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tag_heuer
05-22-2012, 21:28
Im flip floppin between the Ruger LCP and the Sig P238. I was wondering if anyone had any insight or experience between the two. Im looking to carry it as a back up weapon. Pro v. Cons any info would help in the decision.

Clusterfrack
05-22-2012, 21:33
I shot an LCP and bought the p238. The LCP is fine for what it is, but I vastly prefer the 238. I can make good hits at 25 yards, and have clocked a 3.03s all A zone Bill Drill from concealment. I even took 3rd place at a bowling pin shoot with it just for kicks.

The LCP is smaller but sacrifices too much accuracy and speed for me.

AngryPanda
05-22-2012, 23:00
Night and day. LCP is a great little pocket gun don't get me wrong, but the 238 can do anything the LCP can and more.

The only "con" I can think of is some people can't wrap their heads around cocked and locked carry and for some reason feel safer with a DAO gun:dunno:

Oh, 238 mags are apparently made of gold, they go about 50 bucks. I'm told Colt Mustang mags work, and they do indeed fit but I have not had the chance to actually fire with a mustang mag.

AK_Stick
05-22-2012, 23:05
I find the recoil of the LCP to be painful.


I regularly shoot 44mags-10mm and 357 mag hot loads, yet I can't fire a full mag out of the LCP without flinching.

Clusterfrack
05-22-2012, 23:48
And, the p238 can handle Buffalo Bore +p 100gr lead hard cast. I chrono them at 1050fps out of my gun.

DairyFresh
05-23-2012, 00:26
The p238 is the first carry gun I have carried EVERYDAY. I prefer pocket carry, and it's like a baby 1911. Perfection IMHO. Very cool too.

wrencher
05-23-2012, 09:27
I have an LCP I carry in a pocket in the summertime. Friend has the SIG, I've shot it quite a bit.
The SIG is more gun, better trigger, better sights, better shooter.
It's also bigger, bigger enough that it doesn't work as a pocket carry for me.
My LCP has been very reliable with everything I've shot through it, as long as it's brass cased.
I'm keeping the LCP, have no use for the SIG.
If I was going to carry the SIG on my belt, I'd carry a bigger gun in a better caliber.

2@low8
05-23-2012, 14:57
Night and day. LCP is a great little pocket gun don't get me wrong, but the 238 can do anything the LCP can and more.

The only "con" I can think of is some people can't wrap their heads around cocked and locked carry and for some reason feel safer with a DAO gun:dunno:

Oh, 238 mags are apparently made of gold, they go about 50 bucks. I'm told Colt Mustang mags work, and they do indeed fit but I have not had the chance to actually fire with a mustang mag.

Colt magazines do in fact work. I have one and it works flawlessly. If you have an Academy sports anywhere near you , they often carry the 7 shot with finger extension mags for the 238 for about $39.

uhlawpup
05-24-2012, 12:24
I had the LCP predecessor, the Kel-Tec P3AT, and ditched it when I got my P238. I just got the new Sig finger extension mags for my 238, and like it even more. It is so much more reliable and easy to use.

ithaca_deerslayer
05-24-2012, 12:50
Im flip floppin between the Ruger LCP and the Sig P238. I was wondering if anyone had any insight or experience between the two. Im looking to carry it as a back up weapon. Pro v. Cons any info would help in the decision.

You are going to see people who have favorites. That's nice :)

The real question is what are you looking for?

One of the first considerations for me and my carry guns is whether it has an active safety (like a thumb safety) or not. I prefer to just draw and shoot without having to flip or push anthing other than the trigger, so I prefer no thumb safety.

Maybe other questions are more important, but that thumb safety question is one of the first things I want to know about a gun :)

MississipVol
05-24-2012, 13:00
If you are comfortable carrying "cocked and locked" then I think it would be the Sig hands down.

tag_heuer
05-25-2012, 00:11
I'm not really concerned about the safety. I'll carry it as my backup weapon. I cant decide and was hoping for in put from those who carry either of the two weapons. I did fire the lcp and loved the gun minus the long trigger pull

ViennaGambit
05-25-2012, 00:30
They are two totally different beasts and the Sig is twice the price! Definitely not an apples to apples comparison.

I dont consider the Sig a pocket gun as carrying it cocked and locked in a pocket just seems like a snag waiting to happen, plus it seems as though you would always need a holster for it...

The Sig is also a decent amount heavier which does aid in the recoil and make it much more shootable.

If I was going to carry a gun that heavy, I would just stick to a J Frame, and that means I woul dprobably just wind up carrying my G26...

The Sig seems to be too big (and yes I have handled and shot it) to take advantage of the small pocket gun category - we carry .380 when we cant make anything else work or as a backup - get the smallest and lightest possible, p3at or lcp. Otherwise, just make the 642 or G26 work...

TxGlock9
05-25-2012, 01:01
For me I would use the P238 as a backup gun. That's just me.

AngryPanda
05-25-2012, 01:08
I am really having a hard time wrapping my head around the posts that say the 238 is to big and heavy, but to each their own I guess.

Nakanokalronin
05-25-2012, 02:06
I've owned 2 P3ATs, shot an LCP quite a bit and have a P238 as the pocket carry option in my line up. I find the P238 to have less recoil, a better trigger, better sights, better grips/options and an all around better feel. I carry it in my front right pocket in a D.M. Bullard holster. Ammo right now is Hornady CD but I'll probably just go with ball once they run out. Not a single malfunction since I bought it.

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ithaca_deerslayer
05-25-2012, 05:02
I'm not really concerned about the safety. I'll carry it as my backup weapon. I cant decide and was hoping for in put from those who carry either of the two weapons. I did fire the lcp and loved the gun minus the long trigger pull

My LCP worked fine with FMJ, but wide mouth hollow points got hung up so I got a stronger Wolff recoil spring, and switched to Hornady Critical Defense for it (red plastic pointy tip). Now I consider it 100% reliable, and added it to the carry rotation.

My wife also carries it sometimes. It has been reliable for her, too, but she doesn't like to shoot it much because of the harsh recoil. Of course she still practises with it, but she doesn't like it.

However, nobody complains about how easy it is to carry :) Pretty sure the LCP is among the best in that respect, for light and thin and no snag, yet still quite shootable and reliable.

glock2740
05-25-2012, 05:37
I have an LCP I carry in a pocket in the summertime. Friend has the SIG, I've shot it quite a bit.
The SIG is more gun, better trigger, better sights, better shooter.
It's also bigger, bigger enough that it doesn't work as a pocket carry for me.
My LCP has been very reliable with everything I've shot through it, as long as it's brass cased.
I'm keeping the LCP, have no use for the SIG.
If I was going to carry the SIG on my belt, I'd carry a bigger gun in a better caliber.
:agree: While the Sig is a nice .380, it is bigger than the LCP and I would not carry it in my pocket. For the money, the LCP wins hands down between the two IMO, as the LCP is better at being what the two are designed for. Pocket carry and being a BUG. I personally would NEVER carry a .380 on my hip, as I have way too many bigger and better options.

ak103k
05-25-2012, 06:11
I had both, I still have the LCP.

My P238 was one of the less than reliable ones, and never did work right. It constantly jammed, and chewed up brass. I figured it was just being true to form for a 1911 "copy", especially one smaller than a Commander. I know the P238 isnt a true 1911 copy, but it seemed fitting. After about a month of fiddling and 700 rounds wasted, I decided to cut my losses (even though I still took a pretty good one), and traded the P238 off on a 26.

I bought the LCP about a week after I got the P238. It ran fine from the first round, and has never missed a beat. Its OK, but I really dont see it doing anything better than my Seecamps, so it doesnt get out much.

As far as shooting goes, when the P238 would shoot, it was the more accurate of the two from a "target" shooting stand point, shooting groups at bullseye targets. When shot realistically in the manner the guns are likely to be used, theres really little difference. Sights on these type guns are kind of pointless, and really unnecessary. These are both second or third line back up guns, and meant to be used in that capacity, or at least for me they are.

The P238 was one of the softest shooting .380's Ive shot, but the LCP isnt bad either. Im not sure I understand the comments about them being harsh to shoot. They arent. They are a little skinny and somewhat slippery as they come, and do benefit greatly from a little stippling.

One thing that really bugged me about the P238 was the safety. Its not that is wasnt functional, it was, and seemed pretty stiff, so it likely wasnt getting knocked off easily. What annoyed me was, it was "loud" when swept off. By loud, I mean M14 or AK loud. There was no getting it off discreetly. I personally would probably just carried it hammer down on a loaded chamber and thumb cocked it if had kept it. ts basically the same time and motion, and cocking the hammer was a lot quieter.

If I were to be looking at the P238 again for some reason, the only way Id get one, is if I could shoot it first to know it worked. After what I went through with mine, Im a little skiddish of them. I was always a big SIG fan, and never having any troubles with the number of others I owned, expected a lot more from it. Its the only SIG I ever had trouble with.

ithaca_deerslayer
05-25-2012, 06:56
The P238 was one of the softest shooting .380's Ive shot, but the LCP isnt bad either. Im not sure I understand the comments about them being harsh to shoot. They arent. They are a little skinny and somewhat slippery as they come, and do benefit greatly from a little stippling.


The OP seems to have tried an LCP and liked it from what I gather, so the recoil must not be bad to him.

The recoil doesn't bother me on it, but when compared to other larger guns, it is a bit harsh. Not as bad as my PPK, which I would say is snotty :rofl:

Where the recoil issue really matters is with those it bothers. Has to do with differences in experience, hand fit, technique, what you are used to, a person's physical demensions and strength, and all sorts of such things, maybe even gender. Lots of people don't like the LCP recoil. Lots of women don't like it.

So while you or I might not mind it much at all, we can't assume that our wives will enjoy shooting it :) Mine actually prefers to shoot her .38 j-frame snubby revolver instead of the LCP.

BLau
05-25-2012, 07:02
Hogue makes a grip that locks into place on the gun and it takes the snap away from the gun. I can shoot all day with it on.

