OK guys, Would you carry a G23 or G19

[king_John_I]

Bath salt zombie invasion

:rofl:

I WISH!!!

[JrFreak]

I carry a 23, but accuracy is more important.

[up1911fan]

I carry a G19 or M&P9.

[chemboy]

OK guys, What would you choose to carry a Glock 19 or Glock 23. Both carry the same and you shoot them about the same.The one difference is the caliber and the amount of ammo in the mags. Right now I have choose the G23 but the G19 is very tempting.

If you can shoot them both equally well(I can't quite) I would go with a G23.
However, my main CCW is a G19 with a 115gr +P+ round and I feel comfortable (confident) with that weapon/round combo in most personal defense situations.

I do have a Gen4 G23 that I am slowly warming up to, however. :)

[ca survivor]

g23! .......

["Cold Dead Hands" !]

G19.
Since fast accurate shot placement is key between all these fine calibers.
Shot them both a lot in competition to decide, and watching many others do the same.
The best shooters all use 9mm.
They score better, even accounting for the automatic power factor scoring advantage of the bigger calibers.
9mm practice ammo is far cheaper.
While the premium +P ammo is just as good as most .40's.


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[clarkz71]

I have both, I carry the G23. The recoil with SD ammo
isn't that much different. +P+ 9mm and .40 165gr is
very close.

[RangerGibson]

I like the 19. I am biased though because it was my first pistol and I have shot it much, much more than my friends 23. You can't go wrong with either one though both are a great choice!

[Rick305]

If you study and analyze 9/40/357/45 you would pick a 9 or 40. There is just something about 357Sig that just says bad ass.
Btw, I'm a 9 and 40 guy.

Isn't the .40S&W a "more powerful" round ? I never really looked into .357sig but I am interested in it ..

The (little) reading I've done suggests the .40 is "better" but I'm still curious -- I may pick up a 32 barrel since you can use the same everything (even mags) with a swap.

[Bakercountyboy]

Gen4 23

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[Bren]

OK guys, What would you choose to carry a Glock 19 or Glock 23. Both carry the same and you shoot them about the same.The one difference is the caliber and the amount of ammo in the mags. Right now I have choose the G23 but the G19 is very tempting.

23 would be my only choice. I can't imagine why I'd choose 9mm fr carry over .40. 9mm fails way too often in real life. "Shot placement is all that counts" to guys who shoot paper at the indoor range. For everybody else - you better get something that will damage tissue and bone when shot placement doesn't hit something vital.

[Tkz]

Either will do just fine!

[trigger45]

Carried both in the past. have just the 19 right now. Getting the 23 soon. 23 has more power. Either would work. Like heavy bullets. Should have never got rid of my G23. Felt better armed with it. Was in my opinion the perfect pistol.

[RobG]

23 would be my only choice. I can't imagine why I'd choose 9mm fr carry over .40. 9mm fails way too often in real life. "Shot placement is all that counts" to guys who shoot paper at the indoor range. For everybody else - you better get something that will damage tissue and bone when shot placement doesn't hit something vital.

I agree with Bren. I have both... a gen4 19, a gen2 23 and a gen4 23. When carrying, I prefer the gen4 23.

When shooting paper targets at an indoor range, I'll shoot the 19 more just because the ammo costs less.

[PattonT]

Isn't the .40S&W a "more powerful" round ? I never really looked into .357sig but I am interested in it ..

The (little) reading I've done suggests the .40 is "better" but I'm still curious -- I may pick up a 32 barrel since you can use the same everything (even mags) with a swap.

More powerful is not the way to describe it. The 40 is basically a larger bullet by 10% with only 5% less velocity compared to a 9mm. In today's hotter 9mm loads they are really pretty much equal.

Speer Gold Dot in 9mm +p ,124gr has a muzzle velocity of 1220 fps
Where the 40S&W 165gr has a muzzle velocity of 1150fps.
The 357sig in a 125gr has 1350fps at the muzzle.
Really what this translates into is they all mimic about the same results in studying wound channels.

[cfr]

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[happyguy]

OK guys, What would you choose to carry a Glock 19 or Glock 23. Both carry the same and you shoot them about the same.The one difference is the caliber and the amount of ammo in the mags. Right now I have choose the G23 but the G19 is very tempting.

I have had the experience of shooting both weapons in less than ideal conditions and I found the G23 has a tendency to twist in my hands under recoil except when my hands and the gun are perfectly dry. I did not have that issue with the G19. Stippling might fix that though.

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy :)

[Bullman]

If you study and analyze 9/40/357/45 you would pick a 9 or 40. There is just something about 357Sig that just says bad ass.
Btw, I'm a 9 and 40 guy.

Why stop at .357 sig. You left 10mm out of your mix there. A G29 is about the same size more or less of a G23. 10mm when loaded correctly has considerably more oomph than the Sig round.

[Dogbite]

I currently carry a gen 3 G23. Good power, good capacity, good size. Its awesome.

[PattonT]

Why stop at .357 sig. You left 10mm out of your mix there. A G29 is about the same size more or less of a G23. 10mm when loaded correctly has considerably more oomph than the Sig round.

Of course it is, the 10mm is a bad boy. My problem with the G29 is the thick heavy slide and having owned a G30 and multiple 9/40/357 Glocks they may be the ~ same height and length they are not the same size. They made the 10mm and 45's too big in the most important area, the width. Otherwise I would love to have a carriable 10mm.

[Bullman]

Of course it is, the 10mm is a bad boy. My problem with the G29 is the thick heavy slide and having owned a G30 and multiple 9/40/357 Glocks they may be the ~ same height and length they are not the same size. They made the 10mm and 45's too big in the most important area, the width. Otherwise I would love to have a carriable 10mm.

That is everyone's dream brother. Right now though it seems that the G29 is as close as we are ever going to get though.

[cadillacguns]

23 for me.

[PattonT]

I have been really frustrated with the G29/G30 idea. I really want to like them but they just feel weird. The grip doesn't really even bother me too much but don't understand why the slide is so much wider. Is the 10mm have so much pressure it needs that heavy of a slide? I have said it on here before the G30/36 hybrid is the best Glock out there and Glock doesn't even make it.

[Rick305]

I liked my G29 a lot it was a great pistol but it's not the same size as my current 23 ... The 29 (carry wise at least) is a porker and it felt kind of odd but it was a great gun ... If it wasn't for the thickness of that brick I'd prob. still have it ... My G23 feels much better and balanced but it doesn't have that 10mm power lol !!

[Rick305]

I have been really frustrated with the G29/G30 idea. I really want to like them but they just feel weird. The grip doesn't really even bother me too much but don't understand why the slide is so much wider. Is the 10mm have so much pressure it needs that heavy of a slide? I have said it on here before the G30/36 hybrid is the best Glock out there and Glock doesn't even make it.

So was glockmeister joking around with that pic they posted a few weeks back ?

[rilkil23]

So my girlfriend of 4 months surprised me with a gen4 G23. Ill be breaking it in this Tuesday and look for a set of CQB sights. I have the XS Big Dots on my G22 so i might swap them to my new G23.


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[thedave8]

yes i do

[dmdmx2]

I would and do carry a Glock 23. The Glock 19 is a great gun and has less recoil, but the .40 S&W cartridge is so much more powerful. We're talking the stopping power close to a .45 if not better. The 9mm just doesn't have that punch behind it. Make no mistake I also own a Sig Sauer P226 9mm pistol which I dearly love. I just think the .40 S&W is the better round.

[glock2740]

I have been totin' a G23 every day for about a month and right before that I was totin' a G19 for a few months. I swap up my carry guns quite a bit but the G19 and G23 see a lot of holster time. I feel just fine with eith gun or either caliber. :cool:

[Cavalry Doc]

Either is better than any .380 you can buy, if you can conceal it.

The gun you have is 10 times better than the one you don't have, at the moment you need a gun.

[tgmr05]

I have both, and I carry both. Which do I prefer? I prefer the 23 if I am in woods and may come across a large hog, say 200 plus pounds. I sometimes prefer the 19 in the city, when I may encounter more numbers, most under 225, and the 19 is ever so slightly lighter, loaded. Otherwise, compared to long guns, it simply does not matter. Both will do the job.

Personally, if I ever had to really choose just one, I would actually pick the 19. But, I am a little older, now. In my youth, I toted a 338 win mag to hunt deer, and a snub 44 for carry. Over time, I realized not only the truth of carry enough gun, but also the reality of comfort. A 9mm will do the same job as a 40, just at an ever so slightly more comfortable level.

My compact lightweight 7mm-08 will hunt deer just as effectively as a 338 win mag, but at a much more comfortable level. There is no doubt there is a big difference between them.... But the 19/23 is pretty much wasting time arguing over, as the differences are not much, at all.

[BBMW]

There are more than enough people carrying standard compact (IE G19 size) Glocks to prove that it's eminently doable.

Also, if you need to step down in size from their, there are plenty of guns that can work before you have to go to the mouseguns. The G26 is at the big end of that range, and the Rohrbough is at the small end, and there's lots in between (in 9mm and usually .40 also.)

Either is better than any .380 you can buy, if you can conceal it.

The gun you have is 10 times better than the one you don't have, at the moment you need a gun.

[ArlenGunClub]

I love the .40. No need for +p ammo, just good old hard hitting ammo in a no-nonsense package. But that's just me of course. I'd rather have the extra power in exchange for 2 rounds, but carry what you like the best. You're the best judge for what you like.


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[Buckshot Barry]

I started with the 23 but sold it and got a 19 because it was easyer for the wife to use.

Own both, but I totally agree. Plus the 19 is easier to shoot with the off hand. Sometimes you can't always fire with a 2 handed hold.

[BADOS]

I prefer the extra power of the 40 cal. in the Glock 23 with the Gen4 grip. Recoil is easy controlable. Practice makes perfect.

[Indy_Tim]

My choice is the G23. This is my EDC except when I need to conceal, then I go with a G27.
http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq59/88E30M50/Mechanical%20Things/Glock-23-LH-side_zps1e1f4931.jpg

[PattonT]

I have no concerns when carrying a Glock 19 over a Glock 23. If I didn't own a Glock 23 I would buy it first. The reasons are 40 ammo has always been the easiest to find and as of lately is cheaper than 9 in some places. Understand it takes a+p 9mm round to perform the same as a standard pressure 40 or 45. How often do you see 9+p in FMJ or bulk ammo? What if you can no longer use hollow points?
What if you need 300rds for survival for a SHtF? Without a doubt 40 range ammo would serve better than 9mm range ammo.

[Scrappy]

I carry one or the other at different times. Also add in my G30 and G27, which I carry those too. I carry the G19 with 124 +P.

[billy396]

I have no concerns when carrying a Glock 19 over a Glock 23. If I didn't own a Glock 23 I would buy it first. The reasons are 40 ammo has always been the easiest to find and as of lately is cheaper than 9 in some places. Understand it takes a+p 9mm round to perform the same as a standard pressure 40 or 45. How often do you see 9+p in FMJ or bulk ammo? What if you can no longer use hollow points?
What if you need 300rds for survival for a SHtF? Without a doubt 40 range ammo would serve better than 9mm range ammo.

I haven't done any shopping in Tennessee, but here in Ohio 9MM is always easier to find than .40, and cheaper, too, by several dollars. While .40 does generally have a bit more power than 9MM, I find that the new modern 9MM defense ammo is just about as deadly as .40. Of course, shot placement is always crucial. Right now, 9MM hardball is going for $17.99, while .40 WWB is at least $21.99. I like the new Critical Defense, the always popular Golden Saber, Speer Gold Dots, Silvertips, and a host of others, including some high-power Cor-Bon and Double-Tap ammo. To me, the ease of shooting 9MM makes up for the marginal difference in power, as I have developed fairly bad arthritis (not helped by all the shooting).

[Lvs1935]

I always prefer a larger caliber. Capacity is never a concern for me. I figure if I need more than 8 rounds or so, I am probably doing something I shouldn't have been doing.

[PattonT]

While .40 does generally have a bit more power than 9MM, I find that the new modern 9MM defense ammo is just about as deadly as .40. Of course, shot placement is always crucial.
Everyone says that and it is true, I don't argue the fact. However understand most of us don't stock 100's of self defense +p. I like to think my standard pressure 40 will be a better fighting gun than my standard pressure 9mm. If you can stock 500 hollow points then it doesn't matter.

[PattonT]

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[Tscglock]

If 13 shots of .40 don't get it done, neither will 15 of 9mm. Prolly need to practice more. Just sayin!

those 2 extra rounds could be the difference of life and death...

i choose G19

[Made in Austria]

I prefer the G23. But love my G19's too, just not as much :)

[S. Kelly]

Glock 19, hands down.

[iflyem1]

No question I would carry a G19. More capacity, faster follow up shots, and I can shoot the gun very well.

With modern self defense ammo the difference between the 9mm and .40 is not very much.

I agree that with the modern 9mm loads, little difference between 9 and 40 today.

[Made in Austria]

I agree that with the modern 9mm loads, little difference between 9 and 40 today.

Don't forget, there is modern .40 ammo available as well. I have done some penetration tests with both calibers. The forty punches noticeable bigger holes and cavities into ballistic gel. There is no doubt to me that the .40 releases more energy on impact. It's that much more that the difference is noticeable with bare eyes.

[PVolk]

I've been carrying a 23c for almost 4 years now. I recently rented a 19 and found it more comfortable to shoot. I shot more accurately as well. So, I picked up a 19c today. It will eventually replace my 23c as my dedicated carry gun.

Honestly, those are two of the best Glock models IMO, and you cant go wrong with either.

[mxr300ex]

I carry a Glock 23, if it's good enough for the FBI it's good enough for me.
Far more law enforcement agencies carry 40S&W than 9mm, why do you think that is? Less rounds? I doubt it, more power is why. I'm not a 9mm hater at all, I bought my wife one.

[Police305]

No question I would carry a G19. More capacity, faster follow up shots, and I can shoot the gun very well.

With modern self defense ammo the difference between the 9mm and .40 is not very much.

Very well said...and 9mm ammo is cheaper and easier to find!

[PattonT]

Very well said...and 9mm ammo is cheaper and easier to find!

Now? I am finding three times as much 40 as 9mm. I stood in line last week for an hour to get 3 boxes of 9mm. It was just the second time since Dec I have found any. This was $13.99/50 but in February GT Dist had some Hornady FMj 18.99/50 which was $4 more a box than the cheapest .40 ammo.
I shipped 4 of my boxes of 9mm to my cousin in Jacksonville who was completely out and said there was none to be found around Jacksonville.

[cgjane]

I bought a 23, since it was easier to find 40 now.

I am getting a 40-9 barrel and will have both calibers.

[intenseneal]

I carry a G23, stopping power with good controlability. And you can have either 13rds or 15 with a G22 mag or a +2 extention all in a package that can be easily concealed. That and the faxt that you just cant seem to find any 9mm ammo right now but .40 is pretty easy to find.

[Cavalry Doc]

Very happy with my G23. I've seen many people shot with rounds from .17 BB gun to soviet 12.5mm. I decided to buy a .40 S&W after I saw someone shot with one while home from R&R from Baghdad. I prefer a 12 gauge, but can't find a comfortable and effective concealment holster for my Mossberg 500. So, my advice is to carry the biggest caliber handgun that you can effectively shoot under stress. Weigh the advantages of magazine capacity allowed, power of the bullet, and ability to control where your shots go above all else. A hit with a .22LR beats a miss with a .44 Magnum every time.


Just to put things in perspective.......

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/Caliberwars2_zps003ef7a7.png

The purple dot is 12 gauge.

[Indy_Tim]

Very well said...and 9mm ammo is cheaper and easier to find!

That really depends on location. Here in Indiana, I've found boxes of .40 on the shelf in shops that have not seen 9mm in a while. When I picked up my G23 last month, I had a choice of various flavors of .40 SD ammo. There was very little 9mm SD ammo to be found. The availability of .40 is what drove me to buy the G23 in the first place. Even though I reload, I carry commercial and with no commercial 9mm available, I used that as an excuse to get another gun and am really happy to have the G23 now.

[sharkbait22]

Love my G19! I don't see the minuscule difference between the 9mm and the .40 to justify the lower capacity and snappy recoil. With that said I only carry premium plus P ammo. But there is a lot to be said for the availability of .40 cal in our current climate. But I'll always be a 9mm and .45 guy. Just haven't been sold on the .40 yet.

[iconia]

I will go for glock 19.


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[Glock 23 Nutter]

Glock 23/180 HST for Open carry.

Glock 36/230+P HST for Concealed carry.




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[Roger G23]

More powerful is not the way to describe it. The 40 is basically a larger bullet by 10% with only 5% less velocity compared to a 9mm. In today's hotter 9mm loads they are really pretty much equal.

Speer Gold Dot in 9mm +p ,124gr has a muzzle velocity of 1220 fps
Where the 40S&W 165gr has a muzzle velocity of 1150fps.
The 357sig in a 125gr has 1350fps at the muzzle.
Really what this translates into is they all mimic about the same results in studying wound channels.
Good facts but your forgetting one important part of all this. Muzzle energy. The all important parameter that determines "knock down power" It's what we really need in a gunfight. Go back and do your research and find that the .40 has superior muzzle energy.

[dajcarroll]

I never understood the term "knock down power." Pretty sure anyone hit with a 9mm, .357 sig, .40 cal, .38 spl, whatever... you're going to get knocked down. Most of the people on here have never shot anyone, or have seen anyone get shot. All you go by is what you read online. You guys make me want to scream. You think whatever round you prefer is superior. It's just like sports teams. The TRUTH is... almost any round is sufficient to stop another human being. A well placed shot with any round will be enough to stop someone. Even kill them.


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[Roger G23]

I never understood the term "knock down power." Pretty sure anyone hit with a 9mm, .357 sig, .40 cal, .38 spl, whatever... you're going to get knocked down. Most of the people on here have never shot anyone, or have seen anyone get shot. All you go by is what you read online. You guys make me want to scream. You think whatever round you prefer is superior. It's just like sports teams. The TRUTH is... almost any round is sufficient to stop another human being. A well placed shot with any round will be enough to stop someone. Even kill them.

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Ask anyone, we'd all prefer 9mm. Shoots easier. Ballistics. Example: Pistol caliber of choice when confronted with an angry wild boar. 10mm or 44Mag
Never seen anyone bring along a 9mm when out among wild boar.
.40S&W sometimes, but that's the lowest they'll go.
Why bring up wild boar hunting? Cause I've seen the effects of the differing calibers. Hope I never have to shoot a human being but there are some big tough ones out there too.

[Indy_Tim]

It's all a tradeoff in what you want to get from the gun. With the G19, you get a couple of extra rounds and a shorter shot to shot time given similar accuracy. With the G23, you get a round that has a lower chance of being deflected by bone or whatever else it hits on the way to its target of vital organs. On the whole, I'd say they come out even. If you practice a lot, either would be a good choice. If you can't practice a lot, then the G19 might be more effective for you.

[Cavalry Doc]

Ask anyone, we'd all prefer 9mm. Shoots easier. Ballistics. Example: Pistol caliber of choice when confronted with an angry wild boar. 10mm or 44Mag
Never seen anyone bring along a 9mm when out among wild boar.
.40S&W sometimes, but that's the lowest they'll go.
Why bring up wild boar hunting? Cause I've seen the effects of the differing calibers. Hope I never have to shoot a human being but there are some big tough ones out there too.

I have seen a lot of people that were shot. Stabbed, blown up, crushed, cut too..... GSW's from .17 BB gun through soviet 12.5mm (~.50 BMG).

I also hunt hogs. .308 is a much better caliber than .40, but my sidearm while hunting is a .40.


The only reason I carry a .40 G23, is that I cannot find a comfortable and effective concealment holster for my mossberg 500.

.40 or 9mm? if you have one or the other, good choice. Let it go. The difference is negligible.

[cusn]

How often do you see 9+p in FMJ or bulk ammo? What if you can no longer use hollow points?
What if you need 300rds for survival for a SHtF? Without a doubt 40 range ammo would serve better than 9mm range ammo.

This is hardly ever pointed out in the caliber discussions and is an extremely important point!

[clarkz71]

Love my G19! I don't see the minuscule difference between the 9mm and the .40 to justify the lower capacity and snappy recoil. With that said I only carry premium plus P ammo. But there is a lot to be said for the availability of .40 cal in our current climate. But I'll always be a 9mm and .45 guy. Just haven't been sold on the .40 yet.

Lower capacity, 2 round is minimum.
+P 9mm is not much less snappy then 180gr HST.

.40 has been around 23 years, if your not sold by now...............

This is hardly ever pointed out in the caliber discussions and is an extremely important point!

True, WWB 165gr is FMJ FN.

[iflyem1]

.40 or 9mm? if you have one or the other, good choice. Let it go. The difference is negligible.

My sentiments exactly. Shot placement is the key. A DR. at Seattle's Harbor View Medical Center did a study that states that 6 out of 7 gunshot victims actually survive the shooting. This is with all calibers, except rifles of course.

Watch this video, it is informative!

9mm vs .45 vs Rifle A Dr's View of Gunshot Wounds - YouTube

[sharkbait22]

Lower capacity, 2 round is minimum.
+P 9mm is not much less snappy then 180gr HST.

.40 has been around 23 years, if your not sold by now...............



True, WWB 165gr is FMJ FN.

I'm not saying its a bad round just that it doesn't fit what I want in a pistol caliber. I either want big holes or lots of rounds on tap. The .40 performs better through barriers like interior walls, doors and auto glass. That's good for police officers but nothing I'll ever need as a civilian. When you look at the terminal ballistics (without barriers) there isn't a big difference between the two rounds.

[SDGlock23]

Make mine a .40! The .40 offers more overall than the 9mm can, it's just a more versatile cartridge. Now that doesn't mean the 9mm is ineffective, but also they're not as close as some like to think they are. Looking at gel tests between different calibers that are designed to perform similarly, and coming to that very conclusion (that they perform similarly) is because they're designed to. In terms of potential however, there's a lot more to work with in a .40 compared to a 9mm.

[wolf19r]

Rotate the two.

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[80819]

I would say, in my opinion, pick one and practice, practice, practice.

[cgjane]

My 23 with a 40-9 conversion so I can Shoot my 9mm suppressor that's usually on my 17

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/gw4k/7852C72D-F6CB-4A31-A60B-C71658338171-7139-000006FF69DE7348_zpsdf342918.jpg

[leitung]

Glock 19, never failed me, accurate, comfortable... Been relying on it for 6 years.