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faawrenchbndr
05-24-2012, 08:20
So what do you guys think?
'Frank changes guns more often than I change underwear!
What will his next be?




I'm thinking Smith & Wesson M&P

BuckyP
05-24-2012, 08:22
:rofl::rofl:


Yeah, maybe M&P Shield... if he could find one.

fnfalman
05-24-2012, 08:30
FNP45 Tactical?

SigFTW
05-24-2012, 08:31
He needs a Sig P220 or a P226, once he get one he will never sell again.

Wait, what am I thinking, it's Frank we're talking about. :tongueout:

Just joking with you Frank :supergrin:

ithaca_deerslayer
05-24-2012, 08:50
A double stack 1911.

Combines the 1911 design, .45ACP power, and high capacity.

Can't miss. It is the wave of the future :)

12131
05-24-2012, 08:52
Whatever he gets next, he should wait at least 4 days before selling it.

byf43
05-24-2012, 08:53
A double stack 1911.

Combines the 1911 design, .45ACP power, and high capacity.

Can't miss. It is the wave of the future :)

Quite possibly a Para. :dunno:

You might have something there, deerslayer!! :thumbsup:

ItsOnlyMoney
05-24-2012, 09:22
Xds. When they come out.

He seems to be stuck on .45 ACP. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

TN.Frank
05-24-2012, 09:51
I know what I'd like for my next gun(keeping the two that I've got by the way), I'd like either a 45acp/45Colt Ruger Blackhawk or a 9x19mm/357Mag Ruger Blackhawk. Not sure about barrel length but either would be fine for woods range deer/hog hunting and great to go out and play around with plinking. Also, I already have dies, bullet mold and stuff to load the 38/357Mag and 45acp so I'd already be able to shoot and reload for them.
Whatever he gets next, he should wait at least 4 days before selling it.

Not sure where that comment came from. I always keep my guns for at least a month before I sell/trade them. LOL
Unless you're talking about the guy that got my ATI in trade, two days and it was up for sale, don't think he even got time to shoot it and ya'll think I'm bad at selling/trading stuff off. Two Days, Gezee.

Zombie Steve
05-24-2012, 10:16
I know what I'd like for my next gun(keeping the two that I've got by the way), I'd like either a 45acp/45Colt Ruger Blackhawk or a 9x19mm/357Mag Ruger Blackhawk. Not sure about barrel length but either would be fine for woods range deer/hog hunting and great to go out and play around with plinking. Also, I already have dies, bullet mold and stuff to load the 38/357Mag and 45acp so I'd already be able to shoot and reload for them.


Having owned a few Blackhawks, I'd say get the .45 Colt / .45 auto convertible with a 4-5/8" barrel.

I have a 5-1/2" barrel .45 Colt now. It's just not as easy to wear and draw. Plus, I think they look cool sitting flush with the ejector rod housing.

Since you reload, you'll enjoy shooting .45 Colt from cowboy action levels (I shoot a 200 grain lrnfp at 780 fps) on up into the "Ruger Only" data in your manuals. My semi-nuclear load is a 250 grain XTP running just shy of 1,200 fps with plenty more room to spare in the data. I have loaded 300 grain bullets up to a thousand fps, but couldn't get the accuracy I had with the 250's. Anyway... a huge range of load possibilities. It may be the perfect gun for handloaders.

My 5-1/2" .45 Colt:

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/DSCF2289.jpg

Here's a 4-5/8" convertible in .357 / .38 / 9mm I bought for the father in law...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/DSCF2174.jpg

Wil Ufgood
05-24-2012, 10:27
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/usa/4/1287746524.jpg

SigFTW
05-24-2012, 10:27
Having owned a few Blackhawks, I'd say get the .45 Colt / .45 auto convertible with a 4-5/8" barrel.


I have to agree. The 45LC/45APC is a fun gun. I shoot the APC more than the LC, and with Ruger you can develop some nice hunting(HOT) loads with the 45LC.
225412

TN.Frank
05-24-2012, 10:46
I've owned a couple Super Blackhawk's in the past, one stainless and one blue steel, both with 7 1/2" bbls, I've owned a couple Vaquaro's(44/40 and 45Colt) and I had a Blackhawk with a 5 1/2" bbl. in 357Mag. I think the 4 5/8" 45Colt/Acp would be a nice gun to get. Lighter weight then the smaller calibers and in a pinch it'd even do well enough for HD use. Still, for hunting a longer bbl. would be nice, maybe a 5 1/2".
I think now that I've got a good DA revolver and a decent Semi-Auto the next handgun on my list should be a single action.

byf43
05-24-2012, 11:12
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/gyrojet-1.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/gyrojet2.jpg

byf43
05-24-2012, 11:14
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/usa/4/1287746524.jpg

Had the chance to buy an Automag in '79.
Shoulda bought it. Didn't reload at the time.


Big mistake. Shoulda done it.

TN.Frank
05-24-2012, 11:20
Had the chance to buy an Automag in '79.
Shoulda bought it. Didn't reload at the time.


Big mistake. Shoulda done it.

Of course you know that you use cut down 308/30-06 brass to make the case for those so it'd be pretty easy to make up ammo for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoMag_(pistol)

G26S239
05-24-2012, 11:23
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/gyrojet-1.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/gyrojet2.jpg

Gyro jet?

PlasticGuy
05-24-2012, 12:00
Frank, props to you for taking this thread in good humor. It's refreshing to see somebody who can still take a joke.

And for my guess, I have to go with with Shield. Too trendy to not be owned for a week or so. :supergrin:

TN.Frank
05-24-2012, 12:02
Frank, props to you for taking this thread in good humor. It's refreshing to see somebody who can still take a joke.
You know what they say, Joke em' if they can't take a.......well, you know. LOL


And for my guess, I have to go with with Shield. Too trendy to not be owned for a week or so. :supergrin:

I think if I were going for a small semi it'd be the XDs in 45acp, got to stay Brand Loyal,LOL.

P.S.
I'm surprised that no one brought up the Dardick and the Tround,LOL

faawrenchbndr
05-24-2012, 12:12
You know I'm just screwin with ya!

Seems to have brought up some cool ideas,.....the Gyro Jet would be cool.
I saw some testing docs on those years ago.

TN.Frank
05-24-2012, 12:17
You know I'm just screwin with ya!
Yep, I know, I've been around this place and put up with enough to know when someone is just messing and when they're actual serious.


Seems to have brought up some cool ideas,.....the Gyro Jet would be cool.
I saw some testing docs on those years ago.

But where would you get ammo for it? It'd be worse then a 7.62x38r Nagant revolver ctg. to find ammo for,LOL.
Really though, I do need to try and find something for my wife to use. Sure, she CAN use the 642 but she'd rather have a longer barrel and I'd like something that'd be her gun because most of the time I'm packin' the 642 as my EDC.
CDNN had some nice looking Taurus 85's with a 3" bbl in Stainless for $289 IIRC. That'd be perfect for her. I really would like her to get her CCW one day soon.

carloglock19
05-24-2012, 12:24
SA 1911 :cool:

byf43
05-24-2012, 13:34
Of course you know that you use cut down 308/30-06 brass to make the case for those so it'd be pretty easy to make up ammo for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoMag_(pistol)

Yup.

Any of that 'class' cartridge will work.
The worst part about loading for the .4295 'boolit' is inside neck reaming, to accept the 'boolit'.

I loaded 20 cartridges for a friend, about 25 years ago.
(He provided the dies and components. I provided the press and loading room.)

Still, I shoulda bought it.



Gyro jet?

Yes.
I've seen one Gyrojet, in person.
It was in a gunshop, in District Heights, MD, in '79.
An Automag was sitting beside it, in the same case!!

Nestor
05-24-2012, 13:41
So what do you guys think?
'Frank changes guns more often than I change underwear!
What will his next be?




I'm thinking Smith & Wesson M&P

I'm thinking that because he's practical, not like the rest of you snobs, he's going to pick up the best pistol in the whole World you idiots...ohhh by the way...it's not your business anyway :rofl:

SDGlock23
05-24-2012, 14:00
The convertible 45 Colt/45 ACP Blackhawks are great, big power and big holes.

thisaway
05-24-2012, 14:21
Hey Frank, if you actually are looking for a ParaOrdnance P14-45, I've got one I'll sell you! And I'm not but an hour or so away, too! :supergrin:

Bruce M
05-24-2012, 15:02
Well I will go ahead and suggest maybe the next one will be Glock 30. It's .45ACP, it's polymer, it's small enough for some to consider as concealable and large enough to do well for a range session.

countrygun
05-24-2012, 15:51
I haven't been around long enough to see more than a couple of his "changes" but I am thinking he is going to run out of .45s to try and my guess will be a Browning Highpower will get him. It's like the 1911, same roots, but in 9mm. this would then open a big door for future trades. Think of how many 9mms there are to trade for,

CBennett
05-24-2012, 15:56
Xds. When they come out.

He seems to be stuck on .45 ACP. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

^ this was my guess since he seems to like the .45 ACP round quite a bit. (as do I)

TxGlock9
05-24-2012, 17:16
According to his new thread. XD 45

ItsOnlyMoney
05-24-2012, 17:16
Xds. When they come out.

He seems to be stuck on .45 ACP. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


I think if I were going for a small semi it'd be the XDs in 45acp, got to stay Brand Loyal,LOL.

So, what do I win? :supergrin:

faawrenchbndr
05-24-2012, 17:40
So, what do I win? :supergrin:

Has he traded for one yet?

ratf51
05-24-2012, 17:54
Frank changes guns more often than I change underwear!

Alright, I just want to know-- what is the infatuation with pants and now underwear? First, Frank is pantless, now faawrench states that he wears underwear for extended periods of time-- so, whats up with that? Huh? :rofl: :rofl: :wavey:

(I thought this was a gun forum...:supergrin:)

bac1023
05-24-2012, 17:57
Whatever he gets next, he should wait at least 4 days before selling it.

:animlol:

Wil Ufgood
05-24-2012, 18:03
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-IBzbM_RoeE/TDVBD46oNII/AAAAAAAAC54/2xHbJ3uU_tM/the-green-hornet-20100621095752871_thumb%5B3%5D.jpg

faawrenchbndr
05-24-2012, 18:04
Alright, I just want to know-- what is the infatuation with pants and now underwear? First, Frank is pantless, now faawrench states that he wears underwear for extended periods of time-- so, whats up with that? Huh? :rofl: :rofl: :wavey:

(I thought this was a gun forum...:supergrin:)

Able this gun talk, and you single in on a pant less comment,
and extended underwear change time?!?

Wasn't Deliverance filmed in Georgia? :dunno:

countrygun
05-24-2012, 18:11
Able this gun talk, and you single in on a pant less comment,
and extended underwear change time?!?

Wasn't Deliverance filmed in Georgia? :dunno:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/Paddlefaster.png

Bruce M
05-24-2012, 18:20
Able this gun talk, and you single in on a pant less comment,
and extended underwear change time?!?

Wasn't Deliverance filmed in Georgia? :dunno::rofl::rofl:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/Paddlefaster.png
:rofl::rofl:

GAFinch
05-24-2012, 18:20
Perhaps he should start making them out of wood, so he can carry one for awhile and see if he likes it. Much cheaper.

Camu Mahubah
05-24-2012, 18:20
Glock 21

ratf51
05-24-2012, 18:26
Able this gun talk, and you single in on a pant less comment,
and extended underwear change time?!?

Wasn't Deliverance filmed in Georgia? :dunno:

Just wanted to focus on the inane for a moment! No offense intended. And yes, Deliverance was filmed here. :supergrin:

glock2740
05-24-2012, 18:34
... a 9x19mm/357Mag Ruger Blackhawk. Not sure about barrel length but either would be fine for woods range deer/hog hunting and great to go out and play around with plinking...
Great choice. I have wanted that same gun for years. As in maybe about 20 years. Can't believe I haven't got one already.

