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mac66
06-18-2012, 12:26
You may have seen my garage sale thread on the general firearms forum. I bought a H&R 12 ga Topper for $17 over the weekend, but it was missing the butt stock.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/105_9440.jpg

Kind of got me thinking about what to do with it and I started looking around on the internet for ideas. Never really thought about it before but I was frankly kind of surprised how versatile a single shot shot gun can be. It is small and light and of course, cheap! In 12 ga it "covers everything from bunnies to bears" as one guy put it.

My dad had a single 12 ga when I was growing up. It was called "Nitro King" which was a store brand. I do not have fond memories of that gun. It was handed to me along with some slugs when I was 14 as my first deer hunting gun. It was brutal to shoot.

One guy on Youtube (link is on my other thread) made his into a modern trade gun. It is his go to wilderness survival gun. He uses it for everything including muzzle loading it. Pretty interesting from the fact that it is all he really needs.

I ran across a guy who bought chamber inserts for his. He has a 12 to 20ga, a 20 to .410/.45LC, a 410 to 22lr. He nests them all together and can shoot any of the above in his 12. Not to mention there are inserts for most handgun and many rifle calibers as well that would fit into the mix.

Here's what I found.

http://www.mcace.com/shotguninserts.htm
http://www.shotgunadapter.com/
http://store.dinaarms.com/12_GA_Adapters_s/1.htm
http://www.gunadapters.com/categories/Shotgun-Adapters/12-gauge/
http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/Shotgun_Adapters.html

My search revealed that ATI makes a tactical AR type stock and forearm for these guns. If you want to go even more tacticool they have a vented heat shield and a muzzle break (plastic).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/185522_ts.jpg

Choate makes a survival stock with storage in both the butt stock and forearm for the single shots. You can even buy pistol grips for them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/869991.jpg

So the question is what to do with it. Tacticool it out? Make it into a survival special? Keep it simple and use it as a truck/trunk gun. Maybe just stash it away with an ammo can full of a variety of 12 ga shot and slugs? Maybe pack it away with a variety of chamber inserts for the end of civilization. :whistling:

shotgunred
06-18-2012, 15:33
You may have seen my garage sale thread on the general firearms forum. I bought a H&R 12 ga Topper for $17 over the weekend, but it was missing the butt stock.

I ran across a guy who bought chamber inserts for his. He has a 12 to 20ga, a 20 to .410/.45LC, a 410 to 22lr. He nests them all together and can shoot any of the above in his 12. Not to mention there are inserts for most handgun and many rifle calibers as well that would fit into the mix.
:whistling:

Do some research on chamber inserts before you waste your money on them. They may make it were you can fire a bullet but your barrel is to large and will not be able to stabilize it. You would be lucky if you could hit the broad side of a barn much less a person or game from 50 or further.

mac66
06-18-2012, 15:43
Do some research on chamber inserts before you waste your money on them. They may make it were you can fire a bullet but your barrel is to large and will not be able to stabilize it. You would be lucky if you could hit the broad side of a barn much less a person or game from 50 or further.

I was just throwing out ideas to see what people thought or what their experience is. Apparently single shot shotguns are not well thought of or used here.

I have looked into chamber inserts and am aware of their limitations.

HAMMERHEAD
06-18-2012, 16:31
Love the Toppers/Handis.
NEF will fit new shotgun barrels and possibly some pistol calibers on your frame for a resonable fee, but you have to send the gun in.

Mine is a .410/30-30/357, love it. Mine is the old style with ejectors instead of extractors.

DoctaGlockta
06-18-2012, 16:55
I have toyed with the idea of getting a couple of 12g NEG single shots. Good post and thanks for the reminder.

Lt Scott 14
06-18-2012, 17:03
Every farmer in my area has one or two single shot shotguns. Most are stock, some went plastic stock/forearm, and all are very dependable.
There are cooler tactical accessories, but do you need the expense vs the standard buttstock? Those are great trunk guns(write down the s/n, and keep it somewhere in case of theft!) I have the Survivor stock and it's cool, but the storage compartment isn't a lot of space to put stuff. To each his own on the looks dept.

quake
06-18-2012, 17:16
Love the Toppers/Handis...
+1 Mine are rifle rather than shotgun, but a very versatile platform imo.

And with some creative - yet legal - modifications, can make a seriously fun & seriously stealthy little carbine. :cool:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/LE/HRw-abraxas-edited.jpg

TactiCool
06-18-2012, 17:32
Just sayin'...:whistling:

50 BMG from a 12 Gauge Shotgun - YouTube

DoctaGlockta
06-18-2012, 17:36
Just sayin'...:whistling:

50 BMG from a 12 Gauge Shotgun - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZaK7D4XVo8)

Those guys are great slayers of sacred cows and nay sayers.

Ruble Noon
06-18-2012, 20:33
You may have seen my garage sale thread on the general firearms forum. I bought a H&R 12 ga Topper for $17 over the weekend, but it was missing the butt stock.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/105_9440.jpg

Kind of got me thinking about what to do with it and I started looking around on the internet for ideas. Never really thought about it before but I was frankly kind of surprised how versatile a single shot shot gun can be. It is small and light and of course, cheap! In 12 ga it "covers everything from bunnies to bears" as one guy put it.

My dad had a single 12 ga when I was growing up. It was called "Nitro King" which was a store brand. I do not have fond memories of that gun. It was handed to me along with some slugs when I was 14 as my first deer hunting gun. It was brutal to shoot.

One guy on Youtube (link is on my other thread) made his into a modern trade gun. It is his go to wilderness survival gun. He uses it for everything including muzzle loading it. Pretty interesting from the fact that it is all he really needs.

I ran across a guy who bought chamber inserts for his. He has a 12 to 20ga, a 20 to .410/.45LC, a 410 to 22lr. He nests them all together and can shoot any of the above in his 12. Not to mention there are inserts for most handgun and many rifle calibers as well that would fit into the mix.

Here's what I found.

http://www.mcace.com/shotguninserts.htm
http://www.shotgunadapter.com/
http://store.dinaarms.com/12_GA_Adapters_s/1.htm
http://www.gunadapters.com/categories/Shotgun-Adapters/12-gauge/
http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/Shotgun_Adapters.html

My search revealed that ATI makes a tactical AR type stock and forearm for these guns. If you want to go even more tacticool they have a vented heat shield and a muzzle break (plastic).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/185522_ts.jpg

Choate makes a survival stock with storage in both the butt stock and forearm for the single shots. You can even buy pistol grips for them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/869991.jpg

So the question is what to do with it. Tacticool it out? Make it into a survival special? Keep it simple and use it as a truck/trunk gun. Maybe just stash it away with an ammo can full of a variety of 12 ga shot and slugs? Maybe pack it away with a variety of chamber inserts for the end of civilization. :whistling:

Put a stock on it and whack the barrel off at 18".

Aceman
06-18-2012, 21:03
Cool gun - let us see how it ends up.

Pistol grip and sawed wayyyyyy off (like stamp way off)
regular stock and 18"
tac't out
or just a stock and as is...

As long as you aren't gun fighting, or don't miss the bear at too close range....

12g IMO is one of the highest utility weapons period with the right ammo. And single break is pretty freaking indestructible/reliable. Reliable is good.

AK_Stick
06-18-2012, 21:12
Depending upon the stock, those single shots can be punishing.


I have a M-37 in 20 gauge, and its absolutely un-kind to shoot. I would much rather shoot full house 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge rounds out of a pump gun than 2 3/4 inch 20 out of it.

M1A Shooter
06-18-2012, 21:12
i have long wanted to cut a rifle down to minimum legal length and then break it in half for a pack rifle. shotgun wouldnt be bad either.

DJ Niner
06-19-2012, 01:08
Put a stock on it and whack the barrel off at 18".This.

A couple of friends and I did this for truck/trunk guns back in the 80s/early 90s. We'd buy the guns at garage sales or from a local gun dealer for $30-$50, shorten them to 18.25", and put a skinny ammo can in the vehicle with an assortment of shells for it. Many a day I'd leave work, head out of town a mile or two, grab the shorty and a shell vest, and bust a few birds on the way home. If you try some steel shot loads, you'll probably find something that will still throw a Modified pattern out of the sawed-off cylinder-bore barrel.

TangoFoxtrot
06-19-2012, 04:23
Quote: My search revealed that ATI makes a tactical AR type stock and forearm for these guns. If you want to go even more tacticool they have a vented heat shield and a muzzle break (plastic).

Why bother? Its not worth the expense for a single shot SG.IMHO

ChuteTheMall
06-19-2012, 04:46
I'd prefer a double barrel in every situation.

OO

mac66
06-19-2012, 06:48
I tend toward keeping things cheap and simple. I mean $17 for the shotgun, maybe another $20-30 for a stock and I am not into it very much. Makes a cheap beater, stash away at the cabin gun.

Maybe put sling studs on it to attach a sling at some point. Maybe cut it down and keep it on my ATV when I am out and about on my hunting property. I kind of like the idea of making it look like an old time Indian trade gun, but probably won't fool with it.

On the other hand I could just sell it and make a few bucks off of it.

Texas357
06-19-2012, 07:13
Any time I find a used Stevens under $100, I take it.

Single shot guns are simple, and effective. They may not be tacticool/hogh capacity, but they'll hit as hard as anything else.

Take a look at Rossi Wizard. Keep in minsd, every extra caliber means extra barrel, extra weight.

shotgunred
06-19-2012, 15:42
I was just throwing out ideas to see what people thought or what their experience is. Apparently single shot shotguns are not well thought of or used here.

I have looked into chamber inserts and am aware of their limitations.

I have a buddy that hunts with one. He holds extra shells between his left hand fingers. He is fast enough were if you just heard the shots you would swear he was using a pump. I have hunted rabbits for years with a single shot 410.

For what you payed for it I certainly would have been all over it.

Bushflyr
06-19-2012, 16:05
Stay away from ATI stocks. They are absolute garbage. Like was pointed out above, whack the barrel, put a Choate stock on it and done.

A friend of mine uses a Handi rifle in 45-70 with a turned down pencil barrel for his do everything hunting rifle. At under 6lbs it's punishing to shoot, but an absolute dream to carry in the mountains. And he only shoots about 6 rounds a year out of it.

Syclone538
06-19-2012, 18:35
Anything cheap and reliable, and expecially that you already have ammo for, is a great gun to hand to someone in need that you trust.

Kentucky Shooter
06-19-2012, 18:42
I was just throwing out ideas to see what people thought or what their experience is. Apparently single shot shotguns are not well thought of or used here.

I have looked into chamber inserts and am aware of their limitations.

I like the H&R and NEF single shots. I grew up on an H&R single shot and i see your $17 buy as a steal.


I would be intrigued at the thought of what type of stock to put on your gun. I would probably opt for traditional, but some of the tactical versions you show look neat as well. I would probably search ebay or similar site for a good used stock and keep it simple as possible.

prism
06-19-2012, 18:50
go with the choate storage-survival stock. and then make a new thread about what you put in it.

gunowner1
06-19-2012, 19:11
Funny after reading this I realized I have my Grandfathers' H&R single shot 16 gauge in the back of my closet. Someone replaced the hinge pin with a bolt they must of had in their garage.I'll have to get it out and take a look at it tomorrow.

RWBlue
06-19-2012, 20:11
I have in my possession a 12ga single shot that my grandfather used. As I understand it, this gun is well over 100 years old. It was used in the depression to put meat on the table. I see no reason to change it. I should pack an ammo can with ammo and leave this gun where it could be needed.

I should get some sub conversions. That way I can shoot 20ga and 410.

Ruble Noon
06-19-2012, 20:21
I have a buddy that hunts with one. He holds extra shells between his left hand fingers. He is fast enough were if you just heard the shots you would swear he was using a pump. I have hunted rabbits for years with a single shot 410.

For what you payed for it I certainly would have been all over it.

Yep, I can shoot blue rock doubles pretty consistently with my single shot Savage by doing just as your friend does. I've done most of my bird hunting with this gun and didn't even own a pump until a few years ago.

Woofie
06-19-2012, 20:22
My first gun was a 410 single shot. My dad still has it. I've also got a single shot Ithaca .22 rifle from my grandfather.

Stevekozak
06-19-2012, 20:35
I love single shot shotguns. I think they can be some of the nicest looking guns out there, and probably one of he most useful and versatile. I would like to run into some deals like yours. I could get a buttstock for it, or, as far as that goes, make one for it. The hardest part of making them is drilling the hole throught the stock straight.

shotgunred
06-20-2012, 16:24
Just sayin'...:whistling:

50 BMG from a 12 Gauge Shotgun - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZaK7D4XVo8)

Those guys are great slayers of sacred cows and nay sayers.
Making it go bang is one thing. Put a target out a 150 foot and then hit the target.

JDSTG58
06-20-2012, 16:49
........

auto-5
06-20-2012, 18:17
It is better than no shotgun. So that is something I guess.

B.Reid
06-21-2012, 11:19
I would contact the manufacturer and get the wood stock.

RMTactical
06-30-2012, 13:22
let us know what you end up doing with it. $17 is a great price for any gun that would function and many that wouldn't.

mac66
07-02-2012, 12:35
Still looking for a butt stock. I prefer wood. The people on ebay seem to be very proud of their stocks. Prices are stupid.

If anyone knows of one, please let me know. I don't care of the condition as long as it isn't cracked or broken and has the bolt with it. Not going to pay over $20 for one though.

Ruble Noon
07-02-2012, 14:15
Still looking for a butt stock. I prefer wood. The people on ebay seem to be very proud of their stocks. Prices are stupid.

If anyone knows of one, please let me know. I don't care of the condition as long as it isn't cracked or broken and has the bolt with it. Not going to pay over $20 for one though.

Here's one for $25

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=293995045

Haldor
07-03-2012, 08:55
Put a stock on it and whack the barrel off at 18".

