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Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 06:41
Ron Paul, Don't Destroy Yourself - YouTube

He tears Ron and Rand a new one...... Demands Public Statement from Paul to explain himself.

You need to see the whole thing. He thinks Ron has sabotaged the Delegate secret agents.

G29Reload
06-09-2012, 07:20
Wow….even RP can't be be good enough at being RP to please the bots.

He must hate the Constitution or something.:rofl:

eracer
06-09-2012, 07:25
He's calling for a run as an Independent.

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 07:27
Ron Paul has finally realized which side of the butter has the bread on it and he's looking out for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has dumped his sycophant supporters like the useful idiots they are.

Alex Jones is a typical Ron Paul supporter who refuses to accept the fact that Ron Paul has been rejected by the American people. The race is over, Ron Paul lost.

All the Ron Paul supporters can do now is to bad mouth Romney and the republicans and try to derail any republican victory out of spite.

Just because their side lost, Ron Paul's supporters would rather see Obama get re-elected, than to join forces with republicans and defeat Obama in November.

Their battle cry will now be the usual dribble about how America is over, America is doomed and we're headed for some terrible financial collapse.

Ron Paul is finally going away.
Hopefully his supporters will too.

..

G29Reload
06-09-2012, 07:37
Ron Paul has finally realized which side of the butter has the bread on it and he's looking out for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has dumped his sycophant supporters like the useful idiots they are.

Yep. If they won't be realistic, he will.

This alex jones critter is a fool. It's over pal.

The overarching fact that all the bots are in denial on is:

There are ONLY two choices.

There is no other option. Third party? You've got to be kidding. That's about as deluded as a crackpot like Gary Johnson.

Let's see. Run in a major party, fail to attract more than say, 8% on average, fail to excite a majority with all the media coverage, debates, conventional advertising, fundraising, and completely fail there, so,

with no money left, become even more obscure and desperate, trying to WIN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY so that you can SUCCEED and TAKE THE OATH OF OFFICE by being an asterisk, a footnote with out an ice cube's chance in hell. No support, no money, no one cares. A statistical blip on the radar.

In order to have a "revolution", people have to show up. FAIL.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 08:09
Paul is telling the delegate secret agents to be polite.

He's probably trying to get some planks into the platform. We'll have to see if they F it up for him and Rand.

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 08:23
Paul is telling the delegate secret agents to be polite.

He's probably trying to get some planks into the platform. We'll have to see if they F it up for him and Rand.


Ron Paul should take whatever scraps the GOP throws him, and be thankful for them.

G29Reload
06-09-2012, 08:25
Paul is telling the delegate secret agents to be polite.

He's probably trying to get some planks into the platform. We'll have to see if they F it up for him and Rand.


Between the upcoming SCOTUS decision on healthcare, the bots at the convention, and Obama's concession/explanation speech on why he lost, along with the fall campaign generally, next 4 1/2 months are going to be VERY entertaining.

GAFinch
06-09-2012, 08:31
Right now, Republicans like Rand and hate Ron and his supporters. Willingly or not, this is out of a thorough understanding of Ron's platform. People have been trying to say for months that Ron is accepting defeat and instead is building a legacy for Rand to get Libertarian planks discussed in Republican ranks. Amazing how mainstream neocons saw this coming before Ron's prophet Alex did.

OWS riots are about to get bigger.

Sam Spade
06-09-2012, 08:31
"not going down on the Ron Paul ship..."

Obama listens to Alex Jones. Who knew?

G-19
06-09-2012, 08:35
Ron Paul has finally realized which side of the butter has the bread on it and he's looking out for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has dumped his sycophant supporters like the useful idiots they are.

Alex Jones is a typical Ron Paul supporter who refuses to accept the fact that Ron Paul has been rejected by the American people. The race is over, Ron Paul lost.

All the Ron Paul supporters can do now is to bad mouth Romney and the republicans and try to derail any republican victory out of spite.

Just because their side lost, Ron Paul's supporters would rather see Obama get re-elected, than to join forces with republicans and defeat Obama in November.

Their battle cry will now be the usual dribble about how America is over, America is doomed and we're headed for some terrible financial collapse.

Ron Paul is finally going away.
Hopefully his supporters will too.

..

I could not have said it better.

Ron dropped out because he saw he was losing and did not want to hurt Rand's political career. He probably encouraged Rand to support Romney to save his career. The way I see it RP is not any different that any other politician, they are only in it for themselves, family and friends. I find it hilarious that the Paulbolts now have to face the fact that their messiah is just another typical political hack.

Hey, it's not to late. Maybe the Paulbots can get Jesse Ventura to run as their candidate. Just think "Venturites".

G-19
06-09-2012, 09:54
Paul is telling the delegate secret agents to be polite.

He's probably trying to get some planks into the platform. We'll have to see if they F it up for him and Rand.

That is because he realizes that anything his delegates do will ultimately reflect on his boy. Right or not, anything they do in his daddy's name will reflect on Rand.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 09:57
That is because he realizes that any thing his delegates do will ultimately reflect on his boy. Right or not, anything they do in his daddy's name will reflect on Rand.

There are an awful lot of people from the Paul camp tossing Rand under the bus over his endorsement.

Lew Rockwell: Ron Paul and Rand Paul are different - YouTube

Many are threatening to toss Ron Paul under the bus if he endorses Romney. It will all be very fun to watch.

G-19
06-09-2012, 10:04
There are an awful lot of people from the Paul camp tossing Rand under the bus over his endorsement.

Lew Rockwell: Ron Paul and Rand Paul are different - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGfcS6NkiAY)

Many are threatening to toss Ron Paul under the bus if he endorses Romney. It will all be very fun to watch.

No, it will be down right hilarious.

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 10:07
Lew Rockwell!...:rofl::animlol:

He's Ron Paul's biggest disciple.

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 10:12
Where are the Paulbots?

For once, I'm interested in their thoughts on Rand Paul endorsing Romney.

If Ron Paul should endorse Romney also, will the Paulbots quit their trashing of Romney and the republican party, and get on board the GOP bandwagon?

G-19
06-09-2012, 10:23
Where are the Paulbots?

For once, I'm interested in their thoughts on Rand Paul endorsing Romney.

If Ron Paul should endorse Romney also, will the Paulbots quit their trashing of Romney and the republican party, and get on board the GOP bandwagon?

Pretty much sums up the Paulbots.

http://youtu.be/MMzd40i8TfA

The Machinist
06-09-2012, 10:23
If Ron Paul should endorse Romney also, will the Paulbots quit their trashing of Romney and the republican party, and get on board the GOP bandwagon?
Not on your life. This is what you Romneybots don't understand. It's not about Ron Paul. It's about our God-given freedom being stolen from us. Ron Paul could hold a press conference tomorrow, denounce everything he's ever said, heartily endorse Mittens, and my views on liberty versus authoritarianism wouldn't change. You won't find a single Paul supporter here who will say otherwise.

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 10:33
Not on your life. This is what you Romneybots don't understand. It's not about Ron Paul. It's about our God-given freedom being stolen from us. Ron Paul could hold a press conference tomorrow, denounce everything he's ever said, heartily endorse Mittens, and my views on liberty versus authoritarianism wouldn't change. You won't find a single Paul supporter here who will say otherwise.


