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GAFinch
06-14-2012, 18:22
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/14/al-awlaki-used-dozens-email-accounts-to-reach-followers-including-hasan/

stevelyn
06-14-2012, 20:09
And there's people who argue it was wrong to whack Al-Awlaki with a missile. :steamed:

As far as I'm concerned Al-Awlaki was, and Hasan is an enemy combatant rather than a criminal, undeserving of utilizing our legal system to determine his guilt and should be taken forthwith to the small arms range at Ft. Hood and used as a 100m pop-up target.

Gunnut 45/454
06-14-2012, 22:28
stevelyn
Yep to bad that lady cop didn't serve him the justice he deserved! He should have been the last patient treated.:faint:

JFrame
06-15-2012, 05:44
How does a random and isolated act of "workplace violence" merit mention on the Political Forum? :dunno:










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Cavalry Doc
06-15-2012, 05:51
Too bad they aren't taking volunteers to push the plunger on Hassan, I checked, it's an assigned task. It is taking way to long to finish this trial. I understand that all the I's have to be dotted and T's crossed, but we are at over 2.5 yrs on this one. They had multiple eye witnesses, and the proverbial smoking gun.

Fred Hansen
06-15-2012, 09:08
Too bad they aren't taking volunteers to push the plunger on Hassan, I checked, it's an assigned task. It is taking way to long to finish this trial. I understand that all the I's have to be dotted and T's crossed, but we are at over 2.5 yrs on this one. They had multiple eye witnesses, and the proverbial smoking gun.I can't understand why he wasn't shot--DRT--when he gave his little death-to-the-infidels PowerPoint presentation at Walter Reed.

The Army knew what Mosque he attended, knew the radical animals with whom he sympathized AND corresponded; AND that he was actively colluding with affirmed enemies of America to indeed kill infidels.

Wouldn't logic dictate that we take political correctness to its logical--though intrinsically absurd--conclusion, and send Hasan et al. to the "paradise" they seek?

If we are serious about empowering the wretchedly oppressed, should not termination with extreme prejudice in the name of furthering the wonderful, indeed kalidoscopically grand, celebration of a culturally diverse search for true martyrdom be the order of the day? How dare we repress their most precious desire, when we can so easily grant it by the giga-ton? Inshallah.

Bruce H
06-15-2012, 14:22
The dude needs dragged through a field of cholla, soaked in lemon juice, rolled in sugar, and staked out in a field of fire ants. Upon surviving hang the miserable killer.

GAFinch
06-15-2012, 14:37
How does a random and isolated act of "workplace violence" merit mention on the Political Forum? :dunno:










:whistling:

Yep, that's why someone at Fox decided to do this investigation...to prove that Eric Holder declared this "workplace violence" not out of convenient ignorance, but despite proof of direct ties to Al Awlaki and Al Qaeda by the main branch of his DOJ, the FBI.

Fox is airing a special on this tonight (Friday) at 10pm ET.

Rick305
06-15-2012, 15:39
And there's people who argue it was wrong to whack Al-Awlaki with a missile. :steamed:

As far as I'm concerned Al-Awlaki was, and Hasan is an enemy combatant rather than a criminal, undeserving of utilizing our legal system to determine his guilt and should be taken forthwith to the small arms range at Ft. Hood and used as a 100m pop-up target.

It shocks me how people think we should have "picked him up" in a nice helicopter , put him in a cell -- feed him , and give him housing the rest of his life along with a fair trial !

Get outta here , he's dead -- as he should be. Nice shot drone !


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Rick305
06-15-2012, 15:43
I can't understand why he wasn't shot--DRT--when he gave his little death-to-the-infidels PowerPoint presentation at Walter Reed.

The Army knew what Mosque he attended, knew the radical animals with whom he sympathized AND corresponded; AND that he was actively colluding with affirmed enemies of America to indeed kill infidels.

Wouldn't logic dictate that we take political correctness to its logical--though intrinsically absurd--conclusion, and send Hasan et al. to the "paradise" they seek?

If we are serious about empowering the wretchedly oppressed, should not termination with extreme prejudice in the name of furthering the wonderful, indeed kalidoscopically grand, celebration of a culturally diverse search for true martyrdom be the order of the day? How dare we repress their most precious desire, when we can so easily grant it by the giga-ton? Inshallah.

Fred , politics aside -- the FBI/CIA/GOV. do not tell us everything they know. They may have not had "legal" proof of him being linked to the acts committed when he was in the US , and/or they may have been monitoring him for valuable information.

He's dead -- and where he belongs.


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JFrame
06-15-2012, 15:55
Yep, that's why someone at Fox decided to do this investigation...to prove that Eric Holder declared this "workplace violence" not out of convenient ignorance, but despite proof of direct ties to Al Awlaki and Al Qaeda by the main branch of his DOJ, the FBI.

Fox is airing a special on this tonight (Friday) at 10pm ET.


Thanks -- will have to DVR that program! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good3.gif


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Cavalry Doc
06-15-2012, 17:29
I can't understand why he wasn't shot--DRT--when he gave his little death-to-the-infidels PowerPoint presentation at Walter Reed.

The Army knew what Mosque he attended, knew the radical animals with whom he sympathized AND corresponded; AND that he was actively colluding with affirmed enemies of America to indeed kill infidels.

Wouldn't logic dictate that we take political correctness to its logical--though intrinsically absurd--conclusion, and send Hasan et al. to the "paradise" they seek?

If we are serious about empowering the wretchedly oppressed, should not termination with extreme prejudice in the name of furthering the wonderful, indeed kalidoscopically grand, celebration of a culturally diverse search for true martyrdom be the order of the day? How dare we repress their most precious desire, when we can so easily grant it by the giga-ton? Inshallah.



Yep, Major failure on the Army's part. The Army was never meant to be a socially conscious and politically correct model of tolerance. It is a totalitarian society designed to protect a republic, and it's two main missions are to kill people and break things.

Back in the 80's, if you had been caught corresponding with an East German (not technically our enemies), you would have lost your security clearance and been on the next thing smoking toward your home of record with your "other than honorable" discharge.

Now this. :dunno:

Cavalry Doc
06-15-2012, 17:40
The dude needs dragged through a field of cholla, soaked in lemon juice, rolled in sugar, and staked out in a field of fire ants. Upon surviving hang the miserable killer.

Put him in a field of feral hogs, and there is nothing left to hang.

Bruce H
06-15-2012, 17:57
Put him in a field of feral hogs, and there is nothing left to hang.

He is a muslim Doc, that would be racist.:whistling:

Cavalry Doc
06-15-2012, 18:23
He is a muslim Doc, that would be racist.:whistling:

That would be worth watching with a little popcorn from a blind with NVG's.



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TactiCool
06-15-2012, 22:55
And there's people who argue it was wrong to whack Al-Awlaki with a missile. :steamed:

As far as I'm concerned Al-Awlaki was, and Hasan is an enemy combatant rather than a criminal, undeserving of utilizing our legal system to determine his guilt and should be taken forthwith to the small arms range at Ft. Hood and used as a 100m pop-up target.

He was still an American citizen, possessing the same Constitutional protections as you or I, not that I am in any way trying to justify his actions. They should have at least held a trial in absentia before carrying out the strike. But really though, it is a matter of principle, and Obama violated the Constitution. That is what upsets me.

Also, how do feel about Obama ordering the death of al-Awlaki's 16 year old son, who was also an American citizen? Was that justified as well?

Fred Hansen
06-16-2012, 04:41
Fred , politics aside -- the FBI/CIA/GOV. do not tell us everything they know. They may have not had "legal" proof of him being linked to the acts committed when he was in the US , and/or they may have been monitoring him for valuable information.

He's dead -- and where he belongs.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDHasan isn't dead.