Wil Ufgood
05-24-2012, 18:36
Is this thread sticky material?

faawrenchbndr
05-24-2012, 18:39
Just wanted to focus on the inane for a moment! No offense intended. And yes, Deliverance was filmed here. :supergrin:

No offense taken,............:tongueout:

Berto
05-24-2012, 20:19
He needs a vaporizer like the one on CSI Miami.

TN.Frank
05-24-2012, 20:26
He needs a vaporizer like the one on CSI Miami.

Vaporizer, I don't have any breathing problems, why would I need one of those.:dunno:

Berto
05-24-2012, 20:34
Vaporizer, I don't have any breathing problems, why would I need one of those.:dunno:

Worst case, you don't like it, you can trade for a pistol and start a thread on it.:dunno:

ctfireman
05-24-2012, 20:47
Wait.........he bought a gun finally?

TN.Frank
05-24-2012, 21:14
Wait.........he bought a gun finally?

You really need to get out of that cave you live in more. I got a Glock G26 LAST Feb., since then it "magically" turned into a Beretta 92F Compact, which turned into a PX4 Storm which then turned into a S&W 642 which may turn into an XD Sub-Compact if I can find one in 9x19mm. Of course I did also pick up an ATI 1911 but the strangest thing happened, it somehow turned into a Springfield XD45, go figure,LOL

Wil Ufgood
05-24-2012, 21:18
You really need to get out of that cave you live in more. I got a Glock G26 LAST Feb., since then it "magically" turned into a Beretta 92F Compact, which turned into a PX4 Storm which then turned into a S&W 642 which may turn into an XD Sub-Compact if I can find one in 9x19mm. Of course I did also pick up an ATI 1911 but the strangest thing happened, it somehow turned into a Springfield XD45, go figure,LOL
http://i48.tinypic.com/24zksxj.gif

faawrenchbndr
05-24-2012, 21:20
Worst case, you don't like it, you can trade for a pistol and start a thread on it.:dunno:

:whistling:

byf43
05-25-2012, 05:45
Is this thread sticky material?

Um............... is that a reference to the pants and underwear statement??



















:rofl:

faawrenchbndr
05-25-2012, 06:10
:rofl:

ctfireman
05-25-2012, 08:56
You really need to get out of that cave you live in more. I got a Glock G26 LAST Feb., since then it "magically" turned into a Beretta 92F Compact, which turned into a PX4 Storm which then turned into a S&W 642 which may turn into an XD Sub-Compact if I can find one in 9x19mm. Of course I did also pick up an ATI 1911 but the strangest thing happened, it somehow turned into a Springfield XD45, go figure,LOL


I know, i was JK. Hopefully you like the XD, it's a great choice!

SigFTW
05-25-2012, 08:57
Y'all are crazy!!! that's why I like this forum.:tease:

TN.Frank
05-25-2012, 10:43
Just sold the 642, made $25 bucks on the deal. Looking at a Walther PK380 that a guy has locally. Comes with a laser(which I don't want) he's asking $375, I e-mailed to see what he'd take for it without the laser, hopefully around $275 since Bud's has em' new for $340. Guess we'll wait and see.

byf43
05-25-2012, 10:48
Just sold the 642, made $25 bucks on the deal. Looking at a Walther PK380 that a guy has locally. Comes with a laser(which I don't want) he's asking $375, I e-mailed to see what he'd take for it without the laser, hopefully around $275 since Bud's has em' new for $340. Guess we'll wait and see.


:faint:


I wouldn't have made that deal.

I woulda kept the 642 until the devil's house froze over.

Looks like you took two steps backwards, caliber-wise.

BuckyP
05-25-2012, 11:21
I could have sworn I saw an "I'll never get rid of the 642" in one of his threads. :dunno:

Too hard to keep up with this. :rollingeyes:

Wil Ufgood
05-25-2012, 11:22
Frank, I have a full house Novak custom Hi-Power.

Talk to me, watcha got?

countrygun
05-25-2012, 11:32
Frank, if you ever decide you can't live without an "N" frame S&W call me two days after you scratch that itch. I've got a Taurus 24/7 DS C in .45 that will put you back on the right path.

TN.Frank
05-25-2012, 12:59
You know, I was going to post this pic:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/838/pk380.jpg
of the PK380 I picked up but I don't even think I'll bother talking to you guys about guns anymore. Never mind the fact that because of this deal I was able to give my wife $100 cash to use to pay some bills. Sold the 642, made $25 on it, bought this with a box of ammo for $300 and had $100 left over to give my wife, I think it all worked out pretty well IMHO.
At least maybe I'll be able to hit something with the PK380, couldn't hit a barn from the inside with the 642. Great, light weight carry gun, couldn' hit $#it with it, what good is a gun if you can't hit what you aim at with it?
Also, this gun still fits into a pocket and with a cheap IWB holster should pack just as well as the 642 did.

byf43
05-25-2012, 13:13
"Whatever gets you through the night, is fine by me."



Just for kicks and grins, here's my Ladysmith mdl 60, that I paid $295.00 for, at a Friends of The NRA Banquet, several years ago.
It was a "Gun of the Year", and the original winner, turned around and put it up for auction, the same night, unfired (except at the factory).
It's NOT for sale. Not even for $1,000.00 (been offered that, too.)

Number 197 of 300 made.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/Mdl60Ladysmith197of300rightside.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/Mdl60Ladysmith197of300leftside.jpg

BuckyP
05-25-2012, 13:18
but I don't even think I'll bother talking to you guys about guns anymore.

Promises, promises... :tongueout:








J/K, better to have something you can shoot well. :thumbsup:

TN.Frank
05-25-2012, 13:23
Promises, promises... :tongueout:

J/K, better to have something you can shoot well. :thumbsup:

Yaah, you bunch of saps ain't getting off that easy,LOL.

Nestor
05-25-2012, 13:41
You sure are the great pretender Frank. If You really want to help your wife with the budget, sell everything, get yourself S&W M10 from budsgunshop.com for $269 that You can use as HD and carry tool and find a job. Bunch of guys making fun of you on the internet forum isn't your greatest problem now. Spending cash on the stupid deals and ammo when not working is. You are your own worst enemy here.

TN.Frank
05-25-2012, 13:59
find a job.

What the hell you think I've been doing for the last 2.5 years you moron!!. I've applied just about any and every place you can imagine with ZERO response. Please, just don't post to my threads anymore since you simply can find anything to say to me but some smartazz remark.

Glockdude1
05-25-2012, 14:05
S&W model 53 .22 rem jet pistol.

:cool:

Nestor
05-25-2012, 14:09
Patting on the shoulder would be nicer...I know. That's probably the reason why You are here at the first place.
However since You have no problem with being painfully critical toward your internet buddies, I see no reason to lie to You either.
You know, maybe it would be easier for You to find a job when You wouldn't be so busy selling/buying the guns and hanging out on the internet forums...who knows?
I had no job for over 2 years at one stage and one of the first things I did was to sell whatever I could and cut off the internet.
I was using net at the local library...available for free.
With 33% of the official unemployment at that time in Poland.
So much for smart ass comments.
As for the name calling, I get used to this stuff coming from You my dear. No need to pretend that You don't know what I'm talking about. Good luck anyway.

Wil Ufgood
05-25-2012, 14:47
"Whatever gets you through the night, is fine by me."



Just for kicks and grins, here's my Ladysmith mdl 60, that I paid $295.00 for, at a Friends of The NRA Banquet, several years ago.
It was a "Gun of the Year", and the original winner, turned around and put it up for auction, the same night, unfired (except at the factory).
It's NOT for sale. Not even for $1,000.00 (been offered that, too.)

Number 197 of 300 made.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/Mdl60Ladysmith197of300rightside.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/Mdl60Ladysmith197of300leftside.jpg


Nice S&W:supergrin:

Gregg702
05-25-2012, 15:05
You couldn't trade me 3 PK380's for any one of my J-Frames.

2740dmx
05-25-2012, 15:23
I don't trade nearly as much as Tn Frank...

but...

I can only ever afford to keep two guns at a time.

I usually end up trading them...right about the time that I get two holsters broke in, got all the kinks worked out, and got really accurate shooting them! :embarassed:

I sold off a S&W 66-5 snubbie a few months ago.....
in order to get a G26 Gen4!

I have a S&W 340 M&P, but would like to hang onto that, because it carries so well....(wait, didn't Frank say that about his 642?)

Now that my G26 is all broken in, got nice sights on it..and I have nice leather for it, I am wanting to sell the whole package in order to finance a Ruger Sheriff's 44 spec!

I just cannot afford to buy guns, so have to sell one to get one, and I get obsessed over certain guns...and have to have them!

I lose money on the deals (you always do!) but don't care, because I get to try out alot of nice guns....

So TnFrank...don't let them talk smack to you!
All of us poor boys have to keep selling to feed our obsessions!

TN.Frank
05-25-2012, 15:37
me.
I have a S&W 340 M&P, but would like to hang onto that, because it carries so well....(wait, didn't Frank say that about his 642?)
Yes and I'd have kept it if I could have hit $#it with it but dang thing was hard to keep on an 8"x12" piece of paper at 7 yards.


I lose money on the deals (you always do!) but don't care, because I get to try out a lot of nice guns....
I've not lost a dime on any of the deals I've made since I got back into owning a gun last year and I've actually made more then a few bucks.


So TnFrank...don't let them talk smack to you!
All of us poor boys have to keep selling to feed our obsessions!
Don't mind the "smack talk" but I do mind when folks presume to know me and what I'm doing when in reality they don't have a foggy clue about me. Like certain folks saying I need to find a job, I've been looking for a job, I want a job but there's just nothing out there right now. It's not like I'm sitting around with my thumb up my ***, I'm looking for work, put in for a job at the local Hospital this just morning online. It's not like I can force them to give me a job, all I can do is apply and the rest if up to them.

Wil Ufgood
05-25-2012, 15:48
Yes and I'd have kept it if I could have hit $#it with it but dang thing was hard to keep on an 8"x12" piece of paper at 7 yards.


I've not lost a dime on any of the deals I've made since I got back into owning a gun last year and I've actually made more then a few bucks.


Don't mind the "smack talk" but I do mind when folks presume to know me and what I'm doing when in reality they don't have a foggy clue about me. Like certain folks saying I need to find a job, I've been looking for a job, I want a job but there's just nothing out there right now. It's not like I'm sitting around with my thumb up my ***, I'm looking for work, put in for a job at the local Hospital this just morning online. It's not like I can force them to give me a job, all I can do is apply and the rest if up to them.

Hey Frank, you seem like a handy guy. How about doing odd jobs in your area? Decks, drywall, etc. I know lots of guys who make a pretty good living that way.

TN.Frank
05-25-2012, 15:57
Hey Frank, you seem like a handy guy. How about doing odd jobs in your area? Decks, drywall, etc. I know lots of guys who make a pretty good living that way.

This area is covered up with out of work or under worked construction guys. In fact the guy I bought the PK380 from this morning works construction and said he'd not had steady work in a few years.
Most of what we have here in Medical work, Sales work or very physical labor and at 51 years old I've done my share and messed myself up enough doing that crap.
Heck, when I was helping my buddy Steve install carpet a year or so back it was all I could do to help him. Don't think I could have hacked it doing it day after day. I've not nor have I ever been a very physical guy. I think it has something to do with the radiation my birth mom was undergoing while she was carrying me. She was dying of breast cancer but God bless her soul, she wouldn't have an abortion so they could do chemo on her. She died 9 days after I was born, I never knew her but I've always felt in her debt for giving her life for mine.
I also put in at the local K-Mart last week for a Customer Service job, not heard a peep from em'. That's my luck, I put in for job after job but I never hear anything back. I'll just be glad when our house gets bought out by the State for the new road that's coming through so we can move to Cookeville. Lots more jobs there then here in Crossville.

Ruble Noon
05-25-2012, 16:07
Raven .25 auto.


Did I win?

carbuncle
05-25-2012, 16:08
So what do you guys think?
'Frank changes guns more often than I change underwear!
What will his next be?




I'm thinking Smith & Wesson M&P

Caracal, the gun that henever knew he always wanted.

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Nestor
05-25-2012, 16:18
Talking common sense to You Frank is pointless. You are seeing yourself as a victim and in the same time You sure kicking around pretty hard.
You think that we have no clue who You are after so many years of posting? Whatever man...You sure didn't make too many friends around here lately with your BS comments, but I don't think that there is even a single person that hates You here. I've told you already, who actually your greatest enemy is those days. If that is pissing you off...again, whatever. Man should value his own words.
Who said that on May 18th this year?

After owning about ever cartridge and caliber you can think of I've finally narrowed it down to two(or three depending on how you look at it). 38spl/357Mag for Revolvers and 45acp for semis. Those are the ones I'm sticking with, if a handgun isn't chambered in one of those I'll not even bother looking at it.

Or this on May 22nd?

5+1 isn't a lot of ammo on tap but for an EDC/CCW it'd be as good as my 642, not that I'm getting rid of the 642 anytime soon, my wife likes revolvers so if anything that'd be her gun if I did get something else for EDC/CCW.

Just to remind You. It's May 25th today.
You can be mad with me for trying to talk common sense here, but if You have no respect for your own words, how we suppose to treat You seriously here?
Now, again, good luck in your adventures.
It's not that difficult to see where are You heading with this...

NMOFT
05-25-2012, 17:14
Hey Frank,
If you’re willing to relocate to west Texas and get a CDL with Haz-Mat endorsement you could be making $90K/year. Even without the CDL there’s plenty of jobs to be had that pay pretty good. Just sayin.

Gregg702
05-25-2012, 17:29
Talking common sense to You Frank is pointless. You are seeing yourself as a victim and in the same time You sure kicking around pretty hard.
You think that we have no clue who You are after so many years of posting? Whatever man...You sure didn't make too many friends around here lately with your BS comments, but I don't think that there is even a single person that hates You here. I've told you already, who actually your greatest enemy is those days. If that is pissing you off...again, whatever. Man should value his own words.
Who said that on May 18th this year?



Or this on May 22nd?



Just to remind You. It's May 25th today.
You can be mad for me talking common sense to You and trying to look for any value behind your own words, but if You don't respect what you saying, don't expect us to do so.
Now, again, good luck in your adventures.
It's not that difficult to see where are You heading with this...

Stupid internet, always remembering what people say....

Seriously, I like Frank, I just think he likes getting new guns, and doesn't have the cash to do so. He is also the type of person to champion whatever his flavor du jour happens to be. That said, I am suprised he dumped his 642 for a .380 Walther.

ithaca_deerslayer
05-25-2012, 20:26
Just sold the 642, made $25 bucks on the deal. Looking at a Walther PK380 that a guy has locally. Comes with a laser(which I don't want) he's asking $375, I e-mailed to see what he'd take for it without the laser, hopefully around $275 since Bud's has em' new for $340. Guess we'll wait and see.

Oh no! Not the 642.

I love my 642.

ithaca_deerslayer
05-25-2012, 20:42
Talking common sense to You Frank is pointless. You are seeing yourself as a victim and in the same time You sure kicking around pretty hard.
You think that we have no clue who You are after so many years of posting? Whatever man...

Nestor, I like you and your story. I even like your new country. But you are coming down a bit hard on Frank. I'm not sure it is fair to kick him about unemployment, even if you yourself had once been unemployed for a couple years.

Frank, you've got a right to buy and sell as many guns as you want. However you get your money or make your deals is your business. Our business is more about the guns you buy and why you buy them.

Now I've got to give you crap about not being able to shoot a j frame. Come on, man, you're old enough to know how to shoot a revolver :rofl:

Nestor
05-25-2012, 20:55
You see...Frank had no problem with coming down hard on the people who supported him over the years just because he bought a bit cheaper 1911 that the rest of us had at that particular moment in time on 1911 forum. He also had no problem with coming down hard on the people who owned the semi-autos once he acquired his S&W revolver. He generally speaking has no problem with going down hard on the people if You follow his track on this forum. The excessive increase of anything causes a reaction in opposite direction as Plato said. That is the life...

FLIPPER 348
05-25-2012, 20:58
Just sold the 642, made $25 bucks on the deal. Looking at a Walther PK380 that a guy has locally.



fantastic!!!


the 642 is a better gun than the Walther in every respect.


But that's ok because Frank reloads .38/.357 so it's all goo......... , oh wait

FLIPPER 348
05-25-2012, 21:03
. Never mind the fact that because of this deal I was able to give my wife $100 cash to use to pay some bills.



Frank, dude. I've read your posts as they are entertaining. You are living paycheck to paycheck with no room for error (emergency).


Stop dealing firearms, buying ammo ect, ....even though you think you are coming out ahead with every transaction. Put a few $1000 in the bank no matter what it takes. Then (and only then) start your gun habit.

ithaca_deerslayer
05-25-2012, 21:21
You see...Frank had no problem with coming down hard on the people who supported him over the years just because he bought a bit cheaper 1911 that the rest of us had at that particular moment in time on 1911 forum. He also had no problem with coming down hard on the people who owned the semi-autos once he acquired his S&W revolver. He generally speaking has no problem with going down hard on the people if You follow his track on this forum. The excessive increase of anything causes a reaction in opposite direction as Plato said. That is the life...

Yes, I know, but those are gun issues. About what to spend on a gun, or not to spend on a gun. Or being an idiot for buying brand X instead brand Z.

That's all fair game. And his gun choices are fair game. Even quoting his opinions on certain guns, to show how he didn't stick with what he said, that is fair game.

But unless a guy starts a thread asking for help with unemployment issues and decisions, that sort of subject seems taboo to me. Maybe I'm just old fashioned that way.

Frank's source of money is personal. Bac's source of money is personal. How much (if anything) Eric makes on this website is personal.

Doesn't mean I'm right about this. I'm just giving my opinion. Not sure if it was how I was raised, or if it is something more broadly cultural about it. For me, personal finances is not something generally discussed unless the other person is asking for opinions or discussion on that.

Nestor
05-25-2012, 22:08
Can You remember him questioning the people's common sense and spending habits on 1911 subforum not so long ago?
Only because he went cheap and some of us didn't?
I can.
A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the sweet lies you can invent.
This is my fault. I agree.
I guess that the part where he pretends to help his wife by trading yet another gun (that suppose to be her which is another BS all together) was just too much for me. Level of BS was way too high there.
Especially after (as mentioned above) he did put in question other people's intelligence and spending habits and felt very good about himself in this context.
Let's be clear here.
It wasn't me who made all the details of his difficult situation public.
Not long ago he was posting about his life and how though it is to live from paycheck to paycheck. I can remember him saying about his opinion on relocation in terms of the job prospects. Negative opinion to be clear at that. I can also remember that the people here were offering him the once fired brass with paid shipping to help with cutting down on the cost of his hobby...just to find that he sold the gun in question already. That was cool because everyone felt sorry for him. You can see the very same sentiment in this thread. His reverse snobism was so freaking cool...or at least he believed in that. He made all those details public. Again - that wasn't me who posted all that personal info. I felt sorry for him as well. No doubt about it. He made no taboo out of his own misfortune and now he's acting like a mad man because I'm talking some very basic common sense which is basing on the very same posts he made here earlier. Entertainment aside. We are also the adults here...at times at least. Parents and spouses. Husbands and wives. No-one is questioning his rights. Never did. Yes, it's true that I'm coming from the different culture and it shows. Adult deserves honesty even if it hurts. Learning to accept responsibility for your own actions is quite important part of being the adult in my culture. If You are trying to BS the public for so long better be ready for some honest feedback at times. If You are not ready to deal with such feedback than stop posting all the details about your life. That's it.

ithaca_deerslayer
05-26-2012, 08:45
Nestor, I call truce with you over this slight disagreement :)

Frank, I like the looks of that PK380. Is it a single stack? Just as small as the 642?

Seems like good gun for women, too. How's the recoil? A lot better than the PPK and LCP class of guns?

Any concern of it being "just a 380"?

Be interesting to see a thread about that gun, and those kinds of issues :)

tobias boon
05-26-2012, 23:31
I will throw in a Thompson Encore. Mine is a .270win, stupid fun. Not so cheap, probably the most money tied up there than any other gun I own. if I wasn't on my zombiephone I would post a pic to get Frank motivated.

faawrenchbndr
05-28-2012, 06:23
Looks like it is a Walther 380.......... trade a 642 for a PK380? :wow:

TN.Frank
05-28-2012, 06:28
Looks like it is a Walther 380.......... trade a 642 for a PK380? :wow:

Trade a 642 for a PK380 AND $100 bucks, don't forget the cash. That extra $100 bucks came in handy for food and gas for the week.

faawrenchbndr
05-28-2012, 06:36
Ya got screwed,..........:faint:

TN.Frank
05-28-2012, 06:41
Ya got screwed,..........:faint:

No, I got a gun I can shoot accurately with low recoil.
http://www.gunblast.com/Walther-PK380.htm
I've always trusted Jeff's opinion on firearms, he's never steered me wrong.
If you don't like the PK380 that's fine, Hater's got to hate but don't discount the gun for other folks use just because you don't like it. Like I said, plenty of folks don't like Kel-Tec, doesn't mean that there isn't more then a few folks that DO like them.
I simply won't own a gun that I an hit with and that has more recoil them I'm willing to put up with. No way my wife could have shot that 642 but the PK380 has such soft recoil and is accurate enough I know she'll have no problems shooting it.

faawrenchbndr
05-28-2012, 06:53
It's not about hate,........it's about an underpowered cartridge!
You went from a rock solid, proven, weapon to a low powered,
platform that you are sticking nails in!

Open your eyes & see WTF is going on!

TN.Frank
05-28-2012, 07:00
It's not about hate,........it's about an underpowered cartridge!
You need to read up on 380acp and 38spl specs, both are in the 200 ft/lb range, 38spl is probably even less out of such a short barrel. IF the 380acp is underpowered then so is the 38spl.


You went from a rock solid, proven, weapon to a low powered,
platform that you are sticking nails in!
Did I actually say I was going to USE the guide rod I made out of a nail in the gun? NO, I said I did it just to see if it could be done, never said I was actually going to use the part.
Again, the Alloy J-Frame revolvers aren't without their share of problems. I've read about more then a few that developed frame cracks under the crane area of the barrel and no matter how "Reliable" it is if you can hit anything with it you might as well be throwing rocks. Only hits count.


Open your eyes & see WTF is going on!
How about you just don't worry about my firearms selection and stop getting your undies in a bunch over it.
If YOU don't like the PK380 and would rather carry a S&W 642 then YOU do that, I like this little gun because it's accurate and I shoot it much better then I ever could shoot the 642 and it's something my wife will actually be able to shoot. She's not a recoil fan, no way should could have shot the 642. I'm sure she'll have no problems with the PK380.

faawrenchbndr
05-28-2012, 07:28
Just setting the record straight,...........your spewing of utter
BS is tiresome.

Show me 158gr ballistic data for a .380 Auto!
Show me gelitan penetration for a 158 gr .380 auto!

If one has to resort to carrying a unproven caliber, due to
recoil sensitivity, it may be wise to not carry at all.

TN.Frank
05-28-2012, 08:10
Show me 158gr ballistic data for a .380 Auto!
Show me gelitan penetration for a 158 gr .380 auto!

You know full well that 158gr is not the standard bullet weight for the 380acp so why even go there.
The Speer Gold Dot HP (88gr @ 914fps) did penetrate a clothed gelatin block to 11.6" and expanded to 0.46". I'd not call that "underpowered' at all.


If one has to resort to carrying a unproven caliber, due to
recoil sensitivity, it may be wise to not carry at all.

No less then John M. Browning designed this cartridge in 1908 so the 38 spl only has a 9 year head start on the 380acp, which makes the 380acp hardly what I'd call "Unproven". There's a great many European Countries that consider the 380acp more then good enough for Police work.
I call B.S. on your statement about not carrying at all simply because one doesn't want to deal with more recoil and less accuracy in a given handgun. There are scores of folks, many right her on GlockTalk, that carry the 380acp for EDC/CCW and even a few that carry the 32acp, which is even less powerful. You carry what you can shoot accurately and what you can hit with, "stopping power" is secondary to CCW.
If it wasn't then we'd all be packing 44Mags or 454 Casulls.

faawrenchbndr
05-28-2012, 08:24
You stated the BS about the 380 being equal to te .38 Spec
Show me 158gr 380 auto dat or start eating words!

They are net equal and never will be. If you prefer the 380 over
the 38 Spec,....great! But do not spew garbage that the 380 is
on par with the 38 Spec. I'm not going to sit and let you spread
that utter bull ****!

Nearly every post you try to pass along complete BS. Not sure
if you're running for "troll of the year" or you actually believe
what you are saying. :dunno:

Dave.1
05-28-2012, 08:27
I shot these .380 Hornady Critical Def out of a Bersa Thunder CC(21'), thru a layer of denim laid over about 8" of wet phone books. Not scientific I know but enough to make be think they would work.

Forgive the bling, my wife made earrings out of them, but you get the idea by looking at the center.
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g466/darock2/hornady380web.jpg

Dave

Wil Ufgood
05-28-2012, 08:31
http://www.mcguckin.com/images/2620110.jpg

TN.Frank
05-28-2012, 08:45
They are net equal and never will be.

You're right, if you compare a 38spl +P out of a 2", 5 shot revolver that has heavy recoil and is inaccurate to a 380acp out of a 3.75" semi that is very accurate and has mild recoil then IMHO the 380acp wins every time.
"Stopping Power" is B.S., only hits count, if you can't hit from the gun you carry then you need to find a gun that you can hit with.
If I feel the need for more "power" then I've always got 13+1 rounds of 230gr 45acp +P on tap with my XD.

Nestor
05-28-2012, 08:51
I simply won't own a gun that I an hit with and that has more recoil them I'm willing to put up with. No way my wife could have shot that 642 but the PK380 has such soft recoil and is accurate enough I know she'll have no problems shooting it.

...and of course being such S&W expert as You are You didn't know that a light snubby like 642 will produce this amount of recoil?
Two days before selling your revolver You were "in love" with it...because?
Also being such well respected 1911 expert as You are (since You owned 8 of them...did it take 2 months to accomplish all that BTW?) You didn't know that 1911 is limited to 7-8 rounds in the magazine, so right after making such dramatic discovery You traded it immediately for the XD?
Sure, that makes a lot of sense either.
Now, few days after You stated that You won't even look at any gun that is not chambered in 45 ACP You are going 380 ACP :rofl:
You know...You can do whatever You want, but there is really no reason to make such clown out of yourself with nearly any purchase...or maybe there is? Fishing for attention much?

FLIPPER 348
05-28-2012, 09:07
Trade a 642 for a PK380 AND $100 bucks, don't forget the cash. That extra $100 bucks came in handy for food and gas for the week.




What are you going to do about next week?? Frank, it is apparent you don't have a pot to piss in and live on the financial edge. How are you going to afford 380 ammo??

faawrenchbndr
05-28-2012, 09:20
You're right, if you compare a 38spl +P out of a 2", 5 shot revolver that has heavy recoil and is inaccurate to a 380acp out of a 3.75" semi that is very accurate and has mild recoil then IMHO the 380acp wins every time.
"Stopping Power" is B.S., only hits count, if you can't hit from the gun you carry then you need to find a gun that you can hit with.
If I feel the need for more "power" then I've always got 13+1 rounds of 230gr 45acp +P on tap with my XD.


I can no longer argue with such ignorance,.......you WIN! :cheerleader:

Wil Ufgood
05-28-2012, 11:05
You're right, if you compare a 38spl +P out of a 2", 5 shot revolver that has heavy recoil and is inaccurate to a 380acp out of a 3.75" semi that is very accurate and has mild recoil then IMHO the 380acp wins every time.
"Stopping Power" is B.S., only hits count, if you can't hit from the gun you carry then you need to find a gun that you can hit with.
If I feel the need for more "power" then I've always got 13+1 rounds of 230gr 45acp +P on tap with my XD.

:upeyes: Yeah S&W revolvers are inherently inaccurate, and man that 38spl round is mighty punishing :rofl:

countrygun
05-28-2012, 12:25
Let me get this straight. The hypothesis on the table at the moment is,

A pocket rocket .380 has more power and less recoil than a "J" frame S&W in .38


Is that about it or did I miss something?

Is he trying to talk himself in to a 9mm by going in the back door with the .380?

Wil Ufgood
05-28-2012, 12:47
Is he trying to talk himself in to a 9mm by going in the back door with the .380?

Quite possible, I'm thinking with his current trend this is next.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DSCN9826-400x300.jpg

countrygun
05-28-2012, 13:26
I was kinda hoping he would gravitate to a 3 or 4" model 10 and a Lee Loader, but I don't think the reloading forum could stand the strain.

Tallahassee
05-28-2012, 14:01
I'm guessing Ruger LC9 or Taurus Judge.

Nestor
05-28-2012, 14:09
I was kinda hoping he would gravitate to a 3 or 4" model 10 and a Lee Loader, but I don't think the reloading forum could stand the strain.

No, that's not going to work, because only his wife likes the revolvers...however since they are inaccurate and producing excessive recoil only the idiot would be promoting such ineffective option for self defense. On top of it model 10 is chambered in 38 Special, for which Frank is reloading and strongly prefers this caliber along with 357, so for this reason it doesn't make any sense to go with it. If You prefer .357 it's well known fact that 380 ACP is the way to go...even if You like 45 ACP better...well, at least ACP part is the same. You know, the only reason I talk to myself is because Iím the only one whose answers I accept. Now back off! Yupikayey...

countrygun
05-28-2012, 15:53
No, that's not going to work, because only his wife likes the revolvers...however since they are inaccurate and producing excessive recoil only the idiot would be promoting such ineffective option for self defense. On top of it model 10 is chambered in 38 Special, for which Frank is reloading and strongly prefers this caliber along with 357, so for this reason it doesn't make any sense to go with it. If You prefer .357 it's well known fact that 380 ACP is the way to go...even if You like 45 ACP better...well, at least ACP part is the same. You know, the only reason I talk to myself is because Iím the only one whose answers I accept. Now back off! Yupikayey...


I understand the the .357/.380 thing, it's so obvious look at it. They both have 3 digits in their name so they must be similar. The logic is inescapable.

But, the .380 is tied to the .45 very closely because they are both rimless cartridges and are therefore close to each other, ergo the .380 bridges the gap between the .357 and the .45

You see? All you have do do is approach it with an open mind.

Nestor
05-28-2012, 16:26
I understand the the .357/.380 thing, it's so obvious look at it. They both have 3 digits in their name so they must be similar. The logic is inescapable.

But, the .380 is tied to the .45 very closely because they are both rimless cartridges and are therefore close to each other, ergo the .380 bridges the gap between the .357 and the .45

You see? All you have do do is approach it with an open mind.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

countrygun
05-28-2012, 16:51
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?


Don't be silly, it's the Swallows

TN.Frank
05-28-2012, 19:05
Did I say there was anything wrong with the 642? Read it again, what I said was that "I" couldn't shoot it accurately and that "I" felt that the recoil would be a bit much for my wife to handle. The PK380 has a very soft recoil and it's something that "I" can shoot well, only hits count.
I'm not trying to force anyone here to sell off their J's and talk them into buying 380's, why do some of you feel compelled to try and tell me that the 380acp is Wrong for me. If you don't like it don't carry it but there are plenty of guys here that love their Ruger LCP's, Kel-Tec 3AT's and other 380acp caliber guns.
I really think it's rude to crap all over someone's self defense choice simply because YOU might not agree with it. First rule of a gun fight, Have a Gun. I'm just glad when someone can defend themselves because they have a gun, even if it's a 32acp, 22lr or whatever.

captdreifus
05-29-2012, 01:15
Thread is full of win.




/sarcasm

JohnnyReb
05-29-2012, 04:17
I think you guys are being a little hard on Frank here. Lets lighten up on him a bit.

Stevekozak
05-29-2012, 06:40
I'm not convinced that Frank is not really a teen boy in his mom's basement. If not in reality, in concept.

JohnnyReb
05-29-2012, 07:12
I'm not convinced that Frank is not really a teen boy in his mom's basement. If not in reality, in concept.

Only the shadow knows for sure.

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Wil Ufgood
05-29-2012, 07:33
I'm not convinced that Frank is not really a teen boy in his mom's basement. If not in reality, in concept.
http://cl.jroo.me/z3/M/g/T/c/a.aaa.jpg

SigFTW
05-29-2012, 07:48
I go away for the holiday and come back to 5 pages on this thread!!! WOW.:popcorn:

Stevekozak
05-29-2012, 17:36
I'm not convinced that Frank is not really a teen boy in his mom's basement. If not in reality, in concept.
That was a mean thing for me to say. I apologize. I was cranky when I got up this morning. I will try to be more positive in the future. :wavey:

pat701
05-29-2012, 17:44
The Sig he always wanted.

2740dmx
05-29-2012, 18:05
Man....
You guys are harsh! :wow:

Remind me not to post about my next gun trade! :embarassed:

and Frank....you gotta admit....you are kinda walking right into these situations...:dunno:

TN.Frank
05-29-2012, 18:28
Man....
and Frank....you gotta admit....you are kinda walking right into these situations...:dunno:

Hey, what can I say, I get fired up about something when I get it but as they say The Proof is in the Pudding. After shooting the 642 a bit more I found out that I just couldn't shoot it very well and that I really didn't care for the recoil from an Airweight J-Frame. So I did what I had to do in order to get into something that I'd be more comfortable with and that I'll know my wife will be able to shoot. She's not a huge fan of recoil and has not shot in quite a few years so I wanted something that was easier to shoot accurately and that would have low recoil but still have a decent amount of, dare I say, Power. Out of a snub the 38spl just breaks the 200 ft/lb mark, out of a medium size semi the 380acp is right at 200 ft/lb so it's basically the same ballistics in an easier to shoot package.

ithaca_deerslayer
05-29-2012, 20:23
. . . that I'll know my wife will be able to shoot. She's not a huge fan of recoil and has not shot in quite a few years so I wanted something that was easier to shoot . . .

Frank, you have good logic in these threads (which bugs the other guys to no end), but I am curious about something. Will she actually shoot any of these guns?

Wil Ufgood
05-29-2012, 20:26
Frank, you have good logic in these threads (which bugs the other guys to no end), but I am curious about something. Will she actually shoot any of these guns?

She should since she's bringing home the
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/c399_tactical_canned_bacon.jpg

Berto
05-29-2012, 20:30
, Power. Out of a snub the 38spl just breaks the 200 ft/lb mark, out of a medium size semi the 380acp is right at 200 ft/lb so it's basically the same ballistics in an easier to shoot package.

No.

1)ft lbs are nearly meaningless here
2) even the very best .380 is about 100ftlb off the best .38sp (from a snubby)....if ft lbs were any real indication.

3) .380 can't do what .38sp can do, the bullets are too light-you can have penetration OR expansion, but not both.

I'm glad you like your latest pistol, it's good to use what you can shoot well....but you are not in the same 'ballistic' realm as .38sp with any decent load.
Being able to hit well is the most important thing without a doubt, but you still need to practice with whatever you carry, whether it's a snubby revolver or this Walther.
The PK380 should at least give you the most from that round with some decent bbl length, and I agree there is such a thing as 'too small' even in pocket pistols.

faawrenchbndr
05-29-2012, 20:33
....... Out of a snub the 38spl just breaks the 200 ft/lb mark, out of a medium size semi the 380acp is right at 200 ft/lb so it's basically the same ballistics in an easier to shoot package.


And a Honda Civic traveling 55mph will impart the same force on
a brick wall as a Cadillac Coupe DeVille traveling the same speed?!

You seriously believe what you are saying?!? :dunno:

Wil Ufgood
05-29-2012, 20:44
No.


The PK380 should at least give you the most from that round with some decent bbl length, and I agree there is such a thing as 'too small' even in pocket pistols.

I disagree, if you're going to go .380 forget bbl length, gotta compensate with "class"

http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/761/138263-james_bond_sean_connery.jpg

Zombie Steve
05-29-2012, 21:32
No.

1)ft lbs are nearly meaningless here
2) even the very best .380 is about 100ftlb off the best .38sp (from a snubby)....if ft lbs were any real indication.

3) .380 can't do what .38sp can do, the bullets are too light-you can have penetration OR expansion, but not both.

I'm glad you like your latest pistol, it's good to use what you can shoot well....but you are not in the same 'ballistic' realm as .38sp with any decent load.
Being able to hit well is the most important thing without a doubt, but you still need to practice with whatever you carry, whether it's a snubby revolver or this Walther.
The PK380 should at least give you the most from that round with some decent bbl length, and I agree there is such a thing as 'too small' even in pocket pistols.

http://gundata.org/images/38-special-vs-380-acp.jpg

More room for powder and bullet. .38 wins. :thumbsup:

TN.Frank
05-29-2012, 22:09
And a Honda Civic traveling 55mph will impart the same force on
a brick wall as a Cadillac Coupe DeVille traveling the same speed?!

You seriously believe what you are saying?!? :dunno:

158gr SWC in a 2" 38spl will give you about 725 fps if you're lucky. A 95gr FMJ in a mid-size 380acp(like I have) will give you around 950fps so energy wise they've very close. 38spl is using a heavier, slower bullet, 380acp is lighter and faster.
You don't have to take my word for it, plug in your numbers and see what's what.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/

James Bond carried a Walther PPK in 32acp, NOT 380acp.


Check out 2" specs for 38spl
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/38special.html
VS
3.66" specs(Pk380) for the 380acp.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/380auto2.html
Looks pretty close to me.

Wil Ufgood
05-29-2012, 22:11
James Bond carried a Walther PPK in 32acp, NOT 380acp.

I know Frank, but they are available in .380. Think about it!

TN.Frank
05-29-2012, 22:22
I know Frank, but they are available in .380. Think about it!

They also $500-$600 bucks too.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/mepngs/38special.png
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/mepngs/380auto2010.png

TN.Frank
05-29-2012, 22:27
The 125gr Hydra Shok 38spls I used in the 642 come in at just below 140 ft/lbs of energy.
Hornady 90gr XTP's come in at 160 ft/lbs. Looks pretty close to me.

Wil Ufgood
05-29-2012, 22:30
Any cavitation examples? AKA gel test.

TN.Frank
05-29-2012, 22:43
Any cavitation examples? AKA gel test.

I'd like to see how each bullet would perform in ballistics gel myself.

It is interesting to note that the best 380acp round out of a 4" barrel shows 300 ft/lbs of energy while the best 38spl out of the 2" "snub nose" revolver only rates about 170 ft/lbs. Totally a reflection of velocity but interesting none the less.

Nestor
05-30-2012, 05:13
And a Honda Civic traveling 55mph will impart the same force on
a brick wall as a Cadillac Coupe DeVille traveling the same speed?!

You seriously believe what you are saying?!? :dunno:

The truth is, attention seekers are looking for validation.

Wil Ufgood
05-30-2012, 06:11
Somewhat dated, but good data

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs.htm

byf43
05-30-2012, 07:29
Somewhat dated, but good data

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs.htm


Very interesting!!!

Note: The .38 Nyclad(s) opened up quite a bit in bare gelatin, and weren't recovered in denim covered gelatin.
The .380 opened up in the bare gelatin, and didn't open up very much, at all, in the denim covered gelatin.
(That JHP got filled with cotton/denim, and didn't expand very much, at all!)




Hmmmmmmmmmm. . . Federal Nyclad +p. That's what I have in my mdl 66 (2-1/2") and mdl 19 (4"), at home. :supergrin:

TN.Frank
05-30-2012, 07:51
The truth is, attention seekers are looking for validation.

And that's why you keep posting your non-relevant comments to my threads. Because you're looking for attention. If you don't have anything positive to add to the conversation they STFU.

byf43
05-30-2012, 08:02
And that's why you keep posting your non-relevant comments to my threads. Because you're looking for attention. If you don't have anything positive to add to the conversation they STFU.

Frank -

Just a few thoughts -

1. You may have started the thread, but, it's Eric's, now. (His website!)
ETA: Oops!!!!!!!! You didn't start this thread. . . . faawrenchbndr, did!!

2. If you didn't want comments/conversation on a thread that you started, don't start the thread. (I thought the forum was for conversation??? Guess I was wrong.)

3. We're all friends, here.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/LightenUpFrancis.jpg

TN.Frank
05-30-2012, 10:12
2. If you didn't want comments/conversation on a thread that you started, don't start the thread. (I thought the forum was for conversation??? Guess I was wrong.)
Conversation and information exchange about firearms but not rude, snide remarks designed to inflame and and insult fellow members which is basically what Nestor has chosen to do with regards to me.


3. We're all friends, here.


I would like to think so but others here don't seem to feel the same way about it. Once again, I seem to be the focus of rude and insulting comments from fellow members when I personally feel they're not warranted or deserved.

byf43
05-30-2012, 10:17
Conversation and information exchange about firearms but not rude, snide remarks designed to inflame and and insult fellow members which is basically what Nestor has chosen to do with regards to me.



I would like to think so but others here don't seem to feel the same way about it. Once again, I seem to be the focus of rude and insulting comments from fellow members when I personally feel they're not warranted or deserved.


And that's why you keep posting your non-relevant comments to my threads. Because you're looking for attention. If you don't have anything positive to add to the conversation they STFU.


So, I suppose, your comments ARE 'justified' or 'proper'.
(And I've seen that more than once or twice. . . ahem, cough, cough.)


That's bacon calling sausage 'pork', my friend.

TN.Frank
05-30-2012, 10:21
So, I suppose, your comments ARE 'justified' or 'proper'.
(And I've seen that more than once or twice. . . ahem, cough, cough.)
That's bacon calling sausage 'pork', my friend.

A man can only put up with so much before he reaches his breaking point and I've been pushed to it quite a few times by rude and unwarranted comments.
I guess I should just be a Bigger Man about things and ignore things but it just sticks in my craw when folks that don't know me hack on me to such a degree.

byf43
05-30-2012, 10:32
A man can only put up with so much before he reaches his breaking point and I've been pushed to it quite a few times by rude and unwarranted comments.
I guess I should just be a Bigger Man about things and ignore things but it just sticks in my craw when folks that don't know me hack on me to such a degree.



Don't get me 'wrong', Frank, but, it's only words.

Also, here's the way I look at it.

• I'm a guest in someone else's 'house'. He expects me to behave in a certain manner, or, I won't be invited back.

• I've been called more (and worse) names than you could ever imagine, by some of the 'best' (or worst) individuals you could ever hear. Who gives a rat's behind????
What difference is it going to make. . . . in 100 years????


• If you worry about something, it's because you don't have control over it.
IF you don't have control over it, why worry about it????


Today, it's your day behind the 8-Ball. Tomorrow (or next week), it'll probably be mine.
(So what??)

Wil Ufgood
05-30-2012, 10:52
A man can only put up with so much before he reaches his breaking point and I've been pushed to it quite a few times by rude and unwarranted comments.
I guess I should just be a Bigger Man about things and ignore things but it just sticks in my craw when folks that don't know me hack on me to such a degree.

http://wordincarnate.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/angry-man.gif

countrygun
05-30-2012, 12:24
For the heck of it, I'll toss out an opinion about the concept of using muzzle energy as your measuring stick. I imagine that the guys from "Mythbusters" could rig up a device that would propel a ping-pong ball fast enough to beat both the .380 and the .38 special in the muzzle energy department. It won't make a ping-pong ball a good defensive projectile even if you could put it in a pocket gun. Mass and sectional density are what account for penetration in human tissue.

To use an example from my hunting experience, and it is a bit more extreme that two very similar pistol rounds but the principle is the same.

I can push a 125 gn bullet in a .308 or 06 at close to 3,000 fps (frightening "muzzle energy")

I can push a 220 gn bullet out of my 30-40 at 2,000 fps.

Want to guess which one blows up on a heavy bone and which one smashes the heavy bone in a large deer's shoulder?

Now scale the lesson down to the two pistol calibers, and as ypurself "how can the .380 with it's weight and velocity compare to a .38 with it's weight and velocity?"

TN.Frank
05-30-2012, 12:49
I fully understand what you're saying but it doesn't always work that way. The Brits tried to boost the performance of the 38S&W round by going to a 200gr bullet at 650fps but it was a total failure.
You need enough sectional density to allow the bullet to penetrate and enough velocity to give it the "umph" it needs to penetrate, bullet weight and velocity go hand in hand. Heavy slow bullet vs a light fast bullet and neither do as well as a medium weight at a mid range velocity.
You also don't need feet of penetration either, the human heart is what, 6" inside a normal guys chest so if you can get 8" of penetration you'll go completely through the heart which is good enough to get the job done.
Like I said, if I really want the extra power I'll just grab my XD45 with the +P loads, 230grs of HP at 950fps should be more then enough to get the job done.

Nestor
05-30-2012, 13:01
Frank pretends that he doesn't know why he lost sympathy of some of us here over the last couple of months.
Of course he's going to pretend now that he's a victim of some vicious unrelated attacks :rofl:
Dude You started the name calling just moment after You got your 1911...and never, ever said sorry to many people who supported you here over the years.
I feel no remorse over poiting the obvious here :wavey:

Nestor
05-30-2012, 13:11
So, I suppose, your comments ARE 'justified' or 'proper'.
(And I've seen that more than once or twice. . . ahem, cough, cough.)


That's bacon calling sausage 'pork', my friend.

Oink! Oink! Snort!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Thanks for the morning laugh.

Wil Ufgood
05-30-2012, 13:20
Frank pretends that he doesn't know why he lost sympathy of some of us here over the last couple of months.
Of course he's going to pretend now that he's a victim of some vicious unrelated attacks :rofl:
Dude You started the name calling just moment after You got your 1911...and never, ever said sorry to many people who supported you here over the years.
I feel no remorse over poiting the obvious here :wavey:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-J1XHO6q-qE/0.jpg

faawrenchbndr
05-30-2012, 13:27
And that's why you keep posting your non-relevant comments to my threads. Because you're looking for attention. If you don't have anything positive to add to the conversation they STFU.

:tongueout:


:rofl:


:dunno:


:faint:


:whistling:

Nestor
05-30-2012, 14:44
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-J1XHO6q-qE/0.jpg

With all due respect, I think it's more like...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Admon/porkfight.jpg

:rofl:

faawrenchbndr
05-30-2012, 15:07
:moo:


:cow:


:cat:



:teddy:


:dog:

Berto
05-30-2012, 15:13
I fully understand what you're saying but it doesn't always work that way. The Brits tried to boost the performance of the 38S&W round by going to a 200gr bullet at 650fps but it was a total failure.
You need enough sectional density to allow the bullet to penetrate and enough velocity to give it the "umph" it needs to penetrate, bullet weight and velocity go hand in hand. Heavy slow bullet vs a light fast bullet and neither do as well as a medium weight at a mid range velocity.
You also don't need feet of penetration either, the human heart is what, 6" inside a normal guys chest so if you can get 8" of penetration you'll go completely through the heart which is good enough to get the job done.
Like I said, if I really want the extra power I'll just grab my XD45 with the +P loads, 230grs of HP at 950fps should be more then enough to get the job done.

1) the .38/200 wasn't considered a total failure by the British when using the orignal soft lead bullet. Many scribes including Elmer Keith observed that it was a hard hitting round.

2) your ideas on penetration might be applicable to invertabrates, but not people. The .380 has been noted on many occasions to fail when using jhps against bones (like the sternum).

3) you can cherry-pick to your heart's content on .380 vs .38sp, but any decent .38sp load, even from a snubby will penetrate deeper and expand larger, using a heavier bullet.
The best .38sp loads in a short barrel approach 400ftlbs and 500ft lbs in a 4".
Even a low ft lbs energy load like the +p 135gr Gold Dot, runs 900fps, penetrates 12" and expands to .58-.61 in gello, the 110gr DPX runs 14-15" and expands .60+.
You're not going to get this from a .380, even with twice the bbl length.

TN.Frank
05-30-2012, 15:57
Even a low ft lbs energy load like the +p 135gr Gold Dot, runs 900fps, penetrates 12" and expands to .58-.61 in gello, the 110gr DPX runs 14-15" and expands .60+.
You're not going to get this from a .380, even with twice the bbl length.

Think you need to look at the Ballistics tables again. GD HP from a 2" is more like 750fps, not 900fps.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/38special.html
A 3" bbl will give you close to 900fps out of the GD HP but NOT a 2" or in the case of the J-Frame a 1 7/8".
Don't really care if the 380acp isn't a good Brown Bear ctg., it's one that I can shoot well out of the PK380 and that has very low recoil so it's also easy to shoot. I like it and that's really all that matters.

Berto
05-30-2012, 16:03
Think you need to look at the Ballistics tables again. GD HP from a 2" is more like 750fps, not 900fps.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/38special.html
A 3" bbl will give you close to 900fps out of the GD HP but NOT a 2" or in the case of the J-Frame a 1 7/8".
Don't really care if the 380acp isn't a good Brown Bear ctg., it's one that I can shoot well out of the PK380 and that has very low recoil so it's also easy to shoot. I like it and that's really all that matters.

No, in fact you need to look at it.



S & W
642
1.875" barrel

940

911

961

847

897

(that's the 135gr Gold Dot):wavey:

byf43
05-30-2012, 16:06
With all due respect, I think it's more like...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Admon/porkfight.jpg

:rofl:


Bacon. . . . . sausage. . . . . = pork!!!!!!



:rofl::rofl::rofl:

TN.Frank
05-30-2012, 16:08
No, in fact you need to look at it.

S & W
642
1.875" barrel
847 fps

(that's the 135gr Gold Dot):wavey:

Ok, I was looking at the top table under the 2" listing. Like I said, 38spl may be more powerful then the 380acp I now have but I can shoot the 380acp much better and the recoil doesn't bother me like the 38 did out of an Airweight gun.
That still doesn't mean that I'll not pick up a nice K-Frame 3" or 4" to play around with. I like the 38spl just fine but for this application the 380acp just works better FOR ME. To each his own I guess.

Berto
05-30-2012, 16:09
I like it and that's really all that matters.

That's OK, but the rest is just rationalizing.

TN.Frank
05-30-2012, 16:09
Bacon. . . . . sausage. . . . . = pork!!!!!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Would ya' stop it, you're making me hungry. A big ol' Bacon Cheese Burger would sure be nice right now with a cold beer and some chips.

I like it and that's really all that matters.

That's OK, but the rest is just rationalizing.

That's fine, I've always thought of myself as a Rational sort of guy.

wanderinwalker
05-30-2012, 16:10
Think you need to look at the Ballistics tables again. GD HP from a 2" is more like 750fps, not 900fps.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/38special.html
A 3" bbl will give you close to 900fps out of the GD HP but NOT a 2" or in the case of the J-Frame a 1 7/8".
Don't really care if the 380acp isn't a good Brown Bear ctg., it's one that I can shoot well out of the PK380 and that has very low recoil so it's also easy to shoot. I like it and that's really all that matters.

If you scroll to the bottom of the page, the tests with real world guns indicate more like 900-fps with the 2-in barrel revolvers for the 135gr +P Gold Dots. The cut BBI barrel is measure like an autoloader barrel, breech to muzzle, but revolver barrel measurement is all barrel without including the chamber.

Either way, good luck with your Walther.

Edited - dang, a lot of posting happened while I was typing!

Nestor
05-30-2012, 16:12
Bacon. . . . . sausage. . . . . = pork!!!!!!



:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Quite often they like to kick You, but at the same time they feel you're not allowed to kick them back.

byf43
05-30-2012, 16:15
Would ya' stop it, you're making me hungry. A big ol' Bacon Cheese Burger would sure be nice right now with a cold beer and some chips.






My wife just called me to dinner.

Wild hog sausage mixed w/ ground beef. . . . cooked up to make some GREAT tasting Tacos!!!!!

See ya!!!!!! Chow time at the byf43 homeplace!!

TN.Frank
05-30-2012, 16:31
My wife just called me to dinner.

Wild hog sausage mixed w/ ground beef. . . . cooked up to make some GREAT tasting Tacos!!!!!

See ya!!!!!! Chow time at the byf43 homeplace!!

My wife is Hispanic and makes some great Mexican Food but I have to make the sausage gravy and biscuits around here if I want to eat any.LOL

Nestor
05-30-2012, 16:44
My wife just called me to dinner.

Wild hog sausage mixed w/ ground beef. . . . cooked up to make some GREAT tasting Tacos!!!!!

See ya!!!!!! Chow time at the byf43 homeplace!!

To celebrate this lovely over-analyzing, over rationalizing approach that we can see here every two weeks I had some tasty home-made, lean pork burgers for the dinner today!

byf43
05-30-2012, 16:45
Wow!!!!! Those tacos were great!!

Pork (and beef). It's what's for dinner!

Now. . . . where were we????? :supergrin:

faawrenchbndr
05-30-2012, 16:46
I prefer tuna,.........:whistling:

Nestor
05-30-2012, 16:49
Now. . . . where were we????? :supergrin:

As Oscar Wilde should have said, when bad ideas have nowhere else to go, they emigrate to General Firearms Forum and become the new doctrines.

Nestor
05-30-2012, 16:50
I prefer tuna,.........:whistling:

You right, at least they glow in the dark, so they may serve as the night sights. Guide rod made of of the nail and night sights made out of tuna.

Wil Ufgood
05-30-2012, 16:53
Wood bullets anyone?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g48/OTH_2006/BirdShot.jpg

Nestor
05-30-2012, 16:54
Wood bullets anyone?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g48/OTH_2006/BirdShot.jpg

Vampires be afraid, be very afraid :rofl:

countrygun
05-30-2012, 18:11
OK now, enough of it. Everyone kiss and make up--no tongue

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.well if you really want to,

faawrenchbndr
05-30-2012, 18:27
MAJ has got wood! :rofl:

Wil Ufgood
05-30-2012, 19:21
VIAGRA it works:devildance:

TN.Frank
05-30-2012, 19:26
VIAGRA it works:devildance:

My Grandpa use to take a half of a Viagra every morning so he wouldn't pee on his slippers.

Wil Ufgood
05-30-2012, 19:36
My Grandpa use to take a half of a Viagra every morning so he wouldn't pee on his slippers.

http://endlesspicdump.com/pee.picdump

Camu Mahubah
05-30-2012, 22:51
The PK380 is a janky outfit...I know from experience. And IT HAS A TON OF RECOIL FOR WHAT IT IS being as it is so light. Pocket guns are not known for soft recoil.

Frank...I'm not in here to throw jabs at you...I'm just stating my opinion on the Walther from experience.

I hope you enjoy it...but this is one gun I won't criticize you for trading off...I really don't think they are reliable enough for SD...

And the safety seems backwards to me. Teach your wife the safety if she is gonna carry it!

TN.Frank
05-31-2012, 06:58
The PK380 is a janky outfit...I know from experience. And IT HAS A TON OF RECOIL FOR WHAT IT IS being as it is so light. Pocket guns are not known for soft recoil.

First off it's not a "Pocket Gun" being close to the size of a Glock G19 only thinner. Second, if you think a 22lr has a "Ton of Recoil" then you're right, the PK380 also has a "Ton of Recoil". I've read more then a few comments about how soft the recoil on the PK is and I KNOW from expirence that it IS a very soft shooting handgun.


Frank...I'm not in here to throw jabs at you...I'm just stating my opinion on the Walther from experience.
And I'm not throwing any jabs back, just stating my opinions from my experience.

I hope you enjoy it...but this is one gun I won't criticize you for trading off...I really don't think they are reliable enough for SD...
That's the "funny" thing about the PK380. They either work 100% or they don't. Not sure if it's the earlier models that had all the issues or what but there's been many of them that's been 100% through thousands of rounds. Personally, I trust this gun as much as any other semi-auto.


And the safety seems backwards to me. Teach your wife the safety if she is gonna carry it!
The safety is just like every other European style safety including the Beretta 92. It's all a matter of training. I don't have a problem with the way the safety works at all.

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 07:04
F



That's the "funny" thing about the PK380. They either work 100% or they don't. Not sure if it's the earlier models that had all the issues or what but there's been many of them that's been 100% through thousands of rounds. Personally, I trust this gun as much as any other semi-auto.


Frank get a nice J frame, they're super reliable, OH wait, never mind :couch:

faawrenchbndr
05-31-2012, 07:16
Walther went down hill since S&W took over......

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 07:21
Walther went down hill since S&W took over......

I think of them as a bastard step child now.

TN.Frank
05-31-2012, 08:13
Walther went down hill since S&W took over......

So let me get this straight. A S&W 642 is ok but a Walther(who is now owned by S&W) is NOT ok. Just don't see the logic in that statement.
Many folks still like Walther, heck, quite a few here have bought PPQ's, PPK's, P99's and they'll quite happy with them.

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 11:08
So let me get this straight. A S&W 642 is ok but a Walther(who is now owned by S&W) is NOT ok.

YES:poke:

faawrenchbndr
05-31-2012, 11:36
What's sooooo hard to understand?!? :dunno:

Smith & Wesson can make a revolver, but they can not make
a Walther to save their ***!

Do some research...........you may actually learn something!

Nestor
05-31-2012, 12:08
The safety is just like every other European style safety including the Beretta 92. It's all a matter of training. I don't have a problem with the way the safety works at all.

Wait a second...it suppose to be your wife's gun...is she aware how the safety works on this new "perfect" pistol ...ohhh nevermind...I forgot that she likes the revolvers more anyway :whistling:


That's fine, I've always thought of myself as a Rational sort of guy.

A man of such obvious and exemplary charm like You should have better memory.

I can be perfectly happy with what I've got and all of a sudden it'll kind of hit me to trade. No real logic or reason behind it, like I said, just a gut feeling.

faawrenchbndr
05-31-2012, 12:16
Just now catching on to that, huh,........:whistling:

Nestor
05-31-2012, 12:25
Every morning brings some more news. This soap opera is really entertaining to follow, especially with all the "unexpected" turns. Will it ever end? I hope not.
BTW..did You hear about that?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Admon/flyingpigs.gif

Flying pigs were sighted around Southeastern United States this morning...live updates to follow.

TN.Frank
05-31-2012, 12:41
Smith & Wesson can make a revolver, but they can not make
a Walther to save their ***!


Well, thank God they didn't make the PK380, it's made by Umarex, a well known German firearms company.

Nestor
05-31-2012, 12:51
If it has the Ulm proof mark (antler) it's Walther.
If it has the Koln proof mark (three crowns) it's Umarex.
Umarex is Walther's sister company, specializing in...air guns.
The quality in their products is spotty to say at least.

TxGun
05-31-2012, 12:55
Umarex is not a great association to have. As Nestor says, they are probably most known for making air-soft guns, and their overall reputation is not the best.

TN.Frank
05-31-2012, 13:04
It's Umarex, three crowns in a shield. They also make the Hammerli target guns as well as RWS air rifles and pistols.

themighty9mm
05-31-2012, 13:10
Well, thank God they didn't make the PK380, it's made by Umarex, a well known German firearms company.
Uhhh, diddnt umerex make airsoft guns?

OOPs someone said it before me.

And frank, its ok. You have a disease. We are here for you.

You have a gun you really like it alot, then you find the tiniest little thing you dislike about it and sell it or trade it. I have done the same thing. Some of my "rationalizing" to myself has been so obscured as " its to expensive, and parts/mags are aswell" That was the case with a sig 226 I used to own. LMAO that was my rationalizing after I had purchased it, knowing full good and well the costs involved. Or other times in your case, you read somewhere on the internet someone said something negative about it (642) then sell it off. I can't say I have not done similar.
No realistic rationaling, or rhym or reason behind it. The difference is in your case you ask umpteen questions about it, exclaim how glorious the gun is. Then ask umpteen questions about the tiniest little dislike, hoping that someone will tell you its not true. Even when they tell you not to worry, and you exagerating, you are still convince the gun will be problematic. Even though you have not experience any said issues. Instead, just chalk it up to you wanted something new and will constantly be on the search for the perfect gun.
In my case I have found it. I still try to find something better but always come back to the same conclusion. Its ok, we are here for you.
We arnt mad at you about it (most of us anyways) it just becomes a joke of sorts after countless times of the same thing. Its almost a monthly or bimonthly cycle.
You name sticks out to people, I remember giving you greif over on the beretta forum for this same thing. Before the beretta forum, I remember you doing this same thing on here. Now you are no longer on the beretta foru much if at all, but you continue to do the same thing here. Like I said, I'm not mad about it. Just kinda funny is all. I'd bet your wife and real life friends give you greif over it aswell. I know mine do. I have been through 7-8 glocks now Each time coming up with the same or similar excusses as to why it isnt for me but then I continue to buy more lol. I catch alot of flak for it at home and with friends. Its sort of an expensive ongoing joke. My wife hates it. She has chalked it up to just calling me stupid when I talk about getting another glock or any other gun I have owned and not liked before. Its a sickness, ask me how I know?

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 13:28
Airsoft guns have pretty soft recoil :rofl:

TN.Frank
05-31-2012, 13:48
Or other times in your case, you read somewhere on the internet someone said something negative about it (642) then sell it off.

I didn't read anything, Glock19Fan and I went shooting and I couldn't hit squat with the little 642, that got me to thinking "If I can't hit anything with it under a No Stress situation what the heck would happen in a real World, High Stress Encounter? No Thank You, don't want to be responsible for hitting an innocent with a stray round during a gun fight, I'd rather have something that I can shoot well and hit where I aim at even if it does have less power. I and only I am responsible for where my rounds go in a gun fight and if I don't feel comfortable enough with the gun I'm using to place rounds on target then it's time to get a different gun, something that I can actually shoot well and feel comfortable with.

TN.Frank
05-31-2012, 13:50
Airsoft guns have pretty soft recoil :rofl:

So you're saying that the PK380 is an "Air Soft" just because the same company makes it and Air Soft guns? Guess you wouldn't want to volunteer to stand in front of me next time I go shooting with the PK380, would ya'. I mean, since it's made by an Air Soft company, how much actual damage could it really do?

faawrenchbndr
05-31-2012, 13:50
Well, thank God they didn't make the PK380, it's made by Umarex, a well known German firearms company.

Uh,.......do some more flippin research, & dig your foot out of your mouth! :rofl:

While Umarex does make the PK380 I'd rather own a Bersa!
Seems S&W is just a Importer/Distributor for the PK380.

Sooooooooo, essentially you traded a proven revolver for an Airsoft gun! :rofl:

TN.Frank
05-31-2012, 13:57
Uh,.......do some more flippin research, & dig your foot out of your mouth! :rofl:

Well, gee, I guess I'm too Stooped to do any research, why don't you just post a few links so you can edjuamacate me.

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 13:57
So you're saying that the PK380 is an "Air Soft" just because the same company makes it and Air Soft guns? Guess you wouldn't want to volunteer to stand in front of me next time I go shooting with the PK380, would ya'. I mean, since it's made by an Air Soft company, how much actual damage could it really do?



ONLY if you don't use the nail recoil rod. Someone might lose an eye. :nutcheck:

faawrenchbndr
05-31-2012, 14:00
Well, gee, I guess I'm too Stooped to do any research, why don't you just post a few links so you can edjuamacate me.



Nope,.......don't have the time to spoon feed ya! Call Obamma! :tongueout:

themighty9mm
05-31-2012, 14:15
I didn't read anything, Glock19Fan and I went shooting and I couldn't hit squat with the little 642, that got me to thinking "If I can't hit anything with it under a No Stress situation what the heck would happen in a real World, High Stress Encounter? No Thank You, don't want to be responsible for hitting an innocent with a stray round during a gun fight, I'd rather have something that I can shoot well and hit where I aim at even if it does have less power. I and only I am responsible for where my rounds go in a gun fight and if I don't feel comfortable enough with the gun I'm using to place rounds on target then it's time to get a different gun, something that I can actually shoot well and feel comfortable with.
IIRC you had a thread somewhere about fire cutting, and your concerns about it and you 642, not long after that you sold it... Now you are saying you cant shoot. It doesnt matter to me, heck I am for the most part on your side. Infact, thats what 90% of my post was saying, is I can relate. Or at least that was the intention.

Sorry, it was stress cracks. http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1404246. Point is your storry is similar each time. And its ok, no need to feel like you have to defend you habits or purchases to death. Just understand, once people catch on, you might catch some flak.

TN.Frank
05-31-2012, 14:25
IIRC you had a thread somewhere about fire cutting, and your concerns about it and you 642, not long after that you sold it... Now you are saying you cant shoot. It doesn't matter to me, heck I am for the most part on your side. In fact, thats what 90% of my post was saying, is I can relate. Or at least that was the intention

Nope, wasn't concerned at all about flame cutting of the top strap or cracked frames. Just didn't like the recoil out of such a light gun and couldn't hit squat with it. Don't care now nice a gun is if you can shoot it then it's just a glorified paperweight IMHO. This was my second J-Frame, the first being an M36, all steel gun. It was heavier and way more controllable then the Airweight 642. Guess I figured the 642 would be a lot like the M36 but it wasn't. So, there ya' go.

Nestor
05-31-2012, 14:26
I didn't read anything, Glock19Fan and I went shooting and I couldn't hit squat with the little 642, that got me to thinking "If I can't hit anything with it under a No Stress situation what the heck would happen in a real World, High Stress Encounter? No Thank You, don't want to be responsible for hitting an innocent with a stray round during a gun fight, I'd rather have something that I can shoot well and hit where I aim at even if it does have less power. I and only I am responsible for where my rounds go in a gun fight and if I don't feel comfortable enough with the gun I'm using to place rounds on target then it's time to get a different gun, something that I can actually shoot well and feel comfortable with.

So...was this for real?

I'm really lovin' my little 642, here's a pic of my first 5 shots out of the gun using Remington UMC, 158gr LRN ammo. Off hand at 3 yards, I put the 1st round into the bulleye but pulled the next two rounds low then got back on track for 4 and 5. First time out, first 5 shots and this little gun shoots like this after I'd not shot a snub nose DAO revolver in years, I'd say it'll be plenty accurate once I get some practice in.

themighty9mm
05-31-2012, 14:30
Nope, wasn't concerned at all about flame cutting of the top strap or cracked frames. Just didn't like the recoil out of such a light gun and couldn't hit squat with it. Don't care now nice a gun is if you can shoot it then it's just a glorified paperweight IMHO. This was my second J-Frame, the first being an M36, all steel gun. It was heavier and way more controllable then the Airweight 642. Guess I figured the 642 would be a lot like the M36 but it wasn't. So, there ya' go.
Uh huh, I bet...:upeyes:

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 14:32
Frank, you putting a can on that .380?

TN.Frank
05-31-2012, 15:14
Frank, you putting a can on that .380?

LOL, that would be sweet. I've seen the threaded barrels for it. There's also a local gun dealer that sells em', don't know if I'd want to do all the paper work and wait for one though.
Right now it's all I can do to get a set of loading dies and bullet mold and if that's not bad enough I can't find a source of free wheel weights to cast bullets anymore. One local place wants .50 cents per lb, another place where I got my last ones 12 years ago(didn't shoot much for a while there so a 5gal bucket lasted me quite a while) wants $60 bucks a 5gal bucket now.
Almost cheaper to just buy ready cast bullets rather then waste time making them anymore.
Ammo prices have gone sky high and if you load your own, as I do, primer and powder prices are up and now I can't find wheel weights. It's getting bad out there for us shooters, really bad.

ithaca_deerslayer
05-31-2012, 15:21
So...was this for real?

Sometimes the accuracy of a new gun fades as you learn to shoot it more.

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 15:37
LOL, that would be sweet. I've seen the threaded barrels for it. There's also a local gun dealer that sells em', don't know if I'd want to do all the paper work and wait for one though.
Right now it's all I can do to get a set of loading dies and bullet mold and if that's not bad enough I can't find a source of free wheel weights to cast bullets anymore. One local place wants .50 cents per lb, another place where I got my last ones 12 years ago(didn't shoot much for a while there so a 5gal bucket lasted me quite a while) wants $60 bucks a 5gal bucket now.
Almost cheaper to just buy ready cast bullets rather then waste time making them anymore.
Ammo prices have gone sky high and if you load your own, as I do, primer and powder prices are up and now I can't find wheel weights. It's getting bad out there for us shooters, really bad.

You could start your own business making them, you have the background. Just get the proper licensing.

joecoastie
05-31-2012, 16:15
So let me get this straight. A S&W 642 is ok but a Walther(who is now owned by S&W) is NOT ok. Just don't see the logic in that statement.
Many folks still like Walther, heck, quite a few here have bought PPQ's, PPK's, P99's and they'll quite happy with them.

Its not so much the actual Walthers, it seems to be the Umarex built guns that have other brands slapped on them that are sketchy. I have a Walther P22 (I believe actually Umarex) and its such a POS I wouldn't feel right selling it. I believe the Colt branded .22 LR M4 clone is Umarex and is pretty iffy as far as quality. While there are some good ones out there it seems to be a good rule of thumb to avoid Umarex products.

Nestor
05-31-2012, 16:54
Sometimes the accuracy of a new gun fades as you learn to shoot it more.

You may be onto something...who knows?

I've shot so much over my lifetime that I really only need to shoot to see where the sights are hitting. I'm JUST THAT GOOD.:whistling:

TxGun
05-31-2012, 17:07
Frank, when you see these previous posts of yours that seem to clearly contradict what you're saying now, is it any wonder that some decide to come back at you? Throw it in your face, so to speak?

Lesson: Everything you think and do doesn't neccessarily have to be posted on a forum.

Nestor
05-31-2012, 17:36
Frank, when you see these previous posts of yours that seem to clearly contradict what you're saying now, is it any wonder that some decide to come back at you? Throw it in your face, so to speak?

Lesson: Everything you think and do doesn't neccessarily have to be posted on a forum.

Very wise advice indeed.
There can be no confidence, without integrity.

Just didn't like the recoil out of such a light gun and couldn't hit squat with it.

It's not the recoil, recoil isn't much but it's the velociety of that small amount of recoil that really hits ya'.

Not that Frank will ever learn anything from all this BS.
He's very fast to judge the others, but will never see his own shortcomings and wrongdoings. Ever.

This just shows the character(or lack of) of some of the folks on the "other" forum by getting all critical of me for going from a snub nose 38spl to a mid size 380acp. Seems like they'd just be happy that I found something that I could shoot well. Oh well, don't plan on hanging out there much anymore anyway. XD Talk and Walther Forum will be my main haunts from here on out.

3rdgen40
05-31-2012, 18:44
WTF? Nine pages...does frank still have the same gun that he did when this thread started ?

tobias boon
05-31-2012, 19:04
I wouldn't bet on it.

faawrenchbndr
05-31-2012, 19:06
WTF? Nine pages...does frank still have the same gun that he did when this thread started ?

Who knows,......but I'll bet he's planning a trade for a Shield as we speak!

Nestor
05-31-2012, 19:11
After runing all those 8 rounds thru the gun there is a high probability that his love is no longer with Umarex.

FLIPPER 348
05-31-2012, 20:23
WTF? Nine pages...does frank still have the same gun that he did when this thread started ?


Nope, he 'swapped' his S&W revolver for a .380 auto made by an Airsoft company since the OP started this fine thread.


We should start a new thread about what he will dump the .380 for.
...perhaps start a pool on the date, $20 a square!

faawrenchbndr
05-31-2012, 20:27
That was the general theme when I started this,..........

I got dibs on a S&W Shield

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 20:31
DB 9mm

JaPes
05-31-2012, 20:34
That was the general theme when I started this,..........

I got dibs on a S&W Shield

Agreed, but chambered for which caliber? 9mm or 40 S&W?

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 20:38
Agreed, but chambered for which caliber? 9mm or 40 S&W?

No way Frank's going .40 :shakehead:

NeverMore1701
05-31-2012, 20:42
No way Frank's going .40 :shakehead:

M&P or XD of some flavor wouldn't surprise me. Maybe even a S&W 3rd gen.

FLIPPER 348
05-31-2012, 20:49
He will go back to a revolver and a 1911 soon.

JaPes
05-31-2012, 21:13
No way Frank's going .40 :shakehead:

I believe he once owned a Beretta PX4 Storm chambered in .40 S&W. He's been there. I'm just wondering when he'll come full circle.

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 21:20
I believe he once owned a Beretta PX4 Storm chambered in .40 S&W. He's been there. I'm just wondering when he'll come full circle.

Did he have any recoil issues? :whistling:

faawrenchbndr
05-31-2012, 21:25
Agreed, but chambered for which caliber? 9mm or 40 S&W?

9mm,........40 shoots too hard.

faawrenchbndr
05-31-2012, 21:28
I just realized,...........I'm such a fargin icehole! :quiet:

JaPes
05-31-2012, 21:43
I just realized,...........I'm such a fargin icehole! :quiet:

That may be, but you sure are not a Roman Maroni.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/suba-saab/Misc/41658_100000241249731_8834_n.jpg

:rofl:

Wil Ufgood
05-31-2012, 21:46
http://teevault.com/img/tees/img/n12/fargin_corksucker_t_shirt.jpg

Gregg702
05-31-2012, 22:10
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i279/BadReligion702/th_8fabeb9e.jpg

Camu Mahubah
05-31-2012, 22:37
Frank I read your reply to my earlier post. Dude you've seriously lost it if you think the Walther is a quality piece. You have sold or traded much better pieces. It may not be exactly a pocket gun but I don't see what else you would use it for. You dang sure ain't gonna shoot as many rounds out of it as a Glock and expect it to live.

The recoil of the .380 in that weapon is substantial. Just try and hit something with that thing past 7 feet!

Jankiest POS ever!

And that safety is backwards I don't care what you say! It ain't like no Beretta...you lying if you believe that...

I'm out...don't bother to reply...

Franky have fun with your janky piece...

Nakanokalronin
05-31-2012, 23:33
Frank I read your reply to my earlier post. Dude you've seriously lost it if you think the Walther is a quality piece. You have sold or traded much better pieces. It may not be exactly a pocket gun but I don't see what else you would use it for. You dang sure ain't gonna shoot as many rounds out of it as a Glock and expect it to live.

The recoil of the .380 in that weapon is substantial. Just try and hit something with that thing past 7 feet!

Jankiest POS ever!

And that safety is backwards I don't care what you say! It ain't like no Beretta...you lying if you believe that...

I'm out...don't bother to reply...

Franky have fun with your janky piece...

Whatever the quality of that PK380 is, the one I rented when looking for a gun for my aunt was surprisingly accurate with recoil that made me feel like I was shooting a .22lr. No jams either with the dirty rental piece and 100rds, just sayin'.

Nestor
06-01-2012, 05:29
The recoil of the .380 in that weapon is substantial. Just try and hit something with that thing past 7 feet!

The 380acp had plenty of power to take someone out of the fight with a head shot.


And that safety is backwards I don't care what you say! It ain't like no Beretta...you lying if you believe that...

Shhh...You know lies require commitment and Frank was very commited so far. On this we all may agree I guess.

TN.Frank
06-01-2012, 06:41
Whatever the quality of that PK380 is, the one I rented when looking for a gun for my aunt was surprisingly accurate with recoil that made me feel like I was shooting a .22lr. No jams either with the dirty rental piece and 100rds, just sayin'.

I think Camu Mahubah has the PK380 confused with the PPK. My experience with this gun has been the same as your's was with the rental gun. Recoil is very mild, accuracy is top notch and no malfunctions at all, not even a hiccup but I've only fired 17 rounds through it so far, still I"m not expecting any problems. The gun I got the gun from had fired hundreds of rounds through it without any problems at all.
Plenty of folks are perfectly happy with their Bryco, Jennings, Hi-Point, Kel-Tec firearms, I personally think the Walther/S&W/Umarex PK380 is better then any of em'.
I can't believe you guys have so much time to waste that you've actually gotten 10 pages on this subject.

faawrenchbndr
06-01-2012, 08:58
Uh,........you are posting on PAGE 10

Bryce, Jennings, Hi Point,...........my family's lives are worth just
a wee bit more than those POS paperweights!

It comes down to this,.......carry the BEST quality weapon you
can afford. Cheap will get you six feet deep!

BuckyP
06-01-2012, 09:00
I think Camu Mahubah has the PK380 confused with the PPK. My experience with this gun has been the same as your's was with the rental gun. Recoil is very mild, accuracy is top notch and no malfunctions at all, not even a hiccup but I've only fired 17 rounds through it so far, still I"m not expecting any problems. The gun I got the gun from had fired hundreds of rounds through it without any problems at all.
Plenty of folks are perfectly happy with their Bryco, Jennings, Hi-Point, Kel-Tec firearms, I personally think the Walther/S&W/Umarex PK380 is better then any of em'.
I can't believe you guys have so much time to waste that you've actually gotten 9 pages on this subject.

Is that a mistype, or do you only have 17 rounds through this gun? :dunno:

tobias boon
06-01-2012, 09:01
I wouldn't trade a PPK for three pk380's. On my local guntrader site there are always plenty of people trying to dump PK380's. They sit there for weeks until the sellers give up or sell them for $200 to gangbangers I assume. PPK's, if ever listed, sell asap.

faawrenchbndr
06-01-2012, 09:02
No mistake,.....17 rounds fired & it's ready for carry!
Mine get 300-500 before I will count on them.

Maybe I've been wasting ammo? :dunno:

tobias boon
06-01-2012, 09:09
No mistake,.....17 rounds fired & it's ready for carry!
Mine get 300-500 before I will count on them.

Maybe I've been wasting ammo? :dunno:

Wasting ammo and spending too much on guns. Get yourself into a highpoint .380, run a mag through it with some aguila IQ bullets and call it a day.

TN.Frank
06-01-2012, 11:12
Uh,........you are posting on PAGE 10


Umm, duhh, I know that but I couldn't see the page number when I went to post and GlockTalk locked up on me so I couldn't change it. I don't know why you have to act like such a jerk to me. What in hell did I ever do to you to warrant such a reaction out of you and a few others here on the sight?
Was it me changing my mind about guns I've owned, if that's it get the heck over it already. Dang bunch of drama addicts.

TN.Frank
06-01-2012, 11:14
Is that a mistype, or do you only have 17 rounds through this gun? :dunno:

I've only put 17 though it so far but the guy I got it from put a few hundred through it without any problems. I only got a box of 50 rounds with the gun, don't want to shoot them all up until I get my loading dies and bullet mold so I can load them back up and I'm NOT going to run out and pay $16 bucks a box of 50 for 380acp when I can load it with a home cast bullet for $2 bucks a box.

faawrenchbndr
06-01-2012, 11:36
Umm, duhh, I know that but I couldn't see the page number when I went to post and GlockTalk locked up on me so I couldn't change it. I don't know why you have to act like such a jerk to me. What in hell did I ever do to you to warrant such a reaction out of you and a few others here on the sight?
Was it me changing my mind about guns I've owned, if that's it get the f#ck over it already. Damn bunch of drama addicts.

It's a discussion board,.......I/we/they are discussing! If YOU do not care
for a topic, do not discuss! It's just that simple.

faawrenchbndr
06-01-2012, 11:38
I've only put 17 though it so far but the guy I got it from put a few hundred through it without any problems......


:faint:

Wil Ufgood
06-01-2012, 11:40
Hey Frank, you really need to run a minimum of 500rds through that gun. Make sure your mags and gun are up to snuff before you carry it. Relying on what someone else said is simply foolish.

faawrenchbndr
06-01-2012, 11:52
Hey Frank, you really need to run a minimum of 500rds through that gun. Make sure your mags and gun are up to snuff before you carry it. Relying on what someone else said is simply foolish.

And potentially deadly!
If the world's best ammunition is barely adequate, why would one
wish to carry "home cast bullets"?

FAITH: belief that is not based on proof

faawrenchbndr
06-01-2012, 11:58
Last post,......I'm done.

I'll pray you never have to use a weapon to protect your loved ones.
Your decisions and beliefs are border lining on insane!

Nestor
06-01-2012, 12:21
17 rounds thru Walther and 14 rounds thru XD.

From all I've read these guns will eat just about anything so I'm not really worried about it.

Of course he loves them :rofl:

Nestor
06-01-2012, 12:28
Damn bunch of drama addicts.

...and we are back to the piggy wars as I can see.
Nowadays Frank is crying for validation on the different forums...man you all over the internet crying out loud and you call us the "drama addicts" :rofl:

TN.Frank
06-01-2012, 12:50
17 rounds thru Walther and 14 rounds thru XD.


Shows what you know. Glock19Fan and I ran a box of 50 through the XD last weekend and it ran flawlessly.
I really wish you'd learn to keep your mouth shut about things of which you know nothing about. But then snide, rude comments are what I've come to expect from you Nestor.

Nestor
06-01-2012, 12:57
Thanks for the update Frank. Good to know that the round count on your XD is 64 now. Torture test indeed. Impressing.
Posting such a terrible amount of BS over such a long period of time, lying, calling people with names without the reason...may result in some rude comments at times...You know. Well, obviously not...but then anyway...who cares by now :wavey:

TN.Frank
06-01-2012, 13:03
Thanks for the update Frank. Good to know that the round count on your XD is 64 now. Torture test indeed. Impressing.
Plus however many hundreds of rounds the guy that owned it before me put through it. Gun was made in 2006 so I'm sure it's had more then a few rounds run down the bore.