What God given freedom has been stolen from you?

You live in the freest country on Earth.

The majority of people on this planet would laugh at you, and say you've got nothing to complain about.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 11:24
Not on your life. This is what you Romneybots don't understand. It's not about Ron Paul. It's about our God-given freedom being stolen from us. Ron Paul could hold a press conference tomorrow, denounce everything he's ever said, heartily endorse Mittens, and my views on liberty versus authoritarianism wouldn't change. You won't find a single Paul supporter here who will say otherwise.

There will be some. Absolutes don't work well with humans.

G29Reload
06-09-2012, 12:08
Not on your life. This is what you Romneybots don't understand. It's not about Ron Paul. It's about our God-given freedom being stolen from us.


This is about as pathetic as the crybaby, weeping, melodramatic recall bot in Wisconsin after the recall attempt election fail there….

"Democracy died tonight…..sniff…sob..."


Word for the fool: No, it didn't just because your side lost. It just means a contest was held, and someone else prevailed. It was the RESULT of democracy!

And in the case of the Ron Paul fail, no one's freedom was stolen. More like, freedom was exercised!


Just because you didn't get your way doesn't mean the system doesn't work. Suck it up! You didn't prevail because you didn't get your message out, or, you did and an insufficient amount of people didn't think it was ok…for Iran to have nuclear weapons, or to relegate our defense to a couple of submarines, pushing every confrontation with the world's dictators to nuclear showdown, (some of whom would have said, bring it!) or legalization of drugs, or throwing Israel under the bus, etc etc.

In the free market of ideas, everyone was heard with numerous debates. Ron Paul was on the ballot in every state and even had a leg up in VA where other major candidates were left off and he STILL didn't prevail! Even when you spot the guy a handicap he loses!

Face it: unpopular candidate, fails to make the case, he cuts some back bench deal to salvage a plank for the platform and even his family sees reality, so, essentially, you're done here.

Quit whining.

The Machinist
06-09-2012, 12:19
Way to miss the point, G29. The freedom being stolen from us wasn't a reference to Ron Paul losing the nomination, idiot. It's about the progressive movement in both major parties working tirelessly to control everyone and everything. Of course you didn't get it. You're voting for one of the two progressives running this November.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 13:19
Way to miss the point, G29. The freedom being stolen from us wasn't a reference to Ron Paul losing the nomination, idiot. It's about the progressive movement in both major parties working tirelessly to control everyone and everything. Of course you didn't get it. You're voting for one of the two progressives running this November.



You remind me of the guys I used to go up against in Martial Arts tournaments. When they realized they were losing they would commit a foul and get disqualified rather than face the loss. Then they would run around saying how the rules of that tournament were "stupid" and with different rules they would have won:upeyes:

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 13:35
Went Lurking on a couple paul sites. Holy cow, they are in an absolute tizzy. One site actually has a "priority" thread begging everyone to call a cease fire.

Kind of a Ron Paul Blimp Hindenberg moment.

G-19
06-09-2012, 13:36
Link please

G29Reload
06-09-2012, 13:47
Link please
http://www.hulu.com/watch/39815

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 13:53
Link please

I'm not sure, but I think it is a TOS violation to link to other forums, as a flame war among members could start.

But if you google: Ron paul rand paul priority cease fire

You can go ahead and hit the "I'm feelin' Lucky button."

G-19
06-09-2012, 14:07
Thanks

countrygun
06-09-2012, 14:09
<Mr. Rodgers voice>

"Can you say "Implosion"?"

Gunnut 45/454
06-09-2012, 14:20
My advice to the RPbots! Don't hate ! Go put your support into getting good honest people elected to the Senate so we can start removing the Socialist Dumocrats- thats where your Liberterian voices are needed! See you now have a new mission.:supergrin:

GAFinch
06-09-2012, 14:20
You can go to just about any site with forums or articles with comments sections and see Ron supporters freaking out. There's no way that they're mature enough to continue on without a unifying leader.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 14:22
You can go to just about any site with forums or articles with comments sections and see Ron supporters freaking out. There's no way that they're mature enough to continue on without a unifying leader.


But....but.....they are being so mature about the situation:whistling:

Chronos
06-09-2012, 14:36
It might be for the best. The system has been fundamentally broken for decades, and no one person is going to save it -- people really need to wake up to that reality. The revolution we need is philosophical, not political.

The political approach is analogous to killing Julius Caesar. It got rid of one dictator, but it sure didn't bring back the republic.

Snowman92D
06-09-2012, 14:36
I was astonished that Alex Jones would blaspheme a Christ-like figure like Ron Paul. And the things he said about Senator Rand Paul had to hurt. I can see Rand Paul saying to himself, "Forgive them, Father. They know not what they do".

After watching the antics of other 9/11 Truthers here on this forum, I've learned to not over-think what people like Alex Jones say. They call it the "lunatic fringe" for a reason.

G-19
06-09-2012, 15:02
Visited some RP forums after reading Doc's post. Pretty funny. They are frantic over this.

Ruble Noon
06-09-2012, 15:17
What God given freedom has been stolen from you?

You live in the freest country on Earth.

The majority of people on this planet would laugh at you, and say you've got nothing to complain about.

JB, I'm still waiting for you to list the things in your life that the government is not involved in.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 15:18
Visited some RP forums after reading Doc's post. Pretty funny. They are frantic over this.

Heyyy, wait a minute :honkie:




You doubted me? :steamed:





Just kidding.....:supergrin:


It is funny to watch.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/CavDoc-3.gif

countrygun
06-09-2012, 15:24
Ron Paul could hold a press conference tomorrow, denounce everything he's ever said, heartily endorse Mittens, and my views on liberty versus authoritarianism wouldn't change. You won't find a single Paul supporter here who will say otherwise.

So, in other words, Ron Paul has no value in the process of Democratically electing a Leader for the Republic, has no ability to even affect changes in the platform of one party, because his followers won't cooperate with anyone else and they won't even follow RPs direction.

Oh yah, clowns like that are a force to be reckoned with:rofl::rofl:

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 15:24
JB, I'm still waiting for you to list the things in your life that the government is not involved in.



I can help him out here.

1. Gardening.
2. Walking the dogs
3. breathing air
4. making whoopee (that should have been #1)
5. My choice of career
6. My choice of car
7. My choice of address.
8. my choice of how many children I have
9. My choice of who I am married to.
10. My choice of rifles. (current laws let me have "enough" gun)
11. My choice of names for my kids
12. What vegetables I want to grow.
13. I've seen totalitarianism. we have a very far way to go to get there. Most that have not seen how bad it can get, have very little appreciation for how well we have it. I've only visited 22 countries, I spent more than 6 months in 5 of those. Honestly, if you can find a better place to live, go there. With my sincere blessing. Really, if there is a better place to be, I don't know where it is.