Ruble Noon
06-16-2012, 06:06
He was still an American citizen, possessing the same Constitutional protections as you or I, not that I am in any way trying to justify his actions. They should have at least held a trial in absentia before carrying out the strike. But really though, it is a matter of principle, and Obama violated the Constitution. That is what upsets me.

Also, how do feel about Obama ordering the death of al-Awlaki's 16 year old son, who was also an American citizen? Was that justified as well?

I agree. The people that are cheering Awlaki's demise are focusing on the man and not the mechanization's that were put in place to allow this to happen. With giving the president the ultimate power of deciding life or death over American citizens with no judicial review of his decision we have crossed a bridge and burned it behind us. The only way to go now is FORWARD.

Cavalry Doc
06-16-2012, 06:23
He was still an American citizen, possessing the same Constitutional protections as you or I, not that I am in any way trying to justify his actions. They should have at least held a trial in absentia before carrying out the strike. But really though, it is a matter of principle, and Obama violated the Constitution. That is what upsets me.

Also, how do feel about Obama ordering the death of al-Awlaki's 16 year old son, who was also an American citizen? Was that justified as well?

You don't fight a war with the US court system. He was a combatant, in a foreign land, and he was handled as one. If he had been in the states, fine, issue the warrant and arrest him.

Pick your side carefully in this war.

Ruble Noon
06-16-2012, 07:01
You don't fight a war with the US court system. He was a combatant, in a foreign land, and he was handled as one. If he had been in the states, fine, issue the warrant and arrest him.

Pick your side carefully in this war.

Indeed, especially since the NDAA deems the U.S. to be a combat zone.

Cavalry Doc
06-16-2012, 07:08
Indeed, especially since the NDAA deems the U.S. to be a combat zone.

I'd like to see all the jihadists killed or captured, and all innocents completely unmolested.

Ruble Noon
06-16-2012, 08:17
I'd like to see all the jihadists killed or captured, and all innocents completely unmolested.

Be careful what you wish for, our government has labeled you, I, and pretty much everyone on this board as a potential jihadist.

Cavalry Doc
06-16-2012, 08:22
Be careful what you wish for, our government has labeled you, I, and pretty much everyone on this board as a potential jihadist.

I'm very comfortable with that wish.

Ruble Noon
06-16-2012, 09:54
I'm very comfortable with that wish.

History is resplendent with peoples that thought the same way.

Cavalry Doc
06-16-2012, 10:15
History is resplendent with peoples that thought the same way.

And just what makes you think I have any reason at all to worry about being named an agnostic jihadist. My anxiety meter is pegged at zero for that particular problem. Maybe it's a concern for you, but I'm thinking that's a personal problem. If we meet up as detainees at Gitmo together, I'll be sure to acknowledge my error.

Jerry
06-16-2012, 10:31
Put him in a field of feral hogs, and there is nothing left to hang.

If they eat pork the don't get their 72 virgins. Do they still get them if "EATEN" by pork? :rofl:

Cavalry Doc
06-16-2012, 10:43
If they eat pork the don't get their 72 virgins. Do they still get them if "EATEN" by pork? :rofl:

Interesting question. Guess since we need data.....

countrygun
06-16-2012, 10:51
Interesting question. Guess since we need data.....


Great idea.

Doc, you've got the pigs.

Jerry round up some of the "other" subjects

I'll get a Ouija board.

Inquiring minds want to know!

TactiCool
06-16-2012, 14:25
You don't fight a war with the US court system. He was a combatant, in a foreign land, and he was handled as one. If he had been in the states, fine, issue the warrant and arrest him.

Pick your side carefully in this war.

At the time al-Awlaki was killed, Yemen was not designated as a battlefield and he was, under the law, a U.S. citizen, not a combatant.

