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snerd
05-20-2012, 08:54
No one was going to pass the other writing part, so let's just lower the passing number and all is well.
The results came days after the Florida State Board of Education voted to lower the standards needed to pass the writing part of the test, known as FCAT. The test is administered in public elementary, middle and high schools.

The board took the action in an emergency meeting when preliminary results indicated only about one-third of Florida students would have passed this year.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/05/half_of_florida_students_fail_reading_test.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz1vQDIf3X2

aircarver
05-20-2012, 09:10
That'll work great when the 'educational system' kicks them out into 'the real world' and they aren't employable for anything.... but still vote ......:frown:

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Gun Shark
05-20-2012, 09:29
Great things about the northeast(at least where I was before Florida);
Seasons
Education System
Sense of Community

Here in South Florida we get none of those things. I honestly think I am dumber because we moved to Florida from NJ. Everything here is use a calculator, or for an English class, copy and paste just cite your sources and use some of your own words.

I am not saying that there aren't great teachers in both places, but I have noticed the whole mentality here is get students out of school and into the workforce or college, not get students out of school and productive.

I have had to relearn some key things in math because I was forced to use a calculator instead of thinking about the answer, until college when for the placement test... no calculator may be used.

/rant

snerd
05-20-2012, 10:30
My wife teaches at the local university. Introduction to Teaching and Remedial Reading. 25% of students wanting to teach can't read or write coherently! It's not just Florida, it's the entire nation under the public school system. I do get some consolation, as I help her administer the SAT and ACT tests once a month. Some fine, sharp kids come through at these.

Cavalry Doc
05-20-2012, 10:36
Makes picking a jury for Zimmerman a bit more interesting.

aircarver
05-20-2012, 11:21
Need 12 to convict...

1 to hang the jury ....

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Guss
05-20-2012, 14:12
Florida's Republican legislature prides itself on how little it spends on education. Florida is among the lowest of states in expenditure per student.

Cavalry Doc
05-20-2012, 14:49
Florida's Republican legislature prides itself on how little it spends on education. Florida is among the lowest of states in expenditure per student.

Spending per student is not the cause. We had a better education system in the past, even adjusted for inflation with lower cost/student ratios.

coastal4974
05-20-2012, 16:31
Waiting for Superman

barbedwiresmile
05-21-2012, 01:51
Obviously Florida needs to spend more money....





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mt920
05-21-2012, 15:21
Obviously Florida needs to spend more money...

not really... They can always stand the course and do nothing...

jeanderson
05-21-2012, 15:25
Close friend, a teacher, just moved to South Florida from Ohio and took a position to teach 5th grade there. Quit after one month. The kids were completely unruly and zero interest in school. Most, not all, will end up a bunch of losers.

barbedwiresmile
05-21-2012, 18:54
not really... They can always stand the course and do nothing...

So the choices are to pour more money into a proven failure or do nothing? You must work for the union?

G29Reload
05-21-2012, 20:37
There is something about FL.

I'm from the NE. I had a chance to take a mid life retirement for about a year, and I chose Tampa.

Let me tell you…if you're not lazy when you move there…you will be by the time you leave.

Always sunny. Warm..hot. Too nice to work today!
Being there for a break was great so no complaints.

But as that period of my life started to wrap up…I started to look for work again. I ended up moving back to VA.

FL is just a place to goof off. It WILL make you lazy and relaxed, adopt a "Manana" attitude.

Hot.

Sunny, breezy.

time to go to the beach. ride a bike. Fish. Drink beer. Waterski. Party. Then a nice nap.

School? That sounds so….INSIDE!

Brucev
05-22-2012, 06:09
Spending per student is not the cause. We had a better education system in the past, even adjusted for inflation with lower cost/student ratios.

One of the greatest problems for the educational system is the failure of the home. Simply put, the structure of a functional home life that was the normative experience of the overwhelming majority of earlier generations is the exception for a increasing number of children. They are raised in chaos. The absence of discipline/structure in what now passes for a home is reflected in the classroom by children who act out what the chaos they live in when they are not in school. Teachers are not to blame for the failure of parents. They are not alchemist, supposing to turn lead into gold.

Will more money help? To a degree, yes. Spent on Pre-K and Kindergarten programs, spent on programs targeted at developing skills in language, reading, math, science... spending money will help. There are children who will respond positively. It is proven. The problem is that spending money on public education is anathema to those who place more value on their own particular interest, i.e., not wanting to pay property/school tax, desire to strike out at teachers unions, wanting to advantage private schools at the expense of publicly funded education, enmity at public education as a mechanism of social shaping hostile to their own preference, etc.

Cavalry Doc
05-22-2012, 07:41
One of the greatest problems for the educational system is the failure of the home. Simply put, the structure of a functional home life that was the normative experience of the overwhelming majority of earlier generations is the exception for a increasing number of children. They are raised in chaos. The absence of discipline/structure in what now passes for a home is reflected in the classroom by children who act out what the chaos they live in when they are not in school. Teachers are not to blame for the failure of parents. They are not alchemist, supposing to turn lead into gold.

Will more money help? To a degree, yes. Spent on Pre-K and Kindergarten programs, spent on programs targeted at developing skills in language, reading, math, science... spending money will help. There are children who will respond positively. It is proven. The problem is that spending money on public education is anathema to those who place more value on their own particular interest, i.e., not wanting to pay property/school tax, desire to strike out at teachers unions, wanting to advantage private schools at the expense of publicly funded education, enmity at public education as a mechanism of social shaping hostile to their own preference, etc.

It's not the amount, it's how it is spent, and the goals. My kids could read before they started kindergarten. There are plenty of privately run schools that have a much better model.

Brucev
05-22-2012, 09:50
It's not the amount, it's how it is spent, and the goals. My kids could read before they started kindergarten. There are plenty of privately run schools that have a much better model.

Your children benefited from a home where they were early engaged in the learning process. Excellent. If all children attending public school came from such a background, their scholastic experience would be much more positive.

I am very much an advocate of public schools. I am not a fan of massive heavily bureaucratic school systems. As to models, let private schools be required to deal with any student that is enrolled in that school rather than only dealing with students based on the ability of parents to pay and the school being able to reject those students they do not want ... and the results of those private schools will more closely match the results of public schools in that same area where they are required to accept all students without eliminating those they might not want to serve or whose parents do not have good financial resources.

As to cost, there will always be those who complain. For the most part they are like folks who want to drive a Cadillac at a Chevy price, i.e., they want quality but they don't want to pay for it.

eracer
05-22-2012, 10:13
Obviously Florida needs to spend more money...The Florida Lotto (aka tax on poor stupid people) is one of the greatest lies ever perpetrated on the people of Florida. The lotto program was authorized because of the promise of 'Billions of dollars for education,' and in fact, billions of dollars in lottery proceeds have been added to the Department of Education's budget - only to be removed in legislative session to fund other pet projects, like the 'Taj Mahal of the South.

Money in minus money out = SCAM.

I work in schools all the time, and I see teachers having to buy supplies out of their own pockets. On the other hand, I see schools with very expensive large-format printers that stand useless because they didn't budget money for ink.

Brucev
05-22-2012, 10:34
The Florida Lotto (aka tax on poor stupid people) is one of the greatest lies ever perpetrated on the people of Florida. The lotto program was authorized because of the promise of 'Billions of dollars for education,' and in fact, billions of dollars in lottery proceeds have been added to the Department of Education's budget - only to be removed in legislative session to fund other pet projects, like the 'Taj Mahal of the South.

Money in minus money out = SCAM.

I work in schools all the time, and I see teachers having to buy supplies out of their own pockets. On the other hand, I see schools with very expensive large-format printers that stand useless because they didn't budget money for ink.

You will get no disagreement from me regarding lotteries, etc. run by the state to supposedly support education. It is only a way to strip education of legitimate tax support which is siphoned off to fund boondoggles.

As to waste, again I'll not disagree. I have worked with teachers in the local classroom to provide needed supplies, etc. I've had one instance in which school books were not being issued to the students supposedly due to the cost, etc. A trip was made to the state senate. Within ten days, the local boe and super. were compliant with state law. Very cool. Apparently they found the money even if some vocal locals complained about school/property tax rates. It was no hard to understand that the objections of those who so loudly complained only thinly veiled plain Jane dislike for poor people.

coastal4974
05-22-2012, 15:49
Your children benefited from a home where they were early engaged in the learning process. Excellent. If all children attending public school came from such a background, their scholastic experience would be much more positive.

I am very much an advocate of public schools. I am not a fan of massive heavily bureaucratic school systems. As to models, let private schools be required to deal with any student that is enrolled in that school rather than only dealing with students based on the ability of parents to pay and the school being able to reject those students they do not want ... and the results of those private schools will more closely match the results of public schools in that same area where they are required to accept all students without eliminating those they might not want to serve or whose parents do not have good financial resources.

As to cost, there will always be those who complain. For the most part they are like folks who want to drive a Cadillac at a Chevy price, i.e., they want quality but they don't want to pay for it.



Once you start telling a private business how to run their business, it's no longer a private business.

If kids and parents don't really care about education, tax payers should not have pay the price of a substandard education system for the country. If parents with special needs kids want them educated, they need to pay what it costs and stop expecting their neighbors to pay for them to drag down the entire system.

Of course that's exactly what the NEA goal is, a substandard education system. Our education system can be far better if the gubmint would get out of the way rather than getting more involved.

Watch Waiting for Superman.

wjv
05-22-2012, 16:13
i dunt understood whaat u rote??

Brucev
05-22-2012, 19:08
[QUOTE=coastal4974;18998860]Once you start telling a private business how to run their business, it's no longer a private business. No. A private business operated with the structure of and is subject to the rules/laws of society. No business is free to do as it pleases any more than any citizen is free to do as they please. Business has to adapt itself to reality. And reality is that society makes the rules.

If kids and parents don't really care about education, tax payers should not have pay the price of a substandard education system for the country. If parents with special needs kids want them educated, they need to pay what it costs and stop expecting their neighbors to pay for them to drag down the entire system. Taxpayers pay the cost of the educational system. That is as it should be. It is a vast improvement over the primitive concept that only those children should have access to education whose parents can pay the cost, that parents should buy the books, etc. for their children, etc. Of course some complain. That is nothing new. They are the same sort who whine about the policemen taking cars home, nurses actually expecting to be paid a professional salary, etc. Such people are like gnats. You just fan them away.

Of course that's exactly what the NEA goal is, a substandard education system. Our education system can be far better if the gubmint would get out of the way rather than getting more involved. If left to themselves, most local govts. will do as little as they possibly can. They will try satisfy those who complain about the cost of property/school taxes, etc. because they will want to be re-elected. State standards enforced regardless of whether or not the local board likes those standards are absolutely necessary.

Watch Waiting for Superman. If someone actually wants to improve the educational process in public schools, it cannot be done sitting on the couch watching T.V. One has to get up off the couch and get involved. Anything else is just an empty excuse amounting to smoke in the wind.

concretefuzzynuts
05-22-2012, 19:45
Makes picking a jury for Zimmerman a bit more interesting.

Could't he choose trial by judge only? Seems safer... maybe. In this case perhaps one judge as opposed to a jury of his "peers"?