Fed Five Oh
06-09-2012, 15:29
Way to miss the point, G29. The freedom being stolen from us wasn't a reference to Ron Paul losing the nomination, idiot. It's about the progressive movement in both major parties working tirelessly to control everyone and everything. Of course you didn't get it. You're voting for one of the two progressives running this November.How ironic, the guy who is SO worried about his freedom chooses to live in the State of California.:rofl:

G-19
06-09-2012, 15:33
Doc, there is no better place than the USA.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 15:34
Has anybody noticed that the whine of the Paulites sounds an awful lot like the whine of the liberals after the Wisconsin results? "Democracy is Dead"

They walk like a duck

they quack like a duck

and they want Obama back in the White House.

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 15:44
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You guys kill me, you are patting yourselves on the back because Mitt is the nominee? Ha funny.

Have fun voting for a big-government liberal republican. Not my cup of tea.

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 15:50
It might be for the best. The system has been fundamentally broken for decades, and no one person is going to save it -- people really need to wake up to that reality. The revolution we need is philosophical, not political.

The political approach is analogous to killing Julius Caesar. It got rid of one dictator, but it sure didn't bring back the republic.

Great insight as always, it will be ignored though.

G-19
06-09-2012, 16:08
Has anybody noticed that the whine of the Paulites sounds an awful lot like the whine of the liberals after the Wisconsin results? "Democracy is Dead"

They walk like a duck

they quack like a duck

and they want Obama back in the White House.

I noticed that also.

G-19
06-09-2012, 16:14
Heyyy, wait a minute :honkie:




You doubted me? :steamed:





Just kidding.....:supergrin:


It is funny to watch.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/CavDoc-3.gif

Did you notice the comments about how Rand only did it because the safety of his family was threatened. Really?

First it was 9/11 was an inside job, then the conclave, now this.

I see Rand's support as a last ditch effort to separate himself from his nutty father and his looney supporters. Hope it works out for him.

Ruble Noon
06-09-2012, 16:19
I can help him out here.

1. Gardening.
2. Walking the dogs
3. breathing air
4. making whoopee (that should have been #1)
5. My choice of career
6. My choice of car
7. My choice of address.
8. my choice of how many children I have
9. My choice of who I am married to.
10. My choice of rifles. (current laws let me have "enough" gun)
11. My choice of names for my kids
12. What vegetables I want to grow.
13. I've seen totalitarianism. we have a very far way to go to get there. Most that have not seen how bad it can get, have very little appreciation for how well we have it. I've only visited 22 countries, I spent more than 6 months in 5 of those. Honestly, if you can find a better place to live, go there. With my sincere blessing. Really, if there is a better place to be, I don't know where it is.

Well, you got three so I guess you're feeling really free about now. Do you have your rabies tag on your dog? Is it on a leash while you walk it? Can you grow sassafras? Can you put a fun switch in your AR? Does Texas still have a ban on marital aids?

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 16:19
I can help him out here.

.


Thanks Doc, you must be reading my mail?:wavey:

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 16:28
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You guys kill me, you are patting yourselves on the back because Mitt is the nominee? Ha funny.

Have fun voting for a big-government liberal republican. Not my cup of tea.

You are missing the point completely. This thread is not about being happy about Mittens (a.k.a obamalite) getting the nomination, it's about watching the self righteous posters that have had a long standing cult like following discover that the Paul family is made of mortal men.


It is an interesting mass epiphany.

Ruble Noon
06-09-2012, 16:29
Doc, there is no better place than the USA.

It is just to many Paulites listen to Alex Jones, Canada Free Press, and other like them. They love a good conspiracy and the RPers fall for it all. You know stuff like 9/11 was an inside job, Illuminati and such things. Yet, they still don't see why people think they are nuts.

While I agree, it would be even better without statists like you.

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 16:30
You are missing the point completely. This thread is not about being happy about Mittens (a.k.a obamalite) getting the nomination, it's about watching the self righteous posters that have had a long standing cult like following discover that the Paul family is made of mortal men.


It is an interesting mass epiphany.

And you are missing my point. You guys are just as self-righteous as the paulites you harp on, except you seem happy to eat a crap sandwich as long as you can claim you are better then some other group. Hell, you are one of the biggest RP troll on GTPI, doesn't surprise me on bit. You in a cult too? All this BS about RP being mortal and fallible is your lame excuse to troll because of course he is.



Have fun with it though.

Ruble Noon
06-09-2012, 16:31
[QUOTE=countrygun;19070604 "Democracy is Dead"

[/QUOTE]

Good. Now we can busy ourselves with restoring our republic.

G-19
06-09-2012, 16:32
Well, you got three so I guess you're feeling really free about now. Do you have your rabies tag on your dog? Is it on a leash while you walk it? Can you grow sassafras? Can you put a fun switch in your AR? Does Texas still have a ban on marital aids?

Hold on, Ruble Noon, I thought you guys were all for City, County, and State laws. I only see one, the full Auto AR law that is federal. I am beginning to think you guys are against any laws. Do you really believe there should be no laws in society? Or is it only the laws you are personally against?

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 16:38
Well, you got three so I guess you're feeling really free about now. Do you have your rabies tag on your dog? Is it on a leash while you walk it? Can you grow sassafras? Can you put a fun switch in your AR? Does Texas still have a ban on marital aids?

I want my dog to have rabies shots. Heck, I've had rabies shots. The dog is on a leash, some of the time, not always. I keep them on a leash in the suburbs, except for our Sunday outing to get the morning papers. Then they just go straight to the truck.

I haven't tried, but I'm sure I could grow sassafras, if I wanted too. It grows wild here in Texas. My AR is already more fun than the puny common AR's. Am sorta ticked it didn't come with a suppressor, maybe we can get OSHA to require that.

Marital aids can be purchased online and at numerous privately owned shops, if you need aid anyway.

So what was your point again?

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 16:44
You guys are just as self-righteous as the paulites you harp on, except you seem happy to eat a crap sandwich as long as you can claim you are better then some other group...


Nobody is more self-righteous than Ron Paul supporters.

They're the only true conservatives and everyone else hates the constitution and liberty.

Why can't you accept the fact that Ron Paul has lost, admit it and get behind Romney and the GOP?

Do you want Obama to get a second term?

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 16:45
And you are missing my point. You guys are just as self-righteous as the paulites you harp on, except you seem happy to eat a crap sandwich as long as you can claim you are better then some other group. Hell you are one of the biggest RP troll on GTPI, doesn't surprise me on bit


Have fun with it though.

Careful, you are about to make a blue on blue mistake. I think anyone should vote for whoever they like. I've got my own reasons for voting, and respect everyone's individual right to choose.

I do have a lot of concern when people have a godlike opinion of another man. I like about 50% of what Paul likes. But I don't hate the guy. I have pointed out imperfections, not damning traits, cause he has no damning traits. He's just less than perfect, and that is all.

I'm not trolling, I'm pointing out a truth. No man is perfect. All of us have our flaws. So when you see someone held up as perfect, your "oh crap" alarm should be going off.

The Machinist
06-09-2012, 16:46
How ironic, the guy who is SO worried about his freedom chooses to live in the State of California.:rofl:
I live in Oregon.

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 16:47
Careful, you are about to make a blue on blue mistake. I think anyone should vote for whoever they like. I've hot my own reasons for voting, and respect everyone's individual right to choose.