Also, if you read through the suit that al-Awlaki's father made against Obama, and the subsequent decision, the court basically ruled that the killing of American citizens by the President is non-justiciable, which basically gives Obama the go-ahead to kill citizens with impunity. This also applies to YOU as well.

http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/2010-12-7-AulaqivObama-Decision.pdf

And don't forget what Thomas Jefferson said about this either:

"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own."

Cavalry Doc
06-16-2012, 14:50
At the time al-Awlaki was killed, Yemen was not designated as a battlefield and he was, under the law, a U.S. citizen, not a combatant.

Also, if you read through the suit that al-Awlaki's father made against Obama, and the subsequent decision, the court basically ruled that the killing of American citizens by the President is non-justiciable, which basically gives Obama the go-ahead to kill citizens with impunity. This also applies to YOU as well.

http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/2010-12-7-AulaqivObama-Decision.pdf

And don't forget what Thomas Jefferson said about this either:

"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own."

Hmmm. One of the ribbons I have is for participating in the GLOBAL War On Terror.

When they get it wrong, I'll bark and cry out with you, but they got it right this time. I'm not too concerned about technicalities like that when it's time to kill people that are our enemy.

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http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/sympathymeter.jpg

I'd have pushed the button to launch that missile myself if they would have let me know about it ahead of time. I am very happy he is dead. Now we just need to stick a needle in his buddy, and for the most part, I'll be happy.

Ruble Noon
06-16-2012, 22:13
And just what makes you think I have any reason at all to worry about being named an agnostic jihadist. My anxiety meter is pegged at zero for that particular problem. Maybe it's a concern for you, but I'm thinking that's a personal problem. If we meet up as detainees at Gitmo together, I'll be sure to acknowledge my error.

You're right, nothing to worry about. It's not like the NSA is building a massive new center to scan and store all of your electronic communications or that a fusion center near you is collecting data on you or that they have labeled everybody that isn't a socialist democrat as a terrorist or that congress passed a law called the NDAA that allows for indefinite detention of American citizens without due process or that they have given the president of the United States the authority to have American citizens assassinated with no review of his decision to do so. Do you really trust Barack Hussein, I love the smell of Islam in the morning, Obama with this power? Weren't you the one chastising another forum member about the dangers of Islam in another thread?

Cavalry Doc
06-17-2012, 06:04
You're right, nothing to worry about. It's not like the NSA is building a massive new center to scan and store all of your electronic communications or that a fusion center near you is collecting data on you or that they have labeled everybody that isn't a socialist democrat as a terrorist or that congress passed a law called the NDAA that allows for indefinite detention of American citizens without due process or that they have given the president of the United States the authority to have American citizens assassinated with no review of his decision to do so. Do you really trust Barack Hussein, I love the smell of Islam in the morning, Obama with this power? Weren't you the one chastising another forum member about the dangers of Islam in another thread?

Again, what makes you think that I have anything to worry about. All of the things you mentioned are tools. They can be used for good or evil. It's just not something I lose a lot a sleep over. I do not personally have the power to change the situation, so why waste a lot of emotional energy wringing my hands and gnashing my teeth? What would it change? I did a personal risk assessment, and found that I don't have much to worry about. If I am ever assassinated, incarcerated in the camps, or otherwise inconvenienced by these tools, I promise to post about it, and accept your "I told you so". Personal risk, and national risk are two different things. My personal risk for being involved in an Islamic Jihad incident has been a little higher than that in the past. I've been to Southwest Asia three times, the first time I had ever heard the name Osama Bin Laden, was in Kosovo when his organization was recruiting Albanian Muslims to attack us after we gave them their homeland back, and I was on Fort Hood on 5Nov09. I've been shot at by things you aren't allowed to own, even with a class III license, so the personal risk assessment is low, but not as low as my own government coming after me.

What is it you are doing that you are afraid you will be discovered doing? Ever hear of the sardine defense? When you are one of 350million sardines, what are the odds you will be chosen for special attention? There is another old saying when involved in dangerous activities, "Try to look unimportant, the enemy may be low on ammo".

Be good.