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gunslinger3
05-18-2012, 21:27
Would be an awful lot to carry.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/survive-and-thrive-you-wont-believe-whats-in-this-apocalypse-survival-bag/

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Apokalypse-PAK-620x410.jpg

Protus
05-19-2012, 05:04
Would be an awful lot to carry.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/survive-and-thrive-you-wont-believe-whats-in-this-apocalypse-survival-bag/

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Apokalypse-PAK-620x410.jpg

its easy to make a list....carrying and using it are a different beast. Lot of useless items in there.

cyrsequipment
05-19-2012, 05:16
I see the water filter, but is there a canteen in that mess that I am missing?

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FerFAL
05-19-2012, 12:58
A shotgun is a pretty crappy idea. And that axe abortion thing? why, God, why? You already have a freaking Kukri that chops just as well.:upeyes:
FerFAL

FireForged
05-19-2012, 14:11
i agree... I would easily cut that in half.

auto-5
05-19-2012, 16:50
If you ate going to bring a long gun a .22 would be better than a shotgun but either way put a freaking sling on it.

quake
05-19-2012, 17:28
A - way too much stuff imo.

B - prices seem off to the point of neurotic. According to the prices listed, his holster costs exactly $2 more than his spork. (Never mind he's trusting a supposedly $900 pistol to an $11 holster. And his rope coil is $150..? For $150, I could buy enough rope to snare an elephant. :dunno:

Folks should use their gear before they start recommending things to other people.

Aceman
05-19-2012, 18:41
Before we hate: We do not know the poster's goals or environment or strategy with this bag.

And ferfal: A 12g SG is a GREAT freaking bugout weapon. Get real. But again - you have no idea of my contect when saying that...so :tongueout:

Now for the off the cuff comment: Yeah - that is a bunch of random @$$ crap and expensive surburban dumb @$$ "I want the best" not-that-it-will-save-their-sorry=@$$ because they don't know how to use it crap.

I think we have all seen (and have) way better gear arrangements. It was entertaining if nothing else.

But kudos - it's better than nothing. Wayyyyyyy better than most people I know.

RWBlue
05-19-2012, 19:31
If you ate going to bring a long gun a .22 would be better than a shotgun but either way put a freaking sling on it.

A shotgun is not great at anything, but it is OK at a lot of things.

i.e. Lets go up against a 22LR rifle.
Which would you rather shoot at a person at 100 yards?
Which is best for clearing a house?
Which is can you carry more ammo? 22LR wins this
Which would get you more small game if you HAD to hunt to survive?
Which would get you more large game if you had to hunt to survive?

Aceman
05-20-2012, 06:09
The shotgun and the .22 BOTH have their advantages. And we each have our preferences.

.22:
+ Small, light, quiet (relatively), ammo extremely cheap, ammo small/light, great for hunting varmints

SG
+ able to hunt anything from varmint to deer to birds, extremely effective SD/HD weapon, low cost, high reliabity

I personally have one of each as dedicated bug out tools.

Aceman
05-20-2012, 06:11
$500 for a Mossberg 500? Where is he shopping? More proof that the pack was assembled by someone with ore money than sense.

And I'll trade taht MSR stove for my Esbit anyday.

FireForged
05-20-2012, 16:40
I was watching a rockport boot review on youtube the other night and happened to notice a bugoutbag video in the "suggested" tab. I watched it until the guy pulled out like the 7th bladed item out of his pack and that was as far as I could go.

Aceman
05-20-2012, 17:51
Hey I carry, let me see...

probably seven knives. One in each bag = 4, plus Big utility, Main folder, and pocket Swiss.

But I fiemly believe in 1 is none for my key items, and I assume that I may need to lose a bag, or that i might end up with ony one. But - if I have my pouch/bag/beltpouch/pack....I know I have a knife/fire/water.

TangoFoxtrot
05-21-2012, 05:08
Would be an awful lot to carry.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/survive-and-thrive-you-wont-believe-whats-in-this-apocalypse-survival-bag/

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Apokalypse-PAK-620x410.jpg

There is alot of things to consider when making a B.O.B. You have to remember one of the most important factors.. "weight"! If you wind up on foot you better be able to hump that pack and shotgun cross country.