I do have a lot of concern when people have a godlike opinion of another man. I like about 50% of what Paul likes. Bit I don't hate the guy. I have pointed out imperfections, not damning traits, cause he has no damning traits. He's just less than perfect, and that is all.

I'm not trolling, I'm pointing out a truth. No man is perfect. All of us have our flaws. So when you see someone held up as perfect, your "oh crap" alarm should be going off.

Never said he was perfect and you are a troll.

G29Reload
06-09-2012, 16:51
And you are missing my point. You guys are just as self-righteous as the paulites you harp on, except you seem happy to eat a crap sandwich as long as you can claim you are better then some other group.


None of this is true.

We JUST WANT OBAMA GONE.


That's it, doesn't get any simpler.

There is a clear path to doing it, and continuing to beat a dead 8% horse just endangers it.

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 16:55
Nobody is more self-righteous than Ron Paul supporters.

They're the only true conservatives and everyone else hates the constitution and liberty.

Why can't you accept the fact that Ron Paul has lost, admit it and get behind Romney and the GOP?

Do you want Obama to get a second term?

Ha, from you this is really funny.


Read my posts, I didn't give him much of a chance to begin with.



I don't want Barry to win a second term, and wont vote for him for the same reasons I wont vote for Mitt. Both are big-government liberal Keynesian's, Easy enough for you to understand?

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 16:57
Did you notice the comments about how Rand only did it because the safety of his family was threatened. Really?

First it was 9/11 was an inside job, then the conclave, now this.

I see Rand's support as a last ditch effort to separate himself from his nutty father and his looney supporters. Hope it works out for him.

Yup, they've done body language analysis and voice stress analysis, and he is obviously being compelled to do this. My bet is still on aliens, not Martians, but Mexican drug cartels that operate in his father's district. Gotta be that.

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 16:58
None of this is true.

We JUST WANT OBAMA GONE.


That's it, doesn't get any simpler.

There is a clear path to doing it, and continuing to beat a dead 8% horse just endangers it.

And replaced with another big-government liberal, got it. Ignore history, and repeat. Great plan. :upeyes: Worked out great so far.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 16:58
Never said he was perfect and you are a troll.

You are either blinded by your beliefs, or just too chicken to see the truth.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 17:02
Well, you got three so I guess you're feeling really free about now. Do you have your rabies tag on your dog? Is it on a leash while you walk it? Can you grow sassafras? Can you put a fun switch in your AR? Does Texas still have a ban on marital aids?


THAT^^^^^


Is the very attitude that shows the falseness and/or ignorance of the supposed "Ron Paul" supporters.

That they think what goes on in another State is their business. They have absolutely NO CLUE about what "States Rights" means. They cannot grasp in their wildest dreams the fact that "FREEDOM" means another State IS FREE to enact "bans on ,marital aids, leash laws, outlaw alcohol," whatever the FREE VOTER'S want. They want to claim that State laws, where the people have closer control over the lawmakers, somehow restrict freedom and then they imply that it is the job of the Feds to regulate "legalize or illegalize" such things. FREEDOM begins with States having different laws to reflect their population. The attitude that "laws should be the same all over the Country" is what gave the Federal Government the horrendous power it now claims.

For a Ron Paul supporter, claiming to love "freedom" to poke at another State because of their freely enacted laws, which they are free to change, is asnine.

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 17:05
I don't want Barry to win a second term, and wont vote for him for the same reasons I wont vote for Mitt. Both are big-government liberal Keynesian's, Easy enough for you to understand?


If you don't vote, how do you expect anything to ever change?

Romney's not perfect, but he's a small baby step in the right direction. Those small steps add up.

Sitting out this election just to prove some ideological point does this country more harm than good, and increases Obama's chance of winning.

You may not like Romney, but give things a chance to change by at least voting against Obama.

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 17:06
Enjoy your circle jerk guys. Don't trip over yourselves in the rush to dump on paulites and rationalize why a big-government liberal with a R next to his name is better then one with a D.

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 17:07
THAT^^^^^


Is the very attitude that shows the falseness and/or ignorance of the supposed "Ron Paul" supporters.

That they think what goes on in another State is their business. They have absolutely NO CLUE about what "States Rights" means. They cannot grasp in their wildest dreams the fact that "FREEDOM" means another State IS FREE to enact "bans on ,marital aids, leash laws, outlaw alcohol," whatever the FREE VOTER'S want. They want to claim that State laws, where the people have closer control over the lawmakers, somehow restrict freedom and then they imply that it is the job of the Feds to regulate "legalize or illegalize" such things. FREEDOM begins with States having different laws to reflect their population. The attitude that "laws should be the same all over the Country" is what gave the Federal Government the horrendous power it now claims.

For a Ron Paul supporter, claiming to love "freedom" to poke at another State because of their freely enacted laws, which they are free to change, is asnine.


Great Post!...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 17:08
If you don't vote, how do you expect anything to ever change?

Romney's not perfect, but he's a small baby step in the right direction. Those small steps add up.

Sitting out this election just to prove some ideological point does this country more harm than good, and increases Obama's chance of winning.

You may not like Romney, but give things a chance to change by at least voting against Obama.

Never said I wasn't voting.

I vote for a candidate, not against. Nothing changes voting against someone. But keep ignoring recent history.

You are a fan of big-government anyway, so you'll be happy whether Barry or Mitt wins.

G-19
06-09-2012, 17:13
Enjoy your circle jerk guys. Don't trip over yourselves in the rush to dump on paulites and rationalize why a big-government liberal with a R next to his name is better then one with a D.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

G-19
06-09-2012, 17:14
THAT^^^^^


Is the very attitude that shows the falseness and/or ignorance of the supposed "Ron Paul" supporters.

That they think what goes on in another State is their business. They have absolutely NO CLUE about what "States Rights" means. They cannot grasp in their wildest dreams the fact that "FREEDOM" means another State IS FREE to enact "bans on ,marital aids, leash laws, outlaw alcohol," whatever the FREE VOTER'S want. They want to claim that State laws, where the people have closer control over the lawmakers, somehow restrict freedom and then they imply that it is the job of the Feds to regulate "legalize or illegalize" such things. FREEDOM begins with States having different laws to reflect their population. The attitude that "laws should be the same all over the Country" is what gave the Federal Government the horrendous power it now claims.

For a Ron Paul supporter, claiming to love "freedom" to poke at another State because of their freely enacted laws, which they are free to change, is asnine.

Shhhh, stop exposing the hypocrites.

They cry about Romney care, but it was a state law. According to them our country was founded on state rights. So why the issue with Romney care? Hmmmm

JBnTX
06-09-2012, 17:24
You are a fan of big-government anyway, so you'll be happy whether Barry or Mitt wins.

No I'm not a fan of big government.
I'll only be happy if Romney wins.

You said earlier, that you weren't voting for Romney or Obama.
I just assumed you were not voting.

Since you do plan to vote, would you tell us who you plan on voting for?

countrygun
06-09-2012, 17:24
Shhhh, stop exposing the hypocrites.


Check the top of the page. One of them went back and edited his post to hide his hyposrisy. They sure do act "Obama-like" don't they?

fortyofforty
06-09-2012, 17:25
Ah, the "Troll Card", the last refuge of losers. :rofl:

G-19
06-09-2012, 17:27
Check the top of the page. One of them went back and edited his post to hide his hyposrisy. They sure do act "Obama-like" don't they?

