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hearsedriver
06-09-2012, 13:14
What years was Glock making thier very best guns ?

cowboy1964
06-09-2012, 13:17
Gen 3 up until a few years ago.

hearsedriver
06-09-2012, 13:18
That doesnt answer my question............ WHAT YEAR (S) ??

blackbirdzach
06-09-2012, 13:19
Gotta agree with the cowboy. In my experience, Gen 3's are the best. Not sure on the actual production years. But look for one with the Black barrel and not the Grey barrel. ...although my Gray barrel model 17 has been perfect.

trozau
06-09-2012, 13:19
Crescent slide serration RTF2 Gen 3s.

blackbirdzach
06-09-2012, 13:22
My best guess on years of production are late 1990's until 2009 or so.

22rtf2
06-09-2012, 13:25
I've owned several 19s and the two Gen 2s I have left are the best of the bunch (1989 and 1990). I had a Gen 3 that was flawless as well I just had to make room in the safe.

My Gen 2s will never see hands other than mine until I leave this existence.

cowboy1964
06-09-2012, 13:31
That doesnt answer my question............ WHAT YEAR (S) ??

I don't think anyone knows the exact date when Gen 3's started slipping. Like the other guy said, maybe 2009.

cowboy1964
06-09-2012, 13:33
I've owned several 19s and the two Gen 2s I have left are the best of the bunch (1989 and 1990).

The Gen 2 grip was (is) awesome. Glock never should have done the finger grooves BS. None of my other guns have them.

SJ 40
06-09-2012, 13:36
I know I am not interested in purchasing any Glock pistol manufactured after 2006,but that's just me. I do carry a list of Glock serial number prefixes with me,always looking for a deal on another Glock the prefix KND is where I stop at Period. SJ 40

Queen Bee
06-09-2012, 13:39
Look for any Glock with a 3 digit L letter serial or before.
It should have a black barrel and a nice deep black finish on the slide.
thats your clue. i believe that makes it 2007 ish?

22rtf2
06-09-2012, 13:40
The Gen 2 grip was (is) awesome. Glock never should have done the finger grooves BS. None of my other guns have them.

Really, I would love them to bring back the Gen 1. That 25th anniv 17 should have the texture on my 17. I think a lot of people would love it.

PAGunner
06-09-2012, 13:41
I know I am not interested in purchasing any Glock pistol manufactured after 2006,but that's just me. I do carry a list of Glock serial number prefixes with me,always looking for a deal on another Glock the prefix KND is where I stop at Period. SJ 40

My 19 is an LZT 2008 and has been unGodly flawless. If my gun is any indication, I'd say any glock around that number is GTG.

Queen Bee
06-09-2012, 13:42
im with SJ on most of his comments. though the L serial is still good.

FTjoe
06-09-2012, 14:00
Really, I would love them to bring back the Gen 1. That 25th anniv 17 should have the texture on my 17. I think a lot of people would love it.

that would be great!!! the glock 40 could be a retro version (reintroduction) of the glock 17. slogan could be: "when perfection mattered."

fgutie35
06-09-2012, 14:13
Mine, I believe is an early gen 3 with the finger grooves but with only one pin above the triger. I bought it in the late 90's and from the first time I opened the tappeware, I knew this was a high quality weapon. Ramp was polished to a mirror finish and protected by a smooth tenifer finish. All other parts fitted to very closed tolerances, like a japanese engine, and no machine mark or metal residue anywhere. This gun, even today looks like the day I bought it. Exept for a scratch on the rail where I tried to force in a laser mount.:embarassed:

SJ 40
06-09-2012, 14:48
im with SJ on most of his comments. though the L serial is still good.I just like that little lee way . I know when Glock does a change like say Gen 2,2 1/2 and 3 their is some over lap in the serial numbers. It would appear as though they come across some frames and they run them until their supply of parts is exhausted.

