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rtl
06-16-2012, 11:49
never owned one before, but am getting the bug i guess. was hoping to stay as cheap as possible, and it seems in that price range the Norinco is a standout, but looking for advice in the matter.

Brucev
06-16-2012, 11:56
Currently the best low cost 1911 on the market is the Rock Island Armory 1911. I've seen them new for $407 plus tax in my local area. You can get a tactical model for about $469 plus tax. Very well made pistol.

MD357
06-16-2012, 13:44
Norincos are built with better parts, and steel than any of your low cost phillipino 1911s. This doesn't mean those respective guns are crap, it just means that the Norincos were just that good of a deal.

glock2740
06-16-2012, 13:57
A Norinco was my first 1911 and look where that got me. :rofl: They're gonna be harder to find than a RIA, but they're a better gun. Both are great starter 1911's. But a good gunsmith will upgrade your Norinco, where as a lot of smiffs won't touch a RIA.

deadite
06-16-2012, 15:09
I've had a Norinco, and while they are a solid 1911, they really aren't in the same league as a Metro Arms, which I think is right up you ally.

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Jason D
06-16-2012, 16:54
Personally I wouldn't consider any cheap gun other than a Springfield.

R0CKETMAN
06-16-2012, 18:08
Norincos are baddass. They always remind me of the dude that did the disassembly video. He offed himself a year or two ago. One funny MF

I want one too

HexHead
06-16-2012, 18:30
Good luck finding a Norinco.

bac1023
06-16-2012, 19:34
Norincos are about the best value for the money in low cost 1911s.

As mentioned above, they are built from better quality materials than the Filipino 1911s.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2287.jpg

DarkShooter
06-16-2012, 19:37
Havent seen one in years.


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PlasticGuy
06-16-2012, 19:58
I have had two Norinco 1911's, and both were excellent. Nothing against RIA, but the Norinco is made of far better materials and the fit and finish is similar. The problems is finding one in this country. I still see a nice used one show up in a shop occasionally, but it's not like you can just go to the store and order one.

bac1023
06-16-2012, 20:17
Good luck finding a Norinco.

You'll never find one just waiting for it to pop into your local shop.

That's what Gunbroker is for. Take your pick.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291228512

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291937197

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291939131

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=292040428

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291969363

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291698294

FFR Spyder GT
06-16-2012, 20:24
I have a Norinco. I bought it in '92 and I wish I would have bought several of them.

It's bone stock except for a 2-piece guide rod and 18.5lb recoil spring. I replaced the barrel bushing awhile back too.

I shot it last week and it averaged 3.5" groups at 20yds using my reloads and Tula steel cased stuff.

JaPes
06-16-2012, 20:55
Will a Ruger SR1911 fit the "introductory" role?

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/suba-saab/Ruger%20SR1911/SR1911-1-1.jpg

I was also looking for an introductory priced 1911. Because I feel that owning a 1911 is a firearms enthusiast moral imperative, I needed just one. I'm not an 1911 aficionado, so I read BAC's 1911 buying guide.

I wanted just one decent 1911 that wouldn't break the bank, made in the U.S.A., and backed by a reputable manufacturer. The SR1911 fit the bill.

deadite
06-16-2012, 21:19
Norincos are about the best value for the money in low cost 1911s.

As mentioned above, they are built from better quality materials than the Filipino 1911s.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2287.jpg

Agree, but while the Norinco has better materials, I'm betting the Filipino guns are more refined judging from the few I've handled... I really liked mine, but it was very rough.

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ETNSHOOTER
06-16-2012, 21:31
How about a Para GI Expert? Never handled one but have heard they are a great value.
just my two cents.
Dave

Snaps
06-16-2012, 21:47
rock island makes good guns, great for the price point.

bac1023
06-17-2012, 05:19
How about a Para GI Expert? Never handled one but have heard they are a great value.
just my two cents.
Dave
I'd put the GI Expert below the Filipino 1911s in terms of quality.

bac1023
06-17-2012, 05:19
Agree, but while the Norinco has better materials, I'm betting the Filipino guns are more refined judging from the few I've handled... I really liked mine, but it was very rough.

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Yeah, they aren't overly refined, Matt.

deadite
06-17-2012, 05:58
Yeah, they aren't overly refined, Matt.

They are really great values. The only reason I sold mine was because I was upgrading to another 1911...kinda wish that I held onto it.

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bac1023
06-17-2012, 11:01
They are really great values. The only reason I sold mine was because I was upgrading to another 1911...kinda wish that I held onto it.

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I sold some guns in the past that I regret as well. :sad:

Liebestraum
06-18-2012, 08:26
How about a Para GI Expert? Never handled one but have heard they are a great value.
just my two cents.
Dave

I have one. Its been a nice gun, and I like it, but I would recommend a Springer or Ruger over it any day. Same price range, but you will see better quality. Also, the grips that come with the Para are plastic and terrible. Mine was cheap as free, so I can't complain too hard.

MrMurphy
06-18-2012, 11:15
I went with a Springfield Milspec.

Known quantity and still in production.

The Ruger wouldn't be bad. Haven't handled one, but even Ruger can't screw up a hundred year old design that bad.

Bren
06-18-2012, 12:15
never owned one before, but am getting the bug i guess. was hoping to stay as cheap as possible, and it seems in that price range the Norinco is a standout, but looking for advice in the matter.

Spend more money for something better. Buy used, to get the most gun for the $. There is no good reason to buy a crappy Chinses gun over an American one, so it will come in a "new gun" box. I hate Ruger, but I'd take it over a Norinco in half a second.

Moose73
06-18-2012, 18:37
Rock Island Armory for sure.

Streetking
06-18-2012, 20:36
I wouldn't. STI makes a inexpensive one and I love my Ruger SR1911 and Springfield Mil Spec. They both shoot great.

rtl
06-30-2012, 15:27
follow up.......i picked up a NIB unfired Norinco off gunbroker. the price was pretty high ($662 all told), but i really like it. there's not a blemish on it, it has both mags and the accessories. The plastic grips were replaced with 60's era GI wood grips and the original sear was replace with a new one from Wilson Combat, but the originals were included too, as were two additional new mags. it's a shame to fire it, but pretty sure i will :)

NCWalrus
06-30-2012, 15:49
Will a Ruger SR1911 fit the "introductory" role?

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/suba-saab/Ruger%20SR1911/SR1911-1-1.jpg

I was also looking for an introductory priced 1911. Because I feel that owning a 1911 is a firearms enthusiast moral imperative, I needed just one. I'm not an 1911 aficionado, so I read BAC's 1911 buying guide.

I wanted just one decent 1911 that wouldn't break the bank, made in the U.S.A., and backed by a reputable manufacturer. The SR1911 fit the bill.

Exactly what JaPes said

deermasher
06-30-2012, 19:55
i bought my RIA tactical for $419.00 plus tax....not a bad gun for the money

Rancho_Nirvana
06-30-2012, 20:36
I will defer to BAC1023 as he is far more knowledgeable than I am...however, that being said...

Having owned and carried 1911's for 25 years, I have a recommendation for you.

Whatever you do, do not purchase a "low cost" 1911...

Save your money, hang in there a little longer, and get yourself a 1911 that's worth owning.

There are few things as fine as a well made 1911, on the other hand, there are few things as disappointing as owning a cheap one.

I have owned Les Baers, Nighthawk Customs, Kimbers, and several others, and they were all great pistols, but at the end of the day what I still own are an Ed Brown Kobra (http://www.edbrown.com/customhandguns.htm), and a Bill Wilson Carry. (http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-bill-wilson-carry.asp)

The few I compromised on and bought that were lesser quality were frustrating and unsatisfying, but the rest have given me many, many hours of enjoyment, and a rock solid confidence in the design.

I hope you will heed my advice, it would behoove you to.

Best wishes with your new addiction...I mean, your interest in 1911's... ;-)

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Oh, looks like I am too late, well, good luck with the Norinco.

1BAD-LS1
06-30-2012, 21:31
I have several norinco's,here is a couple

doc540
06-30-2012, 21:49
RIA

(and I just traded for a Norinco yesterday, but sold it this evening....if the deal falls thru I'll give you a shout, OP)

Reconinforce
06-30-2012, 22:08
From another perspective about waiting for a better quality model.. I did not have a ton of cash and only one other handgun but was able to find a great deal on a GI model RIA. I totally love it and it has performed perfectly for me. Shoots great, no ftf or other issues. Just a solid great looking gun (opinion) and if not for the low price I probably would have never been able to get the 1911 experience. To me it was this... get a good deal on a RIA after watching/reading a lot of positive reviews or just not get a chance to own/fire something so sweet as a 1911. I knew that I could always sell it and upgrade later but I am glad I took the opportunity and gave it a chance. When I got into glocks I traded off my XDM before my 1911 RIA if that tells you how much I love this gun. :)

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u263/gunner-8/100_3106.jpg

MD357
06-30-2012, 22:21
RIAs are OK but Norincos are made with better steel and better small parts.

Topher01
07-01-2012, 00:08
Actually the steel used by Norinco is sourced from the philipppines yet RIA chooses to use a different material.

Heres my 1911 build from a Norinco base:

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x356/topher45/b181e676.jpg

MikeG36
07-01-2012, 00:35
I agree with the others on Norinco - if you can find one for a good price.

Baba Louie
07-01-2012, 06:29
follow up.......i picked up a NIB unfired Norinco off gunbrokerkudos rtl. Enjoy shooting it. Mine is pretty darned accurate. Range report once you get her dialed in?