RWBlue
05-21-2012, 08:34
There is alot of things to consider when making a B.O.B. You have to remember one of the most important factors.. "weight"! If you wind up on foot you better be able to hump that pack and shotgun cross country.

Or be ready to drop some gear along the way.



BTW, how is this person carrying their water?

Bilbo Bagins
05-21-2012, 08:43
There is a little bit of poor redundancy with this pack, and its missing a VERY important item....ummmm do you guys see it?


How are you going to carry and store your water :dunno:

Is this bag going to be heavy? Yea but even at its current state its probably 70 to 80lb so its doable. I also wonder if all that stuff can even fit in that pack.

All in all though its a decent list. You just need to weed it down and perhaps compartmentalized some stuff so that stuff you don't need for certain SHTF events can be jettisoned. A Seed vault and a Silver Dollar would be good for a mad max EOTW event, but for an earthquake or other basic event you can dump that.

Both a Steripen and a Miniworks water filter? Dump one or the other.

Why do preppers have a hard on with rope and paracord. Do you have the skills to use a climbing rope without a harness? If you had a harness would you still be clueless? Unless you know how to climb and rappel and need to climb or pull someone out of a hole, I would dump the climbing rope and the quickdraw binders and just keep the paracord.

A Kurki and a Fireman's Axe? Even in a zombie apocalypse, two heavy melee weapons may be a bit much. Pick one or the other, or better yet find something smaller and lighter. You already have a knife with the leatherman wave, so all you need is a decent full tang, fixed blade knife for bushcraft and fighting.

I have a similar setup with a Hammock, a lightweight 30 degree bag, and a reactor liner. The only problem is having a pad or something to keep the cold from creeping up your back when hanging on cold windy days, or sleeping bivvy style on the cold ground in the winter.

I'm not a fan of the shotgun or the HK P2000 pistol either. For the same size and weight I rather have a 15 round Glock 19 then the 13 round H&K. Carrying a long arm while bugging out on foot means a real EOTW event, so I rather have my AR than a shotgun. For those not so end of the world events, a packable .22 rifle and carrying your handgun concealed an not in a dropdown holster might be a better options.

I think with some effort, you can make that into a pretty sweet 40lb BOB

Dexters
05-21-2012, 09:12
I see the water filter, but is there a canteen in that mess that I am missing?

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That was my first thought - no water bladder.

Also, the pack is too small - you need space to store your clothing layers you don't need to be wearing.

wjv
05-21-2012, 10:18
I have more stuff in my car trunk than I can carry. But my plan is to tailor my load based on what's happening and current weather conditions.

Living in the pacific NW rain gear is essential 8 months of the year. . Don't need it 4 months of the year. During those 8 months a small tent is a good idea. During the other 4 a simple Heat Shield (tm) bivouac bag is all you would need.

Bilbo Bagins
05-21-2012, 11:34
That was my first thought - no water bladder.

Also, the pack is too small - you need space to store your clothing layers you don't need to be wearing.

At 2,000 to 2,300 cubic inches that Gregory bag is way too small to carry all that

Amazon.com: Gregory Mountain Products Tarne 36 Backpack: Sports & Outdoors

A Daypack will not cut it. You need something that is +3000 cubic inches or an ALICE pack for all that stuff

Batesmotel
05-21-2012, 11:58
This was not put together by a Grunt. Too much theory, no practical experience.

IV Troop
05-22-2012, 20:21
This was not put together by a Grunt. Too much theory, no practical experience.

Huge +1!

But typical of survival boards on the net. Lots of theory, very little reality. This person would be in a state of total exhaustion within the hour just on a typical family elk hunt with my family at 8,000-9000+ ' elevation and thousand plus feet vertical up and down each day.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/LostRiverRangeOct08027-1.jpg

Here is a little clue: Ounces = pounds. Pounds= pain. Drop 75% of that crap. Put down the credit card and go spend some time in the outdoors. :upeyes:

cowboy1964
05-22-2012, 22:14
I don't know, that doesn't look like much stuff. I sure don't see 3 days worth of food (not to mention water).

TangoFoxtrot
05-23-2012, 04:25
Sometimes people forget its great to have all the gadgits in your BOB , but food and water has to be the priority.

Bilbo Bagins
05-23-2012, 07:36
I don't know, that doesn't look like much stuff. I sure don't see 3 days worth of food (not to mention water).

Supposedly that is a 72 hour Mountain House kit. Even though I never seen the kit outside the box, that picture looks like maybe 4 pouches, while the actual MH kit has 12 pouches. The Kit is plenty of food, but the problem is there is no stove. Granted you can eat MH with cold water, or use all those heavy steel tools and fire starting stuff to make a campfire for breakfast,lunch and dinner :upeyes:. Honestly for a BOB I rather have a non-cook food system. Basically food bars or rations that I can eat on the go. No screwing around with stoves, fuel, utensils, mixing, and prep. Just unwrap, eat and move. Who knows why you would need to Bug out. You may need to get to a location on foot very quickly, or even worse you may be on the run. You don't want to screw around with pouches, water, and fire.

There is of course zero water or any water containers. I would at least have 3L/1 Gallon on hand to start with if you are East of the Mississippi. West of the Mississippi the odds of you finding another water source in three days get less likely, so you would need to carry more water.

DrSticky
05-23-2012, 08:52
There are some strange things there.

Atovaquone(aka Malerone)? I think Malaria is not going to be a concern for a while. I would worry more about the first year, than the return of widespread Malaria to the lower 48.

Seed bank? This seems out of place while bugging out.

That 72-hour food kit is about ~2500 calories, which is what you will burn lugging that bag around for a few hours.

I searched through a few times and I didn't see a stove.

Protus
05-23-2012, 10:35
Here is a little clue: Ounces = pounds. Pounds= pain

well on the web everyone can hump a 60lb ruck all day and not get tired LOL.

IV Troop
08-07-2013, 19:43
well on the web everyone can hump a 60lb ruck all day and not get tired LOL.

GRIN,

Reviving this old thread. I saw the old pack and remembered that trip up that jagged, Rocky Mountain mountainside while hunting. Quite the austere environment for working out what does and does not work, gear wise.

Batesmotel
08-07-2013, 19:58
well on the web everyone can hump a 60lb ruck all day and not get tired LOL.

Not even when I was a young fit Marine. 60# is a lot of weight.

ithaca_deerslayer
08-07-2013, 20:29
A shotgun is not great at anything, but it is OK at a lot of things.

i.e. Lets go up against a 22LR rifle.
Which would you rather shoot at a person at 100 yards?
Which is best for clearing a house?
Which is can you carry more ammo? 22LR wins this
Which would get you more small game if you HAD to hunt to survive?
Which would get you more large game if you had to hunt to survive?

A shotgun is great at shooting birds in flight. Pretty good on running rabbits too.

But concealment of a gun might be needed. A Glock 26 can take small game, do self-defense, and stay concealed.

A .22lr in a rifle is better at hunting, better at medium to long range self-defense but bad on concealment.

I don't know. Take a rifle or shotgun, or not. Certainly take a handgun.

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RWBlue
08-07-2013, 20:44
Unpacked my BOB last weekend. Things smelled funky. Things got washed. I will be repacking, reanalyzing for a test trip.

RWBlue
08-07-2013, 20:56
A shotgun is great at shooting birds in flight. Pretty good on running rabbits too.

But concealment of a gun might be needed. A Glock 26 can take small game, do self-defense, and stay concealed.

A .22lr in a rifle is better at hunting, better at medium to long range self-defense but bad on concealment.

I don't know. Take a rifle or shotgun, or not. Certainly take a handgun.

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I joined the NRA, have you yet?

There is no one best option for everyone.

It depends on where you are. If you need concealment, then you need concealment.