That would make sense from a manufacturing stand point.I know historically Colt and Ruger do quite a few clean up runs and my best bet is Glock follows suit. SJ 40

hearsedriver
06-09-2012, 15:16
Thanks for the responses. I too carry a sereial number list with me but wasnt sure of the cut-off when they started decreaseing in quality. I saw 2 Gen 2's at the gun show today that I wanted. One was a 1995 19 Gen 2 for $425.00 but he seller was a jerk and wouldnt let me remove the slide to examine it so i walked. The other was a super clean 1993 17L Gen 2. Absolutely like new with box and papers, etc. I could have got it for $510.00 OTD but wasnt sure if it was a good deal or good peroid for Glock. Didnt really need it either but, it was super clean.

hearsedriver
06-09-2012, 15:22
Thanks for the responses. I too carry a sereial number list with me but wasnt sure of the cut-off when they started decreaseing in quality. I saw 2 Gen 2's at the gun show today that I wanted. One was a 1995 19 Gen 2 for $425.00 but he seller was a jerk and wouldnt let me remove the slide to examine it so i walked. The other was a super clean 1993 17L Gen 2. Absolutely like new with box and papers, etc. I could have got it for $510.00 OTD but wasnt sure if it was a good deal or good peroid for Glock. Didnt really need it either but, it was super clean.

SJ 40
06-09-2012, 15:23
Thanks for the responses. I too carry a sereial number list with me but wasnt sure of the cut-off when they started decreaseing in quality. I saw 2 Gen 2's at the gun show today that I wanted. One was a 1995 19 Gen 2 for $425.00 but he seller was a jerk and wouldnt let me remove the slide to examine it so i walked. The other was a super clean 1993 17L Gen 2. Absolutely like new with box and papers, etc. I could have got it for $510.00 OTD but wasnt sure if it was a good deal or good peroid for Glock. Didnt really need it either but, it was super clean.Hearsedriver
Any Gen 2 is fine, the G 19 sounds like the best deal although I can't examine the gun and I would walk also. SJ 40

Cole125
06-09-2012, 16:43
My best guess on years of production are late 1990's until 2009 or so.

That sounds about right.

That said I have two mid 2011 production gen 3 Glock 19s, that have been flawless over many thousands of rounds.

I don't think recent Glocks are worse, but they let their quality slip a little in recent years. If you get a good one, its as good as it used to be. Another thing is there are WAY more Glock owners(and gun owners in general) now than 3 or 4 years ago, and if someone has a problem with their gun they go online and post about it.

bac1023
06-09-2012, 16:47
I think its definitely the Gen 3 models of the mid to late 2000's.

WarEagle32
06-10-2012, 01:19
I love my Gen 4's now!

INEEDMILK
06-10-2012, 02:10
That sounds about right.

That said I have two mid 2011 production gen 3 Glock 19s, that have been flawless over many thousands of rounds.

I don't think recent Glocks are worse, but they let their quality slip a little in recent years. If you get a good one, its as good as it used to be. Another thing is there are WAY more Glock owners(and gun owners in general) now than 3 or 4 years ago, and if someone has a problem with their gun they go online and post about it.

yea this is definitely a big factor

there could have been ****loads of people with problematic gen 3s in 2004, but you wouldn't hear about it that often because only a small percentage of people were involved with online communities.

even my friends who have gen3s today from the mid 2000s still have erratic ejection problems, but they were never concerned enough about it to make a stink.

PlasticGuy
06-10-2012, 09:31
I don't think Glock quality is worse now than it was in 2009. I do think the Glock design is worse.

The 2008 production Glock I was previously issued was flawless, as was the 2004 version I carried before that, and the 2000 production one I had before that. The 2010 production Gen 4 they issued in its place was a total piece of crap. We had so many problems with them that Glock recalled and replaced the whole batch. The 2011 Gen 4's that Glock swapped them out with are better, but still not as reliable as our Gen 3's were. The fit and finish on our Gen 4's is fine, but the design itself is an epic charlie foxtrot.

unit1069
06-10-2012, 09:32
What years was Glock making thier very best guns ?

