not long ago, I listed mine for sale $650.00 (with box and papers). I quickly changed my mind and took it off the market before I found out if it would have sold for that.

I believe it would have.

southernshooter
05-18-2012, 15:54
I think S&W makes the best revolvers in that price range.
Since they make so many models, you need to tell us what you want to do with it.
CCW?
Target practice?
Home defense?
Just for joy??

Here the 327 8 round Nightguard in .357Mag.
http://www.mdwguns.com/Video_Pics_files/327%2038.jpg

If someone ever asks "why don't silencers work on revolvers?" There is your answer.

JordanK
05-18-2012, 16:03
If someone ever asks "why don't silencers work on revolvers?" There is your answer.

Pfft, all lies. James Bond movies would never mislead me.

CBennett
05-18-2012, 16:14
Ok, I think I will start looking for a Model 28. Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Much appreciated.

good choice. Thats what I was actually looking for when I more or less "fell into/onto" that Dan Wesson 15-2. Was looking for a Model 28 but saw that Dan Wesson and when I saw the price and got it for $270 out the door...well My Model 28 dreams were put on hold lol...I still want one bad though! maybe if I get my $$ this year...hmmm.

CBennett
05-18-2012, 16:15
If someone ever asks "why don't silencers work on revolvers?" There is your answer.

lol silencers on revolvers :)

fnfalman
05-18-2012, 16:25
If someone ever asks "why don't silencers work on revolvers?" There is your answer.

A. A Nagan revolver will work with a silencer just fine.

B. Somebody converted a Ruger GP100 to take silencer back in the late 1980s.

3rdgen40
05-18-2012, 16:33
If someone ever asks "why don't silencers work on revolvers?" There is your answer.

lol silencers on revolvers :)

A. A Nagan revolver will work with a silencer just fine.

B. Somebody converted a Ruger GP100 to take silencer back in the late 1980s.
"Silencer" ? No such thing.

CBennett
05-18-2012, 16:45
"Silencer" ? No such thing.

nope they DO reduce the noise a lot but the movies really did them a great injustice...or should I say WAY overhyped them...they do make for nice shooting though if your shooting around say a farm and or animals that can get easily spooked..but the miniscule sound from the movies uggh lol.

JordanK
05-18-2012, 17:07
Wait a tic... are you people trying to tell me that suppressors basically amount to hearing protection? That's just insane, obviously they are items which must be carefully regulated and controlled... at least as much as, lets say, fully automatic weapons and explosives. :whistling:

sfguard
05-18-2012, 17:07
I carried a 686 on duty for a few years before the department I worked for then changed. Great pistol

Bruce M
05-18-2012, 17:38
Smith & Wesson 28-2 Highway Patrol .357 MAG 4inch , Blued and at 95% or better.$695.00 good price or not?


Maybe a year ago I saw one that was maybe 75% finish but locked up tight for 400. If I didn't have one that was ~60% that I paid I think 250 for sometime last century I would have jumped on it. There is a saying that you never really pay too much for a Smith and Wesson revolver, but you may pay too early. If it has the box and tools $695 is probably a bit high but realistic. If we look on Gunbroker there are Model 28s that are listed higher - I don't know if they sell at those prices.

gunsmoke92
05-18-2012, 20:19
Model 28 prices are all over the place right now. The last 18 months to 2 years, the prices have been steadily rising. I have seen them going for as little $400 and recently a couple going for around $1400. $450 to $600 seems to be the average lately, so deals can still be found, but it may require patience and some searching.

I grabbed my 4" "S" serial numbered 28-2, in about 98% condition with no box or papers, for $450 as soon as it hit the display case. Now I need a 6" version.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g125/gunsmoke92/model%2028-2/004-1.jpg

If $650 isn't to steep for your wallet, grab it.

CBennett
05-18-2012, 20:25
Model 28 prices are all over the place right now. The last 18 months to 2 years, the prices have been steadily rising. I have seen them going for as little $400 and recently a couple going for around $1400. $450 to $600 seems to be the average lately, so deals can still be found, but it may require patience and some searching.