If you are stuck in the middle of no where not a EOTWAWKI, but a personal SHTF, then maybe hunting/trapping is an option. Then it depends on where you are. Some places shotguns work. Some places I only see big game and it is not close to me = center fire rifle. I think a combo gun has the most advantages, but ...

If you are dealing with an EOTWAWKI, then the entire situation changes. Everyone alive, but not much power and fresh water, you will probably have to shoot someone. 99% of the world dead, we are back in a hunting situation.

I am as much of a collector as a shooter at this point. The hardest thing for me will be deciding which gun to take if there was a SHTF.

If you

mac66
08-08-2013, 15:44
Here's the actual list of stuff...

Okuma Voyager Spinning Travel Kit ($40).
Ontario SP16 SPAX Firefighter Axe ($60).
Steripen Adventurer Opti UV Water Purifier with Solar Charging Case ($120).
Leatherman New Wave Multi-Tool ($60).
MSR MiniWorks Microfilter ($90).
Survival Seed Vault ($38).
Adventure Medical Fundamentals Kit ($110).
MSR Packtowl UltraLite($10 – $30).
Snow Peak Titanium Spork ($9).
Paisley Cotton Bandanas ($6).
Mountain House 72-Hour Emergency Meal Kit ($49).
McNett Gear Aid Tenacious Tape ($1 – $15).
PROKNOT Outdoor Knots ($5).
DMM ALPHA Quickdraw ($28).
Suunto Global Compass($63).
MSR Titan Pot ($112).
Sierra Designs Tent Stakes ($10).
Guyot Designs Bowl and Cup Set ($13 – $20).
Petzl Tikka Headlamp ($53).
Swedish Firesteel Scout Model ($6 – $20).
COGHLANS Emergency Tinder Kit ($5).
American Silver Eagle Coin in Air-Tite Capsule ($39).
Cold Steel Kukri Machete ($30).
BIC Disposable Classic Lighter ($7).
UTG Elite Tactical Leg Holster ($11).
Smith Abrasives Diamond Combination Thumb Guard Micro Tool ($29).
Type III Paracord ($12).
Gregory Mountain Products Tarne Backpack ($140).
Mammut Supernova Climbing Rope ($150).
iOSAT Potassium Iodide Tablets ($8).
Gregory Accessories Raincover ($30).
Etón SCORPION Solar Powered Weather Radio($50).
Mossberg 500 Pump-Action Shotgun ($500).
Hennessy Explorer Deluxe A-Symmetrical Hammock ($177). MTM Survivor Dry Box ($15).
Mountain Hardwear Phantom Sleeping Bag ($290 – $365).
Sea to Summit Reactor Extreme Thermolite Liner($59).
HK P2000 Pistol ($941).
Hydrocodone ($TBD). Ciprofloxacin ($TBD). Atovaquone($TBD).
Shotgun Shells ($TBD). 9mm Bullets ($TBD).


Comments:

The prices stated are likely quoted retail prices so no point in commenting. One can certainly find less expensive stuff to do the same thing.

Likewise the guns are an individual choice so no sense commenting on them.

I see tent stakes but no tent or tarp or rain fly or raingear. I get the fact that the hammock is shelter but would be hard to shelter under in inclement weather.

I see a machete/kukri and similar "firefighter axe". I would not carry both, probably not either for that matter.

The survival seed vault is an interesting choice. Not something I've thought of for a bug out situation.

The Proknot thing is flash cards on how to tie knots. Probably better to learn tie knots before hand than have to learn on the run. On the other hand a set of knot tying or survival playing cards would be handy if for nothing other than recreation.

Climbing ropes aren't cheap but do you really need a climbing rope? The 60 meters (197 feet) of rope specified weighs about 8 lbs.

The radio seems to be a bit big. Personally I use a small mutilband shortwave radio with solar rechargeable batteries as an emergency radio. One of my packs has a small mulitband two way ham radio in it.

The MTM dry box, though relatively small, seems a bit overboard in terms of weight. A plastic bag is probably good instead.

Nothing to carry water in other than a small cook pot but no stove of any kind.