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tucojuanramirez
05-27-2012, 11:44
GOOOOOOOOD MORNING U.S.A. !! I'm Italian, and at first sorry for my very unpopular language in writing.
My next PISTOL! I'm sure I'm going to buy a revolver, but as soon as possible (before the end of the year) I want a 1911 !
In italy, gun shops aren't experienced with this gun ( perhaps a little 'more with beretta :supergrin: ).
But beretta is my brand, I live near the country of production of them.
I need some HELP from you, my dear people from beautiful U.S.A., for YOUR pistols, especially for the choice of a good 1911 model: COLT ? REMINGTON ?? SPRINGFIELD ??? KIMBER ????
WOW, the choice is very difficult. For your experience, which is the best one, one made better.
Only one thing: I'm not billionaire.

THANK YOU USA, GOD BLESS YOUR ARMED COUNTRY!

greetings from PizzaLand (but in italy pizza is very different from your, and also pasta...):supergrin::supergrin:

oldnoob
05-27-2012, 11:55
How about Valtro Firearm? Italian made 1911.

http://www.valtrousa.com/1988a145acp.html

http://www.valtrousa.com/photogallery/tisevaltromedium.jpg

tucojuanramirez
05-27-2012, 11:58
How about Valtro Firearm? Italian made 1911.

http://www.valtrousa.com/1988a145acp.html

http://www.valtrousa.com/photogallery/tisevaltromedium.jpg

IT'S THE FIRST time I hear this brand! Valtro... but now there is one more brand to the list... oh my god:upeyes:

Ajax27
05-27-2012, 12:00
Congratulations on your decision to purchase one of the finest firearms our country has conceived! I STRONGLY urge you to go with a Colt, not because any of the other guns you mentioned are inferior to it, but the Colt would be the way to go for your first classic American 1911. Happy shooping.

oldnoob
05-27-2012, 12:08
Wait till Bac jump into this thread. I'm sure he can point you the right way.

427
05-27-2012, 12:14
Colt:wavey:

tucojuanramirez
05-27-2012, 12:18
Congratulations on your decision to purchase one of the finest firearms our country has conceived! I STRONGLY urge you to go with a Colt, not because any of the other guns you mentioned are inferior to it, but the Colt would be the way to go for your first classic American 1911. Happy shooping.

THANK YOU SIR. I'm pretty convinced that is an investment, BUT from the point of view of mechanic of wich brand? Or have some band some issues?

tucojuanramirez
05-27-2012, 12:19
Colt:wavey:


best brand? issues? aftermarket? materials?

Danimal3805
05-27-2012, 12:41
I agree w/ Oldnoob. Bac wrote his own buyer's guide! :wow: The dude is legit 1911 crazy! :rofl: Just tell him how much you are willing to spend and he'll give you a handful of 1911's to choose from. I have been very pleased with my Rock Island Armory Tactical but it's a "Lower End" 1911 and made in the Phillipines. Hasn't jammed on me yet (when using quality mags) but for your fist 1911, get a real American one. IMHO:cool:

ponchsox
05-27-2012, 12:56
The Ruger SR1911 is one of the best values going.

M1A Shooter
05-27-2012, 13:05
i had a kimber lemon but know several who love them. my best luck was with the two springfield armory pistols i had.

if i were to buy one just for the sake of having one, maybe an investment or maybe an occasional shooter, i would probably go with a colt. they are the original.

JaPes
05-27-2012, 13:14
The Ruger SR1911 is one of the best values going.

:agree:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/suba-saab/Ruger%20SR1911/SR1911-1.jpg

It's not a super-tight finicky custom. It's not a sloppy mess either. It just works. It cycles the affordable Russian steel case ammo w/o issue.

tucojuanramirez
05-27-2012, 13:15
I agree w/ Oldnoob. Bac wrote his own buyer's guide! :wow: The dude is legit 1911 crazy! :rofl: Just tell him how much you are willing to spend and he'll give you a handful of 1911's to choose from. I have been very pleased with my Rock Island Armory Tactical but it's a "Lower End" 1911 and made in the Phillipines. Hasn't jammed on me yet (when using quality mags) but for your fist 1911, get a real American one. IMHO:cool:

I want a good pistol, I want a real war pistol at the range. issue make me sad! thank u for your opinion

tucojuanramirez
05-27-2012, 13:16
:agree:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/suba-saab/Ruger%20SR1911/SR1911-1.jpg

