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maxsnafu
06-17-2012, 12:46
http://www.vdare.com/posts/mittens-muffs-immigration-on-talk-shows-grssroots-reaction-now-critical

sbhaven
06-17-2012, 13:07
Not surprised. As I said in another thread, this is the problem the GOP has with illegal immigration. No coherent packaged response to the issue when questioned by a progressive/liberal person. They don't want to rock the boat with something that might be unpopular to one voting block or another.

aircarver
06-17-2012, 13:22
The current situation is unpopular with their 'base' ..... :frown:

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maxsnafu
06-17-2012, 16:15
The current situation is unpopular with their 'base' ..... :frown:

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They're not concerned about their base.

JBnTX
06-17-2012, 16:33
Romney knows the illegals are going to eventually be given amnesty, and he knows the republican base is against amnesty.

His head must be spinning.:rofl:

CitizenOfDreams
06-17-2012, 16:42
They're not concerned about their base.

Then how are they going to get the votes? (They are planning to win the elections, right? Right? Please tell me they are.)

The Machinist
06-17-2012, 17:15
Then how are they going to get the votes? (They are planning to win the elections, right? Right? Please tell me they are.)
Look at all the Romneybot Kool-Aid drinkers here. Their votes are his, no matter what. With such a captive audience, you can focus on acting like a liberal, hoping to garner more liberal votes.

Cavalry Doc
06-17-2012, 17:44
Look at all the Romneybot Kool-Aid drinkers here. Their votes are his, no matter what. With such a captive audience, you can focus on acting like a liberal, hoping to garner more liberal votes.

It's a Liberal vs a Socialist. There is a potential spoiler play from a LIBertarian, but that has yet to materialize.

We have some time left to decide.

But if today were election day. And Ron was off licking his wounds or after he gave an impassioned and heartfelt endorsement of Romney..... really doesn't matter which.....


If it were only the liberal and the socialist running, you can vote for one, or the other, or neither.

It will all be very interesting to watch. :popcorn:

certifiedfunds
06-17-2012, 18:16
It's a Liberal vs a Socialist. There is a potential spoiler play from a LIBertarian, but that has yet to materialize.

We have some time left to decide.

But if today were election day. And Ron was off licking his wounds or after he gave an impassioned and heartfelt endorsement of Romney..... really doesn't matter which.....


If it were only the liberal and the socialist running, you can vote for one, or the other, or neither.

It will all be very interesting to watch. :popcorn:

Voting the lesser evil is what has gotten us to the point of the "liberal vs socialist".

Cavalry Doc
06-17-2012, 18:28
Voting the lesser evil is what has gotten us to the point of the "liberal vs socialist".

Now, consider that neither is evil. Both want what is best for the country, but have different ideas about how to bring that about.

Who then do each one of us choose.


I strongly believe, that what has gotten us to this point, is an incremental invasion of procedures from liberals that brought us to our current nomination process. Why on EARTH would we nominate our candidates based on the votes of states in THE SAME ORDER AS THE LIBERALS.???????

It's madness. The order the states currently have their primary's and caucuses is specifically designed to nominate the MOST LIBERAL candidate for each party.

I see three possible solutions.
1. A single day nationwide Republican Primary.
2. Reverse the current order that the states go in.
3. Allow the 10 largest red states to go first.


It's not the election where the battle is won, it's the nomination process. Fix that, and we will all be better off.

snerd
06-17-2012, 18:37
Now, consider that neither is evil. Both want what is best for the country, but have different ideas about how to bring that about.......
I firmly believe that the liberal progressives want only what is best for themselves and those close to them. The republican party of today isn't far behind them.

I don't have any answers.

The Machinist
06-17-2012, 18:38
Now, consider that neither is evil.
I don't agree with that at all. The system that these two guys are a part of leads to one very predictable and inescapable conclusion: The end of the American way of life as we know it. When the largest, most indebted government in history finally collapses under its own weight, tens of millions will suffer for it. Neither of these men has any desire to see it play out any differently, and that's what makes them evil. Whoever is sworn in next January will work tirelessly to create a worse future for all of us.

certifiedfunds
06-17-2012, 19:27
Now, consider that neither is evil. Both want what is best for the country, but have different ideas about how to bring that about.

Who then do each one of us choose.


I strongly believe, that what has gotten us to this point, is an incremental invasion of procedures from liberals that brought us to our current nomination process. Why on EARTH would we nominate our candidates based on the votes of states in THE SAME ORDER AS THE LIBERALS.???????

It's madness. The order the states currently have their primary's and caucuses is specifically designed to nominate the MOST LIBERAL candidate for each party.

I see three possible solutions.
1. A single day nationwide Republican Primary.
2. Reverse the current order that the states go in.
3. Allow the 10 largest red states to go first.


It's not the election where the battle is won, it's the nomination process. Fix that, and we will all be better off.

It'll never happen. Why? The process works perfectly. The Republican party leadership gets the candidate they want every 4 years.

aircarver
06-17-2012, 19:33
It'll never happen. Why? The process works perfectly. The Republican party leadership gets the candidate they want every 4 years.

Well, maybe with enough tea party infiltration .....

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LASTRESORT20
06-17-2012, 19:48
Berry "Blew" badly it for the last 3 Plus years....Yet the desperate lemmings continue to point fingers....and not admit that.....Maybe to get the attention off their chosen one who is The screw up `in office`?:)

certifiedfunds
06-17-2012, 20:30
Well, maybe with enough tea party infiltration .....

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Then my question is this: Where have they been?

The Tea Party isn't comprised of new humans. I have to assume the vast majority weren't voting democratic until a few years ago. I have to assume these people have been in the Republican mix for the last several election cycles.

This isn't new.

QNman
06-17-2012, 21:25
It'll never happen. Why? The process works perfectly. The Republican party leadership gets the candidate they want every 4 years.

Then why have they done away with party bosses selecting the candidates?

I'm with Doc. Fix the broken process. I like #3, personally.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
06-17-2012, 23:33
Not really sure what he blew. I haven't watched that show since Herbert Hoover, but my guess is that he was smooth as silk. The good governor will need to throw a bone to Johnny Punchclock every now and then, but being consistently smooth will gain him a lot of lobbyist dollars.

Immigration hasn't been much of a topic since--well, maybe since Hoover. America's big business does not really concern itself with the mundane trivialities of its riff raff. As long as the masses will be entertained by Sunday morning cartoons, we can be assured of our big government security, cable television, and home delivered pizza.

CitizenOfDreams
06-18-2012, 00:09
It's not the election where the battle is won, it's the nomination process. Fix that, and we will all be better off.

Stalin once said, "It does not matter who votes, or how. What matters is who counts the votes".

Seems like he was wrong. What really matters is who puts names on the ballot. And I have yet to figure out who does that in this country.

Cavalry Doc
06-18-2012, 04:39
It'll never happen. Why? The process works perfectly. The Republican party leadership gets the candidate they want every 4 years.

Never say never. Anything is possible. Maybe with Palin as RNC chair.

eracer
06-18-2012, 05:28
Voting the lesser evil is what has gotten us to the point of the "liberal vs socialist".Exactly.

Cavalry Doc
06-18-2012, 05:34
Exactly.

OK, let's assume you are correct. How did we get to the point that only the "lesser of two evils" were the only remaining choices.

What process occurred that eliminated all the others that were better? How do we change THAT? Because maybe if we do, we will have a better choice next time.

walt cowan
06-18-2012, 05:35
with anyone but, obama...and some here beliving mitts a shoe in...why keep kissing the butts of illegals for a few more votes? :whistling:

eracer
06-18-2012, 06:20
OK, let's assume you are correct. How did we get to the point that only the "lesser of two evils" were the only remaining choices.

What process occurred that eliminated all the others that were better? How do we change THAT? Because maybe if we do, we will have a better choice next time.I hate to say, but it may be a lost cause, Doc. Americans are, by and large, so conditioned to believe in the twin towers of consumerism and the illusion of representative government, that any attempt to break free from the shackles of political conformity is met with blank stares and (even worse) reactionary mockery.

The very idea of personal liberty, personal responsibility, and small government seems like a surreal fantasy (or nightmare) to most people - at least those who bother to even to consider them as options.

The middle-class continues to bask in the warm glow of sound bite punditry from their favorite mouthpieces on opposing 'News' networks, desperately hoping that the collapse they know is coming really won't happen to them.

The disenfranchised poor cling to the belief that someone will save them, and the few who, by birthright, hard work, or sheer savagery have amassed vast wealth continue to control the puppet strings of the avatars we elect each time we are fooled into believing we have a choice.

When will we really have a choice? Probably not in my lifetime, and really, it doesn't matter anyway. Once information became the new currency, it's not the thieves in the night raiding the cookie jar we need to worry about, but the vampires who knock on our doors and get invited in.

Cavalry Doc
06-18-2012, 06:27
Don't you think that is a bit over dramatized?

It's just an election. You still get to vote.

eracer
06-18-2012, 06:41
Don't you think that is a bit over dramatized?

It's just an election. You still get to vote.No, I don't think it's over-dramatized.

Vote for who? Tell you what. I'm going to write in Ted Nugent.:supergrin:

maxsnafu
06-18-2012, 07:34
I don't agree with that at all. The system that these two guys are a part of leads to one very predictable and inescapable conclusion: The end of the American way of life as we know it. When the largest, most indebted government in history finally collapses under its own weight, tens of millions will suffer for it. Neither of these men has any desire to see it play out any differently, and that's what makes them evil. Whoever is sworn in next January will work tirelessly to create a worse future for all of us.

^^^...and that's the optimistic scenario.^^^

zeke501
06-18-2012, 13:38
Now, consider that neither is evil. Both want what is best for the country, but have different ideas about how to bring that about.

Who then do each one of us choose.


I strongly believe, that what has gotten us to this point, is an incremental invasion of procedures from liberals that brought us to our current nomination process. Why on EARTH would we nominate our candidates based on the votes of states in THE SAME ORDER AS THE LIBERALS.???????

It's madness. The order the states currently have their primary's and caucuses is specifically designed to nominate the MOST LIBERAL candidate for each party.

I see three possible solutions.
1. A single day nationwide Republican Primary.
2. Reverse the current order that the states go in.
3. Allow the 10 largest red states to go first.


It's not the election where the battle is won, it's the nomination process. Fix that, and we will all be better off.

Exactly right! If they had started in the south this would never had happened!!! It is the same o same o every election cycle, lets try changing it around some time and see how it changes then!!!

Cavalry Doc
06-18-2012, 14:08
No, I don't think it's over-dramatized.

Vote for who? Tell you what. I'm going to write in Ted Nugent.:supergrin:

That's the cool thing about voting, you can vote for whoever you want to vote for.

GLOCK17DB9
06-18-2012, 16:09
He's just calculating his response time!