I grabbed my 4" "S" serial numbered 28-2, in about 98% condition with no box or papers, for $450 as soon as it hit the display case. Now I need a 6" version.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g125/gunsmoke92/model%2028-2/004-1.jpg

If $650 isn't to steep for your wallet, grab it.


love it!:wow:

R*E
05-18-2012, 20:52
I picked up a 4" Model 13-2 a couple of weeks ago from the LGS. They weren't going to sell it to me at first, some fellow called about it and the store was holding it for him because he said he'd be right over. This was an hour and a half before I showed up. After I inspected it, I told them I'd take it if they'd sell it to me right now. The sales lady who set it aside wanted to give the caller another half hour to come in, I wasn't willing to wait and the store manager figured he'd rather make a sale to a customer in his store. If you snooze, you loose. :cool:

Around these parts, it seems like older S&W are in high demand.

bac1023
05-18-2012, 21:19
And bac, that mdl 27 is absolutely gorgeous!!! That bluing looks absolutely fluid. Looks like it's going to flow right off that frame! Amazing!

Thank you sir.

It does have great bluing. Like I said, the 27 was one of the finest revolvers Smith ever built. I also love the checkered top strap.

20SFLV
05-18-2012, 21:24
Smith & Wesson 28-2 Highway Patrol .357 MAG 4inch , Blued and at 95% or better.$695.00 good price or not?

You should be able to do better than that. That is probably a good price for a gun in perfect condition, never fired, and with the box and all the documentations.

I picked up a S-prefix 4" 28-2 for $400 a few months ago on gunbroker. The 4" models cost more than the 6" models as the 4" models are more popular now, but you should still be able to get either barrel in the $400-$500 range.

20SFLV
05-18-2012, 21:26
Probably a bit high, but not out of the ballpark if it has the box and papers. Good condition 28's, especially with the 4" barrels are getting hard to find, so you sort of have to swallow hard sometimes and ask youself when you think you'll see one in the same condition for less. Not long ago, I listed mine for sale $650.00 (with box and papers). I quickly changed my mind and took it off the market before I found out if it would have sold for that.

I believe it would have.

It would have. There was a 28-2 that went for almost $1400 on gunbroker about a month ago. That is crazy. 4" barrels are popular, but you should still be able to get a reasonable deal on them if you wait long enough.

Wyoming
05-18-2012, 22:58
I am in the market for a Smith. What would you all suggest as a good .357 with a 4" barrel?

You want "a" Smith & Wesson.:animlol:

That is how it starts! I was a kid in school when I bought a S&W 17. Then I bought a S&W 19. Now dozens later!

You say that you reload for the 45 ACP. Great! A revolver is a great way to use reloads that don't feed through your auto. I have a 625 Mountain in 45 ACP that I think Smith should bring back. The 625 they make is a little heavier but all N frame Smith's in 45 ACP fun and easy to shoot.

However, if you reload for 45 ACP then you don't need much more equipment to load 38 and 357 magnum so your idea of getting a Smith in 357 is a very good one.

I thought this post was over when bac said 686.

A four inch stainless steel revolver is a very versatile handgun to have for a reloader! You can reload 38 wadcutter that are easy to shoot as 22's all the way to max charge 357's.

Life is too short not to have a Smith & Wesson revolver

or two


or more:whistling:

fnfalman
05-19-2012, 01:49
"Silencer" ? No such thing.
Really?

You know more than the inventor himself? If Hiram PERCY Maxim (that's the son and not the dad) were to call these things "silencers" (and that's what he called it), then who are you to disagree?

Stop reading the "combat" magazines and "tactical" intrawebs, but instead do some research on firearms inventors.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4891178039248177&id=89de8daa363977930f1a7cde31c62cfe

3rdgen40
05-19-2012, 02:09
Really?

You know more than the inventor himself? If Hiram PERCY Maxim (that's the son and not the dad) were to call these things "silencers" (and that's what he called it), then who are you to disagree?

Stop reading the "combat" magazines and "tactical" intrawebs, but instead do some research on firearms inventors.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4891178039248177&id=89de8daa363977930f1a7cde31c62cfe
It's a suppressor, not a "silencer".It still makes noise,therefore it's not completely silenced.:upeyes:

fnfalman
05-19-2012, 02:11
It's a suppressor, not a "silencer".It still makes noise,therefore it's not completely silenced.:upeyes:

So, you know better than the inventor himself?

3rdgen40
05-19-2012, 02:16
So, you know better than the inventor himself?


Silence | Define Silence at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/silence)


dictionary.reference.com/browse/silence
noun 1. absence of any sound or noise; stillness. 2. the state or fact of being silent ; muteness.

fnfalman
05-19-2012, 02:19
Silence | Define Silence at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/silence)


dictionary.reference.com/browse/silence
noun 1. absence of any sound or noise; stillness. 2. the state or fact of being silent ; muteness.

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/maximsilpic.jpg

fnfalman
05-19-2012, 02:20
But hey, what does the inventor of the silencer know? It's not like he didn't invent the thing and named it.

byf43
05-19-2012, 05:34
Thank you sir.

It does have great bluing. Like I said, the 27 was one of the finest revolvers Smith ever built. I also love the checkered top strap.


Back in the late '70s, one local shop had a mdl 27 (don't remember the 'dash' number), a mdl 28, a mdl 29, 25-2 and a 25-5 in stock.

That mdl 27 was calling my name, loudly.
Unfortunately, all of the others were, too!!!

That 6-1/2" mdl 27 was a thing of beauty.

All of them were priced under $400.00, and I just didn't have the $$$.

That was also the days of the $335.00 Colt Python, too!
(S&W mdl 19-4 was $247.95!!!):supergrin:

bac1023
05-19-2012, 05:45
Back in the late '70s, one local shop had a mdl 27 (don't remember the 'dash' number), a mdl 28, a mdl 29, 25-2 and a 25-5 in stock.

That mdl 27 was calling my name, loudly.
Unfortunately, all of the others were, too!!!

That 6-1/2" mdl 27 was a thing of beauty.

All of them were priced under $400.00, and I just didn't have the $$$.

That was also the days of the $335.00 Colt Python, too!
(S&W mdl 19-4 was $247.95!!!):supergrin:

Very cool indeed :cool:

CajunBass
05-19-2012, 06:06
Thank you sir.

It does have great bluing. Like I said, the 27 was one of the finest revolvers Smith ever built. I also love the checkered top strap.

Yea, those 27's will do in a pinch. :whistling:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0399.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0345.jpg

Seriously, the 27 didn't get to be the flagship by accident. I paid about $750.00 each for these two in the last year or so. If you don't mind paying the extra, and if you're getting up into these prices, you probably don't, the 27-2 is in a class all it's own IMHO.

(Any reddish tint in the images is a result of the red building behind me reflecting the sunlight.)

bac1023
05-19-2012, 06:10
Seriously, the 27 didn't get to be the flagship by accident. I paid about $750.00 each for these two in the last year or so. If you don't mind paying the extra, and if you're getting up into these prices, you probably don't, the 27-2 is in a class all it's own IMHO.




Very nice :cool:

Yeah, the 27 was certainly the flagship back in the day.

wanderinwalker
05-19-2012, 06:27
Heh, I've missed quite a few myself... don't kick yourself too hard. Matter of fact, had a buddy try to sell me a... well, some state police or highway patrol (Florida... I think) marked one my first year in the Army ('08, not too long ago). A bit of holster wear, but tight lock up, good trigger. I decided it wasn't worth the hit to my little E-2 paycheck to drop 300$ on some old gun (in my defense... it was nickle plated... I've never been a fan of that finish). Shortly thereafter, I got super into wheel guns and realized what it was. By that time... he'd PCS'd elsewhere and somebody smarter than me probably ended up with it. I uh... well, I try not to think about it much anymore...

I suppose this is not a good time to mention the clean looking 6.5in 27-2 I saw in one of the LGSs a couple of summers ago for $550. Or the 37 Airweight for $325. And somebody had had an 8 7/8in 27 in the display case for under $600. :crying:

Seriously, when I see near 7 bills for a standard ole 28, I think that is treading close to what you can get a 27 for.

To the OP, I have another suggestion. Prowl around the local shops with a list of potential options (Model 13, 19, 66, 65, 28, 27, 586, 686, 581, 681, etc. Ultimately you will probably ended u with several, like the rest of us. If you find one that passes the revolver checkout and you like it, take it home and check it off the list. Then look for the next one... :whistling:

CBennett
05-19-2012, 06:32
So, you know better than the inventor himself?

Im guessing most likely yes as it reduces the sound a LOT but the word SILENCE being in there...yeah not quite lol. The quitest one I shot was a MP5 with 9mm subsonic rounds with a silencer..it was quiet..quiet enough you could hear the mechanical receiver/bolt sounds..but SILENT...no..quiet YES :). Easily shot without hearing protection.

3rdgen40
05-19-2012, 06:50
But hey, what does the inventor of the silencer know? It's not like he didn't invent the thing and named it.
Larry Vickers and a Suppressed M4 - YouTube

Restless28
05-19-2012, 09:15
Yea, those 27's will do in a pinch. :whistling:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0399.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0345.jpg

Seriously, the 27 didn't get to be the flagship by accident. I paid about $750.00 each for these two in the last year or so. If you don't mind paying the extra, and if you're getting up into these prices, you probably don't, the 27-2 is in a class all it's own IMHO.

(Any reddish tint in the images is a result of the red building behind me reflecting the sunlight.)

Beautiful guns.:cool:

JordanK
05-19-2012, 09:54
I suppose this is not a good time to mention the clean looking 6.5in 27-2 I saw in one of the LGSs a couple of summers ago for $550. Or the 37 Airweight for $325. And somebody had had an 8 7/8in 27 in the display case for under $600. :crying:

That's it... I'm going to New Hampshire. Apparently your gun stores are run by people who hate money...

bac1023
05-19-2012, 12:05
I suppose this is not a good time to mention the clean looking 6.5in 27-2 I saw in one of the LGSs a couple of summers ago for $550.

:faint:

That's a great price for a clean 27-2. Like I mentioned, the 27 was always S&W's flagship revolver from the days before it was even called the 27.

JordanK
05-19-2012, 12:18
:faint:

That's a great price for a clean 27-2. Like I mentioned, the 27 was always S&W's flagship revolver from the days before it was even called the 27.

I think that's my favorite part about the 27/28... such a cool history. Started has a special order only gun, made it's way to regular production with a limited number of barrel lengths, and ultimately became one of the fixtures of the S&W line. One of my collection grails is a pre-27 magnum... preferably a pre-1939 w/papers (you know... when I win the lottery I guess). Something like this would suit me just find :supergrin:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Smith-Wesson/PattonsRegisteredMagnum.jpg

bac1023
05-19-2012, 14:20
I think that's my favorite part about the 27/28... such a cool history. Started has a special order only gun, made it's way to regular production with a limited number of barrel lengths, and ultimately became one of the fixtures of the S&W line. One of my collection grails is a pre-27 magnum... preferably a pre-1939 w/papers (you know... when I win the lottery I guess). Something like this would suit me just find :supergrin:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Smith-Wesson/PattonsRegisteredMagnum.jpg

Yeah, I'd love a Registered Magnum myself.

fnfalman
05-19-2012, 17:39
Im guessing most likely yes as it reduces the sound a LOT but the word SILENCE being in there...yeah not quite lol. The quitest one I shot was a MP5 with 9mm subsonic rounds with a silencer..it was quiet..quiet enough you could hear the mechanical receiver/bolt sounds..but SILENT...no..quiet YES :). Easily shot without hearing protection.

Why don't you invent the thing and then call it whatever you want to call it?

Hiram P. Maxim invented it and he called it a silencer. He even patented it as a silencer. Don't like it? Too bad.

Of course neither Daddy or Sonny Maxim knew anything about combat weapons and accessories unlike the modern day commandos.

fnfalman
05-19-2012, 17:40
Did Larry Vickers invent the Silencer? Did Larry Vickers invent anything firearms or firearms related at all?

Larry Vickers and a Suppressed M4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wviX3yemjMI)

R*E
05-19-2012, 21:53
I went out and shot my M13-2 with a 4" barrel. It's a sweet shooter.

3rdgen40
05-20-2012, 05:45
I went out and shot my M13-2 with a 4" barrel. It's a sweet shooter.
Cool.:cool:

wanderinwalker
05-20-2012, 07:12
That's it... I'm going to New Hampshire. Apparently your gun stores are run by people who hate money...

