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FCoulter
06-09-2012, 14:10
http://www.babylonforsaken.com/WhatReallyHappenedin1844AV.doc

Kingarthurhk
06-09-2012, 15:28
Please excuse me, but why are you such an horses arse?

.....

FCoulter
06-09-2012, 15:33
.....

By far the best reply you have ever given...

Thank you, Sir

Kingarthurhk
06-09-2012, 16:04
http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/recovery/testimony/coulter.htm

http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2012/03/fred-coulter-transhumans-to-rule-earth.html

http://livingarmstrongism.blogspot.com/2009/05/personal-reminisces-and-robidoux-cult.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/restimes/message/418

FCoulter
06-09-2012, 16:14
http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/recovery/testimony/coulter.htm

http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2012/03/fred-coulter-transhumans-to-rule-earth.html

http://livingarmstrongism.blogspot.com/2009/05/personal-reminisces-and-robidoux-cult.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/restimes/message/418

You really need some professional help.

Did you even read what I posted? Be honest.

I bet you just went into temper tantrum mode and started posting hate sites......:)

Kingarthurhk
06-09-2012, 18:34
You really need some professional help.

Did you even read what I posted? Be honest.

I bet you just went into temper tantrum mode and started posting hate sites......:)

I am not angry. But, thanks for asking.

packsaddle
06-10-2012, 14:42
why wasn't the NIV edition quoted?

is there something about the NIV that offends the SDA?

don't know much about SDA, just curious.

Vic Hays
06-10-2012, 15:17
why wasn't the NIV edition quoted?

is there something about the NIV that offends the SDA?

don't know much about SDA, just curious.

The NIV is fine, however, it was translated from a different ancient text than most of the other translations.

Textus Vaticanus vs Textus Receptus with some reliance on the Latin Vulgate.

The Textus Receptus was the text used by all of the old time Christian Churches and was used for the translation of all of the older Protestant Bible versions.

The NIV is also not exactly a translation, it was translated using what is called "dynamic translation" which means the translators used their best understanding rather than literal translation. This makes the NIV somewhat of a paraphrase and somewhat biased by the translators. The translation loses accuracy and subtle clues as to the meaning with dynamic translation.

There are some places where this bias is very pronounced in the NIV. I think this is why many SDA's do not really like the NIV, but I know of some that prefer it.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8162138_problems-niv-translation.html
"One of the primary flaws of the NIV translation is its reliance upon the Latin Vulgate. The Vulgate was the first standard interpretation of the Bible, but to rely on it solely as a source material leads to a poor translation. For instance, in Matthew 16:18, the Vulgate quotes Christ saying: you are "Petros" and on this "petra" I will build my church. Because the original Greek uses "Cephas" (rock) in both instances, this translation is accurate, for "petros" means a rock, and "petra" means bedrock. Because it would be improper to assign the feminine word "petra" to a man (Simon Peter), the Vulgate uses the masculine "Petros" instead. This meaning is lost in the NIV, however, for in it Christ is quoted as saying: you are "Peter" and on this "rock" etc. By relying solely on the Latin Vulgate, the crucial naming of Simon Peter, among other passages, is mishandled by the NIV."


Hope this answers your question.

Kingarthurhk
06-10-2012, 15:23
why wasn't the NIV edition quoted?

is there something about the NIV that offends the SDA?

don't know much about SDA, just curious.

I've always liked the NIV. This is because I want the information as clear and obvious as possible.

FCoulter
06-10-2012, 16:54
I've always liked the NIV. This is because I want the information as clear and obvious as possible.

This is why I even though I dont agree with,respect Vic's responses more than well....

fowl intent
06-13-2012, 13:55
I give up. What really did happen in 1844?

FCoulter
06-13-2012, 14:04
I give up. What really did happen in 1844?

A false prophet was exposed.

Vic Hays
06-13-2012, 14:55
A false prophet was exposed.

What was the name of that prophet? Was it Fred?

What was the prophecy about?

FCoulter
06-13-2012, 15:10
What was the name of that prophet? Was it Fred?