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ithaca_deerslayer
05-25-2012, 07:25
Hogue makes a grip that locks into place on the gun and it takes the snap away from the gun. I can shoot all day with it on.

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What is the specific model you like for your LCP. If I find a link with a pic, I'll show it to my wife and see if she wants to buy one.

Thanks :)

BLau
05-25-2012, 08:14
What is the specific model you like for your LCP. If I find a link with a pic, I'll show it to my wife and see if she wants to buy one.

Thanks :)
http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj516/BLau1976/2012-03-27_16-08-57_338.jpg

Edit: Here's the pic...

I'll find my LCP pic when I get home. The Hogue grip I have came with an extra long frame pin. It locks on to the gun via the butt and the rear frame pin. There are at least two models I am aware of, one for the laser and the other without the laser. I have the latter. The one for the laser has a bump on the grip to accommodate the button on the front of the grip. And if you are wondering about the night sights, look up Innovative Arms. They install the sights, polish the barrel, and refinish the slide for $165.

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ithaca_deerslayer
05-25-2012, 08:42
The Hogue grip I have came with an extra long frame pin. It locks on to the gun via the butt and the rear frame pin. There are at least two models I am aware of, one for the laser and the other without the laser. I have the latter. The one for the laser has a bump on the grip to accommodate the button on the front of the grip. And if you are wondering about the night sights, look up Innovative Arms. They install the sights, polish the barrel, and refinish the slide for $165.


Very cool set up.

ponchsox
05-25-2012, 11:56
The Hogue Hybrid grip plus a Pierce grip extension makes the LCP much more comfortable to shoot and helps to mitigate the felt recoil.

Boot Stomper
05-26-2012, 10:19
To summarize what I'm hearing from the Glock-Talkers here is the Sig is the better shooter and the LCP is the better pocket carry gun.

If I was to holster carry it would be neither of these guns. My G27 would be my first choice. The G27 problem is being too thick for a pocket, especially if you add a pocket holster.

If I wanted a pocket gun it seems the Ruger LCP would win my purchase against the Sig 238. I do not like the LCP's trigger, but training and practice could help solve this issue.

Clusterfrack
05-26-2012, 19:34
Boot--that's my take as well. However, the p238 carries so well IWB that it is still worth considering. There are times when even a G26 is a little hard to conceal but the p238 isn't.

kamonjj
05-26-2012, 19:36
After owning both, I now carry a P238 all summer long. Now that the 938 is out, I'll be getting that when I can get the extreme local at a good price.

I liked the lcp for being a pocket pistol, extremely light weight and compact. Very easy to conceal. I didn't like the long heavy double action trigger pull, lack of sights, and harsh recoil. I never had one problem, no FTF, FTE, nothing. Ran flawless well over 1000 rounds that I had it. Plus at less than 300 bucks, it was definitely a nice fit for me at the time which was trading carry time with my G19RTF2.

I sold the LCP and recently picked up the desert P238. Talk about a night and day difference. Better trigger, better sights, very smooth action, more accurate (for me). I did have to send it back to sig right after I bought it due to very very erratic ejection. They paid, and also offered me 20% off any additional services. I upgraded to the ambi safety. The gun was back in my hands a week to the day that I sent it off. Works flawlessly now. Can't complain one bit.

I have just seen the P938 hit my stores locally. Its only in one store that I called around and it was pretty high priced for the base model in my opinion. So I'll be holding onto my 238 until I can find a model I like better at a more reasonable price. I'm more of a 9mm guy and since the 938 really isn't much bigger at all, I'm going to make the switch.

tag_heuer
05-29-2012, 16:47
Well...after everyone's input i bought a Sig P238 Equinox today. Thanks you to everyone for their two cents. I truly appreciate it.

Clusterfrack
05-29-2012, 18:16
Congrats! Pics?

NeverMore1701
05-29-2012, 23:19
Good choice! I replaced my P3AT with a P238. Sights, trigger, recoil... hell, even looks are worlds better on the Sig. Will be trying out a 938 after they've been out a year or so.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xttkBiJK7NE/TsA6BhLibtI/AAAAAAAAAOg/KQkSl-juykc/s1600/IMG_1822.JPG

tag_heuer
05-30-2012, 17:39
Well....I'd love to post a pic of my new gun, but I have to wait up to 90 days for it to arrive. I'm left handed and there was no ambi versions in stock. So...I must wait. But no regrets.

jonathangalt
05-30-2012, 19:17
i've shot both and own the 238, the 238 is a tad larger but superior in fit and finish...i can shoot it much faster than the lcp and stay on target...not to mention the sights on the 238 destroy the mockery of sights on the lcp...

shoot both and buy what feels best to you...

WarEagle32
05-31-2012, 00:53
You have picked 2 fine, fine pistols here and can't go wrong! I would get the LCP. It's maybe a bit more dependable design and is smaller and lighter. I have nothing bad to say about the 238, but I love my 2 LCP's and would go that route if you are going for a solid deep concealment pistol!