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Vic Hays
06-05-2012, 09:07
The Millennium or one thousand years has baffled most people and been the source of a myriad of fanciful interpretations of the Bible.

The purpose of the Millennium is that God's justice be recognized. Mankind is not alone being accused by the accuser of the brethren. When Jesus stepped in to save man, he also took humanity upon Himself.

1. During the Millennium there are two classes of people. There are the living who have been saved and there are the dead awaiting judgment in their graves. Those raised in the first Resurrection judge those who are still dead. Yes, that is what the Bible says, " judgment was given to them".

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

2. Paul and Daniel wrote about the saints judging the world and even the fallen angels.

I Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
6:3 Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

3. Why if God already separated them with two separate Resurrections are the saints included in the judgment?

It is basic justice that all have their day in court. God is just. Judgment has several phases. Accused, investigated, charged, tried, and execution of judgment.
The books are opened for all to see. God's ways will be vindicated. Nothing will be hidden. God's ways are just and True and He includes His trusted saints with Him.

Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
12:3 Therefore, whatever ye have spoken in darkness, shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets, shall be proclaimed upon the house-tops.

Geko45
06-05-2012, 09:46
To provide a psycholigcal incentive to individuals such that they will stay in the church and thereby support the system. Sort of a millenial carrot to offset the stick of hell.

Vic Hays
06-05-2012, 12:22
To provide a psycholigcal incentive to individuals such that they will stay in the church and thereby support the system. Sort of a millenial carrot to offset the stick of hell.

The Millinneum comes after the second coming of Christ.
Some people would choose to hide rather than accept that they are sinners in need of a Savior. They definitely will want to hide.

Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every slave, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Geko45
06-05-2012, 12:58
The Millinneum comes after the second coming of Christ.
Some people would choose to hide rather than accept that they are sinners in need of a Savior. They definitely will want to hide.

I know what it is, I've read the bible cover to cover. My point is still valid. People want to believe that there is a chance that they will not have to endure death. That's why every generation wants to believe that the end times are imminent.

Being swooped up to be with an all loving god and getting to spend a thousand years on a perfect Earth is much less frightening than knowing that one day your body will just shut down and you'll slip into nothingness.

Of course, wanting something to be true has absolutely no effect on it whether it is true.

Vic Hays
06-05-2012, 15:13
I know what it is, I've read the bible cover to cover. My point is still valid. People want to believe that there is a chance that they will not have to endure death. That's why every generation wants to believe that the end times are imminent.

Being swooped up to be with an all loving god and getting to spend a thousand years on a perfect Earth is much less frightening than knowing that one day your body will just shut down and you'll slip into nothingness.

Of course, wanting something to be true has absolutely no effect on it whether it is true.

Those are not the reasons I believe.

The Millennium is not spent on earth by the saved. They are in the Holy City. I agree that there are a number that expect the New Jerusalem to be on earth, but not during the Millenneum.

When the thousand years expire the second resurrection occurs. The New Jerusalem descends to earth and those who come up in the second resurrection attack the city. They continue to show the principles of satan which is control by force.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

FCoulter
06-05-2012, 15:19
The Millennium or one thousand years has baffled most people and been the source of a myriad of fanciful interpretations of the Bible.

The purpose of the Millennium is that God's justice be recognized. Mankind is not alone being accused by the accuser of the brethren. When Jesus stepped in to save man, he also took humanity upon Himself.

1. During the Millennium there are two classes of people. There are the living who have been saved and there are the dead awaiting judgment in their graves. Those raised in the first Resurrection judge those who are still dead. Yes, that is what the Bible says, " judgment was given to them".

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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ok let's take this one step at a time.

You claim.

"During the Millennium there are two classes of people. There are the living who have been saved and there are the dead awaiting judgment in their graves."

The Bible verse you gave does not support this.

The verse you gave does say.those people that endure to the end and obey God will live and reign with Christ (during the Millenium) 1,000 yrs.

Now according to you only two types of people will be here during the 1,000 yr. the ones with Christ and those that are dead.

My question is who are Christ and the saints reigning over during this 1,000 yrs if everyone but the saints and Christ are dead?

I'll wait for your resonse before using scripture to teach you the truth.

Roering
06-05-2012, 16:28
Initially it was used to smuggle cargo through Emperial checkpoints but from what we have seen it has been predominantly used as a fighter for the Rebel Alliance.

GreenDrake
06-05-2012, 16:35
Initially it was used to smuggle cargo through Emperial checkpoints but from what we have seen it has been predominantly used as a fighter for the Rebel Alliance.

WINNA!!!!!! LOL :rofl:

Vic Hays
06-05-2012, 16:46
ok let's take this one step at a time.

You claim.

"During the Millennium there are two classes of people. There are the living who have been saved and there are the dead awaiting judgment in their graves."

The Bible verse you gave does not support this.

The verse you gave does say.those people that endure to the end and obey God will live and reign with Christ (during the Millenium) 1,000 yrs.

Now according to you only two types of people will be here during the 1,000 yr. the ones with Christ and those that are dead.

My question is who are Christ and the saints reigning over during this 1,000 yrs if everyone but the saints and Christ are dead?

I'll wait for your resonse before using scripture to teach you the truth.

First of all Revelation 20 is quite specific as to who comes up in the first resurrection. It is not "those that endure to the end and obey God".

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Secondly the Bible makes it clear that these are those in the first resurrection. There are two resurrection, those saved in the Resurrection of life and those lost in the Resurrection of damnation.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.



Third your question shows that you are not aware that God's kingdom is unlike the kingdoms of this earth.
Authority and power are not the attributes of heaven as far as reigning go.

Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them to him, and said, You know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority on them.
20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
20:27 And whoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

Fourth, there is no text that says the saints will be reigning over other people during the thousand years. The saints are co-regents with Christ just as right now all believers are priests.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

FCoulter
06-05-2012, 17:25
First of all Revelation 20 is quite specific as to who comes up in the first resurrection. It is not "those that endure to the end and obey God".

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Secondly the Bible makes it clear that these are those in the first resurrection. There are two resurrection, those saved in the Resurrection of life and those lost in the Resurrection of damnation.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.



Third your question shows that you are not aware that God's kingdom is unlike the kingdoms of this earth.
Authority and power are not the attributes of heaven as far as reigning go.

Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them to him, and said, You know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority on them.
20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
20:27 And whoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

Fourth, there is no text that says the saints will be reigning over other people during the thousand years. The saints are co-regents with Christ just as right now all believers are priests.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Wow whitism as messed with your reasoning.

Its so twisted that I wonder if I should straighten it out.

Lets look at a few things.

First just prior to the 1,000 yrs beginning we see.

Rev.20:3*And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Notice satan is shut up and bound, why?

So he cant decieve the nations.. If they are either with Christ or dead there would be no nations to decieve.

7*And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8*And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

After the 1,000 yrs you just read satan is released. Why?

To decieve the nations!

If all were with Christ or dead who are in the nations to be decieved?

Do you really want me to go on and show you how wrong EW teachings are?

Do you want me to exposed the flawed invest. Judgement?

I dont understand the vanity that you express oveR and over again when shown the truth but instead of admitting you were lied to and repenting,you choose to post more from sda tracts.

The Bible is clear,

Romans 8:7*Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.

juggy4711
06-05-2012, 18:59
WINNA!!!!!! LOL :rofl:

Best answer possible :rofl:

Kingarthurhk
06-05-2012, 19:25
ok let's take this one step at a time.

You claim.

"During the Millennium there are two classes of people. There are the living who have been saved and there are the dead awaiting judgment in their graves."

The Bible verse you gave does not support this.

The verse you gave does say.those people that endure to the end and obey God will live and reign with Christ (during the Millenium) 1,000 yrs.

Now according to you only two types of people will be here during the 1,000 yr. the ones with Christ and those that are dead.

My question is who are Christ and the saints reigning over during this 1,000 yrs if everyone but the saints and Christ are dead?

I'll wait for your resonse before using scripture to teach you the truth.

1 Corinthians 15:20-25, "But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28739AI))'></sup> the firstfruits <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28739AJ))'></sup> of those who have fallen asleep. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28739AK))'></sup><sup class="versenum">21 </sup>For since death came through a man, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AL (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28740AL))'></sup> the resurrection of the dead <sup class="crossreference" value='(AM (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28740AM))'></sup> comes also through a man. <sup class="versenum">22 </sup>For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AN (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28741AN))'></sup><sup class="versenum">23 </sup>But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; <sup class="crossreference" value='(AO (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28742AO))'></sup> then, when he comes, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AP (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28742AP))'></sup> those who belong to him. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AQ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28742AQ))'></sup><sup class="versenum">24 </sup>Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom <sup class="crossreference" value='(AR (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28743AR))'></sup> to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AS (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28743AS))'></sup><sup class="versenum">25 </sup>For he must reign <sup class="crossreference" value='(AT (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28744AT))'></sup> until he has put all his enemies under his feet. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AU (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28744AU))'></sup><sup class="versenum">26 </sup>The last enemy to be destroyed is death."

Jesus is the First Fruit. This is how He fufilled the feast of the First Fruit, btw.

2 Peter 3:10-13 "<sup class="versenum">10 </sup>But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. <sup class="crossreference" value='(S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30533S))'></sup>The heavens will disappear with a roar; <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30533T))'></sup> the elements will be destroyed by fire, <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30533U))'></sup> and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives <sup class="versenum">12 </sup>as you look forward <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30535W))'></sup> to the day of God and speed its coming.<sup class="footnote" value=''>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+3&version=NIV#fen-NIV-30535b)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30535X))'></sup>That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30535Y))'></sup><sup class="versenum">13 </sup>But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30536Z))'></sup> where righteousness dwells."

Revelation 20:1-6, "And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31040A))'></sup> having the key <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31040B))'></sup> to the Abyss <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31040C))'></sup> and holding in his hand a great chain. <sup class="versenum">2 </sup>[B]He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31041D))'></sup> and bound him for a thousand years. <sup class="crossreference" value='(E (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31041E))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">3 </sup>He threw him into the Abyss, <sup class="crossreference" value='(F (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31042F))'></sup> and locked and sealed <sup class="crossreference" value='(G (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31042G))'></sup> it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations <sup class="crossreference" value='(H (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31042H))'></sup> anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
<sup class="versenum">4 </sup>I saw thrones <sup class="crossreference" value='(I (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31043I))'></sup> on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. <sup class="crossreference" value='(J (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31043J))'></sup> And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded <sup class="crossreference" value='(K (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31043K))'></sup> because of their testimony about Jesus <sup class="crossreference" value='(L (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31043L))'></sup> and because of the word of God. <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31043M))'></sup> They<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-31043a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20&version=NIV#fen-NIV-31043a)]</sup> had not worshiped the beast <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31043N))'></sup> or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. <sup class="crossreference" value='(O (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31043O))'></sup>They came to life and reigned <sup class="crossreference" value='(P (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31043P))'></sup> with Christ a thousand years. <sup class="versenum">5 </sup>(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31044Q))'></sup><sup class="versenum">6 </sup>Blessed <sup class="crossreference" value='(R (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31045R))'></sup> and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death <sup class="crossreference" value='(S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31045S))'></sup> has no power over them, but they will be priests <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31045T))'></sup> of God and of Christ and will reign with him <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31045U))'></sup> for a thousand years."

So, it is clear the earth is destroyed, and those of the first ressurection are with Christ in heaven.

Where are these other humans dwelling? In a destroyed earth where there is only the dead? The only humans in existance then are these:

1 Thessalonians 13-18, "Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29617W))'></sup> about those who sleep in death, <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29617X))'></sup> so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29617Y))'></sup><sup class="versenum">14 </sup>For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29618Z))'></sup> and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29618AA))'></sup><sup class="versenum">15 </sup>According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29619AB))'></sup> will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29619AC))'></sup><sup class="versenum">16 </sup>For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29620AD))'></sup> with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29620AE))'></sup> and with the trumpet call of God, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29620AF))'></sup> and the dead in Christ will rise first. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29620AG))'></sup><sup class="versenum">17 </sup>After that, we who are still alive and are left <sup class="crossreference" value='(AH (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29621AH))'></sup> will be caught up together with them in the clouds <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29621AI))'></sup> to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29621AJ))'></sup> forever. <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Therefore encourage one another <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29622AK))'></sup> with these words."

Kingarthurhk
06-05-2012, 19:26
Initially it was used to smuggle cargo through Emperial checkpoints but from what we have seen it has been predominantly used as a fighter for the Rebel Alliance.

I always did like Han Solo.

Vic Hays
06-05-2012, 22:20
Initially it was used to smuggle cargo through Emperial checkpoints but from what we have seen it has been predominantly used as a fighter for the Rebel Alliance.

That was the Millenium Falcon. Actually Starwars had a lot of religion in it, but it wasn't Christianity.

juggy4711
06-05-2012, 22:26
That was the Millenium Falcon. Actually Starwars had a lot of religion in it, but it wasn't Christianity.

Way to go buzz killington.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f68VXKMZT1Q

Star Wars has a lot of mythology in it no doubt. Which is how discarded religions are referred to. In the future even the major religions of today will rightly be regarded as nothing more than myths.

Vic Hays
06-05-2012, 22:34
Notice satan is shut up and bound, why?

So he cant decieve the nations.. If they are either with Christ or dead there would be no nations to decieve.

7*And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8*And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

After the 1,000 yrs you just read satan is released. Why?

To decieve the nations!


It seems twisted to you because your understanding is twisted. There are no Bible verses that talk about teaching people or ruling over people during the Millennium. You only have inferences. I have solid Bible texts.

1. satan is bound for the 1000 years because he is on a wrecked earth with no living humans to tempt.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cried, a great voice, saying to all the birds that are flying in mid-heaven, ‘Come and be gathered together to the supper of the great God,
19:18 that ye may eat flesh of kings, and flesh of chiefs of thousands, and flesh of strong men, and flesh of horses, and of those sitting on them, and the flesh of all — freemen and servants — both small and great.’

Revelation 19:21 and the rest were killed with the sword of him who is sitting on the horse, which [sword] is proceeding out of his mouth, and all the birds were filled out of their flesh.



2. satan is released to deceive the nations because there is a second resurrection after the thousand years is up.

Revelation 20:5 and the rest of the dead did not live again till the thousand years may be finished; this [is] the first rising again.

herose
06-05-2012, 22:43
Of course, wanting something to be true has absolutely no effect on it whether it is true.

That is a true statement. However it cuts both ways. Your not wanting it to be true has no effect on whether it is true or not.

Brasso
06-06-2012, 06:21
....and while we're at it, let's throw most of the Books of Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Hosea, Micah, Isaiah, Nahor.....heck let's just throw them all out so that we can justify Ellen White.

Woofie
06-06-2012, 07:05
That was the Millenium Falcon. Actually Starwars had a lot of religion in it, but it wasn't Christianity.

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

Bren
06-06-2012, 07:27
Wow - even for religious issues...wow....

Hint to the OP - a millenium is 1,000 years. That's all. Just like a decade is 10 years or a century is 100.
http://rogueshollow.com/corporate/uploaded_images/gehennamyway-791976.JPG

FCoulter
06-06-2012, 08:02
1. satan is bound for the 1000 years because he is on a wrecked earth with no living humans to tempt.
.

Why do you post things without Biblical proof?

EW was a FALSE PROPHET. Lets take a look at what some REAL PROPHETS have to say about the millennium.

Zec 14:16 - 21 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt , and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar. Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Isa 2:1 - 4 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem . And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Now notice what Jesus said. notice the comaprison?

Do you believe Jesus or EW?

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Rev 2:26 , 27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

I can give many more verses from proven prophets, if you like. Will you believe what God says?
I doubt it, because it would mean your goddess was wrong, and we all know she didnt make any false claims or copy anything from almost everyone from her time...:rofl:

Geko45
06-06-2012, 09:19
That is a true statement. However it cuts both ways. Your not wanting it to be true has no effect on whether it is true or not.

But one can say that if a preponderance of the evidence suggests it's not true then it probably isn't.

Geko45
06-06-2012, 09:37
Hint to the OP - a millenium is 1,000 years. That's all. Just like a decade is 10 years or a century is 100.

As a former believer, let me translate for you. He is referring to a vaguely described time period mentioned in the book of revelation that occurs after the antichrist comes to power during the great tribulation.

The antichrist rises and starts persucting believers relentlessly and then god starts carrying out various judgements (seals, bowls, trumpets, etc.) and the whole thing culminates with the antichrist mobilizing his army for the big battle at meggido (armegeddon).

Then god just sorta freezes them for a 1000 years. What exactly happens during that time is not clear. The interpretation I was taught was that christ rules over the earth for a 1000 years and it is essentially a pefect human paradise (but not heaven). The believers that endured the tribulation get to live without want or worry during this time. Some kind of reward for having to bear the worst of it I guess.

Then, at the end of the 1000 years, god unfreezes the antichrist and his army and they still think a battle is about to happen. God tosses them all into the lake of fire and that's pretty much then end of that. All remaining believers (and those that died previously) are taken up to heaven for eternity.

Sounds swell (and more than just a little bizarre), don't it?

Vic Hays
06-06-2012, 10:17
Why do you post things without Biblical proof?

EW was a FALSE PROPHET. Lets take a look at what some REAL PROPHETS have to say about the millennium.

I can give many more verses from proven prophets, if you like. Will you believe what God says?
I doubt it, because it would mean your goddess was wrong, and we all know she didnt make any false claims or copy anything from almost everyone from her time...:rofl:

None of those verses mention the 1000 years. You are dancing around and attacking to draw attention away from the fact that you have no real answers by using verses out of context. I can go to the prophets and find verses for support of the earth being desolate during that period.

The second coming is also called the "day of the Lord" or "His presence". After the second coming the earth is desolate without a man and yet not a full end because there is to be a second resurrection.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, see, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, see, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
4:25 I beheld, and, see, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
4:26 I beheld, and, see, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
4:27 For thus has the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

God is clearing His name as well as the saints on battleground earth.

Justice will be thorough and above criticism.

Revelation 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brothers is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives to the death.

G23Gen4TX
06-06-2012, 11:18
That was the Millenium Falcon. Actually Starwars had a lot of religion in it, but it wasn't Christianity.

It also has a lot of Nazis in it but they hate rebels, not Jews.

Oh, and ninjas and samurais as well. And big foot.

FCoulter
06-06-2012, 13:46
None of those verses mention the 1000 years. You are dancing around and attacking to draw attention away from the fact that you have no real answers by using verses out of context. I can go to the prophets and find verses for support of the earth being desolate during that period.

The second coming is also called the "day of the Lord" or "His presence". After the second coming the earth is desolate without a man and yet not a full end because there is to be a second resurrection.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, see, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, see, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
4:25 I beheld, and, see, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
4:26 I beheld, and, see, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
4:27 For thus has the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

God is clearing His name as well as the saints on battleground earth.

Justice will be thorough and above criticism.

Revelation 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brothers is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives to the death.

Its so funny the only reason you say the earth is inhabited during the millennium is because EW said so...lol

Funny how the Bible is clear inhabitants are on the earth.

Isa.24:1Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

6*Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

FCoulter
06-06-2012, 14:01
The book of Revelation states that the resurrected righteous will rule with Jesus for 1,000 years:

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Rev. 20:6)

The question is, what are the righteous "reigning" over? What is their kingdom? Are they reigning over heaven? Or earth?

The Bible clearly states that the righteous shall reign "upon the earth":

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (Rev. 5:10)

Does it make any sense for the righteous to be ruling over some part of heaven? No, of course not! The Bible teaches that mankind was created to "have dominion" over "the earth" (Gen. 1:26-28), not heaven!

But who will the saints rule over? Aren't all the unsaved killed when Christ returns as the SdA CLAIM?

Isaiah 24 says a small remnant of people are left alive. Seventh-day Adventists interpret Isa. 24 as a reference to the Millennium. However, as you will see below, Ellen White in her book The Great Controversy quotes Isaiah 24, but leaves out parts that show people alive upon the earth during the Millennium. Notice the passage from her book below. Added, in red all the Biblical words she left out of the passage--words which reveal an entirely different picture than the one painted by Ellen White:

"At the coming of Christ the wicked are blotted from the face of the whole earth—consumed with the spirit of his mouth and destroyed by the brightness of his glory. Christ takes his people to the city of God, and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. 'Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.' 'The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.' [The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof;] 'Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned'[, and few men left.] (Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6)"

FCoulter
06-06-2012, 14:07
At the end of the thousand years, when Satan is released for a season, the Bible clearly states that the righteous are living upon the earth at that time. Notice carefully in the text below that the righteous are living in "the beloved city." Remember, this city could not possibly be the New Jerusalem because it does not descend to earth until after the first earth passes away (see Rev. 21:1,2).

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city. (Rev. 20:7-9; also Ezek. 38,39)

Could it be any plainer? (Guess not for those who worship White)The saints are occupying the earth, the old Jerusalem, when Satan is loosed at the end of the Millennium. Satan gathers an army from among the heathen nations living upon the earth during the Millennium and assults Jerusalem.

Vic Hays
06-06-2012, 14:36
Its so funny the only reason you say the earth is inhabited during the millennium is because EW said so...lol

Funny how the Bible is clear inhabitants are on the earth.

Isa.24:1Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

6*Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Yes, many are called and few chosen.

This text does not say that few men are left on the earth. Actually it says that "the inhabitants of the earth are burned".

In the first resurrection the righteous arise with Christ in the clouds to go where He had prepared a place for them, (John 14). There are not three classes of saved, unsaved, and something in between at the second coming. You can see that in the following text. Some are saved the rest eaten by the birds just as Revelation speaks.

Luke 17:36 Two men will be in the field; the one will be taken, and the other left.
17:37 And they answered and said to him, Where Lord? And he said to them, Wherever the body is, thither will the eagles be collected.

Vic Hays
06-06-2012, 14:48
The book of Revelation states that the resurrected righteous will rule with Jesus for 1,000 years:

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Rev. 20:6)

The question is, what are the righteous "reigning" over? What is their kingdom? Are they reigning over heaven? Or earth?

The Bible clearly states that the righteous shall reign "upon the earth":

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (Rev. 5:10)

Does it make any sense for the righteous to be ruling over some part of heaven? No, of course not! The Bible teaches that mankind was created to "have dominion" over "the earth" (Gen. 1:26-28), not heaven!

But who will the saints rule over? Aren't all the unsaved killed when Christ returns as the SdA CLAIM?

Isaiah 24 says a small remnant of people are left alive. Seventh-day Adventists interpret Isa. 24 as a reference to the Millennium. However, as you will see below, Ellen White in her book The Great Controversy quotes Isaiah 24, but leaves out parts that show people alive upon the earth during the Millennium. Notice the passage from her book below. Added, in red all the Biblical words she left out of the passage--words which reveal an entirely different picture than the one painted by Ellen White:

"At the coming of Christ the wicked are blotted from the face of the whole earth—consumed with the spirit of his mouth and destroyed by the brightness of his glory. Christ takes his people to the city of God, and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. 'Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.' 'The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.' [The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof;] 'Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned'[, and few men left.] (Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6)"

After all the bluster you still have no text that says there will be people on earth during the 1000 years.

Yes, the saints will rule with Jesus and like Jesus. This is not rule of force, nor is it an elitist class who lord it over others. The kingdom of heaven is not like worldly kingdoms of today.

However, there is a second resurrection and the Holy City will descend from God out of heaven with the saints. When the fire devours the unrighteous the saints will reign.

FCoulter
06-06-2012, 14:59
After all the bluster you still have no text that says there will be people on earth during the 1000 years.

Yes, the saints will rule with Jesus and like Jesus. This is not rule of force, nor is it an elitist class who lord it over others. The kingdom of heaven is not like worldly kingdoms of today.

However, there is a second resurrection and the Holy City will descend from God out of heaven with the saints. When the fire devours the unrighteous the saints will reign.

All I can say is WOW. You have whititis bad!

I gave you verses showing a few men were left and u worm out of it.

Go ahead ill be there when you hold EW hand and twist and worm before God.

Please respond to post 28 without ignoring what you cant lie around.

Vic Hays
06-06-2012, 15:53
At the end of the thousand years, when Satan is released for a season, the Bible clearly states that the righteous are living upon the earth at that time. Notice carefully in the text below that the righteous are living in "the beloved city." Remember, this city could not possibly be the New Jerusalem because it does not descend to earth until after the first earth passes away (see Rev. 21:1,2).

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city. (Rev. 20:7-9; also Ezek. 38,39)

Could it be any plainer? (Guess not for those who worship White)The saints are occupying the earth, the old Jerusalem, when Satan is loosed at the end of the Millennium. Satan gathers an army from among the heathen nations living upon the earth during the Millennium and assults Jerusalem.

You are right that the saints occupy the Holy City on earth at the end of the 1000 years when judgment is poured out upon those who attack the city.

Were they ruling over the deceived unrighteous? That idea is laughable.

Where did the Holy City come from? Do you suppose it was built on the spot? No, it came down from heaven at the end of the Milleneum so the saints can watch as God executes justice.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

No, I didn't worm my way out of anything. I just read my Bible with objectivity. There is nothing to be gained by believing a lie and a lot to lose.

You on the other hand appear to be quite biased and clinging to patently false philosophies.

janice6
06-06-2012, 15:57
Wrong thread.

FCoulter
06-06-2012, 16:11
You are right that the saints occupy the Holy City on earth at the end of the 1000 years when judgment is poured out upon those who attack the city.

Were they ruling over the deceived unrighteous? That idea is laughable.

Where did the Holy City come from? Do you suppose it was built on the spot? No, it came down from heaven at the end of the Milleneum so the saints can watch as God executes justice.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

No, I didn't worm my way out of anything. I just read my Bible with objectivity. There is nothing to be gained by believing a lie and a lot to lose.

You on the other hand appear to be quite biased and clinging to patently false philosophies.

See vic you dont even read what is posted, the verse I gave shown thait was the beloved city, you then twisted it and called it the Holy city, huge difference...

You will get nowhere with slight of hands with God.

Kingarthurhk
06-06-2012, 16:13
Why do you post things without Biblical proof?

EW was a FALSE PROPHET. Lets take a look at what some REAL PROPHETS have to say about the millennium.

Awefully brash from someone comming from the Cult of Fred.

Vic Hays
06-06-2012, 16:40
See vic you dont even read what is posted, the verse I gave shown thait was the beloved city, you then twisted it and called it the Holy city, huge difference...

You will get nowhere with slight of hands with God.

The saints are not occupying the Old Jerusalem during the 1000 years in fact it was destroyed. Jesus is taking them to the New Jerusalem in heaven at the second coming. He said so. He didn't say He was coming to stay on earth.

John 14:2 In my Father’ house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Are you sure you are a Bible expert? These are pretty simple texts.

Kingarthurhk
06-06-2012, 16:44
All I can say is WOW. You have whititis bad!

I gave you verses showing a few men were left and u worm out of it.

Go ahead ill be there when you hold EW hand and twist and worm before God.

Please respond to post 28 without ignoring what you cant lie around.


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FCoulter
06-06-2012, 17:48
The saints are not occupying the Old Jerusalem during the 1000 years in fact it was destroyed. Jesus is taking them to the New Jerusalem in heaven at the second coming. He said so. He didn't say He was coming to stay on earth.

John 14:2 In my Father’ house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Are you sure you are a Bible expert? These are pretty simple texts.

Why do you even bother ? I realize if ellen did write it ( or steal it from someone) it isnt true...:wow:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_City_(Jerusalem)

Kingarthurhk
06-06-2012, 18:13
Why do you even bother ? I realize if ellen did write it ( or steal it from someone) it isnt true...:wow:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_City_(Jerusalem)

This comming from the Fred plagarist?:upeyes:

muscogee
06-06-2012, 18:21
IMO, when Jesus didn't come right back like he said he would, Revelations was included in the Bible to give him (Jesus) another 700 years to make good on his promise. Of course, 1,000 A.D. came and went and so has 2,000 A.D. Still no Jesus.

FCoulter
06-06-2012, 19:04
This comming from the Fred plagarist?:upeyes:

Bold claims mr.king arthur.

However, ellen white was a proven plagarist,but you and vic will o ly deny it.

Kingarthurhk
06-06-2012, 20:33
Bold claims mr.king arthur.

However, ellen white was a proven plagarist,but you and vic will o ly deny it.

Accurate ones too. You have been caught plagarizing the actual Fred here, without giving him actual credit quite a bit.

So, you are a proven plagarist, and a loyal devotee to a singular man, to the point you have adopted his name as a user name.

If either Vic or I took the name Ellen White as a user name and then posted her material as if it were our own, then you might have a valid point.

At the moment, the really bizarre behavior is yours.

Vic Hays
06-06-2012, 23:17
Why do you even bother ? I realize if ellen did write it ( or steal it from someone) it isnt true...:wow:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_City_(Jerusalem)

I am sorry that you can't tell the difference between what Jesus said in the Bible and what Ellen White wrote. I have only been quoting the Bible.

Fred, it takes a big man to admit he is wrong rather than stubbornly continuing to cling to false philosophy.

I am not always right, but I believe the Bible is true. The words of Jesus are even better.

FCoulter
06-07-2012, 05:56
Accurate ones too. You have been caught plagarizing the actual Fred here, without giving him actual credit quite a bit.

So, you are a proven plagarist, and a loyal devotee to a singular man, to the point you have adopted his name as a user name.

If either Vic or I took the name Ellen White as a user name and then posted her material as if it were our own, then you might have a valid point.

At the moment, the really bizarre behavior is yours.

Honestly all debating aside, how old are you really?

I almost feel sorry for Vic having you in his camp.

FCoulter
06-07-2012, 05:59
I am sorry that you can't tell the difference between what Jesus said in the Bible and what Ellen White wrote. I have only been quoting the Bible.

Fred, it takes a big man to admit he is wrong rather than stubbornly continuing to cling to false philosophy.

I am not always right, but I believe the Bible is true. The words of Jesus are even better.

I beg to differ, your beliefs are straight from EW teachings. You try to match it up the best you can with scripture, but what you post does not come close to the true meaning.

Vic Hays
06-07-2012, 09:15
I beg to differ, your beliefs are straight from EW teachings. You try to match it up the best you can with scripture, but what you post does not come close to the true meaning.

Your posts come straight from Jehovah's Witnesses via Armstrong and the WWCOG without the scriptural backing. You have only proven that you love the idea more than the words of Jesus.

Jesus told us plainly that He was preparing a place in His Father's house for us. That is not on this earth. He said that when He comes again He would take us to be with Him there. The saints are in the heavenly Jerusalem during the thousand years.

This shoots your Jehovah's Witness theology in the foot all by itself and it is straight from Jesus mouth.

John 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

FCoulter
06-07-2012, 10:14
Your posts come straight from Jehovah's Witnesses via Armstrong and the WWCOG without the scriptural backing. You have only proven that you love the idea more than the words of Jesus.

Jesus told us plainly that He was preparing a place in His Father's house for us. That is not on this earth. He said that when He comes again He would take us to be with Him there. The saints are in the heavenly Jerusalem during the thousand years.

This shoots your Jehovah's Witness theology in the foot all by itself and it is straight from Jesus mouth.

John 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Vic you are still confused, when Christ gathers up the saints He takes them not to heaven but rather the sea of glass. This is where the marriage will take place, the new songs will be song,and we will be given new names.

Bible
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

This will happen on the Day of Pentecost.

Would you like to have a Biblical discussion on this without Ew theology involved?

Hint you wont find the sea of glass teaching in armstrongism or jw teaching.

Kingarthurhk
06-07-2012, 14:54
Honestly all debating aside, how old are you really?

I almost feel sorry for Vic having you in his camp.

I guessing by your behavior, old enough to be your father.

FCoulter
06-07-2012, 15:07
I guessing by your behavior, old enough to be your father.

Oh ok, king arthur. Lol


But seriously, the comments and your behavior is nuts and whatever credibility Vic mustards up you destroy.

I realize he will defend you like his child,but geesh.

rgregoryb
06-07-2012, 15:20
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Kingarthurhk
06-07-2012, 15:22
Oh ok, king arthur. Lol

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Vic Hays
06-07-2012, 16:00
Vic you are still confused, when Christ gathers up the saints He takes them not to heaven but rather the sea of glass. This is where the marriage will take place, the new songs will be song,and we will be given new names.

Bible
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

This will happen on the Day of Pentecost.

Would you like to have a Biblical discussion on this without Ew theology involved?

Hint you wont find the sea of glass teaching in armstrongism or jw teaching.

So Jesus says He will take us to the Father's house to be with Him and you say He will not. Who should I believe? :whistling: Is God's throne on this earth? Not according to the Bible and the sea of glass is before God's throne.
Do you get anything right?

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions. If it weren't so, I would have told you. I am going to prepare a place for you.
14:3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and will receive you to myself; that where I am, you may be there also.

Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightning and thunder and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like to crystal: and in the middle of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, see, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying to me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and from where came they?
7:14 And I said to him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sits on the throne shall dwell among them.
7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
7:17 For the Lamb which is in the middle of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them to living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Brasso
06-07-2012, 18:54
David's throne is on this earth. And after the Millenium Messiah will hand the Kingdom back to His Father, who will bring the heavenly Jerusalem down to earth.

Vic Hays
06-10-2012, 23:18
David's throne is on this earth. And after the Millenium Messiah will hand the Kingdom back to His Father, who will bring the heavenly Jerusalem down to earth.

Jesus is sitting on David's throne. Why do you think this throne is upon the earth?

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Brasso
06-11-2012, 06:06
Psa 132:11 יהוה has sworn in truth to Dawiḏ; He does not turn from it, “Of the fruit of your body I set upon your throne.
Psa 132:12 “If your sons guard My covenant And My witnesses that I teach them, Their sons shall sit upon your throne forever.”
Psa 132:13 For יהוה has chosen Tsiyon, He has desired it for His dwelling:
Psa 132:14 “This is My place of rest forever; Here I dwell, for I have desired it.
Psa 132:15 “I greatly bless her provision, I satisfy her poor with bread.
Psa 132:16 “And I put deliverance on her priests, And her kind ones sing for joy.
Psa 132:17 “There I make the horn of Dawiḏ grow; I shall set up a lamp for My Anointed One.
Psa 132:18 “I put shame on his enemies, While on Him His diadem shall shine.”

Vic Hays
06-11-2012, 09:06
Psa 132:11 יהוה has sworn in truth to Dawiḏ; He does not turn from it, “Of the fruit of your body I set upon your throne.
Psa 132:12 “If your sons guard My covenant And My witnesses that I teach them, Their sons shall sit upon your throne forever.”
Psa 132:13 For יהוה has chosen Tsiyon, He has desired it for His dwelling:
Psa 132:14 “This is My place of rest forever; Here I dwell, for I have desired it.
Psa 132:15 “I greatly bless her provision, I satisfy her poor with bread.
Psa 132:16 “And I put deliverance on her priests, And her kind ones sing for joy.
Psa 132:17 “There I make the horn of Dawiḏ grow; I shall set up a lamp for My Anointed One.
Psa 132:18 “I put shame on his enemies, While on Him His diadem shall shine.”


God's promises have conditions. They did not fulfill this condition of keeping the covenant. They soon departed. Rehoboam caused the split into two kingdoms governed by such as Ahab and Jezebel.

Psa 132:12 “If your sons guard My covenant And My witnesses that I teach them, Their sons shall sit upon your throne forever.”

The promise remained for those of faith to claim. The earthly Jerusalem is not it. The heavenly Jerusalem is it.

Galatians 4:25 Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children.
4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.
4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, so also it is now.

Brasso
06-11-2012, 18:24
God's promises have conditions. They did not fulfill this condition of keeping the covenant. They soon departed. Rehoboam caused the split into two kingdoms governed by such as Ahab and Jezebel.

The House of Israel did violate the covenant and were divorced. Per Hosea. But the House of Judah, while they did sin, were never divorced. They remain in covenant. This is why Messiah said that He came only for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. That is the other "fold" that He has to bring in.

You're skipping over too much Scripture and applying it to the wrong time frames.

Vic Hays
06-11-2012, 21:35
The House of Israel did violate the covenant and were divorced. Per Hosea. But the House of Judah, while they did sin, were never divorced. They remain in covenant. This is why Messiah said that He came only for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. That is the other "fold" that He has to bring in.

You're skipping over too much Scripture and applying it to the wrong time frames.

Yes, and after Jesus came for the lost sheep they rejected Him as a people. Salvation requires acceptance.

Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left to you desolate: and truly I say to you, You shall not see me, until the time come when you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.