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leeward419
06-20-2012, 04:40
Hi,
I Am thinking about the sig p238. I have handled both the 232 and 238; I love the small size and robust construction of the 238,not much bigger heavier or wider than my Ruger LCP. I would likely carry in an inside the waistband holster.I like the feel of the 232 also, beautiful "classic" looking pistol, but not as small or as light as the 238.
The 238 being a newer model, had some function issues at its introduction.The 232 being around much longer appears not to have any issues. Is the 238 reliable in its current production? Either would work for holster carry, I like the smaller one, but dont want to sacrifice reliability. My fall winter CCW is a G32, or a Springfield Armory 1911. I had a G27 which was more concealable than either the G32 or 1911 but are to big for work in the summer.( I work in an office in an urban environment) I need a highly concealable gun, so I can carry year round, every day w/o any one knowing I am carrying. The LCP fills the bill, but it is lightly built, and the "sights" are wanting. I practice incessantly so I want a robust gun, and accept the added weight.

This would be my first SIG, long time Glock owner/enthusiast/die hard fan, please dont tell Gaston
thanks for any info and guidance here

.45MoonClip
06-20-2012, 10:03
I've never owned a p232, but I recently found a p238 at a gunshow and it followed me home. I like double action only pistols for defensive carry, but the little Sig just attracted me. Mine was used but of recent vintage, built in October of2011. It seems to handle any and all ammo that I've fed through it. It can be carried in an inside the waist band or pocket holster without much drama. It's most entertaining feature is shootability. It is just a fun little pistol and my second .380. My other is a Ruger LCP. The P238 model I have is the HDW.
Best of luck in your quest.

bac1023
06-21-2012, 20:45
I'm not a huge fan of the P238, but I think the P232 is one of the highest quality, best looking pistols Sig ever built.

dsa1115
06-21-2012, 23:08
I own a P230, the predecessor to the P232. The P232 might be larger and certainly not a pocket pistol, but it's much more accurate than any P238. IMO, the P230/232 is the finest .380 available. The only negative is the location of the magazine release.

Wetrudgeon
06-23-2012, 05:29
For inside the waistband carry, either the 232 or 238 should be OK, but if you ever consider pocket carry you will likely prefer the 238. Our 238 rides conveniently in a pocket but we think the 232 is too large for that.

We trudge on.

leeward419
06-23-2012, 06:24
Thanks for the input guys,
It is tough to make a decision,
Problem is they are both great pistols.
I am leaning towards the 238; but will still want the 232.
Going shopping today to see if I can find a shop with both in stock for
side by side comparison.
thank You again!

FTjoe
06-23-2012, 08:01
i've shot both a friend's P230 and a range gun P238. the P230 hurt my trigger everytime i pulled the trigger. not sure what happening between the trigger and my finger, but it didn't feel right. however, it did feel great in my hand and no other pistol has come close.
the P238 fired great!! it was smooth and small, but fit my hand. not as great as the P230, but it didnt hurt my hand in any way. seemed to have more of a 1911 trigger pull.
if i had to pick, i'd go with the P238, but would also wait to fire a P938 to see how it compares for a 9mm round.

DonGlock26
06-23-2012, 09:54
I have the blued P232. It has never jammed. It is very accurate as well. The P232 has a full grip, which I prefer. It is very thin and in the blued version, it only weights about 16ozs.

I feel that it is a very underrated CCW. First, I feel that .380 Golddots or Hornady Critical Defense are nothing to sneeze at. I also feel that thin, light pistols equals never violating the first rule of gunfighting- having a gun ON YOUR PERSON AT ALL TIMES.

I've carried pistols on duty and off duty for 23 years. I have come to appreciate the P232's heel magazine release as an extra assurance of pistol reliability. An unseated magazine can happen over the course of a day of activity especially with a close fitting CCW holster and vehicle seating. I have had Sig and Glock mags become partially unseated over the course of the day. For a dedicated CCW pistol, I find the heel release of the P232 to be a plus.

The heavy double action pull and lack of a safety is also an advantage of the P232 over the P238-IMHO. The DA/SA trigger gives you the advantage of safety without the chance of a safety disengaging and contributing to a ND. It also eliminates the problem of a safety remaining in the on position as a person attempts to defend his life in an emergency. You may not be able to deactivate the safety, if you are surprised or physically attacked. This is another advantage of the P232.

I have used my P232 as a back-up gun, station duty gun, and off duty gun for many years. It has never failed me in any way. Would I rather have a 9mm or .40? Sure, but I don't always dress in a manner to conceal them. I have pocket carried my P232 with cargo shorts. I have an ankle holster for it, but the grip is too long to conceal completely IMHO.



I found some P230 plastic stock grips on E-Bay and put them on my P232 for maximum concealibilty. They haved worked better than expected.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DonGlock26/p232_2.jpg

In short, I find the P232 to be an excellent all-around CCW pistol. I suggest the two-toned or blue versions for lighter weight.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductList/pistols-p232.aspx

Cheers,

Don


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Cobra64
06-24-2012, 18:55
I'm not a huge fan of the P238, but I think the P232 is one of the highest quality, best looking pistols Sig ever built.



Especially with Nill grips.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/P232/P232Nill.jpg



:tongueout:

DonGlock26
06-25-2012, 20:25
Especially with Nill grips.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/P232/P232Nill.jpg



:tongueout:

The SS P232 is a sexy beast. :wow:


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AWGD8
06-25-2012, 23:06
Between the 2 , I will get the P238 HD (heavy duty) Stainless steel slide not aluminum like the rest of the P238 version.

barth
06-27-2012, 21:00
http://www.sigheadquarters.com/images/headings/p938_button-400.jpg

modestglock26
06-29-2012, 23:08
Love my new to me p232 with night sights. Have hogue g10 grips on the way.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/modestglock/guns/DSC00958.jpg

leeward419
07-03-2012, 16:13
I went and saw, The only thing keeping me from the p238 or 938 is the safety, I carry a glock, dont like mixing and matching firearms with different manual of arms, I do love the 232.I have a really hard time thinking cocked and lock is ok for pocket carry, dont get me wrong, carry a 1911 in a shoulder or IWB no problem.P232 is not a pocket gun either, due to size. I found a p232 and held it, it is very slim. Only concern was length of grip, did not realize there were shorter grip options available, now in a quandry. Ultimately when this has been the case in the past, I bought both. Cant do that right now. will have to give this more thought, thank you for the input. Problem is I love both of these pistols.

This is sounding worse than my wife and a couple of pairs of shoes.
apologies for that

CDR_Glock
07-03-2012, 19:47
I love my P238. It's accurate to 25 yards, sits well as a pocket carry and it's a pleasure to shoot.

I've shot the P232. Great gun, too. Too thick for concealment when I can carry a 45 ACP or 40 SW, instead.

ca survivor
07-04-2012, 09:38
Sig's 232s are great guns, but now days like the PPKs are too big for a .380 when you can have a 9mm in not much bigger gun.

uhlawpup
07-04-2012, 13:52
I've owned both the 230 and the 238 is now my regular carry. It is far and away the easier to carry and conceal of the two platforms. The 238 is utterly reliable, and quite accurate for its size.

Sure, the 230/232 is more accurate at distance, but self defense carry is not a target shoot. You need only be able to reliably place a round on your chosen target at distances usually encountered in self defense situations, and, if you do your practice like you should, the 238 will serve you well.

Both are great guns, but the comparison is like comparing a full-sized sedan to a two-seater sportster. Choose the platform that suits you best.

leeward419
07-14-2012, 05:56
Dilemma resolved, I bought the P238 SAS model. Found local shop with both, compared several of the 238 models side by side with 232 . Really like both, but since this will be summer carry, I went with the 238.
Thank you all for your input and photos. I am thinking I will get a p938 down the road to go with the 238. Some day, I will own a stainless 232. They are absolutely gorgeous!
I filed the ammendment paperwork and should be able to pick it up sometime next week, it usally takes a week to 10 days here.

CDR_Glock
07-14-2012, 10:40
Dilemma resolved, I bought the P238 SAS model. Found local shop with both, compared several of the 238 models side by side with 232 . Really like both, but since this will be summer carry, I went with the 238.
Thank you all for your input and photos. I am thinking I will get a p938 down the road to go with the 238. Some day, I will own a stainless 232. They are absolutely gorgeous!
I filed the ammendment paperwork and should be able to pick it up sometime next week, it usally takes a week to 10 days here.

Excellent choice.

Some times we must "bite the bullet" and just buy them all.

Enjoy your gun.

leeward419
07-16-2012, 20:44
Yep, good advice!
Love Sigs

modestglock26
07-18-2012, 15:23
Congrats! You're gonna love it. The SS p230/p232 is probably the sexiest gun there is. So down the road, you'll just have to buy one.

RottnJP
07-19-2012, 22:32
How do you carry IWB? I found that with a good IWB holster, Theis or Minotaur, and the right placement, I had no trouble carrying my Glock "22.5" (23 frame, 22 slide) for years in the corporate environment. (Dockers & button-downs being the standard uniform)

And, if you want to keep it thinned than a double-stack, you could go with a little 1911, I would think, just as easily as the Sig 238 and you wouldn't have a 3rd gun to learn.

Just a thought.

leeward419
07-24-2012, 05:41
How do you carry IWB? I found that with a good IWB holster, Theis or Minotaur, and the right placement, I had no trouble carrying my Glock "22.5" (23 frame, 22 slide) for years in the corporate environment. (Dockers & button-downs being the standard uniform)

And, if you want to keep it thinned than a double-stack, you could go with a little 1911, I would think, just as easily as the Sig 238 and you wouldn't have a 3rd gun to learn.

Just a thought.

I looked up the holster, looks nice, they dont make one yet for the p238, but may get on efor my g32

Okay got the 238 home and was putting it in the safe, noticed the front night sight doesnt work, called the dealer back, they started the you need to call sig for this....really disappointed with the dealer...am calling sig today

leeward419
07-27-2012, 10:28
quick update,
Sig is shipping me a new front sight and the dealer is installing it.
Issue resolved!
On to the P232, maybe after thanks giving.......

leeward419
08-13-2012, 16:46
Update, The p238 shoots great and has been 100% reliable with Hornady Critical Defense. It does not like magtech ammo. I loaded some 95grn LRN with 2.8 grains of bullseye and it shoots to POA/POI, both are the same out to 25 yards. Surprised all to heck when I was routinely hitting what I was aiming at at 25 yards. 15 yards all in the 9/10 ring on the large b18 targets rapid fire. No failures to feed eject etc. Have to pay attention to proper grip. Could not be happier. All in all a beautiful pistol.

Rally Vincent
09-01-2012, 22:48
Geez, just seen this.
230-232 hands down.

silversport
09-02-2012, 05:43
my 1986 P230 for all the reasons DonGlock26 mentioned above...mine is a blue'd lightweight that has been electroless nickeled from the same place SiG used for their factory ones...Klein Plating in Erie, PA (a long time ago...sadly they no longer offer this service)...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b72/silversport1/MyP230.jpg

Bill

DonGlock26
09-03-2012, 15:13
my 1986 P230 for all the reasons DonGlock26 mentioned above...mine is a blue'd lightweight that has been electroless nickeled from the same place SiG used for their factory ones...Klein Plating in Erie, PA (a long time ago...sadly they no longer offer this service)...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b72/silversport1/MyP230.jpg

Bill

That is a sharp P230.

silversport
09-04-2012, 04:12
thank you sir...

Bill

bac1023
09-27-2012, 09:16
Especially with Nill grips.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/P232/P232Nill.jpg



:tongueout:
:rofl:

It definitely looks much better with Nills, Mark. :cool:

leeward419
10-21-2012, 10:29
Update, after 150 rounds recoil lock spring broke. New spring, provided by SIG customer service, another 50 rounds slide locks open mid magazine. Cleaned, made sure wasnt limp wristing,another 30 rounds, same thing, single shot pistol, cleaned, shot left handed to make certain wasnt inadvertenly hiting slide lock, same thing, singe shot pistol.
Noticed slide lock backs out as shooting, sometimes allowing slide lock spring to come out. definetly not right.
Its on its way back to the factory.
To date beautiful pistol, accurate, but reliability has been questioned. Will see what they find out at the factory.
KUDOS to SIG for very polite friendly and great support throughout this to date.
WIll update as develops, information may be helpful for anyone considering this pistol. Still want the P232, although not pocket carriable, proven reliability. We will see how this goes.

DonGlock26
10-31-2012, 08:33
Update, after 150 rounds recoil lock spring broke. New spring, provided by SIG customer service, another 50 rounds slide locks open mid magazine. Cleaned, made sure wasnt limp wristing,another 30 rounds, same thing, single shot pistol, cleaned, shot left handed to make certain wasnt inadvertenly hiting slide lock, same thing, singe shot pistol.
Noticed slide lock backs out as shooting, sometimes allowing slide lock spring to come out. definetly not right.
Its on its way back to the factory.
To date beautiful pistol, accurate, but reliability has been questioned. Will see what they find out at the factory.
KUDOS to SIG for very polite friendly and great support throughout this to date.
WIll update as develops, information may be helpful for anyone considering this pistol. Still want the P232, although not pocket carriable, proven reliability. We will see how this goes.

In my experience, the smaller the auto, the bigger the problems. I've had my P232 for years with no problems.

gale155
11-18-2012, 07:38
Update, after 150 rounds recoil lock spring broke. New spring, provided by SIG customer service, another 50 rounds slide locks open mid magazine. Cleaned, made sure wasnt limp wristing,another 30 rounds, same thing, single shot pistol, cleaned, shot left handed to make certain wasnt inadvertenly hiting slide lock, same thing, singe shot pistol.
Noticed slide lock backs out as shooting, sometimes allowing slide lock spring to come out. definetly not right.
Its on its way back to the factory.
To date beautiful pistol, accurate, but reliability has been questioned. Will see what they find out at the factory.
KUDOS to SIG for very polite friendly and great support throughout this to date.
WIll update as develops, information may be helpful for anyone considering this pistol. Still want the P232, although not pocket carriable, proven reliability. We will see how this goes.

This is somewhat surprising to me. After 30-years as a cop and 5-years in armed private security, there are only two firearms I trust (and expect) to function flawlessly out-of-the box...Glock and Sig.

I've been wanting a P232 for a while now, but I'm going to have to wait till the wife cools down...just bought a new G4 26 yesterday. :supergrin:

leeward419
11-19-2012, 04:03
Update,
SIG customer service is excellent, sent me shipping label, sent back,they said 2 weeks, got it back repaired in one. Pistol functions correctly. The slide lock spring had broke, gun shop put in new one, but did not set correctly (must have to really push in to get to lay flat, as new one gun shop put did not lay flat, allowing slide lock to walk out as it is fired) Sig installed spring lays flat, shot a box or 2 of various assorted ammo, no problems.
If I had to do it again,I would buy the 232. Looking for one locally, they had them in stock this summer, now its months to wait on order. Congrats on the G426. How do you like it, will you be doing a review?

leeward419
11-14-2013, 17:27
Update, 238 has been flawless since new spring andjust ordered a 232!

BLau
12-06-2013, 18:47
My winter carry setup:

http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj516/BLau1976/20131123_090337_zpsbabd34fa.jpg

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Ohub Campfire mobile app

leeward419
12-14-2013, 15:54
My New p232 just came in, did the paper work for amendment should be able to pick up in a few days!

DonGlock26
12-14-2013, 15:56
My winter carry setup:

http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj516/BLau1976/20131123_090337_zpsbabd34fa.jpg

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Ohub Campfire mobile app


Nice, what's the name of that holster?

BLau
12-14-2013, 15:57
Nice, what's the name of that holster?

Garrett Industries STX 2.0.

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leeward419
02-02-2014, 07:36
Update in the 238 vs. 232 dilemma. I now own both. The 232 is the most ergonomic handgun I have ever shot. It is superbly accurate and carries much smaller than its actual size. I simply love this pistol. I have a Glock in every caliber from 9mm to 357Sig, 40 and 10mm. I really wanted a good shooting 380. Will probably get a G42. But I must say the 232 hands down is THE pistol to own if you want a GREAT 380.

I cannot get over how well this pistol shoots, how well it fits my hand and how accurate and well made it is.

The 238 is easier to conceal due to its size, but it is as small a pistol that I can effectively handle. If you IWB with a decent holster, size isn't realty the issue, shootability is, hence the 232.

OMEGA5
02-02-2014, 09:30
Update in the 238 vs. 232 dilemma. I now own both. The 232 is the most ergonomic handgun I have ever shot. It is superbly accurate and carries much smaller than its actual size. I simply love this pistol. I have a Glock in every caliber from 9mm to 357Sig, 40 and 10mm. I really wanted a good shooting 380. Will probably get a G42. But I must say the 232 hands down is THE pistol to own if you want a GREAT 380.

I cannot get over how well this pistol shoots, how well it fits my hand and how accurate and well made it is.

The 238 is easier to conceal due to its size, but it is as small a pistol that I can effectively handle. If you IWB with a decent holster, size isn't realty the issue, shootability is, hence the 232.

Been following this thread, waiting for this
realization to hit. :whistling: :supergrin:
Dano

leeward419
02-06-2014, 06:08
Been following this thread, waiting for this
realization to hit. :whistling: :supergrin:
Dano

LOL!,
and hit it did!

I know a lot of folks don't want a 380 but for me its a good choice. I can not think of a better pistol to CCW. I love this gun. I shoot this better than any other I own.
Now I KNOW why the guys that own the 232 rave about them!

Have a great day!

DonGlock26
03-23-2014, 08:33
LOL!,
and hit it did!

I know a lot of folks don't want a 380 but for me its a good choice. I can not think of a better pistol to CCW. I love this gun. I shoot this better than any other I own.
Now I KNOW why the guys that own the 232 rave about them!

Have a great day!

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/ViperDriver/Stuff/Burns_Excellent.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/ViperDriver/media/Stuff/Burns_Excellent.jpg.html)