I wouldn`t get too excited. Those were 18-24 months ago. That 586 in my first post was $499 OTD about 3 months ago (and it came with a set of ugly-butt Pachmyers that I immediately took off and threw, then walked to and threw again). OK, come on up, the Model 18 was also $499 OTD, but that was 3 years ago. (Did I mention no sales tax in NH either? :embarassed: )

Dang, now I need to go troll the gunshos and see what other interesting old iron is showing up. I`m kind of expecting to see some getting traded in for high-cap autoloaders before November... :whistling:

joecoastie
05-20-2012, 07:34
LOL. Actually I reload .45 ACP.

Then you should consider a 625. Uses moonclips so you can shoot .45 ACP out of it.

http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r579/Don_Sprick/Guns/625-8.jpg

JordanK
05-20-2012, 07:43
I wouldn`t get too excited. Those were 18-24 months ago. That 586 in my first post was $499 OTD about 3 months ago (and it came with a set of ugly-butt Pachmyers that I immediately took off and threw, then walked to and threw again). OK, come on up, the Model 18 was also $499 OTD, but that was 3 years ago. (Did I mention no sales tax in NH either? :embarassed: )

Dang, now I need to go troll the gunshos and see what other interesting old iron is showing up. I`m kind of expecting to see some getting traded in for high-cap autoloaders before November... :whistling:

Well, if you should happen upon a registered magnum, a .38/200 victory model, and/or a no dash 29 whilst trolling said gun shows... just... actually, just don't tell me. I'm not positive that I'd be able to stop myself from driving to NH. From El Paso... that's what, 36 hours or so?

Ugh... this thread is gonna be expensive for me. My various wheelgun phases have proven disastrous for my discretionary income. I've already found myself calling all the local places with a good eye for revolvers... only a matter of time until something crops up that I can't resist.

Haldor
05-20-2012, 08:58
Silence | Define Silence at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/silence)


dictionary.reference.com/browse/silence[/URL]
noun 1. absence of any sound or noise; stillness. 2. the state or fact of being silent ; muteness.

[url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/silencer?s=t (http://www.bing.com/search?q=silence&form=OBMSGD&pc=OBRN#)

silencer [sahy-luhn-ser]  
si·lenc·er   [sahy-luhn-ser] Show IPA
noun
1. a person or thing that silences.
2. a device for deadening the report of a firearm.
3. Chiefly British . the muffler on an internal-combustion engine.

Origin: 1625–35; silence + -er1

Perhaps if you look up the definition of the actual word in question instead of some other word you will find the correct definition.

blastfact
05-20-2012, 10:51
New with locks, MIM, spring's and stone work. They shoot fantastic!

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/medium/2357.jpg

Shocker73
05-20-2012, 12:53
Did Larry Vickers invent the Silencer? Did Larry Vickers invent anything firearms or firearms related at all?

"Silencer", no...firearms or firearms related, yes:whistling:

http://vickerstactical.com/consulting/

CBennett
05-20-2012, 13:39
Why don't you invent the thing and then call it whatever you want to call it?

Hiram P. Maxim invented it and he called it a silencer. He even patented it as a silencer. Don't like it? Too bad.

Of course neither Daddy or Sonny Maxim knew anything about combat weapons and accessories unlike the modern day commandos.

:upeyes:

glad it does not silence anything no matter what he patented it as...he should have called it the muffler or the sound reducer or the well you get the idea...its not what he decided to call it its that it reduces noise not silences it.

I mean I when referring to them also call them a silencer..its just common to know what they do...MANY time though in fact a vast majority of time people have never used and or heard one in real life and only heard the fake Hollywood crap that makes everything from a .22 subsonic to a 300 Win mag sound like a slight hiss/pop lol...so yeah even though I also CALL it a silencer I KNOW it just reduces sound not silences it and it reduces it a lot LESS than Hollywood makes you think lol.

Psychman
05-25-2012, 05:29
Ok, I am looking at a 27-2 model with the following description.

Fluted six-shot cylinder that chambers .357 Magnum cartridges, funtioning ejector shroud. Recessed and Pinned. 5" barrel with an excellent bore. Timing, lockup and action is excellent. Adjustable square white notch rear sight and fixed high-visible orange front sight. Grips are excellent and bluing is rated at ~90%. Competition hammer and trigger. Top of receiver and barrel is checkered and ridged.
Numerous pictures show the gun to be in the condition seller states. He is asking $899. What do you all think?

byf43
05-25-2012, 05:40
Ok, I am looking at a 27-2 model with the following description.

Fluted six-shot cylinder that chambers .357 Magnum cartridges, funtioning ejector shroud. Recessed and Pinned. 5" barrel with an excellent bore. Timing, lockup and action is excellent. Adjustable square white notch rear sight and fixed high-visible orange front sight. Grips are excellent and bluing is rated at ~90%. Competition hammer and trigger. Top of receiver and barrel is checkered and ridged.
Numerous pictures show the gun to be in the condition seller states. He is asking $899. What do you all think?


IF memory serves me, the mdl 27 was available with 3-1/2", 4", 5", 6", 6-1/2" and 8-3/8" barrel(s) at one point in time.

The 5" barrel version is/was kinda rare, I think.
So, to me, that would bring a premium.

Also, the front sight was offered as 'anything that S&W makes', from a red ramp, to a patridge, to a gold bead on a patridge.
The white outline rear sight is 'normal', from S&W.
The Target Hammer and Trigger are nice. Really nice.
I'm curious if the seller meant Target hammer/trigger when he stated 'competition'. The other style is "Combat" hammer/trigger.
(I added the TH and TT to my mdl 19-4!! I love 'em!)

IF I had the $$$ set aside for it, I'd buy it.

Kentucky Shooter
05-25-2012, 06:23
686 gets my vote.

+1....cant go wrong here. And will handle hot .357 loads as well as mild 38 specials.

Bruce M
05-25-2012, 07:38
I agree that the five inch barrels are a bit rarer and probably worth a premium. $899 seems a bit high to me but my guess is that in a year or four it probably will seem like a bargain price.

Psychman
05-25-2012, 09:13
I agree that the five inch barrels are a bit rarer and probably worth a premium. $899 seems a bit high to me but my guess is that in a year or four it probably will seem like a bargain price.

It does have the target hammer and trigger. Also the price included shipping and insurance to my FFL. I bought it and it will be in town Weds.
MY first Smith.!! I can't wait.

Thanks so much for all your help guys.

pennlineman
05-25-2012, 09:15
You don't see 5" barreled 27's every day, I'd probably buy it if everything else checks out. The price is not bad, not exactly a deal either.

I'd be proud to own one.

byf43
05-25-2012, 10:31
It does have the target hammer and trigger. Also the price included shipping and insurance to my FFL. I bought it and it will be in town Weds.
MY first Smith.!! I can't wait.

Thanks so much for all your help guys.



Great!!!!!

When you get it, post up some pics, please!!!!!

JordanK
05-25-2012, 11:09
Congrats! Hope you enjoy it!

Psychman
06-02-2012, 12:53
Here is what I ended up with. Model 27-2, 5 inch barrel, 1976.

Baba Louie
06-02-2012, 12:57
Psych, that is so sweet!

With those magna grips shooting full power loads might not be too comfortable, but then there's grips for shootin and grips for BBQ wearin (and photo ops) and there's always T-grip adapters.

Range report?!?

Nice find. 5". Sweet.

CBennett
06-02-2012, 12:59
Here is what I ended up with. Model 27-2, 5 inch barrel, 1976.

great gun congrats!

JordanK
06-02-2012, 12:59
Very nice! Have fun with it buddy.

hogship
06-02-2012, 13:17
I think S&W makes the best revolvers in that price range.
Since they make so many models, you need to tell us what you want to do with it.
CCW?
Target practice?
Home defense?
Just for joy??

Here the 327 8 round Nightguard in .357Mag.
http://www.mdwguns.com/Video_Pics_files/327%2038.jpg

Has anyone asked why it appears the hammer is back?

ooc

porschedog
06-02-2012, 13:28
I have a 65 that I bought new many moons ago

The only upgrade is a set of Hogue grips
It's uber accurate, despite the fixed sights, and is fun to shoot

The wife learned to shoot revolvers with it and a bunch of 38 wad cutters

It has made many trips as the boat gun and many more out to the ' Glades

For me, it does it all

byf43
06-02-2012, 14:07
Here is what I ended up with. Model 27-2, 5 inch barrel, 1976.

Beautiful!!!!!!!