It's not a super-tight finicky custom. It's not a sloppy mess either. It just works. It cycles the affordable Russian steel case ammo w/o issue.

thank u for the deepening

tucojuanramirez
05-27-2012, 13:17
i had a kimber lemon but know several who love them. my best luck was with the two springfield armory pistols i had.

if i were to buy one just for the sake of having one, maybe an investment or maybe an occasional shooter, i would probably go with a colt. they are the original.


ok... so in your opinion springfield are good...

tucojuanramirez
05-27-2012, 13:18
The Ruger SR1911 is one of the best values going.


ruger . . . it's my coming soon revolver . . . the gp100 4" barrel, .357 mag, blued!
so sweet

recycooler
05-27-2012, 14:26
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll27/funkdrawer4/sti.jpg

STI spartan ,I have this one. Yep it's nice and under 700.00 parts made in Texas.:whistling:

Glockdude1
05-27-2012, 14:57
Springfield Mc Operator.

:thumbsup:

JuneyBooney
05-27-2012, 15:01
Colt:wavey:

I agree or Ed Brown if you want to spend even more.

Berto
05-27-2012, 15:06
I love my Kimber, but seeing as how you also are considering a Ruger GP100, get the Ruger 1911 to go with it.
Italy makes some excellent pistols, it will be cool having a few Yankee guns to go along with it.

fx77
05-27-2012, 15:09
If you can afford one:Wilson Combat U will never be disappointed and you can sell it used without much loss.

http://www.wilsoncombat.com/new/default.asp

crazymoose
05-27-2012, 15:09
STI makes excellent 1911's, and I believe that they sell pretty well in Europe and are used in competition shooting there.

fnfalman
05-27-2012, 17:21
Colt.

Buy anything else is like buying a Beretta not made by Beretta (for example, a Cougar made in Turkey).

gen2tegboi
05-27-2012, 17:30
The Ruger SR1911 is one of the best values going.

Is not much of a value since you can't even find it, and if you do you are gonna pay big buck because of the high demand and low supply.

RyanSBHF
05-27-2012, 19:19
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll27/funkdrawer4/sti.jpg

STI spartan ,I have this one. Yep it's nice and under 700.00 made in Texas.



I thought the Spartan was made by Armscor in the Philippines?

bac1023
05-27-2012, 19:39
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll27/funkdrawer4/sti.jpg

STI spartan ,I have this one. Yep it's nice and under 700.00 made in Texas.

I love the Spartan too. However, its built in the Philippines by Armscor using some STI small parts.

Its not built by STI in Texas.

Jason D
05-27-2012, 19:41
If it isn't a Colt, it's just a copy.

bac1023
05-27-2012, 19:41
GOOOOOOOOD MORNING U.S.A. !! I'm Italian, and at first sorry for my very unpopular language in writing.
My next PISTOL! I'm sure I'm going to buy a revolver, but as soon as possible (before the end of the year) I want a 1911 !
In italy, gun shops aren't experienced with this gun ( perhaps a little 'more with beretta :supergrin: ).
But beretta is my brand, I live near the country of production of them.
I need some HELP from you, my dear people from beautiful U.S.A., for YOUR pistols, especially for the choice of a good 1911 model: COLT ? REMINGTON ?? SPRINGFIELD ??? KIMBER ????
WOW, the choice is very difficult. For your experience, which is the best one, one made better.
Only one thing: I'm not billionaire.

THANK YOU USA, GOD BLESS YOUR ARMED COUNTRY!

greetings from PizzaLand (but in italy pizza is very different from your, and also pasta...):supergrin::supergrin:

Welcome, my friend :wavey:

What's your budget?

...by the way, forget Valtro. They are extremely hard to find and even if you do, prices are through the roof.

ratf51
05-27-2012, 21:10
ruger . . . it's my coming soon revolver . . . the gp100 4" barrel, .357 mag, blued!
so sweet

Welcome! You will enjoy the GP100. Good luck deciding on a 1911-- lots to chose from. Also, bac1023 gives good advice on this type of pistol. :wavey:

oldnoob
05-27-2012, 21:11
...by the way, forget Valtro. They are extremely hard to find and even if you do, prices are through the roof.

So how many Valtro do you have in you vault Bac? :supergrin:

Novocaine
05-27-2012, 21:42
I thought Valtro been out of production for a while? I saw John Jardine couple of weeks ago in a class (he is first rate shooter, btw) should've asked him. The gun was around $1300-1500 when you could preorder it in late nineties, probably $4-5K now. Wait was couple of years, it's one of the very few guns I'm kicking myself for not getting. Got to shoot one when they were still available and had extra cash at the time. Bummer.

OP, I would second Colt. There are better guns for the price but if you’re looking for the piece of Americana this is the gun to get.

tucojuanramirez
05-28-2012, 05:55
If it isn't a Colt, it's just a copy.


ahahahahah I've heard that somewhere ! ahahahahaahahahah

tucojuanramirez
05-28-2012, 06:00
Welcome, my friend :wavey:

What's your budget?

...by the way, forget Valtro. They are extremely hard to find and even if you do, prices are through the roof.

sorry if I reply late, but there is the time difference between usa and italy... and also a different money... my budget it's 800 - 900 $ !

too few for a good 1911 ??

tucojuanramirez
05-28-2012, 06:02
I thought Valtro been out of production for a while? I saw John Jardine couple of weeks ago in a class (he is first rate shooter, btw) should've asked him. The gun was around $1300-1500 when you could preorder it in late nineties, probably $4-5K now. Wait was couple of years, it's one of the very few guns I'm kicking myself for not getting. Got to shoot one when they were still available and had extra cash at the time. Bummer.

OP, I would second Colt. There are better guns for the price but if you’re looking for the piece of Americana this is the gun to get.

ok, another vote for colt

tucojuanramirez
05-28-2012, 06:05
hey BAC ! wow !
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m532/1911guide/000_0001s-2.jpg
hey BAC ! wow !
I've seen your tutorial !
it's cyclopean ! ! !

bac1023
05-28-2012, 06:09
I thought Valtro been out of production for a while? I saw John Jardine couple of weeks ago in a class (he is first rate shooter, btw) should've asked him. The gun was around $1300-1500 when you could preorder it in late nineties, probably $4-5K now. Wait was couple of years, it's one of the very few guns I'm kicking myself for not getting. Got to shoot one when they were still available and had extra cash at the time. Bummer.

OP, I would second Colt. There are better guns for the price but if you’re looking for the piece of Americana this is the gun to get.

Actually, I've seen them well over $5K now.

Its crazy.

bac1023
05-28-2012, 06:11
sorry if I reply late, but there is the time difference between usa and italy... and also a different money... my budget it's 800 - 900 $ !

too few for a good 1911 ??

Not at all.

How about a Springfield Range Officer?

bac1023
05-28-2012, 06:13
hey BAC ! wow !
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m532/1911guide/000_0001s-2.jpg
hey BAC ! wow !
I've seen your tutorial !
it's cyclopean ! ! !

:rofl:

Thanks

That pic makes me cringe everytime I see it and think about how much money I've got wrapped up in 1911s. ;)

38 Super Fan
05-28-2012, 08:50
Not at all.

How about a Springfield Range Officer?
I wonder what an RO would run in Italy? :dunno:

Lior
05-28-2012, 08:55
tacprod.com might still be representing Bul Transmark, in which case a nice Desert Eagle 1911 would serve you well.

bac1023
05-28-2012, 08:58
I wonder what an RO would run in Italy? :dunno:

Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. :dunno:

oldnoob
05-28-2012, 09:36
Is it possible to get a Sig 1911 in Italy? They have the new "Traditional" line now available. I'm a weirdo, I actually like their none traditional profile a lot.

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/1911-XO-detail-L.jpg

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/1911-Stainless-detail-L.jpg

tucojuanramirez
05-28-2012, 11:24
not at all.

How about a springfield range officer?

i'm sure i can find it!
Now i've got a starting point
thanks

tucojuanramirez
05-28-2012, 11:27
Is it possible to get a Sig 1911 in Italy? They have the new "Traditional" line now available. I'm a weirdo, I actually like their none traditional profile a lot.


mmm I'm not sure but...

I'm looking for!

thanks

tucojuanramirez
05-28-2012, 11:31
tacprod.com might still be representing Bul Transmark, in which case a nice Desert Eagle 1911 would serve you well.

I think it's difficult to find the brand of Desert Eagle in Italy... but out of curiosity I'm searching it in our tennesse, that is called "provincia di Brescia".
This country in Italy has a lot of story in firearms (.... I'm sure you know beretta, benelli, franchi - spas12 - , etc...)

recycooler
05-28-2012, 12:02
I love the Spartan too. However, its built in the Philippines by Armscor using some STI small parts.

Its not built by STI in Texas.

NOOOOOOOOOOO:crying::faint:
I was lied to by my LGS. Oh well I still like it!

Motor City Glocker
05-28-2012, 12:40
Chalk up another vote for Colt, the original manufacturer of the 1911.

tucojuanramirez
05-28-2012, 13:28
Chalk up another vote for Colt, the original manufacturer of the 1911.

now the colt is at the top of the list. a lot of vote, but bac's advice is important...:upeyes:

ZO6Vettever
05-28-2012, 14:05
I would say anything other than a Colt is like a Taurus PT92 replace a real Berretta.

bac1023
05-28-2012, 14:21
NOOOOOOOOOOO:crying::faint:
I was lied to by my LGS. Oh well I still like it!

Unfortunately, most employees at gun shops probably wouldn't even know they were lying.

I like Filipino 1911s, actually.

bac1023
05-28-2012, 14:24
Chalk up another vote for Colt, the original manufacturer of the 1911.

Colt 1911s are fine. I've got several.

However, you aren't getting the same value for your dollar as you do from some of the others in the same price range.

I like the older Colts from the 60's and before.

Jason D
05-28-2012, 15:43
Colt 1911s are fine. I've got several.

However, you aren't getting the same value for your dollar as you do from some of the others in the same price range.

I like the older Colts from the 60's and before.

Yeah, but you get to point at your Colt and say you have an original 1911.

bac1023
05-28-2012, 15:54
Yeah, but you get to point at your Colt and say you have an original 1911.

If you pick up a Colt from the 1912-1918 era, I can see that.

The modern Colts are just enhanced 1911A1s like everyone else offers.

bac1023
05-28-2012, 15:56
I would say anything other than a Colt is like a Taurus PT92 replace a real Berretta.

:rofl:

Unfortunately, unlike Taurus with the 92, many companies build far better 1911s than Colt does.

Not a good analogy

Wolfdad
05-28-2012, 22:10
STI Trojan and Springfield Range Officer are very fine 1911's.

bac1023
05-29-2012, 04:31
STI Trojan and Springfield Range Officer are very fine 1911's.

Yes they are :)

TSAX
05-29-2012, 04:55
:rofl:

Unfortunately, unlike Taurus with the 92, many companies build far better 1911s than Colt does.

Not a good analogy

STI Trojan and Springfield Range Officer are very fine 1911's.

:agree: STI has a very good trigger and SA did very well with the RO.








:50cal:

GWG19
05-29-2012, 10:37
I have the
Ruger SR 1911, a couple of Colts and a Springfield 1911.
I am shooting the Ruger a bunch right now.

I also just picked up a Ruger GP100. It is the Wiley Clapp model. 3 inch barrel, melt job on it. One sweet shooter.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-GP100WC.htm

Rinspeed
05-29-2012, 10:52
STI Trojan and Springfield Range Officer are very fine 1911's.





:thumbsup:

Kyle M.
05-29-2012, 11:04
Sig Sauer, Ruger, Kimber, S&W, or Para Ordnance. I've owned them all and they've all been good, though the sig has been the most accurate

fnfalman
05-29-2012, 11:41
In the end, there is only one: Colt.

Rally Vincent
05-29-2012, 12:16
Colt. Or a licenced copy. ;P
Heh.

ca survivor
05-29-2012, 16:41
IT'S THE FIRST time I hear this brand! Valtro... but now there is one more brand to the list... oh my god:upeyes:
God in the good USA is written with a CAPITAL "G" :steamed:

DaBurna
05-29-2012, 19:03
:rofl:

Thanks

That pic makes me cringe everytime I see it and think about how much money I've got wrapped up in 1911s. ;)

Hey BAC.. Have u ever owned an unreliable 1911, or regretted one you purchased?

joecoastie
05-29-2012, 19:16
God in the good USA is written with a CAPITAL "G" :steamed:

Not everyone has the same convictions that you do, get over yourself.

bac1023
05-29-2012, 20:03
Hey BAC.. Have u ever owned an unreliable 1911, or regretted one you purchased?