I really couldn't say, but the only Glock I own is a 3rd generation with starting serial letter H. I looked it up once and I believe it was made in late '06 or early '07. It's the only firearm I've ever owned that's been perfect since Day One, with a large variety of JHP and FMJ ammo run through it.

Stock Perfection
01-20-2013, 15:34
hearsedriver- I used to own a G-19, approx 1990, ser# MD750US, operated almost flawlessly through 30,000 rounds of anything 9mm, bone stock from the factory without the 6-part update. Clean/inspect, load, fire, repeat, no modifications.

SCmasterblaster
01-20-2013, 16:00
Look for any Glock with a 3 digit L letter serial or before.
It should have a black barrel and a nice deep black finish on the slide.
thats your clue. i believe that makes it 2007 ish?

I have a 5-digit L serno and it works just fine.

splitfinger09
01-20-2013, 16:06
I love my Gen 3 NDW*** RTF2 G17.

M 7
01-20-2013, 16:11
Anything prior to but not including Jan 2009 is good- after that, where it is alleged that Glock stopped using the molten salt bath process for Tenifer (the date seems to be 2009-2011 depending upon who you are listening to), I am out.

Of course, all of mine fall before that date, the last having an MMX prefix (12/2008)

AR15 guy
01-20-2013, 17:10
My 19 is an LZT 2008 and has been unGodly flawless. If my gun is any indication, I'd say any glock around that number is GTG.

My 19 is from the same era and it has also been amazingly reliable.

My newer gen 3 23 and gen 4 17 have been amazing (so far). However, they haven't hit 5k rounds like my 19.

Steel Head
01-20-2013, 17:28
Gen 3 up until a few years ago.

I agree with this.
When I bought my last Glock(late 2009) I knew there would be NO problems with it.

Now days :dunno:

conpro
01-20-2013, 17:39
All of them are good. 1980 to 2013.

tbone1964
01-21-2013, 06:52
My Glock 17 circa 2003 is an absolute gem never an issue, my g22 rtf2g circa 2009 aso no issues and my new g27 test fire date of 07/06/12 has no issues with 500 rounds thru it, shiny slide so it has the "old" tenifer process on it

Bill Lumberg
01-21-2013, 07:03
Gen 2 through whenever their last production run was. Latest gen 4's I have are from mid last year. Flawless.

What years was Glock making thier very best guns ?

redrick
01-21-2013, 07:32
Anything prior to but not including Jan 2009 is good- after that, where it is alleged that Glock stopped using the molten salt bath process for Tenifer (the date seems to be 2009-2011 depending upon who you are listening to), I am out.

Of course, all of mine fall before that date, the last having an MMX prefix (12/2008)

I agree.

Ryobi
01-21-2013, 09:55
As good as ever for duty use. As far as rumor land, quality peaked right before the advent of chat rooms and bulletin boards.

chemboy
01-21-2013, 10:01
Out of my (current) collection of Glocks(7 total) 5 of them were manufactured after Jan 2011. All five of those have been flawless thus far,with ~ 2000 rds total downrange. Now I realize 2K isn't a lot of shooting, but it is enough to get (some) idea of a weapon's reliability, IMO.

g29onboard
01-21-2013, 10:13
Look for any Glock with a 3 digit L letter serial or before.


This. Although I have 2 perfect Gen 4s.

jtrudel31
01-21-2013, 15:15
As good as ever for duty use. As far as rumor land, quality peaked right before the advent of chat rooms and bulletin boards.

Could not agree more. Well put.

greenlion
01-21-2013, 15:28
I liked the older Gen 3's with the slick finish on the slide. That is what I would look for because I can't tell the year by serial numbers. I do really like my Gen 4 40 calibers though that dual spring setup takes some bite out of the 40's recoil.

mdrums
01-21-2013, 16:45
I had a Gen4 G27 from late 2011 that was flawless and I know have a few weeks old Gen4 G17. I'd like to get an older Glock Gen3 though. Where can I get this list of serial numbers to tell manufacture dates?...thanks!

M 7
01-21-2013, 19:42
Where can I get this list of serial numbers to tell manufacture dates?...thanks!


Here you go, man- http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1445829

:cool:

Officer's Match
01-21-2013, 19:59
I love my Gen 3 NDW*** RTF2 G17.

Great results from my Gen3 NEW*** RTF2((( G22.

SargeMO
01-21-2013, 20:51
First of all, we are talking about a plastic service pistol. It isn't like the various makers and phases of the 1911 or Browning HiPower, where the better examples stand out.

I personally think the best examples of the Glock are those produced after chamber support in the .40 S&W models was improved. I can't tell you precisely when this occurred but it was well underway by 2009.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x187/SargeMO/CaseSupport2-1.jpg
http://sargesrollcall.blogspot.com/2009/09/lone-wolf-distributors-barrel-for-glock.html

2009 should get you the other upgrades as well. I personally like the 'loaded chamber indicator' extractor and I'm OK with the Gen 3 finger grooves. I personally liked the no-rail dust cover but I guess Gaston forgot to ask me about that before they incorporated it.

AGAF
01-21-2013, 22:13
I have a March 2008 G26 that has been absolutely perfect. It will fire anything I want to run through it. That goes from reduced power to +P+ and any bullet nose design known to man. I just clean it periodically and carry it daily. I will NEVER part with this gun. My 26 has the black barrel and the slide has the Tenifer finish.

chemboy
01-21-2013, 22:19
First of all, we are talking about a plastic service pistol. It isn't like the various makers and phases of the 1911 or Browning HiPower, where the better examples stand out.

I personally think the best examples of the Glock are those produced after chamber support in the .40 S&W models was improved. I can't tell you precisely when this occurred but it was well underway by 2009.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x187/SargeMO/CaseSupport2-1.jpg
http://sargesrollcall.blogspot.com/2009/09/lone-wolf-distributors-barrel-for-glock.html

2009 should get you the other upgrades as well. I personally like the 'loaded chamber indicator' extractor and I'm OK with the Gen 3 finger grooves. I personally liked the no-rail dust cover but I guess Gaston forgot to ask me about that before they incorporated it.

Great photo, Sarge!
One more reason to like my Gen4 G23! :supergrin:

HEXE9
01-21-2013, 22:33
As good as ever for duty use. As far as rumor land, quality peaked right before the advent of chat rooms and bulletin boards.
^-----this-----^

uaengineer
01-21-2013, 22:54
I trust my life to a couple Gen 4's so I think the quality in recent years is just fine.

Wolfdad
01-21-2013, 23:17
I like the Gen 2's as a whole, but Gen 3's up to mid 2009 are very good. My 2007 G17L to me is about as good as it gets. My Gen 2 Glocks some say are even better. I personally much prefer the Gen 2 grip.

Seawolf
01-22-2013, 02:42
Once Glock went back and tweaked the Gen4 9mm guns everything was good again. That first year they came out was not a good one for Glock though. The 40S&W and up were great, but that stiffer dual spring was a pain in the ars for Glock until they got the spring weight down enough. People still complain about brass to the face, but I think sometimes people are too sissy about that stuff. I can't think of a single gun I own that slings brass out into a neat little pile. Sometimes brass hits you in the face. lol

INEEDMILK
01-22-2013, 13:17
Coincidentally everyone's opinion on when Glock quality fell off is exactly 1 month after the production date of their most recent Glock.

AR15 guy
01-25-2013, 10:18
I just bought a g34 that has a test fire date of 12/31/12... I'll see how it runs Sunday.

Electrikkoolaid
01-25-2013, 10:31
Sometime in 2006 would be the top of the bell-curve for me.

CincyBrad
01-25-2013, 10:45
All of mine are from 2006-2008 production. Never had a single malfunction or ejection issue with any, and all of them have at least 3-4k rounds through them. The G19 has closer to 8k rounds fired.