Make sure the overall length is at at least 26" also. I would make both the barrel is >= 18.5" and the overall length is >= 26.5" to avoid the risk of slightly being under the legal limit.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8.pdf

Randy Weaver's (Ruby Ridge) legal problems were related to a shotgun he sold to an ATF information that supposedly < 26" long (the barrel length was fine).

mac66
07-03-2012, 17:56
Make sure the overall length is at at least 26" also. I would make both the barrel is >= 18.5" and the overall length is >= 26.5" to avoid the risk of slightly being under the legal limit.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8.pdf

Randy Weaver's (Ruby Ridge) legal problems were related to a shotgun he sold to an ATF information that supposedly < 26" long (the barrel length was fine).

Let's not bring him into this, ok?

Haldor
07-04-2012, 14:22
Let's not bring him into this, ok?

OK, I won't.

RichJ
07-04-2012, 16:22
Take it to a police buy-back and get $100 for it. :supergrin:

mac66
07-05-2012, 15:41
Take it to a police buy-back and get $100 for it. :supergrin:

Not a bad idea actually......

On the other hand, I really don't want to see a perfectly good shotgun get melted down.

Seeing the prices people want for old wood stocks (I'm old and can remember when stuff like that was cheap) I might just go for a Choate Survival stock. I can get one and the forearm for around $50 which would put my entire investment at $67.

RMTactical
07-05-2012, 16:15
Not a bad idea actually......

On the other hand, I really don't want to see a perfectly good shotgun get melted down.

Seeing the prices people want for old wood stocks (I'm old and can remember when stuff like that was cheap) I might just go for a Choate Survival stock. I can get one and the forearm for around $50 which would put my entire investment at $67.

Not a bad idea. Let us know what you end up doing.

collim1
07-05-2012, 17:29
I like break action shotguns, they have some advantages. They are about 6" shorter than semis and pumps of the same barrel length.

However, a double is much more versatile. You can carry a different load in each barrel and have two different choke choices.

mrdann
07-05-2012, 17:35
I break action shotguns, they have some advantages. They are about 6" shorter than semis and pumps of the same barrel length.

However, a double is much more versatile. You can carry a different load in each barrel and have two different choke choices.

Not for $67

Stevekozak
07-05-2012, 18:51
Not a bad idea actually......

On the other hand, I really don't want to see a perfectly good shotgun get melted down.

Seeing the prices people want for old wood stocks (I'm old and can remember when stuff like that was cheap) I might just go for a Choate Survival stock. I can get one and the forearm for around $50 which would put my entire investment at $67.
If you have any woodworking skills, why not make a stock?

mac66
07-06-2012, 18:33
If you have any woodworking skills, why not make a stock?

Yeah, I thought of that. I could do it really don't have the right tools and I would loose interest in it.

I think what I will do it simply order the choate stock and then keep my eyes open for a cheap wood one. That way I can use the shotgun and then return it to original condition when I want to. Don't think I will lose money on the Choate.

snowbird
07-13-2012, 18:22
I like break action shotguns, they have some advantages. They are about 6" shorter than semis and pumps of the same barrel length.

However, a double is much more versatile. You can carry a different load in each barrel and have two different choke choices.

I currently have a fantasy about a Bond Arms derringer that can handle 410 shells, Colt 45, is break action, and quite short.

RWBlue
07-13-2012, 19:21
I currently have a fantasy about a Bond Arms derringer that can handle 410 shells, Colt 45, is break action, and quite short.

I have an American Derringer in 45/410. I do not recommend it. It hurts when I shoot it.

It should make a good snake gun while berry picking.
It might make a good gun for shooting someone across a poker table.
It has drawn blood





(on another shooter).:shocked:
I have a 45LC to 22LR conversion, so I could use it for a trapping gun.

quake
07-14-2012, 08:42
...I do not recommend it. It hurts when I shoot it.

It should make a good snake gun while berry picking...
Might consider compromising somewhat; using CCI's .45LC shot loads as something of an 'in between' option.

RWBlue
07-14-2012, 09:23
Might consider compromising somewhat; using CCI's .45LC shot loads as something of an 'in between' option.

I considered that, but honestly if I "need" to shoot this gun at a snake, I want the the full 410 load of shot. I am not really fond of snakes and where I was going had rattlers.

mac66
07-14-2012, 11:19
in addition to the H&R i bought (still no stock) I have one of those Snake Charmer 410 shotguns. Not sure what it is good for but I bought it cheap back in the day to play with. It is pretty well made and kind of fun to shoot one handed.

This thread also reminds me that I also have one of those cheap single shot 45lc/410 pistols made by Cobray. That thing is a total piece of junk.