Nah, just decided the comment fit in elsewhere better. It was the one about RPers listening to InfoWars to much. It takes a simple mind to believe that stuff.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 17:32
Nah, just decided the comment fit in elsewhere better. It was the one about RPers listening to InfoWars to much. It takes a simple mind to believe that stuff.


i was refering to someone else, but. it's all good:supergrin:

G-19
06-09-2012, 17:37
The more I think about it, all the RPer gripping about Mitt's record on gun laws, health care, etc., is really hypocritical. Those were all MA (state) laws. So according to the LP beliefs they should all be ok, since the people of that state either voted for them or elected the officials that did. So since they are state laws they are no indication of how Mitt will be as POTUS.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 17:37
While I agree, it would be even better without statists like you.


Don't even bother to be in this conversation anymore.

You try to be snide because another State has different laws than yours, and then you accuse someone else of being a "statist"

Hahahaha you don't even understand the meanings of the rhetoric you spew.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 17:38
Never said I wasn't voting.

I vote for a candidate, not against. Nothing changes voting against someone. But keep ignoring recent history.

You are a fan of big-government anyway, so you'll be happy whether Barry or Mitt wins.


Hey chicken,

I've been called just about everything but a white boy by paulistas. I've not held that against Paul. Paulbots have attacked and email spammed and threatened members of the media, including some physical attacks. Those guys haven't been as forgiving as I have been. I've been called all sorts of names, I've had my service to my country degraded, had my professional ability questioned, and all for nothing more than I am not a Ron Paul fan. I really do like the guy. I just don't love him. When I see things said by his disciples that claim he is perfect in a way, I can find places where he is not as perfect as the paulistinians think he is. That's not a matter of hate, it is a matter of accuracy.

So, you'll have to pardon me if I point out the meltdown going on in the paulisphere because Rand endorsed Romney with a big wet sloppy endorsement.

It is now a matter of sincere speculation, whether or not THE L. Ron Paul will endorse Romney himself, in trade for some political favors...

No Big deal. You're not a POS for being shocked by that. You're parents were most likely married at the time of your birth, and I would not question that based on your support of L. Ron Paul, so I'm just asking for you to return the favor.

I'm just a guy. I disagree with Paul about 50% of the time. I'm still a good guy. If you agree with Ron Paul 100% of the time, that is no reason for me to think you are also not a good guy.

But your manners, that is a reason to think less of you. Up till now, I chalked it up to you being emotional. That excuse doesn't hold water for long.

Snowman92D
06-09-2012, 17:45
Never said he was perfect and you are a troll.

Interesting that you'd call Doc, of all people here, a troll.

I'll have to look up the definition of "troll" in Paulbot code-speak. It didn't take long to learn that "statist" means someone who is opposed to drug legalization. :smoking:

Enjoy your circle jerk guys.

Be sure to wash your hands before dinner. :whistling:

countrygun
06-09-2012, 17:45
The more I think about it, all the RPer gripping about Mitt's record on gun laws, health care, etc., is really hypocritical. Those were all MA (state) laws. So according to the LP beliefs they should all be ok, since the people of that state either voted for them or elected the officials that did. So since they are state laws they are no indication of how Mitt will be as POTUS.


Oh no! you are a "statist":rofl:

427
06-09-2012, 17:46
Not on your life. This is what you Romneybots don't understand. It's not about Ron Paul. It's about our God-given freedom being stolen from us. Ron Paul could hold a press conference tomorrow, denounce everything he's ever said, heartily endorse Mittens, and my views on liberty versus authoritarianism wouldn't change. You won't find a single Paul supporter here who will say otherwise.

That's so silly, it has ALWAYS been about Paul. If anyone questions him or his supporters the comes the name calling, like freedom haters, anti-constitutionalists ect ect. Or if Ron Paul isn't elected, the country will die. Are you going to deny that?

ted1
06-09-2012, 17:49
Ron Paul has finally realized which side of the butter has the bread on it and he's looking out for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has dumped his sycophant supporters like the useful idiots they are.

Alex Jones is a typical Ron Paul supporter who refuses to accept the fact that Ron Paul has been rejected by the American people. The race is over, Ron Paul lost.

All the Ron Paul supporters can do now is to bad mouth Romney and the republicans and try to derail any republican victory out of spite.

Just because their side lost, Ron Paul's supporters would rather see Obama get re-elected, than to join forces with republicans and defeat Obama in November.

Their battle cry will now be the usual dribble about how America is over, America is doomed and we're headed for some terrible financial collapse.

Ron Paul is finally going away.
Hopefully his supporters will too.

..

Well said I could not agree more.

Sent from my DROID RAZR

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 17:50
Interesting that you'd call Doc, of all people here, a troll.

I'll have to look up the definition of "troll" in Paulbot code-speak. It didn't take long to learn that "statist" means someone who is opposed to drug legalization. :smoking:



Be sure to wash your hands before dinner. :whistling:




Thanks for the vote of confidence Snowman.


But I don't think hand washing is going to fix chickenwing's problem. I'm almost certain that steel wool and pipe cleaners would do a better job.

Ruble Noon
06-09-2012, 17:50
I want my dog to have rabies shots. Heck, I've had rabies shots. The dog is on a leash, some of the time, not always. I keep them on a leash in the suburbs, except for our Sunday outing to get the morning papers. Then they just go straight to the truck.

I haven't tried, but I'm sure I could grow sassafras, if I wanted too. It grows wild here in Texas. My AR is already more fun than the puny common AR's. Am sorta ticked it didn't come with a suppressor, maybe we can get OSHA to require that.

Marital aids can be purchased online and at numerous privately owned shops, if you need aid anyway.

So what was your point again?

That some form of government is involved in nearly every aspect of your life and if all of the treaties that are coming up to be voted on by a bunch of lame duck RINO's and pecker necked democrats are ratified foreign governments will be more involved in your life.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 17:50
Interesting that you'd call Doc, of all people here, a troll.

I'll have to look up the definition of "troll" in Paulbot code-speak. It didn't take long to learn that "statist" means someone who is opposed to drug legalization. :smoking:



Be sure to wash your hands before dinner. :whistling:



Here is the best part that these mentally flaccid folks don't get.

they claim that the federal Government had no business and no right to make drugs illegal................what the drips don't understand is.......That means the Federal Government has no business or right to MAKE THEM LEGAL either. that would be up to each State, County, and Municipality.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 17:55
That some form of government is involved in nearly every aspect of your life and if all of the treaties that are coming up to be voted on by a bunch of lame duck RINO's and pecker necked democrats are ratified foreign governments will be more involved in your life.

Well, since I am not a mountain man trapper in the 1700's, there is some contact with the government. I'm pretty happy. I'd make things more free than they are now, lower taxes a bit, and get the deadbeats off my friggin' dime a bit, illegal aliens or citizen's equally.

All in all, things should be more free than they are now. Complete freedom is anarchy. And anarchy is not desirable. There have to be some rules. The founders themselves came up with a few.

Where do we draw the lines. That is all we are talking about.