What was the prophecy about?

http://www.babylonforsaken.com/WhatReallyHappenedin1844AV.doc

Vic Hays
06-13-2012, 15:27
http://www.babylonforsaken.com/WhatReallyHappenedin1844AV.doc

Are you saying that William Miller was a false prophet?

FCoulter
06-13-2012, 16:22
http://www.babylonforsaken.com/WhatReallyHappenedin1844AV.doc

Are you saying that William Miller was a false prophet?

Yes, and others with him.

Kingarthurhk
06-13-2012, 16:45
Yes, and others with him.


Including Fred Coulter?

steveksux
06-13-2012, 17:20
I am not angry. But, thanks for asking.Wow, I'm jealous. I don't have a hate site dedicated to me. You don't either, do you?

What are we doing wrong? :supergrin:

Randy

FCoulter
06-13-2012, 17:37
Including Fred Coulter?

I know its asking ALOT of you but read the article I posted and you will see whom you seek.

Vic Hays
06-13-2012, 18:50
I know its asking ALOT of you but read the article I posted and you will see whom you seek.

Just because it is in writing doesn't make it either accurate or true. It is someone's opinion and everyone has one of those.

One of the things that was published in 1859 was "Origin of the Species" by Darwin.

William Miller was a Baptist minister. He made an error as to the event that was to happen in 1844. He never claimed to be a prophet so he couldn't be a false prophet. There is nothing wrong with making a sincere error. The fact is that the calculations of the time period were correct. It was the event that Miller got wrong.

The Adventists studied the Bible to see what the error was in Miller's understanding of the Bible.

When in doubt seek wisdom from the Bible. Nothing wrong with that.

Kingarthurhk
06-13-2012, 18:53
Wow, I'm jealous. I don't have a hate site dedicated to me. You don't either, do you?

What are we doing wrong? :supergrin:

Randy

I used to have my own website, actually. It is hard to maintain one without a good web programmer though. But, it was not dedicated to me though. LOL

Kingarthurhk
06-13-2012, 18:54
I know its asking ALOT of you but read the article I posted and you will see whom you seek.

I am just saying, Fred Coulter prophesied about transhumanism. Not seeing that yet.

Vic Hays
06-13-2012, 22:54
I am just saying, Fred Coulter prophesied about transhumanism. Not seeing that yet.


Is that right? Fred Coulter prophesied something that has not come to pass? :shocked:

FCoulter
06-14-2012, 04:06
Is that right? Fred Coulter prophesied something that has not come to pass? :shocked:

No,it is not right, as usual king is a confused child.

Kingarthurhk
06-14-2012, 05:17
No,it is not right, as usual king is a confused child.

ttp://www.cbcg.org/letters/letter_2011_12.htm

http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2012/03/fred-coulter-transhumans-to-rule-earth.html

More lilke middle-aged man, but thanks for taking miles of the odometer.

FCoulter
06-14-2012, 06:14
ttp://www.cbcg.org/letters/letter_2011_12.htm

http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2012/03/fred-coulter-transhumans-to-rule-earth.html

More lilke middle-aged man, but thanks for taking miles of the odometer.

Ill tel you what listen or read these, then you are free to pass judgement, however your previous claim is unfounded and I can prove you a liar if you like.

http://www.cbcg.org/transhumanism.html

Smacktard
06-14-2012, 09:23
This thread is unbelievable, just like God!



...

Vic Hays
06-14-2012, 11:41
Ill tel you what listen or read these, then you are free to pass judgement, however your previous claim is unfounded and I can prove you a liar if you like.

http://www.cbcg.org/transhumanism.html

I fail to see how you can do the same to E W with a clear conscience. You have passed judgment and are actively persecuting the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

What makes you any better than anyone else?

FCoulter
06-14-2012, 11:58
I fail to see how you can do the same to E W with a clear conscience. You have passed judgment and are actively persecuting the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

What makes you any better than anyone else?

I only "passed judgement" after reading her materal and doing research on it.


Can you say the same about "Fred"?


With tha said, not everything about sda's is wrong or bad, I just feel she missed the mark in certain areas.




I actually have respect for you Vic, now king A. Thats another story, but you cant win them all.

Tilley
06-14-2012, 13:03
This thread is unbelievable...

Battle of the cults...:whistling:

Vic Hays
06-14-2012, 14:19
Battle of the cults...:whistling:

How do you define a cult? Is it following a man other than Christ? If so you need to be in the battle too.

Vic Hays
06-14-2012, 14:24
I only "passed judgement" after reading her materal and doing research on it.

Can you say the same about "Fred"?

With tha said, not everything about sda's is wrong or bad, I just feel she missed the mark in certain areas.


I actually have respect for you Vic, now king A. Thats another story, but you cant win them all.

So in some areas you do not agree with EW? Does that make you a true prophet because you have the "truth".

I can say the same about Fred because I investigated the WWCOG pretty thouroughly in the past.

You are just a runaway from Herbert Armstrong as far as I can tell.

Your philosophies are based on inferences from the Bible, but they do not fit other scriptures. An example of this is thinking that Jesus blood erased sin, however, the text said "cleanses" from sin. This is an inaccurate assumption on your part.

FCoulter
06-14-2012, 14:39
So in some areas you do not agree with EW? Does that make you a true prophet because you have the "truth".

I can say the same about Fred because I investigated the WWCOG pretty thouroughly in the past.

You are just a runaway from Herbert Armstrong as far as I can tell.

Your philosophies are based on inferences from the Bible, but they do not fit other scriptures. An example of this is thinking that Jesus blood erased sin, however, the text said "cleanses" from sin. This is an inaccurate assumption on your part.



Vic you disappoint me. "Fred" cut himself off from the WWCG yrs go for doctrinal differences.




So to understand the CBCG please study it.


Also


Atonement is needed because of the depravity of man (Romans 1-3). The LORD God is a holy God and He can not look upon sin. The word "atone" has the idea of "to wipe out," "to erase," "to cover." It is often translated "to make atonement," "forgive," "pardon," "purge," and "reconcile."

Kingarthurhk
06-14-2012, 15:25
Vic you disappoint me. "Fred" cut himself off from the WWCG yrs go for doctrinal differences.

It wasn't extreme enough?


So to understand the CBCG please study it.

So far it has been a raving disapointment.

FCoulter
06-14-2012, 16:02
It wasn't extreme enough?



So far it has been a raving disapointment.


See I can leave the WWCG and its ok, we dont take vows upon baptism to any denomination or person.


Can you honestly say the same?

FCoulter
06-14-2012, 16:08
So far it has been a raving disapointment.


Thats ok as well, we also cater to those on your level.


No need to thank me.


http://cbcg.org/Children_books/0_Sabbath_hi-res.pdf

Vic Hays
06-14-2012, 18:48
Vic you disappoint me. "Fred" cut himself off from the WWCG yrs go for doctrinal differences.


So to understand the CBCG please study it.

Also

Atonement is needed because of the depravity of man (Romans 1-3). The LORD God is a holy God and He can not look upon sin. The word "atone" has the idea of "to wipe out," "to erase," "to cover." It is often translated "to make atonement," "forgive," "pardon," "purge," and "reconcile."

Forgiving does not mean that the sins do not need to be dealt with. Jesus is High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary because He is dealing with the sin problem. Philosophy does not carry much weight against the Bible.

Most of your doctrines are the same or nearly the same as Herbert Armstrong who was off on just about everything including the Gospel which is very central to Christianity.

I have not noted that you have much love for Jesus outside of a legalistic type of obedience that you profess. By your posts I would say that you seem to be a very controlling and opinionated person. If you are actually a Christian at all you are a very immature one.

I am the one who has been disappointed.

Kingarthurhk
06-14-2012, 21:43
Thats ok as well, we also cater to those on your level.


No need to thank me.


http://cbcg.org/Children_books/0_Sabbath_hi-res.pdf

I won't. You are teaching me one key imporant point about myself; however, and it is my own personal struggle in my Christian walk. I have adressed it in another thread. You are a vile person. Jesus tells me to love you. I am trying. I need his help to do that. He has taught me small lessons in this regard, but it is my biggest struggle. I suspect it is for most people who take the cross.

Tilley
06-14-2012, 22:18
How do you define a cult? Is it following a man other than Christ? If so you need to be in the battle too.

I apologize if I offended you Vic. Although I claim to be a Catholic, I actually claim no denomination other than my relationship with Christ. I feel uncomfortable when someone tells me about salvation based of acts and not faith. I can read the scriptures fine without the help of another.

With that said, I did not mean to disrespect you. And I hope Fred opens his eyes to the things he is up to before it is too late.

FCoulter
06-15-2012, 07:56
Forgiving does not mean that the sins do not need to be dealt with. Jesus is High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary because He is dealing with the sin problem. Philosophy does not carry much weight against the Bible.

Most of your doctrines are the same or nearly the same as Herbert Armstrong who was off on just about everything including the Gospel which is very central to Christianity.

I have not noted that you have much love for Jesus outside of a legalistic type of obedience that you profess. By your posts I would say that you seem to be a very controlling and opinionated person. If you are actually a Christian at all you are a very immature one.

I am the one who has been disappointed.



To think the doctrine I adhere to is the same as HWA, proves your lack of understanding and reasoning.


I have much love for Jesus and the Father, I however, although I have love for,have little patience for people who reject Gods laws.


You compare me to your idea of a christian, I view a christian as someone who is trying to walk as Christ walked, do as He did.




I dont see protestants doing this, they reject Gods commands that He stated are forever. So I approach these people as Christ did. He was not goody goody to them.




I do however, pray for those lost and confused that someday they will have that veil removed and receive the Holy Spirit.

Kingarthurhk
06-15-2012, 10:00
To think the doctrine I adhere to is the same as HWA, proves your lack of understanding and reasoning.


I have much love for Jesus and the Father, I however, although I have love for,have little patience for people who reject Gods laws.


You compare me to your idea of a christian, I view a christian as someone who is trying to walk as Christ walked, do as He did.




I dont see protestants doing this, they reject Gods commands that He stated are forever. So I approach these people as Christ did. He was not goody goody to them.




I do however, pray for those lost and confused that someday they will have that veil removed and receive the Holy Spirit.

John 3:16-22, "<sup class="versenum">16 </sup>For God so loved <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137V))'></sup> the world that he gave <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137W))'></sup> his one and only Son, <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137X))'></sup> that whoever believes <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137Y))'></sup> in him shall not perish but have eternal life. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137Z))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>For God did not send his Son into the world <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26138AA))'></sup> to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26138AB))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Whoever believes in him is not condemned, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26139AC))'></sup> but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26139AD))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>This is the verdict: Light <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26140AE))'></sup> has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26140AF))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26141AG))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God."

Matthew 19:13-14, "
<sup class="versenum">13 </sup>Then people brought little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them <sup class="crossreference" value='(K (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23776K))'></sup> and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked them.

<sup class="versenum">14 </sup>Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs <sup class="crossreference" value='(L (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23777L))'></sup> to such as these.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23777M))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there."

Mark 10:17-39, "
<sup class="versenum">17 </sup>As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees <sup class="crossreference" value='(P (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24606P))'></sup> before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24606Q))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">18 </sup>“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’<sup class="footnote" value='[d (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24608d)]'>[d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+10&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24608d)]</sup>” <sup class="crossreference" value='(R (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24608R))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, <sup class="crossreference" value='(S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24610S))'></sup> and you will have treasure in heaven. <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24610T))'></sup> Then come, follow me.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24610U))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">22 </sup>At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

<sup class="versenum">23 </sup>Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24612V))'></sup> to enter the kingdom of God!”

<sup class="versenum">24 </sup>The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is<sup class="footnote" value='[e (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24613e)]'>[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+10&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24613e)]</sup> to enter the kingdom of God! <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24613W))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">25 </sup>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24614X))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">26 </sup>The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

<sup class="versenum">27 </sup>Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24616Y))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">28 </sup>Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!” <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24617Z))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">29 </sup>“Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>will fail to receive a hundred times as much <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24619AA))'></sup> in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24619AB))'></sup> eternal life. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24619AC))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">31 </sup>But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”

Vic Hays
06-15-2012, 11:10
Luke 10:25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and made trial of him, saying, Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
10:26 And he said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.

John 14:15 If you love me, keep my commandments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

English
06-15-2012, 11:28
I thought that my eyes were open to the meaning of religion, but they are wider open after reading this thread.

English

FCoulter
06-15-2012, 12:18
John 3:16-22, "<sup class="versenum">16</sup>For God so loved <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137V&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>V</a>)"></sup> the world that he gave <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137W&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>W</a>)"></sup> his one and only Son, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137X&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>X</a>)"></sup> that whoever believes <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137Y&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>Y</a>)"></sup> in him shall not perish but have eternal life. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137Z&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>Z</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>For God did not send his Son into the world <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26138AA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AA</a>)"></sup> to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26138AB&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AB</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Whoever believes in him is not condemned, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26139AC&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AC</a>)"></sup> but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26139AD&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AD</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>This is the verdict: Light <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26140AE&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AE</a>)"></sup> has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26140AF&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AF</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26141AG&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AG</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God."

Matthew 19:13-14, "
<sup class="versenum">13 </sup>Then people brought little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23776K&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>K</a>)"></sup> and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked them.

<sup class="versenum">14 </sup>Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23777L&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>L</a>)"></sup> to such as these.” <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23777M&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>M</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there."

Mark 10:17-39, "
<sup class="versenum">17 </sup>As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24606P&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>P</a>)"></sup> before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24606Q&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>Q</a>)"></sup>

<sup class="versenum">18 </sup>“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.<sup class="versenum">19 </sup>You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24608d&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>d</a>]">[d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+10&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24608d)]</sup>” <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24608R&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>R</a>)"></sup>

<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24610S&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>S</a>)"></sup> and you will have treasure in heaven. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24610T&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>T</a>)"></sup> Then come, follow me.” <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24610U&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>U</a>)"></sup>

<sup class="versenum">22 </sup>At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

<sup class="versenum">23 </sup>Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24612V&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>V</a>)"></sup> to enter the kingdom of God!”

<sup class="versenum">24 </sup>The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24613e&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>e</a>]">[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+10&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24613e)]</sup> to enter the kingdom of God! <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24613W&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>W</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">25 </sup>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24614X&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>X</a>)"></sup>

<sup class="versenum">26 </sup>The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

<sup class="versenum">27 </sup>Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24616Y&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>Y</a>)"></sup>

<sup class="versenum">28 </sup>Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!” <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24617Z&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>Z</a>)"></sup>

<sup class="versenum">29 </sup>“Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>will fail to receive a hundred times as much <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24619AA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AA</a>)"></sup> in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24619AB&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AB</a>)"></sup> eternal life. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24619AC&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AC</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">31 </sup>But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”




Are you serious? Not one verse you posted deals with how Jesus delt with people who did not obey Gods commands.




The old and new test is filled with dozens of verses with "Jesus" dealing with law breakers.


You really need to pay attention.

Vic Hays
06-15-2012, 15:21
Are you serious? Not one verse you posted deals with how Jesus delt with people who did not obey Gods commands.



Some more major Commands have been overlooked, Fred.

Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
6:32 And if ye love them that love you, what thank have ye? for even sinners love those that love them.
6:33 And if ye do good to them that do good to you, what thank have ye? for even sinners do the same.
6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? even sinners lend to sinners, to receive again as much.
6:35 But love your enemies, and do [them] good, and lend, never despairing; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be sons of the Most High: for he is kind toward the unthankful and evil.
6:36 Be ye merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
6:37 And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released:

FCoulter
06-15-2012, 15:48
Some more major Commands have been overlooked, Fred.

Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
6:32 And if ye love them that love you, what thank have ye? for even sinners love those that love them.
6:33 And if ye do good to them that do good to you, what thank have ye? for even sinners do the same.
6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? even sinners lend to sinners, to receive again as much.
6:35 But love your enemies, and do [them] good, and lend, never despairing; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be sons of the Most High: for he is kind toward the unthankful and evil.
6:36 Be ye merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
6:37 And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released:

Vic your missing the point here, I never said I dint have love for you or king,however I will not tread lightly on someone who refuses and rejects Gods commands.


Even Jesus spanked those that did this.

Most people who spank their children still love them.

Kingarthurhk
06-15-2012, 19:06
Vic your missing the point here, I never said I dint have love for you or king,however I will not tread lightly on someone who refuses and rejects Gods commands.


Even Jesus spanked those that did this.

Most people who spank their children still love them.


We aren't treading on God's commands. The only one I have tread upon is not loving you instead of flat out despising you. That is my sin, and my fault.

Yours?

Well, Jesus was pretty plain on that subject as well:

Matthew 23:13-37, "
<sup class="versenum">13 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23932M))'></sup> You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23932N))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">[14] </sup><sup class="footnote" value='[b (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23933b)]'>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23933b)]</sup>

<sup class="versenum">15 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, <sup class="crossreference" value='(O (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23934O))'></sup> and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell <sup class="crossreference" value='(P (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23934P))'></sup> as you are.

<sup class="versenum">16 </sup>“Woe to you, blind guides! <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23935Q))'></sup> You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ <sup class="crossreference" value='(R (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23935R))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? <sup class="crossreference" value='(S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23936S))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23938T))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23940U))'></sup> in it. <sup class="versenum">22 </sup>And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it. <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23941V))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">23 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23942W))'></sup> of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23942X))'></sup> You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. <sup class="versenum">24 </sup>You blind guides! <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23943Y))'></sup> You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

<sup class="versenum">25 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23944Z))'></sup> but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23944AA))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">26 </sup>Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

<sup class="versenum">27 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23946AB))'></sup> which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. <sup class="versenum">28 </sup>In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

<sup class="versenum">29 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23948AC))'></sup> and decorate the graves of the righteous. <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ <sup class="versenum">31 </sup>So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23950AD))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">32 </sup>Go ahead, then, and complete <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23951AE))'></sup> what your ancestors started! <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23951AF))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">33 </sup>“You snakes! You brood of vipers! <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23952AG))'></sup> How will you escape being condemned to hell? <sup class="crossreference" value='(AH (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23952AH))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">34 </sup>Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23953AI))'></sup> others you will flog in your synagogues <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23953AJ))'></sup> and pursue from town to town. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23953AK))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">35 </sup>And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel <sup class="crossreference" value='(AL (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23954AL))'></sup> to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AM (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23954AM))'></sup> whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AN (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23954AN))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">36 </sup>Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AO (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23955AO))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">37 </sup>“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AP (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23956AP))'></sup> how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AQ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23956AQ))'></sup> and you were not willing. <sup class="versenum">38 </sup>Look, your house is left to you desolate. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AR (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23957AR))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">39 </sup>For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’<sup class="footnote" value='[c (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23958c)]'>[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23958c)]</sup>”

FCoulter
06-15-2012, 19:48
We aren't treading on God's commands. The only one I have tread upon is not loving you instead of flat out despising you. That is my sin, and my fault.

Yours?

Well, Jesus was pretty plain on that subject as well:

Matthew 23:13-37, "
<sup class="versenum">13 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23932M&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>M</a>)"></sup> You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23932N&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>N</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">[14] </sup><sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23933b&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>b</a>]">[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23933b)]</sup>

<sup class="versenum">15 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23934O&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>O</a>)"></sup> and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23934P&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>P</a>)"></sup> as you are.

<sup class="versenum">16 </sup>“Woe to you, blind guides! <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23935Q&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>Q</a>)"></sup> You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23935R&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>R</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23936S&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>S</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23938T&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>T</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23940U&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>U</a>)"></sup> in it. <sup class="versenum">22 </sup>And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23941V&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>V</a>)"></sup>

<sup class="versenum">23 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23942W&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>W</a>)"></sup> of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23942X&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>X</a>)"></sup> You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. <sup class="versenum">24 </sup>You blind guides! <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23943Y&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>Y</a>)"></sup> You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

<sup class="versenum">25 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23944Z&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>Z</a>)"></sup> but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23944AA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AA</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">26 </sup>Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

<sup class="versenum">27 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23946AB&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AB</a>)"></sup> which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. <sup class="versenum">28 </sup>In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

<sup class="versenum">29 </sup>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23948AC&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AC</a>)"></sup> and decorate the graves of the righteous. <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ <sup class="versenum">31 </sup>So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23950AD&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AD</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">32 </sup>Go ahead, then, and complete <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23951AE&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AE</a>)"></sup> what your ancestors started! <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23951AF&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AF</a>)"></sup>

<sup class="versenum">33 </sup>“You snakes! You brood of vipers! <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23952AG&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AG</a>)"></sup> How will you escape being condemned to hell? <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23952AH&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AH</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">34 </sup>Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23953AI&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AI</a>)"></sup> others you will flog in your synagogues <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23953AJ&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AJ</a>)"></sup> and pursue from town to town. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23953AK&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AK</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">35 </sup>And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23954AL&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AL</a>)"></sup> to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23954AM&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AM</a>)"></sup> whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23954AN&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AN</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">36 </sup>Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23955AO&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AO</a>)"></sup>

<sup class="versenum">37 </sup>“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23956AP&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AP</a>)"></sup> how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23956AQ&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AQ</a>)"></sup> and you were not willing. <sup class="versenum">38 </sup>Look, your house is left to you desolate. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23957AR&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AR</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">39 </sup>For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23958c&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>c</a>]">[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23958c)]</sup>”

See now you get it,now apply what you just posted to your lawlessness.

Kingarthurhk
06-15-2012, 21:53
See now you get it,now apply what you just posted to your lawlessness.

Isaiah 6:9-10, "
<sup class="versenum">9 </sup>He said, “Go <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-17779AB))'></sup> and tell this people:
“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-17779AC))'></sup>
<sup class="versenum">10 </sup>Make the heart of this people calloused; <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-17780AD))'></sup>
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-17780a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+6&version=NIV#fen-NIV-17780a)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-17780AE))'></sup>
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-17780AF))'></sup>
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-17780AG))'></sup>


Mark 4:9-12, "
<sup class="versenum">9 </sup>Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(G (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24333G))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">10 </sup>When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God <sup class="crossreference" value='(H (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24335H))'></sup> has been given to you. But to those on the outside <sup class="crossreference" value='(I (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24335I))'></sup> everything is said in parables <sup class="versenum">12 </sup>so that,
“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24336a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+4&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24336a)]</sup>”

Hebrews 4:12-13, "<sup> </sup>For the word of God <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30027M))'></sup> is alive <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30027N))'></sup> and active. <sup class="crossreference" value='(O (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30027O))'></sup> Sharper than any double-edged sword, <sup class="crossreference" value='(P (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30027P))'></sup> it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30027Q))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">13 </sup>Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. <sup class="crossreference" value='(R (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30028R))'></sup> Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account."
<sup class="crossreference" value='(J (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24336J))'></sup>

steveksux
06-16-2012, 12:02
I am just saying, Fred Coulter prophesied about transhumanism. Not seeing that yet.

Does Grandma's artificial hip count? :tongueout::rofl:

Maybe Fred is right, just had a slight mis-translation, and we are approaching the apocahips?

Randy

Vic Hays
06-16-2012, 18:27
Vic your missing the point here, I never said I dint have love for you or king,however I will not tread lightly on someone who refuses and rejects Gods commands.


Even Jesus spanked those that did this.

Most people who spank their children still love them.

We, thankfully, are not your children and slanderous and false accusations are not God's word.

We have only been adhering to the Bible and what it teaches. The Bible does not teach the same as you Fred.

Acts 15:24 For as much as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, You must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: