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rgregoryb
05-28-2012, 08:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd <http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd>

way to go RCC!

Vic Hays
05-28-2012, 09:40
It is good to see that the RCC is breaking away from its past tradition of denying religious liberty to other faiths and becoming a supporter of religious liberty.

Hmmm. I guess it is upholding religious liberty for itself. I wonder if they would do the same for others.

rgregoryb
05-28-2012, 14:47
It is good to see that the RCC is breaking away from its past tradition of denying religious liberty to other faiths and becoming a supporter of religious liberty.

Hmmm. I guess it is upholding religious liberty for itself. I wonder if they would do the same for others.

some how I think they would.........

GAFinch
05-28-2012, 15:52
It can easily be applied to all religious and/or limited government people. Whenever and wherever far left movements gain power, they almost always go after Christianity, especially religious schools and hospitals. They can use force or they can use laws that alter moral beliefs enough to make them give up, so the federal government can then step in and take over the institutions. For the secular left, government knows best and should therefore run everything. The contraception issue, limited mainly to the RCC, is a wedge issue to divide Christians and take out the big group first, before moving on to schools and organizations run by Protestants, Orthodox Jews, etc.

Kingarthurhk
05-28-2012, 19:57
some how I think they would.........

Or not...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread829953/pg1

Tilley
05-28-2012, 22:06
Or not...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread829953/pg1

Shirley you jest...

Tilley
05-28-2012, 22:08
It is good to see that the RCC is breaking away from its past tradition of denying religious liberty to other faiths and becoming a supporter of religious liberty.

Hmmm. I guess it is upholding religious liberty for itself. I wonder if they would do the same for others.

You scare me sometimes Vic...

If you keep this up I won't let you go down Fred's house anymore! :whistling:

Vic Hays
05-28-2012, 22:25
You scare me sometimes Vic...

If you keep this up I won't let you go down Fred's house anymore! :whistling:

Do you think the RCC would support freedom of religion for other faiths ?

Roering
05-29-2012, 11:10
Do you think the RCC would support freedom of religion for other faiths ?

Already have.

Vic Hays
05-29-2012, 14:59
Already have.

We believe in religious liberty and have a department that will give religious aid to any denomination.

http://www.adventist.org/mission-and-service/religious-liberty.html

"Since 1901, the Department of Public Affairs and Religious Liberty (PARL) has represented the Seventh-day Adventist Church to governments, religious bodies, and international organizations. By supporting, protecting and defending religious freedom and human rights for all people everywhere, "

Tilley
05-29-2012, 23:20
Do you think the RCC would support freedom of religion for other faiths ?

When was the last time you have EVER heard the RCC berate another religion?

Now let's talk about SDA...

...RCC in the whore of Babylon...

...the pope is the Antichrist...

Brucev
05-30-2012, 05:13
Re: OP. Good presentation. If someone else doesn't like it, they need to develop funding and produce their own presentation.

rgregoryb
05-30-2012, 06:29
When was the last time you have EVER heard the RCC berate another religion?

Now let's talk about SDA...

...RCC in the whore of Babylon...

...the pope is the Antichrist...

and yet the SDA has a strong presence at the Vatican, and works hand in hand with the UN

Kingarthurhk
05-30-2012, 08:08
When was the last time you have EVER heard the RCC berate another religion?

Now let's talk about SDA...

...RCC in the whore of Babylon...

...the pope is the Antichrist...

Now let's talk about RCC

...Judiazer

....Heretic

....Cult

Kingarthurhk
05-30-2012, 08:08
and yet the SDA has a strong presence at the Vatican, and works hand in hand with the UN

Link?

Roering
05-30-2012, 09:57
and yet the SDA has a strong presence at the Vatican, and works hand in hand with the UN

Can you provide some examples?

rgregoryb
05-30-2012, 16:18
http://libertytothecaptives.net/seventh-day_un.html


http://www.seventh-day.org/sda-papacy.htm

rgregoryb
05-30-2012, 16:39
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/council-churches-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20030519_final-communique_en.html


5th paragraph.....who knew SDA was a member of the WCC?

rgregoryb
05-30-2012, 16:51
and speaking of the WCC:

Purpose
The WCC understands itself as a fellowship of churches, and from the outset the search for the visible unity of the churches has been at the heart of the WCC. The constitutional purpose of the fellowship of churches in WCC is "to call one another to the goal of visible unity in one faith and in one eucharistic fellowship expressed in worship and in common life in Christ, and to advance towards that unity in order that the world may believe."

Seems as though the SDA is in bed with some shady groups, while claiming to be the remnant church

http://www.oikoumene.org/en/handbook/global-bodies-and-mission-communions/wcc.html

on left side of page, click on "member churches"

Working on programs with the RCC........how about that?
and yes I know that RCC is not a member of the WCC but they have clergy assigned to the WCC working on behest of the Pope

Tilley
05-30-2012, 17:27
Now let's talk about RCC

...Judiazer

....Heretic

....Cult

No I'm pretty sure that was Fred or Vic...:tongueout:

So it is your contention that the RCC referred to SDA as such? Please cite.

Kingarthurhk
05-30-2012, 17:30
http://libertytothecaptives.net/seventh-day_un.html

http://libertytothecaptives.net/cslewis_fruits.html

This is the same site that states C.S. Lewis is evil, and so is Billy Graham. They also say the fictional book series "Left Behind" is real. So, you found so lunatics that don't know what on earth they are saying. Any port in a storm?:upeyes:



http://www.seventh-day.org/sda-papacy.htm[/QUOTE]

This guy isn't even an SDA. Here is the link to his church:

http://www.stlouischurches.org/New-Horizon-7th-Day-Christian-Church-2657.html

Further, in addition to your second link is this:

http://www.adventistreview.org/2001-1545/story1.html

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now the rest of the story..."

You sure you were an invesitgator?:shocked:

Kingarthurhk
05-30-2012, 17:31
No I'm pretty sure that was Fred or Vic...:tongueout:

So it is your contention that the RCC referred to SDA as such? Please cite.


Sure, Bert, Creaky, and then there was the other angry guy who disappeared.

rgregoryb
05-30-2012, 17:50
http://libertytothecaptives.net/cslewis_fruits.html

This is the same site that states C.S. Lewis is evil, and so is Billy Graham. They also say the fictional book series "Left Behind" is real. So, you found so lunatics that don't know what on earth they are saying. Any port in a storm?:upeyes:




This guy isn't even an SDA. Here is the link to his church:

http://www.stlouischurches.org/New-Horizon-7th-Day-Christian-Church-2657.html

Further, in addition to your second link is this:

http://www.adventistreview.org/2001-1545/story1.html

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now the rest of the story..."

You sure you were an invesitgator?:shocked:[/QUOTE]

as an investigator you look at ALL the evidence, ALL the evidence whether it supports your presuppositions or not.

So, the SDA is not a member of the WCC working on the Joint Committee on Worship along with Papal delegates? The attendance records say otherwise.

Tilley
05-30-2012, 19:08
Sure, Bert, Creaky, and then there was the other angry guy who disappeared.

Well...uhhh...I guess you got me there! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Schabesbert
05-31-2012, 07:44
Sure, Bert, Creaky, and then there was the other angry guy who disappeared.

And St. Paul. Don't forget St. Paul, who called Judaisers, well, Judaisers.

Roering
05-31-2012, 10:05
http://libertytothecaptives.net/seventh-day_un.html


http://www.seventh-day.org/sda-papacy.htm

Getting to meet the Pope is not what I would call a "strong presence" in the Vatican.:rofl:

rgregoryb
05-31-2012, 12:34
Getting to meet the Pope is not what I would call a "strong presence" in the Vatican.:rofl:

c'mon man, let me screw with the SDA folks.................:wavey:

Roering
05-31-2012, 14:06
c'mon man, let me screw with the SDA folks.................:wavey:

Sorry

Kingarthurhk
05-31-2012, 16:20
Well...uhhh...I guess you got me there! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Ah, yes, the other fellow was W56.

Kingarthurhk
05-31-2012, 16:21
This guy isn't even an SDA. Here is the link to his church:

http://www.stlouischurches.org/New-Horizon-7th-Day-Christian-Church-2657.html

Further, in addition to your second link is this:

http://www.adventistreview.org/2001-1545/story1.html

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now the rest of the story..."

You sure you were an invesitgator?:shocked:

as an investigator you look at ALL the evidence, ALL the evidence whether it supports your presuppositions or not.

So, the SDA is not a member of the WCC working on the Joint Committee on Worship along with Papal delegates? The attendance records say otherwise.[/QUOTE]


You presented no evidence, no even anything circumstantial.

rgregoryb
06-01-2012, 07:11
as an investigator you look at ALL the evidence, ALL the evidence whether it supports your presuppositions or not.

So, the SDA is not a member of the WCC working on the Joint Committee on Worship along with Papal delegates? The attendance records say otherwise.


You presented no evidence, no even anything circumstantial.[/QUOTE]

I presented 2 sources regarding the SDA working on the Joint Committee on Worship along with Papal reps. at the WCC, you have to read the material to understand the material.
You can't call the RCC the "whore of Babylon" at one time and then work hand in hand with them at another time. I think that's called hypocrisy.

rgregoryb
06-01-2012, 07:13
The representatives of the WCC and the Catholic Church met separately for a brief time for some specific orientation, then moved into full plenary to share some significant developments in the lives of the WCC and the Catholic Church since the last meeting. The WCC representatives reported on the results of the Special Commission on the Relations with the Orthodox Churches, and the celebration of the 75th anniversary of Faith and Order held in Lausanne in 2002 and shared the plans thus far for future world events such as the Faith and Order Plenary (2004), the Conference on World Mission and Evangelism (2005) and the next Assembly of the WCC itself (2006). The representatives from the Catholic Church reported on the wide scope of bilateral relations and dialogues between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, Reformed, Mennonite, Pentecostal and Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) as well as consultations with the Seventh Day Adventists and Evangelicals.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/council-churches-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20030519_final-communique_en.html

Vic Hays
06-01-2012, 08:58
You presented no evidence, no even anything circumstantial.

I presented 2 sources regarding the SDA working on the Joint Committee on Worship along with Papal reps. at the WCC, you have to read the material to understand the material.
You can't call the RCC the "whore of Babylon" at one time and then work hand in hand with them at another time. I think that's called hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]

RG,
Dialogue is hardly working hand in hand. Besides this it is the outworking of iniquity that tends to insinuate itself into all of the churches. That is why my loyalty is to Christ and His Word first above all else.

Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.
24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits to God and to the Lamb.
14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Kingarthurhk
06-01-2012, 15:35
The representatives of the WCC and the Catholic Church met separately for a brief time for some specific orientation, then moved into full plenary to share some significant developments in the lives of the WCC and the Catholic Church since the last meeting. The WCC representatives reported on the results of the Special Commission on the Relations with the Orthodox Churches, and the celebration of the 75th anniversary of Faith and Order held in Lausanne in 2002 and shared the plans thus far for future world events such as the Faith and Order Plenary (2004), the Conference on World Mission and Evangelism (2005) and the next Assembly of the WCC itself (2006). The representatives from the Catholic Church reported on the wide scope of bilateral relations and dialogues between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, Reformed, Mennonite, Pentecostal and Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) as well as consultations with the Seventh Day Adventists and Evangelicals.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/council-churches-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20030519_final-communique_en.html

You have to understand the culture of the SDA to get it. The SDA have endorsed the position of religious freedom (which I support whole heartedly) and pacifism, (which I reject). So, based on those principals they are doing the best they can to push for religious freedom and also tacitly saying, "You don't want to slaughter us like you did our forefathers in protestanism, right?"

I don't ask permission to live in peace. I live peaceably until given a valid reason for self-preservation and that of the innocent bistandard to not live peaceably.