The Machinist
06-09-2012, 17:56
That's so silly, it has ALWAYS been about Paul. If anyone questions him or his supporters the comes the name calling, like freedom haters, anti-constitutionalists ect ect. Or if Ron Paul isn't elected, the country will die. Are you going to deny that?
As has been stated repeatedly, by multiple people, Ron Paul is the current standard-bearer of limited government, Austrian economics, and personal liberty. This messiah figure is a notion invented by Romney supporters. He's just a man, and is as imperfect as anyone else. My hope is that the ideas championed by him will be taken up by another in the future. Then he too, would have my full support.

I cannot, in good conscience, vote for a known liberal like Romney.

Ruble Noon
06-09-2012, 17:59
Here is the best part that these mentally flaccid folks don't get.

they claim that the federal Government had no business and no right to make drugs illegal................what the drips don't understand is.......That means the Federal Government has no business or right to MAKE THEM LEGAL either. that would be up to each State, County, and Municipality.

Wow, you're on fire junior. Did you just figure this out? Seriously, this exact point has been posted here numerous times.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 18:00
As has been stated repeatedly, by multiple people, Ron Paul is the current standard-bearer of limited government, Austrian economics, and personal liberty. This messiah figure is a notion invented by Romney supporters. He's just a man, and is as imperfect as anyone else. My hope is that the ideas championed by him will be taken up by another in the future. Then he too, would have my full support.

I cannot, in good conscience, vote for a known liberal like Romney.

Machinist,

No kidding, You are usually pretty reasonable. But let's be a bit honest here. ANYONE here that pointed to an imperfection in Dr. L. Ron Paul, got flamed for it. Disrespected. Insulted. Defamed.

And that is to be expected considering the cult like following the good Doctor enjoyed.


One way or the other, this will all settle out. It will be interesting to watch.

:popcorn:

Ruble Noon
06-09-2012, 18:01
As has been stated repeatedly, by multiple people, Ron Paul is the current standard-bearer of limited government, Austrian economics, and personal liberty. This messiah figure is a notion invented by Romney supporters. He's just a man, and is as imperfect as anyone else. My hope is that the ideas championed by him will be taken up by another in the future. Then he too, would have my full support.

I cannot, in good conscience, vote for a known liberal like Romney.

Good post. :wavey:

countrygun
06-09-2012, 18:03
Wow, you're on fire junior. Did you just figure this out? Seriously, this exact point has been posted here numerous times.


Just being helpful to the weed smokers, I was told it causes short-term memory loss,

countrygun
06-09-2012, 18:06
As has been stated repeatedly, by multiple people, Ron Paul is the current standard-bearer of limited government, Austrian economics, and personal liberty. This messiah figure is a notion invented by Romney supporters. He's just a man, and is as imperfect as anyone else. My hope is that the ideas championed by him will be taken up by another in the future. Then he too, would have my full support.

I cannot, in good conscience, vote for a known liberal like Romney.


The "standard bearers" are the voters who push for it in their City Council, School Board, County Commission, State Legislature, L.Ron Paul is just another politician hoping to cash in on a concept.

The Machinist
06-09-2012, 18:08
Just being helpful to the weed smokers, I was told it causes short-term memory loss,
For the record, I've never done pot in my life. Chances are, you've done more drugs than me.

Ruble Noon
06-09-2012, 18:11
The more I think about it, all the RPer gripping about Mitt's record on gun laws, health care, etc., is really hypocritical. Those were all MA (state) laws. So according to the LP beliefs they should all be ok, since the people of that state either voted for them or elected the officials that did. So since they are state laws they are no indication of how Mitt will be as POTUS.

Ignorance is best proven on the internet. :wavey:

Ruble Noon
06-09-2012, 18:12
Just being helpful to the weed smokers, I was told it causes short-term memory loss,

Maybe that is why you didn't remember the point that was made.

The Machinist
06-09-2012, 18:12
The "standard bearers" are the voters who push for it in their City Council, School Board, County Commission, State Legislature, L.Ron Paul is just another politician hoping to cash in on a concept.
How do you reconcile that stupid idea with the fact that Ron Paul's message has remained unchanged for the past three decades? If he was trying to cash in, surely he would have flip-flopped at every turn, like your boy Romney.

kirgi08
06-09-2012, 18:15
:animlol:

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 18:16
Lets all get off the drug use accusations. Only one is an admitted habitual user, the rest can move past this.


Lets try to be reasonable with what is really known.

Rand had endorsed Romney. Not to many 'round these parts like Mittens. But he seems to be the one that will go up against Barry for the presidency. My feelings are clear in my sig. I'd have rather ANY of the candidates had beaten Romney, including Paul. Of the entire field, Romney was my bottom choice. Barry is worse for me though.

First term liberal v. a Second term socialist. It's simple. Unfortunately, it does not seem like anyone else is in the playing.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 18:17
How do you reconcile that stupid idea with the fact that Ron Paul's message has remained unchanged for the past three decades? If he was trying to cash in, surely he would have flip-flopped at every turn, like your boy Romney.


Is this the Same Ron Paul who's message is so good, he couldn't beat Romney in his own district?

Maybe if Paul could compromise instead of trying to impress his followers with his intractability, he would be an effective politician.

Oh, by the way, many cult leaders have never changed their messages either.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 18:19
Lets all get off the drug use accusations. Only one is an admitted habitual user, the rest can move past this.


Lets try to be reasonable with what is really known.

Rand had endorsed Romney. Not to many 'round these parts like Mittens. But he seems to be the one that will go up against Barry for the presidency. My feelings are clear in my sig. I'd have rather ANY of the candidates had beaten Romney, including Paul. Of the entire field, Romney was my bottom choice. Barry is worse for me though.

First term liberal v. a Second term socialist. It's simple. Unfortunately, it does not seem like anyone else is in the playing.


Truly, the worst Republican is better than the best Obama.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 18:20
How do you reconcile that stupid idea with the fact that Ron Paul's message has remained unchanged for the past three decades? If he was trying to cash in, surely he would have flip-flopped at every turn, like your boy Romney.

He was staunchly against spending that was not constitutionally mandated, at least until it was reported that he was submitting earmarks that were not constitutionally mandated.

The excuse that he was just trying to grease some local palms falls a bit short for me.

He put the spending in the bill, then voted against it knowing it would pass anyway. That's pretty easy to figure out if you think about it without any emotion.

G-19
06-09-2012, 18:20
Ignorance is best proven on the internet. :wavey:

Yep, and you are the poster child for that comment.

My post was just using your "logic" to show that laws passed by MA has no bearing on the Presidential election. Romney gave the people of MA what they wanted as a state. States should make their laws not the Federal Govt. is not that what you preach?

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 18:23
Truly, the worst Republican is better than the best Obama.

First term liberal or a second term socialist.

SCOTUS picks.
Spending
1 million other reasons.

Barry really should lose. He needs to lose. But I am prepared either way.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 18:28
First term liberal or a second term socialist.

SCOTUS picks.
Spending
1 million other reasons.

Barry really should lose. He needs to lose. But I am prepared either way.


I think it is the SCOTUS picks and his overall "Government trickles down from the White House to the people" attitude.

The Machinist
06-09-2012, 18:35
Is this the Same Ron Paul who's message is so good, he couldn't beat Romney in his own district?

Maybe if Paul could compromise instead of trying to impress his followers with his intractability, he would be an effective politician.

Oh, by the way, many cult leaders have never changed their messages either.
Liberty and small government are unpopular with the majority of Americans. I don't deny that reality, but then again, I don't view the presidency like a high school popularity contest. I don't make it a habit in life to go along with the crowd just be liked.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 18:39
Liberty and small government are unpopular with the majority of Americans. I don't deny that reality, but then again, I don't view the presidency like a high school popularity contest. I don't make it a habit in life to go along with the crowd just be liked.


I don't give flop about being liked, I want Obama out of the White House ASAP

lancesorbenson
06-09-2012, 18:40
So since they are state laws they are no indication of how Mitt will be as POTUS.

Ok. We aren't supposed to look at what someone did as chief executive of a state as any indication of how they'd behave federally. Brilliant.

The Machinist
06-09-2012, 18:49
I don't give flop about being liked, I want Obama out of the White House ASAP
I don't doubt that for a moment. The Kenyan squatter is a laughing stock. However, what is gained by replacing him with someone who espouses the same ideas, and whose campaign is funded by the same banks? Why not replace Zero with someone who doesn't seek power for its own sake?

This country doesn't need another progressive authoritarian at the helm, regardless of their party affiliation.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 18:54
I don't doubt that for a moment. The Kenyan squatter is a laughing stock. However, what is gained by replacing him with someone who espouses the same ideas, and whose campaign is funded by the same banks? Why not replace Zero with someone who doesn't seek power for its own sake?

This country doesn't need another progressive authoritarian at the helm, regardless of their party affiliation.


Buehler.........Buehler?? If you hadn't skipped class, you would know that there is no one else in the race

TBO
06-09-2012, 18:54
How ironic, the guy who is SO worried about his freedom chooses to live in the State of California.:rofl:
http://mohdarafat.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/gold4.jpg

lancesorbenson
06-09-2012, 18:56
Yep, and you are the poster child for that comment.

My post was just using your "logic" to show that laws passed by MA has no bearing on the Presidential election. Romney gave the people of MA what they wanted as a state. States should make their laws not the Federal Govt. is not that what you preach?

Only problem with your "logic" is that that 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged. Any gun law made by a state should be considered unconstitutional on its face. Romney's record as a state official is then directly related to his fitness for federal office on that issue alone. That is unless of course you think the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean what it says it means.

tyesai
06-09-2012, 18:57
Where are the Paulbots?

For once, I'm interested in their thoughts on Rand Paul endorsing Romney.

If Ron Paul should endorse Romney also, will the Paulbots quit their trashing of Romney and the republican party, and get on board the GOP bandwagon?

I'd be one of those "paulbots" and your answer is no. I have principles. I'll simply not vote, I won't participate, I won't give my consent. If there was a none of the above ballot that would be the one I'd cast.

Besides it isn't all about Ron Paul and most certainly I could give two ****s about Rand as I don't live in Kentucky and he isn't nearly as disciplined as his father.

Many don't understand "paulbots", well I don't understand those that blindly support the GOP. I fail to see how you fail to see how that there is no difference between Obama and Romney. Both have the same banksters supporting them. Both approve of never ending wars and NDAA. The police state will march on with either man at the helm as congress refuses to do their job. They pretty much just decry the POTUS King and let them do whatever they wish.

No matter what you think many of us don't support Ron Paul so we can run around with white noses and hookers in our cars. Quite the contrary.

I've got almost 19 years in the military and I joined because I loved my country, not for health insurance, not for the education, and most certainly not to get out of my podunk little town. Anymore when I'm out and about traveling in Europe I just tell people I'm from Canada, Niagara Falls area, I won't admit I'm American half the time.

Although I'm still young I remember when we didn't torture, I remember the days before we had drones killing 6 little kids to get one "terrorist", I remember the days before TSA grouped our wives and children at airports, should I go on?

Ron Paul admonished these actions and he gave those that were principled, liberty, freedom loving individuals a voice on the national stage but we knew he was done. Many hoped that Rand would pick up were his father left off but that is clearly not going to happen. Hence the discourse.

Until something better comes along I'm pretty much done with worrying about national politics. It is all a fairy tale anyway. Rich NGO's run the country, your opinion counts for dick. I'd be surprised if most Americans want endless war, torture, and a bankrupt country but this is what we have.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 19:00
What the country needs as a leader is, as of yet, unknown. Ron Paul's fiscal responsibility mixed with Reagan's leadership ability and understanding of human nature might be a good mix. I don't see that guy or gal out there just yet. Wish I did, but I don't.

So, none of the choices available, Mittens, Bary, or even Ron are all that great to me.
They all suck in their own special way. Barry sucks the worst.

So, it makes sense to vote in a way that makes him lose to me.

Paulbots are committed to paul winning the nomination. But even if he does that, he will crash and burn. It's just going to be the way it will be.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 19:05
Only problem with your "logic" is that that 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged. Any gun law made by a state should be considered unconstitutional on its face. Romney's record as a state official is then directly related to his fitness for federal office on that issue alone. That is unless of course you think the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean what it says it means.

What should be is debatable. Should a convicted child molester that shot his previous wife to death, that is released from prison today, with a statement on file that he refuses to take his anti-psychotic medications, while spitting curse words and spittle at the clerks at the local gun store, is he still rightfully allowed to buy a gun, while threatening to kill himself and his girlfriend/boyfriend, because they have both been cheating on him......?

If the answer is no, then there are limits to the right. As there are for all rights.

Reality is what it is, we have to decide where to draw the lines.

countrygun
06-09-2012, 19:09
I've got almost 19 years in the military and I joined because I loved my country, not for health insurance, not for the education, and most certainly not to get out of my podunk little town. Anymore when I'm out and about traveling in Europe I just tell people I'm from Canada, Niagara Falls area, I won't admit I'm American half the time.


When will be the first time, like Mrs. Obama, you will be "Proud of your Country"?


Although I'm still young I remember when we didn't torture, I remember the days before we had drones killing 6 little kids to get one "terrorist", I remember the days before TSA grouped our wives and children at airports, should I go on?

Did you ever hear of the days when we won wars by destrying entire cities? Worked pretty well. I think you have a "politically correct" memory, and very selective, desingned to ignore that which doesn't fit the way you want it to.


Ron Paul admonished these actions and he gave those that were principled, liberty, freedom loving individuals a voice on the national stage but we knew he was done. Many hoped that Rand would pick up were his father left off but that is clearly not going to happen. Hence the discourse.

Until something better comes along I'm pretty much done with worrying about national politics. It is all a fairy tale anyway. Rich NGO's run the country, your opinion counts for dick. I'd be surprised if most Americans want endless war, torture, and a bankrupt country but this is what we have.


Hmmm, let's see, Ron Paul has completely failed, and the paulites are upset because Rand isn't following in his footsteps. What a brilliant group:upeyes:

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 19:12
Hey chicken,

I've been called just about everything but a white boy by paulistas. I've not held that against Paul. Paulbots have attacked and email spammed and threatened members of the media, including some physical attacks. Those guys haven't been as forgiving as I have been. I've been called all sorts of names, I've had my service to my country degraded, had my professional ability questioned, and all for nothing more than I am not a Ron Paul fan. I really do like the guy. I just don't love him. When I see things said by his disciples that claim he is perfect in a way, I can find places where he is not as perfect as the paulistinians think he is. That's not a matter of hate, it is a matter of accuracy.

So, you'll have to pardon me if I point out the meltdown going on in the paulisphere because Rand endorsed Romney with a big wet sloppy endorsement.

It is now a matter of sincere speculation, whether or not THE L. Ron Paul will endorse Romney himself, in trade for some political favors...

No Big deal. You're not a POS for being shocked by that. You're parents were most likely married at the time of your birth, and I would not question that based on your support of L. Ron Paul, so I'm just asking for you to return the favor.

I'm just a guy. I disagree with Paul about 50% of the time. I'm still a good guy. If you agree with Ron Paul 100% of the time, that is no reason for me to think you are also not a good guy.

But your manners, that is a reason to think less of you. Up till now, I chalked it up to you being emotional. That excuse doesn't hold water for long.

What does that have to do with me? And how does that excuse your trollish behavior on any thread about Ron Paul?

Think whatever you want, no really, have it, you have my permission. I'm just a guy.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 19:22
What does that have to do with me? And how does that excuse your trollish behavior on any thread about Ron Paul?

Think whatever you want, no really, have it, you have my permission. I'm just a guy like you.

I had a chicken on the grill tonight. As I cut the spine away from the rest of the body, I thought of you. As I broke the wishbone by pushing down on it, I thought of you again. As I heated up the grill, and laid the heated cast iron pan on it, with a brick to give it weight, I thought about you.

My thoughts about you were flippin' delicious. Thanks.

Keep crying about it, those tears are delicious too.


The fact is, it is becoming apparent that the Paul's are less than perfect. I've been saying so for quite a while.

I'm, here to notice. You are gonna have to get the F over it. And if you don't, that will be funny to me.

:wavey:

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 19:25
I had a chicken on the grill tonight. As I cut the spine away from the rest of the body, I thought of you. As I broke the wishbone by pushing down on it, I thought of you again. As I heated up the grill, and laid the heated cast iron pan on it, with a brick to give it weight, I thought about you.

My thoughts about you were flippin' delicious. Thanks.

Keep crying about it, those tears are delicious too.


The fact is, it is becoming apparent that the Paul's are less than perfect. I've been saying so for quite a while.

I'm, here to notice. You are gonna have to get the F over it. And if you don't, that will be funny to me.

:wavey:

I'm not crying about anything, just stating that you are a troll. I see it has touched a nerve. Get the F over it. :wavey:

tyesai
06-09-2012, 19:28
Hmmm, let's see, Ron Paul has completely failed, and the paulites are upset because Rand isn't following in his footsteps. What a brilliant group:upeyes:

You don't get it, you really don't. Have you no principles? Have you no philosophy in your life? No passion or love? What wouldn't you compromise in your life?

Many are upset about Rand, I'm not personally, I could see a long time ago Rand was much more of a politician than his dad.

But I understand completely why many are upset. You're talking about people that don't just like freedom and liberty they love it, they espouse it at every chance. You'd be pissed if you believed in something and found out that it wasn't true. Keep in mind that we aren't talking about belief in the Easter Bunny friend. We are talking about values, we are talking about ****ing CORE values and when someone betrays a persons core values you can bet it is going to be upsetting.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 19:31
I'm not crying about anything, just stating that you are a troll. I see it has touched a nerve. Get the F over it. :wavey:

Awww. That's cute. Well, not really.


Ron Paul is not perfect, in any meaning of the word. He is conflicted in his statements and actions, and is no worse, and probably better than most humans, but falls short of deity status for me, and about 95% of America.

Yer cryin' yer sister's heart out. It's easy to see.

G29Reload
06-09-2012, 19:33
And replaced with another big-government liberal, got it. Ignore history, and repeat. Great plan. :upeyes: Worked out great so far.

Ok, smart guy, what's the third choice?



YES. Its the LESSER OF TWO EVILs. That's what we have.

Would you like the greater of two evils? Must be an Obama supporter.

Some people still don't get it. There are TWO CHOICES. Pick one.

tyesai
06-09-2012, 19:36
I had a chicken on the grill tonight. As I cut the spine away from the rest of the body, I thought of you. As I broke the wishbone by pushing down on it, I thought of you again. As I heated up the grill, and laid the heated cast iron pan on it, with a brick to give it weight, I thought about you.

My thoughts about you were flippin' delicious. Thanks.

Keep crying about it, those tears are delicious too.


The fact is, it is becoming apparent that the Paul's are less than perfect. I've been saying so for quite a while.

I'm, here to notice. You are gonna have to get the F over it. And if you don't, that will be funny to me.

:wavey:

You know what you're right! I'm a little pissed at myself because I kind of take pride in being a bit of skeptic but I never really looked at them with a critical eye. I still love Ron Paul and his message, he's served as honorably as anyone can in the world of Washington.

Here is the thing, it seems that Ron is going to compromise for Rands political career. I can see that, I'd do anything for my son too. The problem is that Ron didn't get his "following" by compromising. Either you're for freedom and liberty or you're for putting boots on peoples necks. There is no compromise.

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 19:38
Awww. That's cute. Well, not really.


Ron Paul is not perfect, in any meaning of the word. He is conflicted in his statements and actions, and is no worse, and probably better than most humans, but falls short of deity status for me, and about 95% of America.

Yer cryin' yer sister's heart out. It's easy to see.

Where did I ever post he was perfect?

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 19:41
You know what you're right! I'm a little pissed at myself because I kind of take pride in being a bit of skeptic but I never really looked at them with a critical eye. I still love Ron Paul and his message, he's served as honorably as anyone can in the world of Washington.

Here is the thing, it seems that Ron is going to compromise for Rands political career. I can see that, I'd do anything for my son too. The problem is that Ron didn't get his "following" by compromising. Either you're for freedom and liberty or you're for putting boots on peoples necks. There is no compromise.

Just a friendly tip. Don't put too much faith in the messenger, and go with the message. Even if that leads to a conflict.



I'm for freedom, and I've had to put a boot on a neck or two overseas. Been shot at, and shot back too.

I was fighting for liberty. Missed seeing a lot of people posting here when I was there, because they haven't been there.



Don't be a digital thinker in an analog world.

chickenwing
06-09-2012, 19:43
Ok, smart guy, what's the third choice?



YES. Its the LESSER OF TWO EVILs. That's what we have.

Would you like the greater of two evils? Must be an Obama supporter.

Some people still don't get it. There are TWO CHOICES. Pick one.

There are more then two parties.

Nope, I will not vote for a progressive, it's pretty simple. If you will, well that's your business.

Cavalry Doc
06-09-2012, 19:44
Where did I ever post he was perfect?

Oh what an elegant backpedal..........

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJaYjxnfYCQa-U8CdA9-mqXxh0MYswV5RbL8rcx3E8N6zuZgReFUB4akneIA



Gurf,lat. :upeyes: