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Two Guns
06-10-2012, 10:44
OK guys, What would you choose to carry a Glock 19 or Glock 23. Both carry the same and you shoot them about the same.The one difference is the caliber and the amount of ammo in the mags. Right now I have choose the G23 but the G19 is very tempting.

CATATOMIC
06-10-2012, 10:49
I carry a G23 on duty because that's what I'm issued. I have a personally owned G19 that I like very much. Some might think I'm crazy but i think I actually like the G19 better.

MikeG36
06-10-2012, 10:53
Hmmmm.... Let me think for a second......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/Mike16610/Brothers.jpg

G23!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/Mike16610/G23_1.jpg

I actually shoot the 9mm slightly better but, I like the punch of the .40 so that's what I'm wearing right now. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

G36's Rule
06-10-2012, 11:25
My everyday carry G23...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Texasbagman/IMG_0580.jpg

Cole125
06-10-2012, 11:25
No question I would carry a G19. More capacity, faster follow up shots, and I can shoot the gun very well.

With modern self defense ammo the difference between the 9mm and .40 is not very much.

Bald Baron
06-10-2012, 11:40
My light clothing carry is a G27 and my heavier clothing carry is a G19. I bought the G27 first, before I really researched the whole caliber war thing. Back then even the .40 seemed like a compromise because I was taught .45 ACP was the only logical choice for an auto-loader! Now I know better, and I'm getting old, so I like the 9mm more and more.:wavey:

Plus what Cole 125 said.

twag4
06-10-2012, 11:45
If 13 shots of .40 don't get it done, neither will 15 of 9mm. Prolly need to practice more. Just sayin!

AK74play
06-10-2012, 11:50
I carry both, one at a time of course and really have no preferrance. I own and carry 18 different Glocks and the only preferrance I have would be toward 357 sig. Which to me is by far the superior cartridge.

4-Fun
06-10-2012, 11:50
I think that the finest fighting pistol made is the G19.

This is a completely biased and unscientific statement. I offer no supporting documentation other than my personal preference.

Glockdude1
06-10-2012, 11:59
My round of choice is the .40

I pick the G23.

:cool:

CDW4ME
06-10-2012, 12:00
I am slightly quicker with the 19 shooting timed pairs, but not enough to keep me from carrying the 23 (or 32).

mrsurfboard
06-10-2012, 12:04
Not a fan of the 40, so my choice is the 9mm G19.

PattonT
06-10-2012, 12:14
No difference but if you own a Glock already keep the calibers the same. If you own a xxxxxxx in 9 or 40 buy the Glock opposite, unless you ever plan to reload. if you live in a 10rd magazine state you might as well get the G23.
I own both, shoot them the same and notice just a slight bit more recoil on the 40's

FL Airedale
06-10-2012, 12:15
I carry a 23 just because I have more confidence in the .40 caliber round. There is a lot of evidence that a 9mm with +P+ is just as effective.

ConcealedG23
06-10-2012, 12:39
As my name implies, my choice is the G23. Some will disagree and site the need for a stock gun/parts but, with a G23 you can make a G19 and G32. With a G19, you can't. The G23 is so much more versatile.

Those that state advances in bullet design that make the 9mm much better than it has been in the past rarely appreciate that the .40 has enjoyed the same advancements. The 9mm to .40 disparity is still present.

D

mrsurfboard
06-10-2012, 12:53
No difference but if you own a Glock already keep the calibers the same. If you own a xxxxxxx in 9 or 40 buy the Glock opposite, unless you ever plan to reload. if you live in a 10rd magazine state you might as well get the G23.


I disagree. You never want to have all your handguns in the same caliber. If for some reason that caliber become hard or impossible to get, you are pretty much SOL.

PattonT
06-10-2012, 13:37
I disagree. You never want to have all your handguns in the same caliber. If for some reason that caliber become hard or impossible to get, you are pretty much SOL.
No, I agree but there's also tremendous advantage in having magazines exchange between the Glocks. I've got about 10 handguns in 4 calibers. I had 32acp, 38spl, and 9mm during the ammo shortages. Shelves at Walmart in TN were stocked with all the 40sw and 357 sig you could shoot in a lifetime.

bac1023
06-10-2012, 14:07
I much prefer the G19.

Bello
06-10-2012, 14:21
.40 smith all the way

plouffedaddy
06-10-2012, 14:31
I am slightly quicker with the 19 shooting timed pairs,


Same here. I carry the 23 and 19 however. Here's how I decide---I go to the range with whichever gun, shoot it, clean it, then put it in my carry holster and carry that until I go shooting again. :dunno:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG1137.jpg
To me they're both great SD options with good ammo.

jmak
06-10-2012, 14:32
23 because I do not have a 19.

ZekerMan
06-10-2012, 14:38
My round of choice is the .40

I pick the G23.

:cool:

My sentiments exactly^^^^^^plus I don't own a 9mm and won't until my now strong hands can't handle the violent recoil of the powerful .40 round.:whistling:

TxGlock9
06-10-2012, 14:38
19. If given the option the 32.

Drain You
06-10-2012, 14:39
19 is my preference.

The only thing .40 has going for it is that during a zombie invasion, any half eaten police officer you might stumble across would maybe have an extra Glock 22 mag on his belt you could grab.

cowboy1964
06-10-2012, 14:42
If 13 shots of .40 don't get it done, neither will 15 of 9mm. Prolly need to practice more. Just sayin!

And if 13 rounds of 9mm don't get it done then neither will 13 rounds of .40 because you are obviously missing.

And since practice *is* so important you can shoot about 40% more with 9mm for the same cost as you could .40.

cowboy1964
06-10-2012, 14:43
19 is my preference.

The only thing .40 has going for it is that during a zombie invasion, any half eaten police officer you might stumble across would maybe have an extra Glock 22 mag on his belt you could grab.

Unless you live in the dozens of large cities that still use 9mm. Little cities like NYC.

9L0ck
06-10-2012, 14:46
I started with the 23 but sold it and got a 19 because it was easyer for the wife to use.

azbuckeye
06-10-2012, 15:02
G19....I have a G26 and a Ruger SP101 that I carry from time to time, but the G19 gets carried the most.

dmdmx2
06-10-2012, 15:02
I went from carrying a Sig Sauer P226 16 shot 9mm to the 14 shot Glock 23. The .40 S&W round is much more potent than the 9mm with 476 Ftlbs of muzzle energy versus the 396 Ftlbs of the 9mm+P round. Those numbers come from the Winchester Bonded PDX-1 ammunition which I use. I'd rather have the larger caliber with 80 Ftlbs more muzzle energy than the 9mm with 2 more shots. The added recoil from the .40 is no big deal, plus I like having the added 41 grains of bullet. It does come into play when you start talking about stopping power. Which with the Glock 19 & 23 being the same size, that is what you're left with in making the choice. A larger bullet with more stopping power, or having 2 more shots. It is only my humble opinion, but I went with having the more stopping power per round fired.

Ranger45
06-10-2012, 15:15
G19. But I wouldn't hesitate to carry either. May add a G23 to the stable someday.

1smoothredneck
06-10-2012, 16:03
I have both. I carry the 23 more, but only because the gen4 19 is my HD Gun. It has a light/laser on it. My 23 is a second gen with no rail! I have shot the 19 more of late for two reasons. 1) it is new and needed to be proven before it earned it's slot, and 2) Ammo is cheaper for idpa.
That said, the glock I carry the most is my 27. I have only owned the one 23, but the gen four is my fifth 19 over the years... The 19 is my favorite glock!

DarkShooter
06-10-2012, 16:15
Tough choice but I would go with the 19. Higher capacity and less recoil with ammo thats just as effective. A 23 with a .357 SIG barrel and 9mm barrel/magazines would be best of all IMO. Would be nice to have 3 different caliber choices in an ammo shortage.

Cole125
06-10-2012, 17:39
And if 13 rounds of 9mm don't get it done then neither will 13 rounds of .40 because you are obviously missing.

And since practice *is* so important you can shoot about 40% more with 9mm for the same cost as you could .40.

+1 Another good thing about the G19 is its much cheaper to shoot, and getting a lot of practice it critical with a carry gun.

GlocK_W0rK
06-10-2012, 17:47
.40? Lol, forget that noise.

9mm or .45

SJ 40
06-10-2012, 18:05
Either but I do prefer .40's SJ 40

TexasPOff
06-10-2012, 18:05
I can go with a G23 or G19. Currently I carry the G19 and have grown quite fond of her. It actually replaced a well worn G23 as my duty weapon. TXPO

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Texaspoff/DSC_0841.jpg

alexhartang
06-10-2012, 18:05
23 all day. If 13 rounds isn't enough, you're either dead or about to be in most cases


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abq87120
06-10-2012, 19:16
I sold a G30 and a G26 to buy a G23 thru GSSF. I had enough left over to get an LWD 40-9 conversion barrel as well as a 357 Sig to keep it company. Three calibers in one gun with Mep night sights. About $750. I had 9mm G17 and G19 mags from the G26.

I only carry the G23 barrel and added extended slide release and mag release. Stubby fingers and thumb. This is a great rig for me.

D.S.Brown
06-10-2012, 19:46
After shooting .40 caliber Glocks for 12 years, I sold ALL six of them, (4 X G23's, 1 X G27, and 1 X G35), and went to carrying the 9mm's you see in my sig line below. And I'm not looking back.

I shot the .40's very well. However I shoot the 9mm's even better and faster. My only regret is not having made the switch 4 to 5 years ago when first became aware of how much better I shoot the 9mm. Two or more 147 grain Speer Gold Dots are gonna penetrate, and open up nicely, and solve the problem as affectively as two or more .40's. And before someone gets all smarmy on me and tells me they'll only need one shot out of their .40's to do it let me say as several of my instructors have said, "any man worth shooting once, is probably worth shooting twice."

G19 all the way for me.

Best,

Dave

FFR Spyder GT
06-10-2012, 20:10
If 13 shots of .40 don't get it done, neither will 15 of 9mm. Prolly need to practice more. Just sayin!


+1.

I just checked and I DO own a G23 and do NOT own a G19 and there's a good reason why.

Agent6-3/8
06-10-2012, 20:10
19 for me! I'm issued a G22 that I carry on duty, but Ive decided to stick with my 19 for off duty. I shoot both well, but the 9mm wins when it comes to speed and accuracy. Given the choice I'd choose a G17 or 34 over the G22 for duty carry as well.

LASTRESORT20
06-10-2012, 20:13
I much prefer the G19.


Yup...This ^^^:cool:

M1A Shooter
06-10-2012, 20:22
id feel comfortable with either. i have a 23 but only because i shoot my 35 most. i also have a 26 and 17 so 9 or 40, doesnt matter.

i bought my 40s after the 9s because i found that i could download 40s to a minor pf and get less recoil than a 9mm at the same power factor. plus the 40 has more power and im sure im measurably slower with a 40 but not enough to notice on practical shooting. more of a difference on a stationary range shooting at paper but not in practical shooting against a timer. can only go as fast as the front sight.

skyboss_4evr
06-10-2012, 20:25
G23 is my personal preference, but when I opt for my G19 instead, I feel just as protected as I do with my G23.

GoBigOrange
06-10-2012, 20:26
I prefer 9mm over .40 any day of the week. I have a G23 for home defense that rarely gets carried.

greentriple
06-10-2012, 20:30
I guess if I did not carry G27 I would carry my G23. Don't have 9mm.


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DWARREN123
06-10-2012, 20:30
Due to medical problems this year I have gone from 10mm/40 S&W to 9X19mm (G19). The 9mm is as good as any if the right ammo is used by a good shooter. :supergrin:

Queen Bee
06-10-2012, 20:34
I own 2 glock 19's , so you know which way im going to vote.

plus glock was founded on the 9mm cartridge and built for it!

twag4
06-10-2012, 20:35
And if 13 rounds of 9mm don't get it done then neither will 13 rounds of .40 because you are obviously missing.

And since practice *is* so important you can shoot about 40% more with 9mm for the same cost as you could .40.


Don't get defensive. I own 19, 22, 26 and 27. I carry 26 & 27 and another brand mouse 9mm. Im confident, comfortable, and shoot both calibers regularly. Two extra rounds aren't gonna make a difference in a self defense situation in my opinion. If you are battling a group or you are in a war- E and E is probably a better option.

kodiakpb
06-10-2012, 20:38
+1.

I just checked and I DO own a G23 and do NOT own a G19 and there's a good reason why.

I just checked and I own 6xG19's and do not own a G23 and there is a good reason why ;)

Rustin
06-10-2012, 20:47
19 over the 23, 26 over the 19.

Two Guns
06-10-2012, 21:10
I just checked and I own 6xG19's and do not own a G23 and there is a good reason why ;)

I bet I know what your daily carry gun is. I am guessing a G19.:whistling:

Calhoun123
06-10-2012, 21:26
I dumped a 19 for a 23. The .40 with 180 grain bullets doesn't recoil as much as other guns I have experience with like .357 magnums. The 19, being a 9, has even less recoil but with less reliable penetration through intermediate barriers. The 9mm ammo that makes it "acceptable" (not optimal) for duty use isn't cheap or readily available at the local stores (for me).

demented
06-10-2012, 22:32
I do carry a 19, also have a second in my safe for a backup.

Lowjiber
06-11-2012, 05:35
I own both (G19 & G23). My EDC is the G23...IWB in a White Hat.

Radam3
06-11-2012, 06:05
G23 on my hip every time I walk out of the house.

"Before you can lead, you must refuse to follow"

Quarter Tank
06-11-2012, 06:10
I got away from the .40cal and went with 9 and .45. I daily carry a g19 or g21 depending on the situation.


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PattonT
06-11-2012, 06:17
I've noticed a trend. Those like myself that own 19's and 23's prefer to carry the 23's. My preference is my G27 over all of them. I actually wished I had a G26 over the G19 though but it was Grandpa's.

Rodman24
06-11-2012, 06:26
I love them both. What can I say? Blonde or Brunette, good girl or bad girl...same dilemma. I am partial to the 23 for some reason. Maybe she's a bit of a "bad girl".

Ben B
06-11-2012, 07:47
I love them both. What can I say? Blonde or Brunette, good girl or bad girl...same dilemma. I am partial to the 23 for some reason. Maybe she's a bit of a "bad girl".

I agree with this. But I like my 32. She's a next door girl with a wild streak.

chemboy
06-11-2012, 07:55
My EDC for the last 8 years has been the G19. However, I really like my new G23 Gen4.
I find that the G19 has a fair bit less recoil than the 23, even with my new carry loads, Underwood's 115gr GD +P+.
I may still carry the 23 for CCW occasionally -gotta experiment once in a while. ;)

RYNOCG201
06-11-2012, 08:22
Current edc is my G23 but I am looking to get a 19. The compacts are definitely my favorite frame size and my next one will be in 9x19.

My 23: http://img.tapatalk.com/324d5f09-ff3e-d49f.jpg


RYNOC

Firefightermdc
06-11-2012, 08:30
G23 for sure. Big bullets make big holes

cadillacguns
06-11-2012, 09:00
Like pl-daddy said, try them, which one shoots the best for you, go for it. I carried a G-19 (2nd gen GS prefix) from 1990 to 2004, then got a G-23 (2nd gen CUG prefix), never looked back.

G-19 in the night stand, G-27 or G-23 on the hip.

CharlestonG26
06-11-2012, 09:50
I own both and prefer the G19.

8th ID
06-11-2012, 10:00
Check my signature line...

FFR Spyder GT
06-11-2012, 10:39
I just checked and I own 6xG19's and do not own a G23 and there is a good reason why ;)

Testosterone level maybe?

4TS&W
06-11-2012, 10:48
Splitting hairs.

That said, I loves me some .40!!!


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Orive 8
06-11-2012, 10:49
My EDC gun is a Glock 19. (Have two spare 19s at the present time.)

alwaysshootin
06-11-2012, 10:58
.40 smith all the way

Same here. Although the 19 is cheaper to shoot!:upeyes:

Spiffums
06-11-2012, 11:08
I carry my combo custom 19 upper with RMR and the lower off a 23 (with ejector change of course) so I have the bestest of bothest worlds!!!!!


And yes I mixed my kool aid flavors when I was a kid too.

guns54
06-11-2012, 12:44
It would have to be the 19 for me.There are good but i shoot the 19 good.

Engine30
06-11-2012, 13:13
MY FIRST POST IN GLOCK TALK!!!

I vote the 23, I like the .40 S&W.

Hello all!!

packinaglock
06-11-2012, 14:04
MY FIRST POST IN GLOCK TALK!!!

I vote the 23, I like the .40 S&W.

Hello all!!

Welcome, I have both and carry each depending which ever I pull out of the safe first. Ballisticly there is not enough difference to worry about it.

SIGMA 40
06-11-2012, 14:29
I would have to go with the G19 myself...I started out with a 40 cal sigma, then moved to a G23 and found out I am not worth a **** shooting a 40 caliber weapon...I switched to the 9mm and have gotten quite a bit better...Will most likely be a G19 man from here on out...

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shadowman024
06-11-2012, 14:43
19 faster follow up shots also cheaper to practice

SPIN2010
06-11-2012, 14:54
G23 here. :supergrin:

G23Gen4.40
06-11-2012, 15:02
My screen name says it all.

