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knedrgr
05-25-2012, 17:27
So I took the plunge and ordered this spring to see what the hoopla was all about. I installed it in my full size rail gun and went to the range. Only put about 25 rounds thru her w/o any issues. The recoil felt the similar as my Wolff 16 lbs spring. The WC is rated at 17 lbs. And the spring comes w/ a WC Bulletproof spring rod.



http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Flat-Wire-Recoil-Spring-Kit-Full-Size/productinfo/614/

Here are some comparison pictures between the WC vs. Wolff spring, and WC BP rod vs. EGW rod. The WC rod is proprietary and must be use w/ the FW spring. I'm going to run this set up for a while. Pretty happy with the purchase.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/aacd3088.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/b905b728.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/d73713b7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/11c34118.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/2431e42b.jpg

cuba
05-25-2012, 21:20
Why change the original spring rating and diameter, I wouldn't change my system, 17lb is over springing a 1911 as far as I'm concerned, if you need the extra power to return to battery there is something out off spec with your 1911, wonder if the extra space left in the dust cover using a smaller diameter spring will cause any problems, I think WC is trying to reinvent the wheel with this one.

Gary1911A1
05-26-2012, 00:04
Didn't know it came with it's own guild rod. I guess that partly explains the price. I gather from what Larry Vickers has written the flat spring allows for more slide travel in short 1911s' which helps to increase their reliability. He has a post on the M4 Forum under Ask Larry Section on this.

knedrgr
05-26-2012, 01:54
Why change the original spring rating and diameter, I wouldn't change my system, 17lb is over springing a 1911 as far as I'm concerned, if you need the extra power to return to battery there is something out off spec with your 1911, wonder if the extra space left in the dust cover using a smaller diameter spring will cause any problems, I think WC is trying to reinvent the wheel with this one.

Never said anything was wrong with my 1911. It shoots fine w/ both springs. I know the new spring only has 1/2 a box of ammo thru it, so that's not saying much. However, my gun still runs like a champ.

Service life is what I'm trying to go after. Not looking to replace my original spring every 3K rounds.

Space left in the dust cover? Please explain.

Jim Watson
05-26-2012, 05:18
I don't know how much good it does in a G.M. but I have shop made rods and Glock flatwire springs in a 4.5" Modified gun and a 3.5" OACP and they work very well.
I would definitely have one in the rather undersprung 4" Compact... if I owned one.

deadite
05-26-2012, 06:37
Why change the original spring rating and diameter, I wouldn't change my system, 17lb is over springing a 1911 as far as I'm concerned, if you need the extra power to return to battery there is something out off spec with your 1911, wonder if the extra space left in the dust cover using a smaller diameter spring will cause any problems, I think WC is trying to reinvent the wheel with this one.

Wilson knows a thing or two about 1911s....so does Cuong. ;)

cuba
05-26-2012, 11:27
Wilson knows a thing or two about 1911s....so does Cuong. ;)

Wilson might know a thing or two about 1911, but I think he also knows that there is a tinkering foul born every minute, he might love his job but he's in the business to sell parts.
Wilson also makes shock buffs, but I wouldn't use them either.
Now if you were to say JMB thats a different story, I think he knew ultimately all there is to know about 1911. :whistling:

cuba
05-26-2012, 11:29
Space left in the dust cover? Please explain.

Spring bind comes to mind.

faawrenchbndr
05-26-2012, 12:33
Wilson might know a thing or two about 1911, but I think he also knows that there is a tinkering foul born every minute, he might love his job but he's in the business to sell parts.
Wilson also makes shock buffs, but I wouldn't use them either.
Now if you were to say JMB thats a different story, I think he knew ultimately all there is to know about 1911. :whistling:


JMB did not know **** about a flat wound spring,......kinda like a few peps here. :whistling:
If it were available, 100 years ago, I'm sure it would have been used.

faawrenchbndr
05-26-2012, 12:35
I ran one on the Springer project gun for a bit.
Went back to a standard spring, the "new Glock sound" drove me nuts.

Glock_en_speil
05-26-2012, 19:34
Like many 1911 fans I think JMB was the greatest gun desinger that there ever was however if he were around today I'm sure he would have found ways to improve his masterpiece even further.

I've always been confused at how most of the 1911's modern day improvements are widely accepted while others are passonately argued against. For instance, very few if any 1911 enthusiasts will argue against lowered and flared ejection ports, skeletonized hammers and triggers, beavertail grip safetys or the virtually limitless choices we have for sights these days. NONE of these modern features were added by JMB yet they have gained wide acceptance.

Now whenever someone wants to talk about a full length guide rod war practically breaks out.:dunno:

Also, as a Wilson Combat enthusiast I can tell you that 17 lbs. is the standard weight of their recoil spring for all of their 5" 1911's whether the spring is the standard round type or flat. :supergrin:

Rinspeed
05-26-2012, 20:54
I'm not sure if the new ones have them but Sig has used a flat wire spring in the 239 for 15 years. $20 is a good deal seeing it comes with a barstock guide. Of course they lock you into buying another one of their springs when it comes time for a replacement.

knedrgr
05-27-2012, 02:23
Why change the original spring rating and diameter, I wouldn't change my system, 17lb is over springing a 1911 as far as I'm concerned, if you need the extra power to return to battery there is something out off spec with your 1911, wonder if the extra space left in the dust cover using a smaller diameter spring will cause any problems, I think WC is trying to reinvent the wheel with this one.

Spring bind comes to mind.


and how is that going to cause spring binding w/ the extra space in the dust cover?

knedrgr
05-27-2012, 02:25
I ran one on the Springer project gun for a bit.
Went back to a standard spring, the "new Glock sound" drove me nuts.

It's kind of blasphemy running a glock spring in a 1911, isn't it...
:embarassed:


:supergrin:

knedrgr
05-27-2012, 02:27
I don't know how much good it does in a G.M. but I have shop made rods and Glock flatwire springs in a 4.5" Modified gun and a 3.5" OACP and they work very well.
I would definitely have one in the rather undersprung 4" Compact... if I owned one.

You mean like this one? :supergrin:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/b0387fec.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/SA-Compact_solid-plug2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/SA-Compact_solid-plug.jpg

faawrenchbndr
05-27-2012, 11:41
It's kind of blasphemy running a glock spring in a 1911, isn't it...
:embarassed:


:supergrin:

Nothing wrong with teaching an old dog a new trick!

Brucev
05-27-2012, 13:38
JMB did not know **** about a flat wound spring,......kinda like a few peps here. :whistling:
If it were available, 100 years ago, I'm sure it would have been used.

Flat wire springs were used in the early 1930'2 development of the Gas Trap M-1 Garand. I am not sure how many coils the spring had. As finalized in development the M-1 Garand used a gas port design with a round wire spring of 220 coils. The early flat wire springs are now collector items worth big money.

faawrenchbndr
05-28-2012, 05:35
Flat wire springs were used in the early 1930'2 development of the Gas Trap M-1 Garand. I am not sure how many coils the spring had. As finalized in development the M-1 Garand used a gas port design with a round wire spring of 220 coils. The early flat wire springs are now collector items worth big money.

Very true,........but they were NOT available in 1910. :whistling:

knedrgr
05-28-2012, 11:35
Why change the original spring rating and diameter, I wouldn't change my system, 17lb is over springing a 1911 as far as I'm concerned, if you need the extra power to return to battery there is something out off spec with your 1911, wonder if the extra space left in the dust cover using a smaller diameter spring will cause any problems, I think WC is trying to reinvent the wheel with this one.


hmmm, yeah try telling that to Hilton Yam. What's that I see in the background of his India build 1911? Looks like a 17lbs spring.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576544_418165148216741_135835059783086_1328768_1007622012_n.jpg

cuba
05-28-2012, 19:17
hmmm, yeah try telling that to Hilton Yam. What's that I see in the background of his India build 1911? Looks like a 17lbs spring.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576544_418165148216741_135835059783086_1328768_1007622012_n.jpg


http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac210/Cuba1911/tin-foil-hat.jpg

knedrgr
05-28-2012, 19:51
Good one troll.

Still haven't backed up any of your claims about the spring being bad.

faawrenchbndr
05-28-2012, 19:57
Seems to be a crap load of atolls here lately.
Bad thing is, they seem to know nothing of what they think they do.

Wil Ufgood
05-28-2012, 20:55
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac210/Cuba1911/tin-foil-hat.jpg
http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/I-dont-understand-what-your-saying/2/Understand-Huh-Kitten.jpg

knedrgr
05-28-2012, 21:42
Seems to be a crap load of atolls here lately.
Bad thing is, they seem to know nothing of what they think they do.

Ain't that the truth.

This forum, or sub forum, needs more sustenance and less trolls.

MStarmer
05-29-2012, 10:54
I don't think there's any magic with springs one way or another. 5" 1911's run from 16-18.5 # springs, variable or standard, flat or round. Some may last a little longer, but I think it's one of those things that people over-think. If you shoot light loads use a lighter spring if you are shooting +P's then use a heavier. Hilton Yam on his website suggest 17lb standard spring.

1911Tuner
05-29-2012, 13:16
I gather from what Larry Vickers has written the flat spring allows for more slide travel in short 1911s'

Uh...

Vickers said that?

Slide travel is determined by the impact abutments in the slide and frame...not the spring.

Rinspeed
05-29-2012, 13:36
Uh...

Vickers said that?

Slide travel is determined by the impact abutments in the slide and frame...not the spring.




This is all I could find, I think his comment could be taken out of context. :dunno:




http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=105795

faawrenchbndr
05-29-2012, 13:54
That comment can be misunderstood.

cuba
05-29-2012, 15:39
Uh...

Vickers said that?

Slide travel is determined by the impact abutments in the slide and frame...not the spring.

I agree totally, my slide will travel the same distance with or with out the reaction spring, it stops at the abutment no more no less.

Just because Vickers said so doesn't make it so.

1911Tuner
05-31-2012, 04:32
I dunno. Unless Vickers was misquoted, that's a pretty straightforward declaration.

What the flat-wound spring does is provide X pounds of resistance at full slide travel without placing the coils as close together as a round wire spring of the same rating...extending the service life of the spring. If the slide is stopped by the spring...known as coil bind...all the impact is transferred to the bushing and the bushing lug and its raceway in the slide. Damage results, ranging from a broken bushing...deformed bushing lug...all the way to cracking the slide in the raceway. Bad JuJu.

About 10-12 years ago, a friend of mine destroyed a Combat Commander XSE slide when he dropped in a Wilson Combat 20-pound spring...labeled for the Commander...without checking for coil bind before he fired it.

The first indication that something was wrong was consistent last-round Bolt Over Base misfeeds. He went back to the stock spring, but the malfunction continued. 200 rounds or so later, the front of the slide let go.

Later, when I checked the spring in one of my Commanders, the spring was in coil bind, stopping the slide less than a 16th inch before it hit the impact abutment.