I had a Para Warthog that was a complete POS.

Also, I'm not sure how my AMT Hardballer would run. It was never fired, but they didn't have a good reputation.

glock2740
05-29-2012, 21:32
I'd highly recommend a Cabot.............:whistling:


:tongueout: :rofl: Welcome to GT! :wavey:

Good luck with you search. Take a look at BAC's guide that he composed. Could be very helpful. :cool:

bac1023
05-30-2012, 04:25
I'd highly recommend a Cabot.............:whistling:




:rofl:

prez1967
05-30-2012, 06:23
Wheres the Springfield love???

The Range Officer would be a great starting point! Being that your overseas, you may not be able to take advantage of their amazing customer service should you encounter any issues so i'd suggest looking for a pistol with a track record of reliability and build quality... I dont have any experience with STI but all 5 of the Springers i own (4 bought used) have run without issue on many differernt makes of ammo.

Im not sure which firearm brands you have access to over there, or how the gun laws go, but you really cant go wrong with Springfield over here... Its like buying a Honda.

bac1023
05-30-2012, 06:37
Wheres the Springfield love???

The Range Officer would be a great starting point! Being that your overseas, you may not be able to take advantage of their amazing customer service should you encounter any issues so i'd suggest looking for a pistol with a track record of reliability and build quality... I dont have any experience with STI but all 5 of the Springers i own (4 bought used) have run without issue on many differernt makes of ammo.

Im not sure which firearm brands you have access to over there, or how the gun laws go, but you really cant go wrong with Springfield over here... Its like buying a Honda.

The Springfield RO was my first suggestion.

Glockdude1
05-30-2012, 06:56
Colt. Or a licenced copy. ;P
Heh.

Colt is a copy of a Browning. :tongueout:

ca survivor
05-30-2012, 06:56
Not everyone has the same convictions that you do, get over yourself.
He must have the same "convictions" if he wants a 1911, the preferred sidearm of God.

Clutch Cargo
09-05-2012, 05:55
Based on your budget I say Colt. Keep in mind Springfield because they have been building 1911's for a LONG time.

The only problem I can see is the budget. The Euro is down on the exchange rate with the dollar. This could easily add $100 or more to the sales price.

Good luck in your quest for John Browning's masterpiece.

mgs
09-05-2012, 09:29
I have a Colt GC but a new Remington would be cool too.

tucojuanramirez
09-06-2012, 05:01
I have a Colt GC but a new Remington would be cool too.

thank u!

tucojuanramirez
09-06-2012, 05:02
The Springfield RO was my first suggestion.

spriengfield is very cute

s&wfan
09-06-2012, 12:50
So, what is the process to buying a 1911 in Italy? Do you have to go through a lot of trouble?

Are you allowed to carry your firearm with you?

tucojuanramirez
09-06-2012, 14:35
So, what is the process to buying a 1911 in Italy? Do you have to go through a lot of trouble?

Are you allowed to carry your firearm with you?

oh no, it's very simple!
all citizens with a valid gun license can buy a firearm! also a 1911! But concealed carry is permitted only with a special gun license, only for some particular jobs or if one has received death threats!

rahager2u
10-26-2012, 16:36
I've owned colts' good sidearm and have daddy's old colt I don't shoot much, have owned ria a1 excellent gun for price, older kimbers are good weapons stay away from new ones for the same reason all my sigs are pre 2000 I carry "92" p220 sig over 3000 rounds never an issue.

SpringerTGO
10-26-2012, 16:43
He must have the same "convictions" if he wants a 1911, the preferred sidearm of God.

Maybe your god prefers 1911's. Mine told me last night he is happy with his old school Sig P210.

SLO1911Fan
10-26-2012, 17:42
I'm actually going against the trend. I would recommend a Springfield Loaded or a Kimber. I have a kimber and I've had excellent luck with it after the break in period. The springfield feels more solid, but the fit and finish on the Kimber feels nicer.

ChicagoZman
10-26-2012, 18:49
Have had great success with Kimber and would highly recommend them. I've also had excellent feedback from customers who have purchased Springfield Range Officers. On the other hand, I have yet to see a Ruger that had a decent slide to frame fit.

fnfalman
10-26-2012, 18:56
Maybe your god prefers 1911's. Mine told me last night he is happy with his old school Sig P210.

Buddha told me that the Smith&Wesson Triple Lock in .44 Special is the ultimate combat handgun.

fnfalman
10-26-2012, 18:59
Colt is a copy of a Browning. :tongueout:

Huh?

Browning was a paid employee of Colt. Ergo the gun's design belonged to Colt. Actually the gun design belonged to Uncle Sam, but Colt was the original manufacturer and still is.

Fwdftw
10-26-2012, 19:23
I must say..im not a 1911 guy...but i get a chub when i look at sig tac 1911s..

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*ASH*
10-26-2012, 19:29
I agree or Ed Brown if you want to spend even more.

ED has nice guns but is a dick head prick . ive heard from many many people . you can even see some videos of him on youtube where he is just a prick . id take a LES baer anyday over ED .

*ASH*
10-26-2012, 19:39
colts are over rated . if i was to get one it would old one . they have gone down hill in last 10 years . you cant live on reputations forever .

i was happy when they were coming out with the colt delta again , and they produced that abomination ?:rofl::rofl:

just because its original makes it no better in any case at all .

fnfalman
10-26-2012, 20:37
colts are over rated . if i was to get one it would old one . they have gone down hill in last 10 years . you cant live on reputations forever .

i was happy when they were coming out with the colt delta again , and they produced that abomination ?:rofl::rofl:

just because its original makes it no better in any case at all .

Yeah, tell that to the USMC Recon who just adopted the XSE Rail Gun.

Colts are for fighting, the rest are for posing.

joerenew
10-27-2012, 06:45
If you are looking in the 1500-2000 range look for a used Wilson they will fix it for life and even a used gun can be made like new relatively cheap

Rustin
10-27-2012, 07:18
Yeah, tell that to the USMC Recon who just adopted the XSE Rail Gun.

Colts are for fighting, the rest are for posing.


I distinctly remember seeing those very same Colts with cracked frame rails.:whistling:

.

I would say go for the Springfield Loaded or Range officer. An excellent bang for the buck. The Ruger would go great with your GP 100 though...

Good luck.

themighty9mm
10-27-2012, 10:26
Had a kimber that never woul cycle a full mag. Had a springfeild milspec that was flawless, same with a colt xps.
Colt or springfeild is what I would recommend

rkwrichard
10-27-2012, 10:34
Buy a Colt, Springfield, Ruger or Remington any of these guns in the configuration and price range you want to pay. You will not go wrong with any of them..

Rinspeed
10-27-2012, 11:28
Had a kimber that never woul cycle a full mag.


What did you do with it.

themighty9mm
10-27-2012, 12:58
What did you do with it.
Started with some phone calls to kimber that only frusterated me further. They diddnt seem to care much. Told me to put 500 rounds through it. The phone call came after 600. They still said to put more through it. Ended up selling it for a signifigant loss. The buyer knew full good and well what he was up against.

BobCZ
10-27-2012, 19:57
Don't make the likes of Ruger or Remington be your first or only 1911.

mgentry
10-28-2012, 08:50
Here is a nice Colt - http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l614/b52_driver/pix059273514.jpg

Rinspeed
10-28-2012, 09:13
Yeah, tell that to the USMC Recon who just adopted the XSE Rail Gun.

Colts are for fighting, the rest are for posing.



:rofl: :rofl:




You do know that all of the test guns were junk after only 12,000 rounds don't you. :upeyes:




http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/Colt-3.jpg



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/Colt-2.jpg





http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/Colt-1.jpg

Clutch Cargo
10-28-2012, 09:23
Valtro looks interesting. I'd have to do a search on how well they function. They make an interesting pump shotgun:
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/313476000/313476669/pix823704360.jpg
Ruger is an excellent value. I personally own an older Springfield Champion and a Springfield LW Compact Gunsite Service Pistol. I've Kimber can be hit or miss with function. Good luck with your quest.

mastrbloata
10-28-2012, 12:09
The Ruger SR1911 is one of the best values going. Wouldn't that be funny if he found one in Italy before I find one here?

Queen Bee
10-28-2012, 12:40
Here is your new 1911... that you can actually afford to shoot:)

im thinking about buying one

GSG 1911 .22

http://ximages.wholesalehunter.com/prodpics/1000030.jpg