JimIsland
06-11-2012, 15:14
Splitting hairs is right!! Either will do the job and yes......shot placement is the key!

ADK_40GLKr
06-11-2012, 15:29
I take my G27 to the range to make sure I can still hit COM, then I PRACTICE with my G17.

Carry?

.40 hands down!

larson1122
06-11-2012, 18:07
Pretty easy decision for me, Glock 19!

Merkavaboy
06-11-2012, 18:32
I carry either one of my 2 G19's or my G26. I'll be adding a NY1 spring on my G34 and adding that to my permit.

I load up with Federal 9BPLE. This load has been making BG's DRT long before the .40 ever existed.

Veedubklown
06-12-2012, 15:08
And if 13 rounds of 9mm don't get it done then neither will 13 rounds of .40 because you are obviously missing.

And since practice *is* so important you can shoot about 40% more with 9mm for the same cost as you could .40.

I agree with all of this, except for the fact that hands down, 40S&W is superior to 9x19mm, and I don't even own a 40S&W, because I don't like the extra recoil of defense ammo vs 9x19mm defense ammo. (Not starting a caliber war, just speaking from results, of the 2 rounds side by side. Like I said, I prefer 9x19mm, but that's me.)

If you truely shoot them both equally, carry the 23. Better round, and enough capacity to the fact that the difference between the 2 is negligible. You can shoot the 19 at the range with cheaper ammo to practice with your 23.

SmithietheFox
06-12-2012, 18:21
I carry both...sometimes one of my 23s (have a Gen 2 and a Gen 4) mostly I carry a Gen 3 19.

tango44
06-12-2012, 21:00
G19 for me!

M&P Shooter
06-12-2012, 21:44
Either one is fine with quality jhp loads if you practice with it and learn to make good fast hits.
124gr +p jhp in 9mm
165/180gr jhp .40

wrangler_dave9
06-12-2012, 21:54
I have neither, but I'm leaning towards a G23. I'm more about accuracy and stopping power then needing two more rounds. If I need more, give me a spare mag or two.


Being an American. My greatest blessing.

PimpStick
06-12-2012, 21:55
G19. "Because after I put 2 through their heart and 1 in their brain, they won't care what caliber it is." I heard that quote somewhere once or twice...

:popcorn:

PimpStick
06-12-2012, 22:14
(Not starting a caliber war, just speaking from results, of the 2 rounds side by side.

:headscratch:

Serious question: What results are you referring to?

FBI Results:

9mm 147gr(990fps): (Penetration/Expansion)
Bare Gel: 13.9/.65
Through Denim: 14.5/.66
Through Heavy Cloth: 14/.66
Through Wallboard: 15/.67
Through Plywood: 14.8/.62
Through Steel: 17/.45
Through Auto Glass: 10.8/.52

.40S&W 165gr(1140fps): (Penetration/Expansion)
Bare Gel: 12.7/.61
Through Denim: 13.2/.70
Through Heavy Cloth: 14.3/.68
Through Wallboard: 11.4/.69
Through Plywood: 13.1/.71
Through Steel: 20.4/.48
Through Auto Glass: 11.3/.61

DeLo
06-12-2012, 22:15
29. :tongueout: -similar size-

JTSmith
06-12-2012, 22:18
Testosterone level maybe?

And the same could be said for the 23 owners who could be carrying a 29.

denn1911
06-12-2012, 23:29
Between the two, I currently own a G19 and carry it also. Back in the day, for my day job, I was issued and carried a G23 for several years. With my current department, I do not. I'm a fan of the 9mm (although the .45acp is my favorite).

GeorgiaGlocker
06-13-2012, 09:38
I have carried both. It's just up to your personal preference.

JrFreak
06-13-2012, 11:15
I carry a G23 in the colder months. I wear more so it's easier to conceal and would be villians wear more so I like the extra punch the .40 has over the 9mm.

If you're gonna carry a 9mm concealed why go Glock? Don't get my wrong... I love my G23 and G27, buy my Kahr PM9 is much more concealable and still holds plenty of rounds. I read somewhere that rarely more than 4-5 rounds are expended during a personal defense episode.

Two Guns
06-14-2012, 10:23
I carry a G23 in the colder months. I wear more so it's easier to conceal and would be villians wear more so I like the extra punch the .40 has over the 9mm.

If you're gonna carry a 9mm concealed why go Glock? Don't get my wrong... I love my G23 and G27, buy my Kahr PM9 is much more concealable and still holds plenty of rounds. I read somewhere that rarely more than 4-5 rounds are expended during a personal defense episode.

Because Glocks are what I carry and practice with.I have many guns but I have made a decision to only carry Glocks as my primary carry gun. I shoot them well, they are easy to conceal and the trigger pull is just what I like for a carry gun.

carloglock19
06-14-2012, 10:57
G23:cool:

JrFreak
06-14-2012, 11:31
Because Glocks are what I carry and practice with.I have many guns but I have made a decision to only carry Glocks as my primary carry gun. I shoot them well, they are easy to conceal and the trigger pull is just what I like for a carry gun.

I did polish jobs on both my G23 and 27... and installed a Ghost Inc 5.0 tactical trigger kit on my G23. The trigger is so crisp now and the reset is quick.

dannym
06-14-2012, 11:59
I'd go G19 for the fact that I already have a couple thousand lawman practice rounds and 1700 sd/hd rounds.

striketeamleader
06-14-2012, 12:22
G19. Because that's what I have.

Larry V
06-14-2012, 17:16
I carry the 23 all the time . I love the 40 round

GThirtyTwo
06-14-2012, 17:20
Glock 19 all day.

ted1
06-14-2012, 17:33
I choose g22. 40 and feels good in the hand g19 to small my son has one and I don't care for. But I am thinking about a g17.

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Tx_Angus
06-14-2012, 20:08
The G19

WarEagle32
06-15-2012, 00:30
19 defintely!! More control and less recoil!

NCtrooper
06-15-2012, 03:45
Same here. I carry the 23 and 19 however. Here's how I decide---I go to the range with whichever gun, shoot it, clean it, then put it in my carry holster and carry that until I go shooting again. :dunno:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG1137.jpg
To me they're both great SD options with good ammo.

I'm curious what holster this is? Any information would be greatly appreciated! Sorry for the off topic post!

DrewF86
06-15-2012, 04:33
I carry a Glock 19, and I don't see myself ever switching to another caliber for my carry gun. The more data I see on self defense and police shootings, the more it's clear to me that pistols rounds all pretty much perform the same. I have the utmost confidence if I do my part, my 147gr Golden Saber will do its.

Glockworks
06-15-2012, 07:16
OK guys, What would you choose to carry a Glock 19 or Glock 23. Both carry the same and you shoot them about the same.The one difference is the caliber and the amount of ammo in the mags. Right now I have choose the G23 but the G19 is very tempting.
Carry both, you have 2 hands for a reason:whistling:

GWG19
06-15-2012, 08:46
My choice between the two is a 19. How ever most of the time I am carrying a 21 and a Ruger LCP. The 19 is for dinner nights and church. I have never been much of a fan of the intermediate caliber 40 S&W. I do like the 40 cal, I just happen to like it in the 38-40 & 450/400 NE version.

mad.gunsmith
06-15-2012, 10:35
I prefer the Glock G19

USSOCOM
06-15-2012, 10:58
Given the choices I choose the G19. I do not like the .40S&W round and I shoot the 9mm much better. My carry is a G30SF and I shoot it very well also.

killingjoke
06-15-2012, 11:47
My everyday carry G23

Armchair Commando
06-15-2012, 11:50
If 13 shots of .40 don't get it done, neither will 15 of 9mm. Prolly need to practice more. Just sayin!

Says the guy whose never been in a gunfight, Ask anyone who has been in a gun fight or warzone more ammo is always better. And i'd like to see you shoot like you do at the range when someone is actually shooting back at you.

Armchair Commando
06-15-2012, 11:51
I'm curious what holster this is? Any information would be greatly appreciated! Sorry for the off topic post!

http://www.rkbaholsters.com/IWB.html

icelandicstud
06-15-2012, 11:57
you might as well flip a coin dude. or take a poll here. it's gonna be almost 50% 19 and 50% 23.

MisterMark
06-15-2012, 12:01
So if you have a 9mm, and get the best tricked out modern ammo, you get to the same take down power league as a .40 or .45.

So unless you have an overriding reason such as experiencing better control with the 9mm go where the power is.

After all, you can put modern ammo in those calibers also :)

MisterMark
06-15-2012, 12:13
G19. "Because after I put 2 through their heart and 1 in their brain, they won't care what caliber it is." I heard that quote somewhere once or twice...

:popcorn:

G23, it would be unwise to assume any of your hits will be clean in the dark against a moving target while you are under fire.

OctoberRust
06-15-2012, 12:13
I carry a G23 on duty because that's what I'm issued. I have a personally owned G19 that I like very much. Some might think I'm crazy but i think I actually like the G19 better.


I agree, I like the g 19 better. I've owned, shot, and carried both.

I currently carry a g19 and don't see that changing anytime soon.

Adamz04
06-15-2012, 12:42
My vote is for the g19,
I only have a g19 and a g32 is that size.
I prefer the 32 but I do carry the 19 here and there.

lavy
06-15-2012, 13:36
i have a fue glocks g23 g19.g26,g27 also g30 g36 like them all g27 might be my favorit for conceal carry but the g30 with a 9 mag shoots like a dream i am sure the 9mm will get the job done if i need it ....

billy396
06-15-2012, 15:04
I am more able to shoot accurately with the G19. That, plus a couple of extra rounds, gives the G19 my vote.

Rick305
06-15-2012, 15:35
19 all day. The ballistics between a top notch 9mm +p , and a .40S&W are almost non existent -- the .40 snappiness (I know some can shoot them fine I don't have a problem shooting .40) and the fact that it holds less rounds , the 19 is a no brainier .

If you have been shooting .40 for a while I'm not saying carrying a G23 is "stupid" , but I'd take the 19 over any other glock besides the 29/20.


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58duck
06-15-2012, 15:36
Gen 4 G23 is the one i carry everyday . . . the caliber was my deciding factor . . . that's just me being me.

Porterhouse83
06-15-2012, 15:41
When I went to buy my glock I chose the 19. It just felt right.

Snaps
06-15-2012, 15:42
I personally have no use for anything .40cal

USCgrad
06-15-2012, 16:06
19. If given the option the 32.

my sediments exactly:supergrin:

cfr
06-15-2012, 16:28
The cool thing about the 23 is that you have the option to switch later if desired.

sr975j
06-15-2012, 18:52
The cool thing about the 23 is that you have the option to switch later if desired.

exactly why i chose the 23 over the 19....23 > 19 in more ways than 1

Sam

4Rules
06-15-2012, 19:50
I'm curious what holster this is? Any information would be greatly appreciated! Sorry for the off topic post!

http://rkbaholsters.com/

WhiskeyUnicorn
06-15-2012, 19:55
I like 9mm...40 feels too snappy to me but YVMV.

To each their own. Buy what ya want as long as it's a Glock :D

Pepiot
06-15-2012, 20:10
Between those two the 23, otherwise the 27.

iSWIM09
06-15-2012, 20:20
Carried a g23 for a year while I lived in Indiana. Moved to Illinois two years ago and cannot carry due to Illinois being the only state who doesn't allow conceal carry. I'd personally go with what caliber you shoot best with and feel most comfortable.

GLOCK17DB9
06-15-2012, 21:23
That's an easy one! The G19 of course! I don't have a G23.:tongueout:

Tacoma12
06-15-2012, 21:51
I carry both, I switch back and forth. Right now I'm carrying the G23. Maybe next week I'll switch to the G19...or the G27. Decisions.

YtownGlock
06-15-2012, 22:05
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/522313_3548727568483_930899677_n.jpgI have a Glock 23 and its my EDC gun. I really wanted a 9mm and was tempted to get either a Glock 19 or another 9mm handgun... well this is what I got and I end up EDCing both guns, interchanging them every other day or depending on where I am going or and I am doing, and wearing.

happyguy
06-16-2012, 06:02
I often carry a G19 or G23. It doesn't really matter to me which one it is.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

rdpG19
06-16-2012, 06:28
G19 Gen3, if not that, my Ruger SP101 357 3" barrel.

Bullman
06-16-2012, 07:49
Work decided for me sort of. I have been carrying the .40 now for 12 years and the convenience of qualifying with my work gun and being able to carry one of similar make and caliber lets me carry the 23 and 27 without having to shoot three guns at requals.

So, 23 it is.

Porterhouse83
06-16-2012, 07:54
When I went to buy my glock I chose the 19. It just felt right.

I will add I would have bought the G27 but I bought a Springfield EMP just a few weeks ago in .40 cal.

Kd4rgw
06-16-2012, 08:52
Darn, I have a Glock 22, 23, and 27. I also have barrels for each in 40 s&w, 9 mm, and 357 sig with mags. I go to the range and shoot what ever is on sale at wally world.
I carry my 23 config. as a 357 sig. most of the time.

I guess I'm just confused. :dunno:

DaBurna
06-16-2012, 09:03
<===== has both and in compact/subcompact too!!! I carry them all at sometime or another. I kinda switch back a forth based on time I get to practice with each caliber and my mood...
Most recently I must admit I've been carrying my G26 most as of late... HOTT SOUTHERN SUMMERS... The G27 got the nod last weekend though...

smitty704
06-16-2012, 09:30
G19 all the way. IMO it is the best all around pistol there is. It's my EDC and I trust it with my life.

I'm just not a fan of the .40S&W cartridge. I love the .45ACP, I just don't like the "snappiness" of the .40. Call me what you will...

smitty

Porterhouse83
06-16-2012, 10:14
A 27 is looking good

Giggity-Giggity
06-16-2012, 11:11
Either a 23 or 27:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/Gregdog/Pin%20Ups/1-31-10009.jpg
That's how I roll.

Z71bill
06-16-2012, 11:30
Glock 19 or 23 - tough choice - I can't decide - :yawn:

So because of my highly developed math skills (I can BOTH add and divide whole numbers!)

(19+23) / 2 = 21

So its G21 for me.

Cavalry Doc
06-16-2012, 11:37
G23...

I've treated people shot by both, and there is an edge to the .40 in damage done, in my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

Bullman
06-16-2012, 12:18
Either a 23 or 27:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/Gregdog/Pin%20Ups/1-31-10009.jpg
That's how I roll.

I could do a lot of damage with what's under them guns:wow:

PattonT
06-16-2012, 14:56
Here is something else. I have shot body armor with lots of different calibers of handguns and 40's tend to leave a better mark than 9mm+p.

Motor City Glocker
06-16-2012, 15:18
I usually carry my Glock 19, but right now I'm wearing my G17. I don't own a handgun in .40 at the moment.

sharkbait22
06-16-2012, 17:00
I EDC a G19. The last time I went shooting a shot a clover leaf with my first three shots at 10 yards. I love shooting that thing! I just shoot what I practice with and that ended up being a 9mm. I make sure I carry good ammo and I love having 16 rounds ready to go. Caliber is such a small factor guys. Shot placement is key. I have seen someone get shot 4 times with a .40 cal and was up walking and talking. He survived. The guy who was doing the shooting obviously couldn't hit the broad side of a barn! Aim center mass and don't get caught up in the caliber wars. Carry what you like to shoot and you will end up shooting that round the best! Just my opinion FWIW.

MoCop
06-16-2012, 17:14
The 19. I have carried both for off duty applications. They both carry GREAT. But for me, I shoot the G19 sooo much better. I couldn't get used to the recoil on the 23. But that's just me. Oh and another reason, the ammo is cheaper for the 9mm.

larryis1
06-16-2012, 17:16
G19 plus Speer Gold Dots 124GR +P.

fallenangelhim
06-16-2012, 17:33
I carry a G19 with NATO Rounds. I feel safe and comfortable.

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pistolman1974
06-16-2012, 18:08
I carry a G23

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drew4691
06-16-2012, 19:06
i have a 23 with the 9mm conversion barrel for plinking... but i'll probably get a 19 down the road. I have found that Im more fond of 9mm's lately, so if i had to choose, i'd probably go 19.

vtjetboy
06-16-2012, 20:36
The model of the Glock matters very little. how you shoot with it matters greatly. If you can put 10 rounds on center mass with the 9mm you might not need a heavier round. I love my 26 and 19

qas1178
06-16-2012, 21:08
Get the 23 cause then all you have to do is drop in a conversion barrel and get some 9mm mags. Now you have both. I have a glock 31 and 27 both with 9mm conversions. Hundreds on hundreds of rounds down with each and not one jam.

seang77
06-16-2012, 21:26
I have both and carry one or the other. I believe either is a great self defense weapon, as long as you can hit what you are shooting at.

50 Cent
06-16-2012, 22:36
OK guys, What would you choose to carry a Glock 19 or Glock 23. Both carry the same and you shoot them about the same.The one difference is the caliber and the amount of ammo in the mags. Right now I have choose the G23 but the G19 is very tempting.

There's no "perfect" CHL in terms of concealability/accuracy/capacity/range fun - but the G19 is as close as you are going to get.

With modern +P 124 gr ammo in Golden Sabre, Gold Dot etc flavour it will handle your self-dense needs pretty well if you do your part.

50 Cent
06-16-2012, 22:37
I carry a G19 with NATO Rounds. I feel safe and comfortable.

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Gettin' ready for the Zombies, huh? :supergrin:

rilkil23
06-16-2012, 22:42
Will have my G19c next week. Currently carrying a G22. Soon I will have a G33 or convert a G27 to .357sig. Should about cover my carry needs year around for all occasions.

Mr.Reignman
06-17-2012, 03:58
And if 13 rounds of 9mm don't get it done then neither will 13 rounds of .40 because you are obviously missing.

And since practice *is* so important you can shoot about 40% more with 9mm for the same cost as you could .40.


This.


In the "timeless" debate of 40 or 9mm my realization (while owning both a 23 and 27) was I could train, be proficient with the 19 and still enjoy blowing off rounds much more so than with the 40 and at the end of the day, if I wasn't going to be able to stop it with a 9mm, the .40 isn't stopping it. Sorry, but realistically the 40 isn't that much more impressive with modern loads, modern technology and ultimately the all to under emphasized shot placement.

I really think some of these guys are under the impression if a man with a 40 shoots someone in the leg their head just might explode or possibly their torso will become separated from the rest of their body yet if someone shoots 3 shots center mass with a 9mm the dude will walk it off and murder 732 people.......

Cavalry Doc
06-17-2012, 06:33
There are some people with some real world experience in these things, maybe we should all pay attention.......

The following IS NOT a link, you'll have to cut and paste it into your browser address bar, WARNING: CONTAINS POST MORTEM MORGUE PHOTOS, AND GRAPHIC IMAGES OF WOUNDS.

----http://catm.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/FBI_Defensive_Systems_Unit_Ballistic_Research_Facility_FBIAcademy.pdf----



Any gun is better than no gun. Even I have been known to carry a .380 when I can't carry a real gun.

Both 9mm and .40 are good rounds.

Read a bit, then do whatever you feel good doing.

My recommendation for reading is:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21YHD6KNX7L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
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The details surrounding the 1986 Miami shootout explain why the FBI moved away from 9mm, but that doesn't mean you should. It still works.

PattonT
06-17-2012, 06:56
This.

I really think some of these guys are under the impression if a man with a 40 shoots someone in the leg their head just might explode or possibly their torso will become separated from the rest of their body yet if someone shoots 3 shots center mass with a 9mm the dude will walk it off and murder 732 people.......
No, sounds more like the 45 guys. I think the 9mm guys are more focused with research and shot placement. The 40 guys figure "it's a gun and it's worked for a lot of professionals"

NEOH212
06-17-2012, 07:29
First and foremost, I'd carry what I shot better with.

That said, I'd take the 23!

:wavey:

SCmasterblaster
06-20-2012, 11:31
I'd choose the G23.

English
06-20-2012, 15:34
This.


In the "timeless" debate of 40 or 9mm my realization (while owning both a 23 and 27) was I could train, be proficient with the 19 and still enjoy blowing off rounds much more so than with the 40 and at the end of the day, if I wasn't going to be able to stop it with a 9mm, the .40 isn't stopping it. Sorry, but realistically the 40 isn't that much more impressive with modern loads, modern technology and ultimately the all to under emphasized shot placement.

I really think some of these guys are under the impression if a man with a 40 shoots someone in the leg their head just might explode or possibly their torso will become separated from the rest of their body yet if someone shoots 3 shots center mass with a 9mm the dude will walk it off and murder 732 people.......

I know it is a bit of a silly topic but there is no reason to be even silier unless you are joking, and I don't think you are.

I doubt very much that anyone who prefers the .40 to the 9 thinks of it as any more than a moderate percentage improvement.

The idea that if 13 9s won't do it then 13 40s won't do it either is not as obviously silly, but it is still wrong. No one is going to be standing waiting while you fire 13 shots of anything at him. He is going to be firing back at you and probably moving. While you are firing 13 shot he will be firing much the same number unless you hit him quickly. That really is a crap shoot.

And if you do hi him quickly it is a matter of how much each shot partially disables him on average, and how many it takes to completely disable him on average and how long it takes to make that number of hits. In that race, the 40 with more damage per hit might win or the 9 with a higher rate of fire might win and both will vary from shooter to shooter. Personally, I woud bet on the .40, given a reasonably proficient shooter, and I would bet even more on the 357SIG.

The moral of this scenario is that the one who makes the first hit is the one most likely to win. That is close to saying that placement is King, but it isn't quite the same. Given that, the firstest with the mostest has an even better chance of winning and the first shot from the 40 takes no more time than the first shot from the 9.

English

USAFgoober
06-20-2012, 16:33
I carry a G23 with 180g Gold Dots and sometimes 180g PDX1s if I can't find the GDs.

I wouldn't feel under gunned with a G19, but I can shoot the 23 accurately enough so I'll take the more powerful round.

GetURWingz
06-22-2012, 09:01
I took my new G23 Gen 4 to the range Tuesday for the first time and shot the best grouping I ever have with a hand gun. I was using a G 37 as my CCW but I have now replaced with my G23.

brad_cwn
06-22-2012, 13:18
19 for me

catchthis45
06-22-2012, 13:24
23, ra40t

MonsterB
06-22-2012, 15:32
Gen4 G23. Why, because its not only the best Glock I have ever owned, but the best firearm I have ever owned. Have shot it dirty as heck, all kinds of amo from reloads to highend self defense rounds, well over 1500 rounds and not the sightest issue. You could catch the brass in a coffee cup. Smooth shooting and for whatever reason Im more accurate with 40 than 9mm. Amo doesnt cost much and its as easy to find as anything else. Thats all for now, could go on for a while. G23 is one of the finest examples of a Glock period.

Rick305
06-22-2012, 17:44
Gen4 G23. Why, because its not only the best Glock I have ever owned, but the best firearm I have ever owned. Have shot it dirty as heck, all kinds of amo from reloads to highend self defense rounds, well over 1500 rounds and not the sightest issue. You could catch the brass in a coffee cup. Smooth shooting and for whatever reason Im more accurate with 40 than 9mm. Amo doesnt cost much and its as easy to find as anything else. Thats all for now, could go on for a while. G23 is one of the finest examples of a Glock period.

Most glocks should feed anything , and have 1500 with no problem , even without cleaning.

I say 19. IMO the .40 is not worth the trade off of rounds and recoil. I'll shoot a .45/9 over a .40 all day.

G19


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catchthis45
06-22-2012, 19:13
If you can't stop the threat with 14 rounds (23) then you need to carry pepper gel since you can't shoot. As far as recoil, shoot some 180 Ranger T out of a G23 and then shoot some "old school" 9BPLE out of a G19...then you will fully understand why the 22 is the most carried sidearm by our LE and not the 17.

Cavalry Doc
06-22-2012, 19:54
If you can't stop the threat with 14 rounds (23) then you need to carry pepper gel since you can't shoot. As far as recoil, shoot some 180 Ranger T out of a G23 and then shoot some "old school" 9BPLE out of a G19...then you will fully understand why the 22 is the most carried sidearm by our LE and not the 17.

I tend to think shooting a friends .41 magnum with a 4 inch barrel prior to shooting a G23 puts things in perspective.

Bigger than 9mm, but they are both puny.

Puny God - YouTube

Rancho_Nirvana
06-22-2012, 20:09
I simply shoot the 19 much better, the .40 models float around on me during rapid fire.

Consider as well that 9mm will be around longer after the .40 is gone in an event such as a regional or national emergency, it is just a more ubiquitous ammo than the .40.

The 9mm is cheaper.

The ballistics are not compelling enough between the two in order for me to overcome those facts. If I shoot the a guy with the 19 in the same places as another guy did with the 23, you get the same result essentially, which if we got it right is a dead perp.

So for this Glock fan, it the 19 hands down.

leedesert
06-22-2012, 20:46
Basic physics states that if you have two objects traveling at the same speed, the larger/heavier of the two objects will deposit more energy when it impacts another object.
For EDC I won't go smaller than a .40.

Another practical example is I've been to numerous shoots with pepper poppers and on many occasion the 9mm would hit the popper and not knock it down. A second shot higher up usually does. I've never seen that with the .40 or.45.

I like the 23. Next to the 30 I think the 23 a well balanced gun. I got use to shooting the .40 in my LE years so I stick with it.

I know this is going to start a caliber war but I can't ignore the truth.

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Rancho_Nirvana
06-22-2012, 21:04
Basic physics will also tell you that the snappier .40 load will move your muzzle around considerably more than the smoother 9mm.

Shot placement is key as we all know, if I shoot you with my 19 with Speer Lawman HP's, you are a dead man.

OP, look at the ballistics for yourself, consider all the angles, and if in the end you like the .40, go for it.

Don't be goated into being trendy, many ppl will also tell you the S&W in 40 S&W stands for short and weak...

Those would be the guys carrying .45, which is my other Glock...

So be your own man and enjoy your gun whichever cal you decide upon, you can't go too wrong... ;-)

Two Guns
06-22-2012, 22:12
Well I still have not decided but I have been carrying my G19 more than either of my G23's. I think I am going to carry the 9mm in the summer and early fall and then go to the 40 in the late fall and winter. Thanks for all the replies.

catchthis45
06-22-2012, 22:18
Cavalry Doc "I tend to think shooting a friends .41 magnum with a 4 inch barrel prior to shooting a G23 puts things in perspective.

Bigger than 9mm, but they are both puny."

Calling a .40 puny is completely ignorant, sir! .380 or .32. SURE


We are comparing a 19 to a 23. Nobody mentioned a .41 Mag which recoils about the same as hand rolled 10mm. :cowboy:

catchthis45
06-22-2012, 22:21
Stick with the same weapon you are most efficient with...maybe switch to a deep penetrating bullet in the winter like Hornady TAP XTP, but no need to switch guns.

leedesert
06-23-2012, 06:36
Basic physics will also tell you that the snappier .40 load will move your muzzle around considerably more than the smoother 9mm.

Shot placement is key as we all know, if I shoot you with my 19 with Speer Lawman HP's, you are a dead man.

OP, look at the ballistics for yourself, consider all the angles, and if in the end you like the .40, go for it.

Don't be goated into being trendy, many ppl will also tell you the S&W in 40 S&W stands for short and weak...

Those would be the guys carrying .45, which is my other Glock...

So be your own man and enjoy your gun whichever cal you decide upon, you can't go too wrong... ;-)

In your scenario, if you physically have difficulty shooting larger calibers I would increase my strength by working out before I downsize the gun.
I, on the other hand, shoot the .40 as well as I do the 9. The 40 may prove to be more fatiguing after a day of shooting but I don't carry it daily for the remote chance a GSSF competition breaks out.
I don't like the arguments that assume everyone shoots the lower caliber great but suddenly suck when the move up.

Carry what you shoot well but more importantly, learn to shoot well what you carry.


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sharkbait22
06-23-2012, 08:31
Well I still have not decided but I have been carrying my G19 more than either of my G23's. I think I am going to carry the 9mm in the summer and early fall and then go to the 40 in the late fall and winter. Thanks for all the replies.

It's good to have options!

3RASER
06-23-2012, 08:50
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/20/cia-agent-lahore-civilian-deaths

9mm does the job with less recoil (faster follow up shots), more capacity, and cheaper ammunition costs (more practice). I bought my 19 using common sense..and knowing that the CIA use it made it a little easier. :cool:

TexasGlockster
06-23-2012, 09:26
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/20/cia-agent-lahore-civilian-deaths

9mm does the job with less recoil (faster follow up shots), more capacity, and cheaper ammunition costs (more practice). I bought my 19 using common sense..and knowing that the CIA use it made it a little easier. :cool:

First of all, G23! If you decide you want to carry 9mm you can get a.conversion barrel. Not if you get a 19. I have a 23 and it is awesome.

Now, if you like the 19 better fine, to each their own. And yes ammo is cheaper, which is good. But the round is inferior to 40 S&W. That is why most law enforcement agencies around the nation on both the state and federal level use the 40 S&W.

Me, I'll deal with the cost and practice for more power.

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3RASER
06-23-2012, 09:41
First of all, G23! If you decide you want to carry 9mm you can get a.conversion barrel. Not if you get a 19. I have a 23 and it is awesome.

Now, if you like the 19 better fine, to each their own. And yes ammo is cheaper, which is good. But the round is inferior to 40 S&W. That is why most law enforcement agencies around the nation on both the state and federal level use the 40 S&W.

Me, I'll deal with the cost and practice for more power.

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If you want stopping power, why not get a .45?

Two Guns
06-23-2012, 09:50
Guys, I already own the G19 and G23 so I don't need to buy any of them. I also already have a G32 barrel for my G23 so no need to buy more barrels. I was just having a hard time deciding which gun to carry between the G19 or G23 . Of course I will make the final decision but I like to hear what you guys think. Thanks for all the replies.

Two Guns
06-23-2012, 09:52
BTW it is so hot today that I am carrying my Ruger LCR. :)

Rancho_Nirvana
06-23-2012, 10:59
In your scenario, if you physically have difficulty shooting larger calibers I would increase my strength by working out before I downsize the gun.
I, on the other hand, shoot the .40 as well as I do the 9. The 40 may prove to be more fatiguing after a day of shooting but I don't carry it daily for the remote chance a GSSF competition breaks out.
I don't like the arguments that assume everyone shoots the lower caliber great but suddenly suck when the move up.

Carry what you shoot well but more importantly, learn to shoot well what you carry.


Sent via mental telepathy.

Okay, well...

1) I am 6'4" and 220 lbs, and I own a working ranch for a living, I don't think doing wrist curls is the answer...

2) I do not have any issue running big caliber guns, lol, I just acknowledged for the OP the reality that the .40 is a snappier round with the resulting recoil characteristics, as opposed to the 9mm with its more diminutive recoil in comparison.

3) Its not an issue of fatigue, its an issue of consistent accuracy, and delivering tight groups on target, particularly in a rapid fire drill/scenario.

...and...

4) The .40 is undoubtedly the darling of the gun world currently, but its funny to me how many of those trendy types who buy into it, get so weird around it, its almost like some mutation of the little man syndrome, "mines bigger than yours"...?

The .40 has its moments, if it works for ya, terrific, but in the end the 9mm just makes a more compelling all around argument for me.

...but just in case I'll go out back and work on my wrist muscles now by running a box through my G21... ;-)

leedesert
06-23-2012, 11:52
Okay, well...

1) I am 6'4" and 220 lbs, and I own a working ranch for a living, I don't think doing wrist curls is the answer...

2) I do not have any issue running big caliber guns, lol, I just acknowledged for the OP the reality that the .40 is a snappier round with the resulting recoil characteristics, as opposed to the 9mm with its more diminutive recoil in comparison.

3) Its not an issue of fatigue, its an issue of consistent accuracy, and delivering tight groups on target, particularly in a rapid fire drill/scenario.

...and...

4) The .40 is undoubtedly the darling of the gun world currently, but its funny to me how many of those trendy types who buy into it, get so weird around it, its almost like some mutation of the little man syndrome, "mines bigger than yours"...?

The .40 has its moments, if it works for ya, terrific, but in the end the 9mm just makes a more compelling all around argument for me.

...but just in case I'll go out back and work on my wrist muscles now by running a box through my G21... ;-)

I always find it funny how when people state how they prefer a smaller caliber over the bigger they assert how its better to hit with a smaller round than to miss with a larger one, assuming no one can shoot accurately with a larger round. Then they belittle the other shooters by saying they have a little man/bullet complex because they feel they need the larger round.

Your point is better taken when you just say you shoot the smaller round better. No need to put others down to justify your choice.

The fact is you should shoot the largest caliber you can accuratly fire rapidly while staying on target. You also have to consider concealment.
When I worked LE I wasn't concerned a out concealment so I carried a G21 on duty, G30 off duty, and a keltec P11 9mm as a back up gun.
The 40 is a good middle caliber that does most things well and I carried and trained with it for the second half of my career. I have never had to shoot anyone but I have had to shoot anyone but have witnessed my share of gunshot victims and those shot with a 9mm tend to fair better. Is that scientific, no, but I don't ever remember a scientist with me on any shooting.

As stated before, shoot what ever caliber you shoot well but you can train to shoot the next higher caliber you can conceal well.




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Rancho_Nirvana
06-23-2012, 12:00
I always find it funny how when people state how they prefer a smaller caliber over the bigger they assert how its better to hit with a smaller round than to miss with a larger one, assuming no one can shoot accurately with a larger round. Then they belittle the other shooters by saying they have a little man/bullet complex because they feel they need the larger round.

Your point is better taken when you just say you shoot the smaller round better. No need to put others down to justify your choice.

The fact is you should shoot the largest caliber you can accuratly fire rapidly while staying on target. You also have to consider concealment.
When I worked LE I wasn't concerned a out concealment so I carried a G21 on duty, G30 off duty, and a keltec P11 9mm as a back up gun.
The 40 is a good middle caliber that does most things well and I carried and trained with it for the second half of my career. I have never had to shoot anyone but I have had to shoot anyone but have witnessed my share of gunshot victims and those shot with a 9mm tend to fair better. Is that scientific, no, but I don't ever remember a scientist with me on any shooting.

As stated before, shoot what ever caliber you shoot well but you can train to shoot the next higher caliber you can conceal well.




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Lee, that it just what I did, I stated the facts as I see them, justified my points in several ways...

...and then you copied my post... and suggested I work out before I move down in caliber...

So... heed your own advice.

Anyway, my point was directed to you in response to your copying and pasting my original post, but it was meant to be read as a generic statement.

Didn't mean to put anyone down, enjoy your Glocks, I sure enjoy mine. ;-)

Rancho_Nirvana
06-23-2012, 12:12
First of all, G23! If you decide you want to carry 9mm you can get a.conversion barrel. Not if you get a 19. I have a 23 and it is awesome.

Now, if you like the 19 better fine, to each their own. And yes ammo is cheaper, which is good. But the round is inferior to 40 S&W. That is why most law enforcement agencies around the nation on both the state and federal level use the 40 S&W.

Me, I'll deal with the cost and practice for more power.

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I understand from the latest data that 70% of Law Enforcement carry 9mm.

leedesert
06-23-2012, 12:20
Lee, that it just what I did, I stated the facts as I see them, justified my points in several ways...

...and then you copied my post... and suggested I work out before I move down in caliber...

So... heed your own advice.

Anyway, my point was directed to you in response to your copying and pasting my original post, but it was meant to be read as a generic statement.

Didn't mean to put anyone down, enjoy your Glocks, I sure enjoy mine. ;-)

Agreed, I just shot today with my daughter and shes ready for the zombie invasion...lol

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leedesert
06-23-2012, 12:22
I understand from the latest data that 70% of Law Enforcement carry 9mm.

This more of a budgetary decision than anything else. Ammo is cheaper, training is easier, less liability because they don't carry those big mean rounds. If you want the truth look at what their swat teams are shooting.

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Rancho_Nirvana
06-23-2012, 12:24
Nothing like a girl with a gun... ;-)

I have a bunch of kids, but one is an 8 yr old Son who is pretty fond of the idea of butchering a horde of zombies himself... lol

Rancho_Nirvana
06-23-2012, 12:27
You nailed it earlier Lee, best advice is for everyone to do what works for ya...

M&P Shooter
06-23-2012, 12:31
In order it goes like this.......9mm/.357sig/.40/45gap/45acp/10mm

madwill
06-23-2012, 12:51
i carry the .40 for diferent reasons than most. i based my decsion on what the bullet does when the shot isn't perfect. if the shot is placed perfectly then it really does not matter wether it's a 9/40/45, but, on the chance it's not a "perfect" shot i'll take any bit of extra energy and bullet mass i can to cause trauma/broken bones/blood loss. in a less than perfect scenario the .40 beats out the 9 for tissue damage and beats out the .45 for overall capacity to gun size ratio. therefore, the glock 23 is my carry weapon of choice. what do i have for home defense? why, a 12 gauge and a glock 21 since weapon size isn't as important for home defense.

leedesert
06-23-2012, 12:51
The girl can shoot my 23 at 10yds.

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GOOFA
06-23-2012, 14:01
I'm proficient with the 9mm, 40 S&W and 45acp that I would carry any of the three, however situation and scenario would play an important role on which to carry at a particular time. I am the most accurate with the 9 for double and triple taps and the 40 and 45 is close in results when at the range but all three lethal enough in real life situations.

Hokiegrass
06-23-2012, 17:50
I have both and carry both; both will do the job.

M&P Shooter
06-23-2012, 17:58
but all three lethal enough in real life situations.:whistling:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/9mm45acp.jpg

cfr
06-23-2012, 18:05
Consider as well that 9mm will be around longer after the .40 is gone in an event such as a regional or national emergency, it is just a more ubiquitous ammo than the .40.


Strange, the last ammo shortage saw .40's being avaiable more than 9's in my region. Not sure why a true emergency would be any different?

Personally Im starting to lean towards 9's for small/ medium pistols and .40's for larger pistols.

troysglock
06-23-2012, 18:12
Always thought caliber wars were the same as the Ford vs. Chevy argument. Service calibers are all at the bottom of the ballistic spectrum, get a real gun if you want power - a rifle.

alexhartang
06-23-2012, 19:36
I tend to think shooting a friends .41 magnum with a 4 inch barrel prior to shooting a G23 puts things in perspective.

Bigger than 9mm, but they are both puny.

puny? Have you ever shot a .40? Not the hugest round but it packs quite a wallop none the less. Calling .40 puny is like running blindfolded at night, it's just stupid.


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06-23-2012, 19:42
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GOOFA
06-24-2012, 06:09
but all three lethal enough in real life situations.

:whistling:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/9mm45acp.jpg

And your statement is?

zgar
06-24-2012, 06:27
I'd go with the 23 , besides you can get a wolf barrel 40 to 9mm conversion and have two guns in one.

PattonT
06-24-2012, 06:52
And your statement is?

I think he is saying he likes his calibErs like he likes his women, that is big, slow, and expensive to feed.

harleytech
06-24-2012, 07:20
I own both and prefer the G19.

+1...!! :wavey:
And the G26 too...

Cavalry Doc
06-24-2012, 08:33
puny? Have you ever shot a .40? Not the hugest round but it packs quite a wallop none the less. Calling .40 puny is like running blindfolded at night, it's just stupid.


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G23 daily carry, probably more than 2000 rounds, less than 4,000. :dunno:

After shooting something like a .41 mag, hand loaded with hot loads, the .40 just doesn't seem like much. The recoil is not a problem for me. Yes, it is puny compared to many other rounds.

But stupid? Maybe you need to add something to your diet.

http://science.kukuchew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/popeye-spinach.jpg

If that and a few trips to the gym doesn't do it for you, Federal has a .40 low recoil hydra-shock in 135 grains. They were probably made for ladies, but there is no reason you can't use them too.

Made in Austria
06-24-2012, 08:54
I prefer the G23. I wouldn't hesitate to carry a G19 though. Both are lethal.

Deputydog25
06-24-2012, 19:03
I carry a 23 with a .357 sig conversion. I know I will probably get some argument over this but in my humble opinion the .357 Sig cartridge is the best choice for self defense hands down.

Inebriated
06-24-2012, 19:06
I carry a 23 with a .357 sig conversion.
Yep.

I don't like the compacts, but if I did, it'd be a 32 or a 23 with the .357 Sig barrel.

PattonT
06-24-2012, 19:38
I carry a 23 with a .357 sig conversion. I know I will probably get some argument over this but in my humble opinion the .357 Sig cartridge is the best choice for self defense hands down.

If you study and analyze 9/40/357/45 you would pick a 9 or 40. There is just something about 357Sig that just says bad ass.
Btw, I'm a 9 and 40 guy.

scosgt
06-24-2012, 19:53
I just took my old service weapons (G19 and G26) off my NYC permit and put a G27 and G23 on instead. Now that I can carry what I want, I'll go with the gun that makes the bigger hole.
My OLD G23 shoots way better than my (also old) G19. For whatever reason, it just is way more accurate and controllable in my hands.

catchthis45
06-24-2012, 20:00
G23 daily carry, probably more than 2000 rounds, less than 4,000. :dunno:

After shooting something like a .41 mag, hand loaded with hot loads, the .40 just doesn't seem like much. The recoil is not a problem for me. Yes, it is puny compared to many other rounds.

But stupid? Maybe you need to add something to your diet.

http://science.kukuchew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/popeye-spinach.jpg

If that and a few trips to the gym doesn't do it for you, Federal has a .40 low recoil hydra-shock in 135 grains. They were probably made for ladies, but there is no reason you can't use them too.

SO, YOU RECOMMEND THE 23. THANKS FOR AGREEING WITH MY RECOMMENDATION MR CYBER SWOLE !:tongueout:

dajcarroll
06-24-2012, 20:05
Honestly, I'd carry either one. Carry which ever you are more comfortable with. Both calibers will get the job done.


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Proxstud
06-24-2012, 20:09
It's amazing how some people still argue about caliber size when it's been proven not to matter with today's high tech ammo. The only thing the matters is the person shooting. It's the Indian not the Arrow It's shot placement, not hole size.

Still can't find anyone who is willing to let me shoot them with a .22 LR in the chest because it's such a small round.

As for G19 vs. G23. Both great choices. Boils down to how you can manage each round, follow up shots, etc. If you can afford to practice more with 9mm due to price, I would go with 9mm. If cost is not an issue and you can do follow up shots well with the .40, it's a good choice as well.

texasKA
06-24-2012, 20:37
Got both. Carry both

GLOCKRLEGENDZ
06-24-2012, 20:51
+ 1 On the glock 23 for carry I use it every day in a raven phantom holster.

dajcarroll
06-24-2012, 21:02
It's amazing how some people still argue about caliber size when it's been proven not to matter with today's high tech ammo. The only thing the matters is the person shooting. It's the Indian not the Arrow It's shot placement, not hole size.

Still can't find anyone who is willing to let me shoot them with a .22 LR in the chest because it's such a small round.

As for G19 vs. G23. Both great choices. Boils down to how you can manage each round, follow up shots, etc. If you can afford to practice more with 9mm due to price, I would go with 9mm. If cost is not an issue and you can do follow up shots well with the .40, it's a good choice as well.

+1




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G37 - Gen 3

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 04:16
SO, YOU RECOMMEND THE 23. THANKS FOR AGREEING WITH MY RECOMMENDATION MR CYBER SWOLE !:tongueout:

You didn't make a recommendation, you ignorantly called the suggestion to desensitize yourself to the recoil analogous to running blindfolded at night. I'm 5'10", 180#, average build, but I figured with your fear of the .40 recoil, maybe it was you that was puny and offered some helpful advice .

Try reading it from the beginning. Again.

Pred8tory
06-25-2012, 04:31
I carried a 19 on duty and own and like both. If you can't practice regularly you should consider the 19, it's easier to shoot.

PattonT
06-25-2012, 05:54
I've got about 5k rounds through both models and can't tell a difference any more. Maybe off hand I can tell and the G23 doesseam to be louder. Just get the one that makes you feel warm and fuzzy about carrying it.

leedesert
06-25-2012, 06:02
It's amazing how some people still argue about caliber size when it's been proven not to matter with today's high tech ammo. The only thing the matters is the person shooting. It's the Indian not the Arrow It's shot placement, not hole size.

Still can't find anyone who is willing to let me shoot them with a .22 LR in the chest because it's such a small round.

As for G19 vs. G23. Both great choices. Boils down to how you can manage each round, follow up shots, etc. If you can afford to practice more with 9mm due to price, I would go with 9mm. If cost is not an issue and you can do follow up shots well with the .40, it's a good choice as well.

Its not about the hole size, its about the bullets weight and its ability to deposit its energy into the target.

Again, another claim that if you shoot something bigger than what he shoots you will miss your target wildly. Only the round he shoots can be shot accuratly....:rolleyes:

How about we make you analogy more realistic and get a show of hands....
If you were on a firing line and were sentenced to be shot one time, regardless if you live or die, and if you live you will be released, would you chose the 9mm round or a 44 magnum?



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catchthis45
06-25-2012, 12:00
You didn't make a recommendation, you ignorantly called the suggestion to desensitize yourself to the recoil analogous to running blindfolded at night. I'm 5'10", 180#, average build, but I figured with your fear of the .40 recoil, maybe it was you that was puny and offered some helpful advice .

Try reading it from the beginning. Again.

READ POST #170. LOL... I carry a 23 day in and out stoked with 180 grain Ranger T series. I do not fear the recoil of a .40. :rofl: I shoot GSSF with my 23 and use Speer Lawman for matches because I like to replicate the recoil of my carry round. :upeyes:

brisk21
06-25-2012, 12:29
I have 9, .40, and .45. Between the 9 and the .40, if I had to shoot something or someone, Id rather do it with the .40. Glock 23 is my pick.

catchthis45
06-25-2012, 12:38
If you can't stop the threat with 14 rounds (23) then you need to carry pepper gel since you can't shoot. As far as recoil, shoot some 180 Ranger T out of a G23 and then shoot some "old school" 9BPLE out of a G19...then you will fully understand why the 22 is the most carried sidearm by our LE and not the 17.

The recoil of a full power 9mm feels the same as a full power .40 to me in basically identical guns... point being that the .40 is the most popular service round because the heavier projectile impacts the BG with more energy .:shocked:

troysglock
06-25-2012, 13:01
The recoil of a full power 9mm feels the same as a full power .40 to me in basically identical guns... point being that the .40 is the most popular service round because the heavier projectile impacts the BG with more energy .:shocked:

If 14 rounds doesn't work I would seriously consider running the other way.

catchthis45
06-25-2012, 13:12
Agreed. I would rather not have my face eaten off or worse.

scosgt
06-25-2012, 13:26
If 14 rounds doesn't work I would seriously consider running the other way.

Unless you are a LEO the ONLY thing you should consider is running the other way unless it is not possible to do so in complete safety. In which case......

troysglock
06-25-2012, 13:27
Agreed. I would rather not have my face eaten off or worse.

Bath salt zombie invasion

troysglock
06-25-2012, 13:37
Unless you are a LEO the ONLY thing you should consider is running the other way unless it is not possible to do so in complete safety. In which case......

Knife or something fancy I learned over the years of Krav training. Lol

SouthpawG26
06-25-2012, 13:45
Bath salt zombie invasion

Bath salt BUTT NEKKID ZOMBIE DUDE invasion.

That is by far the most horrible part.

CPatt44
06-25-2012, 13:46
No question I would carry a G19. More capacity, faster follow up shots, and I can shoot the gun very well.

With modern self defense ammo the difference between the 9mm and .40 is not very much.

+1 with everything Cole says but I DO carry a G19 for these very reasons.

greentriple
06-25-2012, 17:23
Well, considering all but afar action of SD shootings are resolved with 2 rounds, the other 14 are great belt weights!

Oops, my bad, I forgot the frequent attack by 10-15 armed and marauding gang members.
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SNH Glocks
06-25-2012, 17:26
A G23, very nice balance of power and size IMO.

packinaglock
06-25-2012, 18:14
Bath salt BUTT NEKKID ZOMBIE DUDE invasion.

That is by far the most horrible part.

Kinda makes ya want to invest in kevlar underware to go with a vest. :supergrin:

pizza
06-25-2012, 18:16
I carry a G19 and am fine with it but I'd like to have a G23 too someday.


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Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 18:24
READ POST #170. LOL... I carry a 23 day in and out stoked with 180 grain Ranger T series. I do not fear the recoil of a .40. :rofl: I shoot GSSF with my 23 and use Speer Lawman for matches because I like to replicate the recoil of my carry round. :upeyes:

Oooh. Then you should know better than to make the posts you've made.

LuvDog
06-25-2012, 18:41
G19. And maybe I'm going against the grain, but I like to minimize calibers that I own.

rilkil23
06-25-2012, 19:13
My 19c arrived today. Traded a GT member for my g35. Looking forward to shooting my new carry piece. I have a g22 that I currently use as my EDC.


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catchthis45
06-25-2012, 19:59
Oooh. Then you should know better than to make the posts you've made.

Dude, we both carry and recommend a 23 for EDC... Get your facist brain out of your bore , seriously !

Smoker
06-25-2012, 20:08
23 it will interchange with my 32!!

tacops5372
06-25-2012, 22:04
I've carried both G22 and used G35 for tactical operations. Carried a G27 for off duty for a year or two. Had moved up to a 19 for capacity reasons only. Now have moved to a G23c. for ccw... Just got used to shooting 40 for a very long time....

3RASER
06-25-2012, 22:14
It's amazing how some people still argue about caliber size when it's been proven not to matter with today's high tech ammo. The only thing the matters is the person shooting. It's the Indian not the Arrow It's shot placement, not hole size.

Still can't find anyone who is willing to let me shoot them with a .22 LR in the chest because it's such a small round.

As for G19 vs. G23. Both great choices. Boils down to how you can manage each round, follow up shots, etc. If you can afford to practice more with 9mm due to price, I would go with 9mm. If cost is not an issue and you can do follow up shots well with the .40, it's a good choice as well.

Well said!!

CanMan
06-25-2012, 22:31
G19 is what I'm carrying right now. I traded my G23 on a Rem 40x.

soggy_spinout
06-26-2012, 00:34
OK guys, What would you choose to carry a Glock 19 or Glock 23.

For what I very loosely call a carry rotation (99% G23), I use both. As much as I like my G19, my 23s are my go-to pistols for both carry and HD, though the G19 is never far away at home.

M&P Shooter
06-26-2012, 04:19
And your statement is?
Statement was very clear to those who no better.

GOOFA
06-26-2012, 15:34
I'm proficient with the 9mm, 40 S&W and 45acp that I would carry any of the three, however situation and scenario would play an important role on which to carry at a particular time. I am the most accurate with the 9 for double and triple taps and the 40 and 45 is close in results when at the range but all three lethal enough in real life situations.

:whistling:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/9mm45acp.jpg

I think he is saying he likes his calibErs like he likes his women, that is big, slow, and expensive to feed.

:rofl: