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JBnTX
06-11-2012, 13:54
Could you get into Heaven?

This guy dies and goes to heaven where he meets Peter at the Pearly Gates. Before he can enter Peter gives him a few questions to answer. He has to accumulate 100 points before he can go in.

"So, how often did you go to church?" Peter asks.

"I went every Sunday and Wednesday," replied the man.

"That's one point," answers Peter.

"One point? wow! I figured it would be worth more than that."

"And did you give in the offerings?" asked Peter.

"Yes, I gave 10% of all my income every week," answered the man.

"Well, let's see," answers Peter, "that's worth 3 points. Did you do anything else?"

"Well, right off hand, I can't think of a whole lot. I did mostly what I thought I was supposed to do."

"Well, we'll give you 5 points for good behavior, can't you come up with something else?"

By this time, the man is completely flustered. He finally cries, "Well, I can't come up with anything else. It looks like that no one can enter heaven except by the Grace of God!"

"100 points! Come on in!"

(Author Unknown)

SIGlock
06-11-2012, 18:41
Are you saying that God's Grace only worth.....91 point?

1 + 3 + 5 + 91 = 100 points

OK. Now, let's get serious: I know this is suppose to be a funny story. However, it could mislead some people. You see: God's Grace alone will get you to Heaven. Anything else worths.....nothing....0 point. That's right. ZERO point.

Here is the proof from the Bible:

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast" Ephesian 2:8-9

Cavalry Doc
06-11-2012, 18:46
I'm going to have a talk with him about that, as soon as I meet him.

juggy4711
06-11-2012, 20:26
Well looks like I'm screwed.

Lone Wolf8634
06-11-2012, 21:34
Are you saying that God's Grace only worth.....91 point?

1 + 3 + 5 + 91 = 100 points

OK. Now, let's get serious: I know this is suppose to be a funny story. However, it could mislead some people. You see: God's Grace alone will get you to Heaven. Anything else worths.....nothing....0 point. That's right. ZERO point.

Here is the proof from the Bible:

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast" Ephesian 2:8-9

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I seriously doubt it'll mislead even the thickest of folks.

SIGlock
06-11-2012, 22:05
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I seriously doubt it'll mislead even the thickest of folks.

I wish that joke was the only thing that could mislead people. Unfortunately, so many people are mislead by the concept of good works (with or without that joke).

The reality is: If you ask anyone this question: Why should God let you enter heaven....the majority of all the answers you will get from most people.... will have nothing to do with God's grace. Sad, very sad.

ChuteTheMall
06-11-2012, 22:08
How did he get into heaven without Jesus Christ?

:headscratch:

SIGlock
06-11-2012, 22:11
Well looks like I'm screwed.

Not necessary. Unless you want that way. You have a choice. Everyone has a choice. God does not force anyone to accept him. It's all up to you.

"Amazing Grace: how sweet the sound,
that saved the wretch like me.
I once was lost, but now I am found.
Was blind but now I see".

SIGlock
06-11-2012, 22:19
How did he get into heaven without Jesus Christ?

No one can get to heaven without Jesus Christ.

God's plan of salvation is simple: It has to do with putting our faith and trust on Jesus Christ and not of your good works. So, by faith, you believe that Jesus Christ (and him alone) will save you. For you can't save yourself based on your good works alone.

The ENTIRE bible comes to focus on this verse that we all know as John 3:16. Quote by many, yet most people do not understand the simplicity of God's plan of salvation. Perhaps, most people do understand it....but their PRIDE get in the way....and they find it hard to believe that salvation does NOT require any good works. Perhaps, it requires humility...to accept that we are all sinners and must come to Jesus by faith, which turns out to be quite a difficult task for many people.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son (Jesus Christ), that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". John 3:16

Animal Mother
06-11-2012, 22:35
Who wants into Heaven when Valhalla is an option?

SIGlock
06-11-2012, 22:40
Who wants into Heaven when Valhalla is an option?

Well, it's your choice. You are free to choose.

juggy4711
06-11-2012, 22:44
Not necessary. Unless you want that way. You have a choice. Everyone has a choice. God does not force anyone to accept him. It's all up to you.

"Amazing Grace: how sweet the sound,
that saved the wretch like me.
I once was lost, but now I am found.
Was blind but now I see".

Yep I'm definitely screwed. I believe in God, I just don't believe in any of the rest of that nonsense.

Who wants into Heaven when Valhalla is an option?

Good point. Add some pasta and I'm all in.

SIGlock
06-11-2012, 22:54
Yep I'm definitely screwed. I believe in God, I just don't believe in any of the rest of that nonsense.


Are John 3:16 and Ephesian 2:8-9....as part of that nonsense you don't believe? They are taken from the Bible, you know.

If you said you believe in God; will you believe what God says in the Bible about how to obtain salvation....God's way. Not your way.

Tommy Hanrahan
06-11-2012, 23:37
Will there be hookers and beer? If so I am repentant.

ChuteTheMall
06-12-2012, 00:24
Will there be hookers and beer? If so I am repentant.

Ex-hookers and beer without drunkeness.

Tommy Hanrahan
06-12-2012, 00:49
Ex-hookers and beer without drunkeness.

Bless me father for I have sinned. It's been 47 years since my last confession........can't recall what litany comes after that. Anyways, I want in before the ex-hookers are all spoken for. Hey, maybe we are each guaranteed a certain number, you know, like the mooslums all get 72 virgins? How many hookers or skanks does a medium sized white guy who hasn't done much bad get?

GreenDrake
06-12-2012, 09:22
I want to go to hell, if that's where all the bad girls go.

Roering
06-12-2012, 10:43
I can hit a 1 iron.

juggy4711
06-12-2012, 20:16
Are John 3:16 and Ephesian 2:8-9....as part of that nonsense you don't believe? They are taken from the Bible, you know.

If you said you believe in God; will you believe what God says in the Bible about how to obtain salvation....God's way. Not your way.

Yes they are and yes I know from where they came. And no I won't because God did not write the Bible, man did. Man which I know to be fallible. So yeah my way, not what some dude decided to write down was God's.

How many days a week do you go to church?

JAS104
06-12-2012, 20:22
Pretty sure there's unlimited ammo in Heaven.
And FYI-- Jesus is a Glock guy, too.

NMG26
06-12-2012, 20:27
Heaven is a made up place in the future.

"sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

Live for the today, the future will take care of itself.

If you walk with God in the present, there is no reason to think you will not be with God in the future heaven, if there be one.

Why should God let me into heaven?
"I'm already in heaven." I think Jesus would have said something like that.

SIGlock
06-12-2012, 21:00
Will there be hookers and beer? If so I am repentant.

Actually, I have heard of this type of heaven. Contrary to the teaching from the Bible, this special type of heaven does not require God's grace but much good works. It may require good works that goes beyond attending church, give offering, etc. It actually requires the greatest self sacrifice of yourself in this life. For example, one can fly an airplane full of people and slamp it into a building....killing everyone including yourself. Accomplishing such task all by yourself....scoring 100 points. You get the picture.

No thanks, this method is too hard for me to get into heaven. It is not scripture anyway. You may try it your way...if it means that much to you.

SIGlock
06-12-2012, 21:04
Bless me father for I have sinned. It's been 47 years since my last confession........can't recall what litany comes after that. Anyways, I want in before the ex-hookers are all spoken for. Hey, maybe we are each guaranteed a certain number, you know, like the mooslums all get 72 virgins? How many hookers or skanks does a medium sized white guy who hasn't done much bad get?

So much for repentant that you show....with such request, huh? You just sin again.

Cavalry Doc
06-12-2012, 21:05
I want to go to hell, if that's where all the bad girls go.

Just curious, but have you ever heard this joke.....

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies.
His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.'
'No problem, just let me in,' says the man.
'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.'
'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the senator.
'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'
And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.
Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.
They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.
Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly & nice guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.
Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...
The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.
'Now it's time to visit heaven.'
So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.
'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.'
The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.'
So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.
Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.
He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.
The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the senator. 'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.
What happened?'
The devil looks at him, smiles and says, 'Yesterday we were campaigning.. ..

Today you voted.'

SIGlock
06-12-2012, 21:11
Yes they are and yes I know from where they came. And no I won't because God did not write the Bible, man did. Man which I know to be fallible. So yeah my way, not what some dude decided to write down was God's.

How many days a week do you go to church?

Thanks for being honest with your answer. Very straight forward. I respect that.

How often I go to church is not an important point here. Plus it's all about work and not Grace. So, I'd rather not say.

SIGlock
06-12-2012, 21:19
If you walk with God in the present, there is no reason to think you will not be with God in the future heaven, if there be one.

Interestingly, I do agree with you on this particular thing that you wrote. NOT ALL THINGS That you wrote.

I do have a question: How does one learn to walk with God in the present? If you honestly know this answer....please let us know. I think the answer may be already addressed here in so many ways.

SIGlock
06-12-2012, 21:27
I want to go to hell, if that's where all the bad girls go.

....and all the bad boys will be there, too.

The bad boys would take all the girls for themselves and beat you up silly. Then they would tie you up and do....all types of unkind things to you for eternity. This is the reality of hell. Why? because hell is a tormented place, remember. :supergrin:

SIGlock
06-12-2012, 21:36
Pretty sure there's unlimited ammo in Heaven.
And FYI-- Jesus is a Glock guy, too.

I hope so. A good clean fun...for eternity.

Now, I know that resisting Glock and God's Grace are futile in this present world. May Glock and God's Grace last forever and ever....in heaven.AMEN.:supergrin:

SIGlock
06-12-2012, 21:44
Ex-hookers and beer without drunkeness.

Great thoughts on the EX-hookers.

Actually, heaven will consist of EX-con, murderers, cheaters, liars, thiefs, envy people, liberal, democrat, 1911 folks, glockers, the bad and the ugly. :supergrin:

ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON: Saved by Grace through Faith and not of any good things that they did here on earth.:faint:

juggy4711
06-12-2012, 21:47
Thanks for being honest with your answer. Very straight forward. I respect that.

How often I go to church is not an important point here. Plus it's all about work and not Grace. So, I'd rather not say.

It was a trick question as in my view I am constantly in church. Thanks for the compliment.

NMG26
06-13-2012, 04:24
I do have a question: How does one learn to walk with God in the present? If you honestly know this answer....please let us know. I think the answer may be already addressed here in so many ways.

A relationship with God is built on faith.

"Without faith it is impossible to know God."

What you believe, is tied up in everything you have heard, and experienced. "Faith comes by hearing."

Your faith experience is what takes place in the your inner dialogue. You talking to you.....God is there.

Practice, practicing the presence of God. Lots of books have been written on this, and each person should be able to write a book on it. God in the individual.

Colubrid
06-13-2012, 08:00
True christian are OBEDIENT to the Lord. There are many who are not who call themselves christians.

Also doing works or having "fruits" does not mean you are a christian if you are not obedient.

And i am not talking about sins we commit and repent and ask forgiveness for. i am speaking such like divorcing your christian wife and commiting adultery with another without repenting and trying to reconcile. Many christians are divorced their spouses for something other than adultery. We have many in churches like this that are serving in some capacity. But they never repented and went back to their spouse.

Scripture says you can't get remarried. Everyone knows that and yet....


NO REPENTANCE. They stay in this adulterous state until the die.

Many will come to Him on that day and say did I not do this and that for you in your name. And he will say "get away from me because I never knew you".

GreenDrake
06-13-2012, 08:06
....and all the bad boys will be there, too.

The bad boys would take all the girls for themselves and beat you up silly. Then they would tie you up and do....all types of unkind things to you for eternity. This is the reality of hell. Why? because hell is a tormented place, remember. :supergrin:

Doubt it, at least there won't be any SDA or Jehovahs down there. I have plenty of shorts so the heat won't bother me so much. Not worried about it in the least.

Kingarthurhk
06-14-2012, 05:42
John 14:6, "<sup class="versenum">6 </sup>Jesus answered, “I am <sup class="crossreference" value='(H (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26675H))'></sup> the way <sup class="crossreference" value='(I (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26675I))'></sup> and the truth <sup class="crossreference" value='(J (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26675J))'></sup> and the life. <sup class="crossreference" value='(K (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26675K))'></sup> No one comes to the Father except through me. <sup class="crossreference" value='(L (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26675L))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">7 </sup>If you really know me, you will know<sup class="footnote" value='[b (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-26676b)]'>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26676b)]</sup> my Father as well. <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26676M))'></sup> From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

John 14:23-24, "<sup class="versenum">23 </sup>Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26692AK))'></sup> My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AL (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26692AL))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">24 </sup>Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."

John 3:16, "For God so loved <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137V))'></sup> the world that he gave <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137W))'></sup> his one and only Son, <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137X))'></sup> that whoever believes <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137Y))'></sup> in him shall not perish but have eternal life. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137Z))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>For God did not send his Son into the world <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26138AA))'></sup> to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26138AB))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Whoever believes in him is not condemned, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26139AC))'></sup> but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26139AD))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>This is the verdict: Light <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26140AE))'></sup> has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26140AF))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26141AG))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God."

John 14:1-2, "Do not let your hearts be troubled. <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26670A))'></sup> You believe <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26670B))'></sup> in God<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-26670a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26670a)]</sup>; <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26670C))'></sup> believe also in me. <sup class="versenum">2 </sup>My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26671D))'></sup> to prepare a place for you? <sup class="versenum">3 </sup>And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back <sup class="crossreference" value='(E (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26672E))'></sup> and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. <sup class="crossreference" value='(F (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26672F))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">4 </sup>You know the way to the place where I am going.”

There are all beautiful versese of assurance. However, we all have our troubles and sticking points. The hardest part of Jesus' teaching for me, that I am still trying to overcome is:

Luke 6:27-36, "
<sup class="versenum">27 </sup>“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AH (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25174AH))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">28 </sup>bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25175AI))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">29 </sup>If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25177AJ))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">31 </sup>Do to others as you would have them do to you. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25178AK))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">32 </sup>“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? <sup class="crossreference" value='(AL (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25179AL))'></sup> Even sinners love those who love them. <sup class="versenum">33 </sup>And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. <sup class="versenum">34 </sup>And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? <sup class="crossreference" value='(AM (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25181AM))'></sup> Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. <sup class="versenum">35 </sup>But love your enemies, do good to them, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AN (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25182AN))'></sup> and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children <sup class="crossreference" value='(AO (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25182AO))'></sup> of the Most High, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AP (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25182AP))'></sup> because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. <sup class="versenum">36 </sup>Be merciful, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AQ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25183AQ))'></sup> just as your Father <sup class="crossreference" value='(AR (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25183AR))'></sup> is merciful."

I have a long way to go until I am like Christ. I would be a liar if I did not honestly admit my faults.

BuckeyePPC
06-14-2012, 09:21
Not necessary. Unless you want that way. You have a choice. Everyone has a choice. God does not force anyone to accept him. It's all up to you.

"Amazing Grace: how sweet the sound,
that saved the wretch like me.
I once was lost, but now I am found.
Was blind but now I see".

I love this hymn song to the Gilligan's Island theme. Just for giggles, I try to see how many hymns I can sing to the GI theme.

Smacktard
06-14-2012, 09:31
How much of your time do you waste on this silly stuff?


....

Brasso
06-14-2012, 11:16
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast" Ephesian 2:8-9


Wonderful.

Now, what do you once you're saved?

The just will live by faith.
The Justified will live by faith.
The justified will live by obeying God, because faith without works is dead.

The Justified (saved by grace) will live a lfe pleasing to God by obeying Him. Not to get saved (justified) because that is free, but because you are ALREADY saved.

Get it?

Walt_NC
06-18-2012, 21:34
I don't believe in God(s), the afterlife and, by proxy, heaven and hell. But hypothetically, if I am wrong and have to stand before the man after I die, my argument would be this:

I should be permitted in to heaven because I have lived a good life. I have devoted myself to helping others and emphasized fairness, even when it was not in my own best interest. I have treated others as I would want to be treated. And I have done these things because they are the right thing to do, not because I am seeking to be rewarded (get in to heaven), or to avoid punishment (to stay out of hell). That I have done these things without believing in a metaphysical carrot and stick makes them that much more genuine.

Kingarthurhk
06-18-2012, 21:48
I don't believe in God(s), the afterlife and, by proxy, heaven and hell. But hypothetically, if I am wrong and have to stand before the man after I die, my argument would be this:

I should be permitted in to heaven because I have lived a good life. I have devoted myself to helping others and emphasized fairness, even when it was not in my own best interest. I have treated others as I would want to be treated. And I have done these things because they are the right thing to do, not because I am seeking to be rewarded (get in to heaven), or to avoid punishment (to stay out of hell). That I have done these things without believing in a metaphysical carrot and stick makes them that much more genuine.

You are facing two major hurdles with that thought process:

Isaiah 64:6, "All of us have become like one who is unclean, <sup class="crossreference" value='(L (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18892L))'></sup>
and all our righteous <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18892M))'></sup> acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf, <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18892N))'></sup>
and like the wind our sins sweep us away."

To put it in perspective, these filthy rags are referring to the rags used by a woman to have her period. Given the cultural concept of uncleanliness that puts it in rather graphic perspective.

Romans 3:21-16, " But now apart from the law the righteousness of God <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28013AB))'></sup> has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28013AC))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">22 </sup>This righteousness <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28014AD))'></sup> is given through faith <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28014AE))'></sup> in<sup class="footnote" value='[h (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-28014h)]'>[h (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28014h)]</sup> Jesus Christ <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28014AF))'></sup> to all who believe. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28014AG))'></sup> There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AH (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28014AH))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">23 </sup>for all have sinned <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28015AI))'></sup> and fall short of the glory of God, <sup class="versenum">24 </sup>and all are justified <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28016AJ))'></sup> freely by his grace <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28016AK))'></sup> through the redemption <sup class="crossreference" value='(AL (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28016AL))'></sup> that came by Christ Jesus. <sup class="versenum">25 </sup>God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,<sup class="footnote" value='[i (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-28017i)]'>[i (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28017i)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(AM (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28017AM))'></sup> through the shedding of his blood <sup class="crossreference" value='(AN (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28017AN))'></sup> —to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished <sup class="crossreference" value='(AO (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28017AO))'></sup> — <sup class="versenum">26 </sup>he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus."

John 14:6, "Jesus answered, “I am <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26675A))'></sup> the way <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26675B))'></sup> and the truth <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26675C))'></sup> and the life. <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26675D))'></sup> No one comes to the Father except through me." <sup class="crossreference" value='(O (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18892O))'></sup>

John 3:16, "For God so loved <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137A))'></sup> the world that he gave <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137B))'></sup> his one and only Son, <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137C))'></sup> that whoever believes <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137D))'></sup> in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

What it comes down to, is you can't earn heaven. The penalty for sin is death, we've all earned that. Jesus took that death for us. It is through a faith relationship that we are saved, not upon our own meritorious works.

I have no doubt by your statement that you are a sincere and thoughtful person. It is why I stopped and was compelled to write this to you.

I have no doubt that you have done very good works. I commend you for your attitude in wanting to follow the Royal Law of Christ without even knowing it.

Mark 12:28-34, "<sup> </sup>One of the teachers of the law <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24702T))'></sup> came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
<sup class="versenum">29 </sup>“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.<sup class="footnote" value='[e (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24703e)]'>[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24703e)]</sup> <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’<sup class="footnote" value='[f (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24704f)]'>[f (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24704f)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24704U))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">31 </sup>The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’<sup class="footnote" value='[g (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24705g)]'>[g (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24705g)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24705V))'></sup> There is no commandment greater than these.”

<sup class="versenum">32 </sup>“Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24706W))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">33 </sup>To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24707X))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">34 </sup>When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24708Y))'></sup> And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions."

You, are also not far from the kingdom of God. When I saw your post, the spirit grabed hold of me, filled me with a brotherly love for you and compelled me to send this to you.

muscogee
06-18-2012, 21:53
Are you saying that God's Grace only worth.....91 point?

1 + 3 + 5 + 91 = 100 points

OK. Now, let's get serious: I know this is suppose to be a funny story. However, it could mislead some people. You see: God's Grace alone will get you to Heaven. Anything else worths.....nothing....0 point. That's right. ZERO point.

Here is the proof from the Bible:

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast" Ephesian 2:8-9

So one can behave any way one wants and still get into Heaven? I know a lot of folks believe that way. It's the only way they could live their lives the way they do and still have fantasies about going to heaven. Of course, it's contrary to scripture, but they're not going to let the scriptures they don't like get in their way.

muscogee
06-18-2012, 21:56
Will there be hookers and beer? If so I am repentant.

No, you're going to sing and play a harp for eternity.

Kingarthurhk
06-18-2012, 22:00
No, you're going to sing and play a harp for eternity.

Where on earth did you get that concept? It is these stereotypes about what is and is not that turns people off. I could see why. If I were only permited to sit on a cloud and strum a harp forever, that would be an unpleasant concept. However, living on a perfected planet, building my own home, planting my own vineyard, communing with friends and family and my savior while exploring all the mysteries of a limitless Universe is much more appealing.

So, the cloud harp business is simply nonsense.

Vic Hays
06-18-2012, 22:05
So one can behave any way one wants and still get into Heaven? I know a lot of folks believe that way. It's the only way they could live their lives the way they do and still have fantasies about going to heaven. Of course, it's contrary to scripture, but they're not going to let the scriptures they don't like get in their way.

Actually guys you can't get in on grace alone.

That is called cheap grace.

Jesus paid the price for us to be born again. It is only by God's grace that we can be born again.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

For those not convinced that grace is not all that is required read it again. Grace, yes but through faith. That faith is from God also so it is not our works.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

GreenDrake
06-19-2012, 06:31
I don't believe in God(s), the afterlife and, by proxy, heaven and hell. But hypothetically, if I am wrong and have to stand before the man after I die, my argument would be this:

I should be permitted in to heaven because I have lived a good life. I have devoted myself to helping others and emphasized fairness, even when it was not in my own best interest. I have treated others as I would want to be treated. And I have done these things because they are the right thing to do, not because I am seeking to be rewarded (get in to heaven), or to avoid punishment (to stay out of hell). That I have done these things without believing in a metaphysical carrot and stick makes them that much more genuine.


I like this, Walt. The contradiction and arrogance of organized religions along with the outright "live on your knees" dogma is pointless. Be good, live with purpose and do the right thing.

English
06-19-2012, 06:54
There is a little book of cartoons called Memoirs of a Jewish Madame and it starts with one with her saying,"Youv'e got it, you sell it. and youv'e still got it. This is a buisiness?" It must be much the same with Heaven. Heaven is supposed to be infinitely large and souls are supposed to be infinitely small, so why should God care? He looses nothing by letting another one in.

English

Kingarthurhk
06-19-2012, 07:07
There is a little book of cartoons called Memoirs of a Jewish Madame and it starts with one with her saying,"Youv'e got it, you sell it. and youv'e still got it. This is a buisiness?" It must be much the same with Heaven. Heaven is supposed to be infinitely large and souls are supposed to be infinitely small, so why should God care? He looses nothing by letting another one in.

English

Nahum 1:9, "Whatever they plot against the LORD he will bring to an end; trouble will not come a second time."

This means that the reason some are lost is because sin will not be allowed to rise a second time and put us through what the human race has endured these thousands of years.

You are right to point out that God is compassionate, and he doesn't want anyone to be lost.

John 3:16-21, "For God so loved <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137V))'></sup> the world that he gave <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137W))'></sup> his one and only Son, <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137X))'></sup> that whoever believes <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137Y))'></sup> in him shall not perish but have eternal life. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26137Z))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>For God did not send his Son into the world <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26138AA))'></sup> to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26138AB))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Whoever believes in him is not condemned, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26139AC))'></sup> but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26139AD))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>This is the verdict: Light <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26140AE))'></sup> has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26140AF))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26141AG))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God."

Heaven is offered to all who are willing to accept a relationship with Jesus.

Vic Hays
06-19-2012, 09:00
There is a little book of cartoons called Memoirs of a Jewish Madame and it starts with one with her saying,"Youv'e got it, you sell it. and youv'e still got it. This is a buisiness?" It must be much the same with Heaven. Heaven is supposed to be infinitely large and souls are supposed to be infinitely small, so why should God care? He looses nothing by letting another one in.

English

It is actually easier to get into heaven than trying to persuade God to let us in. Peter was preaching the Gospel and told us how easy it is. Jesus made the sacrifice for us.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
10:35 But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him.

Tilley
06-19-2012, 18:57
How much of your time do you waste on this silly stuff?


....

Tell the truth Smackie...didn't you try to sing the words to the music when you read that? :woohoo:

Tilley
06-19-2012, 19:04
I believe in God's faithfulness. Even though I know right from wrong, I still tend to go the wrong way. The guilt can overwhelm me and I feel unworthy. Being a child of God is no walk in the park.

If God can love a jerk like me, perhaps there will always be hope for Smackie, Woofie and the rest.

The zombies here on RI's have it easy...for now anyway.

Kingarthurhk
06-19-2012, 19:47
I believe in God's faithfulness. Even though I know right from wrong, I still tend to go the wrong way. The guilt can overwhelm me and I feel unworthy. Being a child of God is no walk in the park.

If God can love a jerk like me, perhaps there will always be hope for Smackie, Woofie and the rest.

The zombies here on RI's have it easy...for now anyway.

I understand how you feel. I am here for moral support if you need it.:wavey:

NMG26
06-19-2012, 20:37
What it comes down to, is you can't earn heaven. The penalty for sin is death, we've all earned that. Jesus took that death for us. It is through a faith relationship that we are saved, not upon our own meritorious works.

I have no doubt by your statement that you are a sincere and thoughtful person. It is why I stopped and was compelled to write this to you.

I have no doubt that you have done very good works. I commend you for your attitude in wanting to follow the Royal Law of Christ without even knowing it.


You, are also not far from the kingdom of God. When I saw your post, the spirit grabed hold of me, filled me with a brotherly love for you and compelled me to send this to you.

You are very close to actually entering the kingdom of heaven. Once you drop your dogma about there only being one way, you will be free to enter in this present moment. If you get this present moment down with God, you will not have to worry about a future with God. The same God that accepts you now, will accept you in the future.

janice6
06-19-2012, 20:56
Not an issue. He probably will not.

Vic Hays
06-21-2012, 07:47
God is not seeking to see how many people He can reject. God is looking for how many people He can include.

Luke 14:17 And sent his servant at supper-time, to say to them that were invited, Come, for all things are now ready.
14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said to him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
14:19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
14:20 And another said, I have married a wife: and therefore I cannot come.
14:21 So that servant came, and showed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry, said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

JAS104
06-21-2012, 18:38
Not an issue. He probably will not.

!! Janice !!


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JAS104
06-21-2012, 18:39
God is not seeking to see how many people He can reject. God is looking for how many people He can include.

Luke 14:17 And sent his servant at supper-time, to say to them that were invited, Come, for all things are now ready.
14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said to him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
14:19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
14:20 And another said, I have married a wife: and therefore I cannot come.
14:21 So that servant came, and showed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry, said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

Nicely done, Vic.


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NMG26
06-21-2012, 18:42
Not an issue. He probably will not.

If the kingdom of heaven is from within, then you don't need to worry that you will be excluded. It is in every one of us.

Vic Hays
06-22-2012, 11:02
If the kingdom of heaven is from within, then you don't need to worry that you will be excluded. It is in every one of us.

The kingdom of heaven is from heaven, not within. If the kingdom of heaven be within you it is because you are in harmony with God.

Matthew 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Green_Manelishi
06-22-2012, 11:10
No, you're going to sing and play a harp for eternity.

Even if that were so, which it isn't, it beats the alternative.

NMG26
06-22-2012, 17:10
The kingdom of heaven is from heaven, not within. If the kingdom of heaven be within you it is because you are in harmony with God.


It helps to know where to look Vic.

I agree that it is being in harmony with God.

For some it takes Jesus. For those who grow out of having to have a human sacrifice in order to know God, the way is still within.

Not all can follow the archaic answers in the Bible, but they find heaven within just the same. They are not excluded.