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JFrame
06-20-2012, 08:08
Just breaking on Fox News -- Holder has requested Executive Privilege on the F&F documents, and evidently, Obama has granted it.


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Glock30Eric
06-20-2012, 08:15
What does it means? I don't understand this.

aircarver
06-20-2012, 08:15
What does it means? I don't understand this.

Impeachment Time !

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JFrame
06-20-2012, 08:18
What does it means? I don't understand this.


From Wiki:

"In the United States government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States), executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) and other members of the executive branch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_%28government%29) to resist certain subpoenas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena) and other interventions by the legislative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislature) and judicial branches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary) of government."

There's a lot more, but that's the gist...


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Numismatist
06-20-2012, 08:26
Clever way to hide things...of course O will claim that it's just Republicans playing politics and he's trying to stop that...

JFrame
06-20-2012, 08:38
If anyone had even the remotest inkling that the Obama administration wasn't trying to hide something -- I believe this pretty much dispels that notion.


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amazon
06-20-2012, 08:39
I thought it could only be used in relation to national security. If so, WTF does F&F have to do with national security?

Glock30Eric
06-20-2012, 08:43
From Wiki:

"In the United States government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States), executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) and other members of the executive branch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_%28government%29) to resist certain subpoenas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena) and other interventions by the legislative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislature) and judicial branches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary) of government."

There's a lot more, but that's the gist...


Wow, thank you for pulling this information in.

Impeachment Time !

Yes, and it should have done long time ago.

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I was wondering if many of Americans understand this situation? I hope so, if so, they would have screamed at Obama for this action.

Goaltender66
06-20-2012, 08:43
If anyone had even the remotest inkling that the Obama administration wasn't trying to hide something -- I believe this pretty much dispels that notion.


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Looks like the story is getting interest, but alas CNN is trying to define it as a holdover policy from the Bush administration. It actually wasn't. (http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-gunning-down-the-bush-did-it-too-lie/)

Indeed, if that claim were even close to being true, the Obama Administration would be showing Congress (and everyone who'll listen) every single document and crowing about how they fixed a Bush-era screwup. Instead we're getting nth-level stonewalling.

aircarver
06-20-2012, 08:44
I thought it could only be used in relation to national security. If so, WTF does F&F have to do with national security?
If it brings down the regime, they consider it related to 'national security' - theirs !

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Goaltender66
06-20-2012, 08:47
From Wiki:

"In the United States government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States), executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) and other members of the executive branch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_%28government%29) to resist certain subpoenas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena) and other interventions by the legislative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislature) and judicial branches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary) of government."

There's a lot more, but that's the gist...


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Also, the power is not absolute, and Courts have denied claims of EP based on an adequate showing of need. Given the stonewalling by the AG, there's plenty of need shown.

Obama just made a big error by inserting himself into this during an election year. He could have thrown Holder under the bus, but instead he stuck his nose in it and now Holder being held in contempt just became a campaign issue.

JFrame
06-20-2012, 08:49
I thought it could only be used in relation to national security. If so, WTF does F&F have to do with national security?

In the United States v. Nixon, the SCOTUS found unanimously against the president when he tried to invoke Executive Privilege in withholding certain Watergate-related tapes and documents.

From Wiki:

The Supreme Court stated: "To read the Article II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution) powers of the President as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of nonmilitary and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of 'a workable government' and gravely impair the role of the courts under Article III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Three_of_the_United_States_Constitution)."

Dang -- there's that nasty ol' Constitution again...!

But then -- Obama IS a "Constitutional scholar"... :upeyes:


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JFrame
06-20-2012, 08:50
Also, the power is not absolute, and Courts have denied claims of EP based on an adequate showing of need. Given the stonewalling by the AG, there's plenty of need shown.

Obama just made a big error by inserting himself into this during an election year. He could have thrown Holder under the bus, but instead he stuck his nose in it and now Holder being held in contempt just became a campaign issue.

Thanks, Goaltender -- I just saw your post after writing mine immediately below yours...


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kirgi08
06-20-2012, 09:03
:burn:

callihan_44
06-20-2012, 09:06
THE MOST TRANSPARENT REGIME EVER :rofl::steamed::steamed::steamed:

whoflungdo
06-20-2012, 09:10
Also, the power is not absolute, and Courts have denied claims of EP based on an adequate showing of need. Given the stonewalling by the AG, there's plenty of need shown.

Obama just made a big error by inserting himself into this during an election year. He could have thrown Holder under the bus, but instead he stuck his nose in it and now Holder being held in contempt just became a campaign issue.


Makes you wonder what Holder has on Obama. I hope he doesn't accidentally commit suicide...

Baba Louie
06-20-2012, 09:14
...now Holder being held in contempt just became a campaign issue.Only if Romney/Boehner want to make it an issue... which I doubt based on their spoken words to date. Which I find curious unto itself. Unless it's to negate or distance themselves from the earlier similar situation Bush's admin began... dunno. :dunno:

Syclone538
06-20-2012, 09:15
Makes you wonder what Holder has on Obama. I hope he doesn't accidentally commit suicide...

I was concerned for the guy they sent to Iraq last year.

JFrame
06-20-2012, 09:20
Only if Romney/Boehner want to make it an issue... which I doubt based on their spoken words to date. Which I find curious unto itself. Unless it's to negate or distance themselves from the earlier similar situation Bush's admin began... dunno. :dunno:

Regardless of the comparisons between F&F to Operation Wide Receiver -- which are tenuous at best -- the real issues now are the death of at least one law enforcement officer as a direct result of F&F, and the resulting cover-up and lying under oath.

That animal has mutated into something else entirely.


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JBnTX
06-20-2012, 09:29
Executive privilege means that Obama is eyeball deep in F and F.
No doubt Obama is behind the executive privilege request.

From here on out Holder is just running interference for Obama.

engineer151515
06-20-2012, 09:32
Has the Swamp been drained yet?

snerd
06-20-2012, 09:36
Hearings live

http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/

Syclone538
06-20-2012, 09:39
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/

PocketProtector
06-20-2012, 09:39
1oo% clarification of "Under the Radar"

sbhaven
06-20-2012, 09:40
Watching the hearing right now on CSPAN3. Its an amazing thing. Not once so far has any Democrat mentioned the name of those who died as a result of Fast/Furious.

There must be something in the documents since Holder refused yesterday to show any more documents and now Obama has personally stamped his name on this. Funny how the left flipped when Cheney asserted executive privilege yet back up Holder.

whoflungdo
06-20-2012, 09:44
I was concerned for the guy they sent to Iraq last year.

Agreed..

JFrame
06-20-2012, 09:46
Hearings live

http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/


Great -- thank you! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good3.gif


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snerd
06-20-2012, 09:48
Good lord.......... this idiot Clay said the media ran with the F&F story! WTF?

Cavalry Doc
06-20-2012, 09:49
Looks like the story is getting interest, but alas CNN is trying to define it as a holdover policy from the Bush administration. It actually wasn't. (http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-gunning-down-the-bush-did-it-too-lie/)

Indeed, if that claim were even close to being true, the Obama Administration would be showing Congress (and everyone who'll listen) every single document and crowing about how they fixed a Bush-era screwup. Instead we're getting nth-level stonewalling.

:rofl: Bush's Fault :rofl:

JFrame
06-20-2012, 09:51
Good lord.......... this idiot Clay said the media ran with the F&F story! WTF?

:rofl::rofl:

I caught that also... :whistling:

Lacy Clay predictably made a "fast & furious" attempt to run interference and cover for this corrupt administration...


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RC-RAMIE
06-20-2012, 09:53
According to Judge Napolitanao Executive Privilege Only Applies If the President Was Personally Involved.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/06/20/judge-napolitano-on-fast-and-furious-documents-executive-privilege-only-applies-if-the-president-was-personally-involved/

JFrame
06-20-2012, 09:53
Thank you, Ms. Buerkle, for giving due mention to Agent Brian Terry...


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JFrame
06-20-2012, 09:54
...And now, our own local idiot, Gerry Connolly, speaks...

(Wake me when it's over...)


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JFrame
06-20-2012, 09:55
According to Judge Napolitanao Executive Privilege Only Applies If the President Was Personally Involved.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/06/20/judge-napolitano-on-fast-and-furious-documents-executive-privilege-only-applies-if-the-president-was-personally-involved/


Well -- there ya go...Admission of complicity! :cool:


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snerd
06-20-2012, 09:55
...And now, our own local idiot, Gerry Connolly, speaks...

(Wake me when it's over...)


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What a maroon! A kangaroo court he says!! :rofl:

JFrame
06-20-2012, 09:58
Gerry Connolly: "We need to address whether gun laws on the southwest border are sufficient."

Oh, good heavens!!! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/facepalm.gif


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Goaltender66
06-20-2012, 10:00
What a maroon! A kangaroo court he says!! :rofl:

He should know, the Dems use them all the time. :whistling:

Goaltender66
06-20-2012, 10:01
Did I hear Holder cite US V. Nixon?!

DOC44
06-20-2012, 10:02
http://techblog.dallasnews.com/mob.jpg

Doc44

JFrame
06-20-2012, 10:03
Did I hear Holder cite US V. Nixon?!

That would appear to be a real double-edged sword... :shocked:


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snerd
06-20-2012, 10:03
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/AnotherHeidi/Applause.gif

snerd
06-20-2012, 10:06
Mr. Lynch........... any pursuit of justice is partisan politics. Yeah, right.

onalandline
06-20-2012, 10:08
Executive privilege just confirms the cover-up. I don't think the MSM can ignore this now. The feces will hit the fan.

snerd
06-20-2012, 10:12
It's just amazing that these dems are still invoking Bush's name! 4 years later!!

JFrame
06-20-2012, 10:22
It's just amazing that these dems are still invoking Bush's name! 4 years later!!


Yeah -- it's also turning into a platform for promoting stricter gun control laws (I guess the Dems want to get some mileage out of that, since F&F failed so miserably on its own merits...).


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Cavalry Doc
06-20-2012, 10:23
It's amazing how none of the newly converted Obama supporters around here think Barry is pro gun control with F&F so widely known.

Goaltender66
06-20-2012, 10:24
Yeah -- it's also turning into a platform for promoting stricter gun control laws (I guess the Dems want to get some mileage out of that, since F&F failed so miserably on its own merits...).


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Unless the purpose of F&F was actually to create a climate where strict gun control was politically possible.

Remember...before anyone can say F&F was a botched operation, there must be an explanation as to what it was actually supposed to accomplish. For all we know, F&F worked just as designed.

JFrame
06-20-2012, 10:33
Unless the purpose of F&F was actually to create a climate where strict gun control was politically possible.

Remember...before anyone can say F&F was a botched operation, there must be an explanation as to what it was actually supposed to accomplish. For all we know, F&F worked just as designed.

Well -- it was successful in arming the drug cartel that was in favor with the Obama administration.

Agent Terry was simply "collateral damage"... :steamed:


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Glockdude1
06-20-2012, 10:34
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/ObamaInJail.jpg

:cool:

Goaltender66
06-20-2012, 10:35
Well -- it was successful in arming the drug cartel that was in favor with the Obama administration.

Agent Terry was simply "collateral damage"... :steamed:


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With amnesty for the cartel's mules being payback....?

JFrame
06-20-2012, 10:36
With amnesty for the cartel's mules being payback....?


All right -- that just spiked my Obama-Creepy-meter... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/mother_goose/MG_102.gif


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Syclone538
06-20-2012, 10:37
Why does nobody mention Jaime Zapata?

JFrame
06-20-2012, 10:42
Congressman Peter Welch: "I don't think we need to do this TODAY...!" http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/cherna/Cherna-facepalm.gif


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happyguy
06-20-2012, 10:45
Issa is smarter than I gave him credit for. This is going to blow up in Sep/Oct/Nov just as planned.

Regards,
Happyguy

Gundude
06-20-2012, 11:13
And, once again, just about half of the population (who even follows this stuff) is outraged over the invocation of Executive Privilege, and half defends it. Of course, the ones outraged were the ones defending it last time and vice versa, but it's always half.

That is how the two-party system ensures that never more than half the people are outraged, so the government can get away with just about anything. It works for all branches, too. It only works because partisans are willing participants.

PocketProtector
06-20-2012, 11:24
With amnesty for the cartel's mules being payback....?

No No No....just the young ones.........oh yeah:faint:

JFrame
06-20-2012, 11:24
While the session is in recess, might I bring up that only one side of the aisle seems to keep bringing up the need for stricter gun control...?


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ChuteTheMall
06-20-2012, 11:27
http://i46.tinypic.com/ou8d1s.jpg

ChuteTheMall
06-20-2012, 11:29
It's amazing how none of the newly converted Obama supporters around here think Barry is pro gun control with F&F so widely known.

Because Romney did the same thing in Massassassassachusetts allowing guns in from Vermont and New Hampshire?
:tinfoil:

countrygun
06-20-2012, 11:38
It's amazing how none of the newly converted Obama supporters around here think Barry is pro gun control with F&F so widely known.


Denial, strongest, most addictive drug on the planet, and we've got the biggest pusher in the White House.

Cavalry Doc
06-20-2012, 12:17
Denial, strongest, most addictive drug on the planet, and we've got the biggest pusher in the White House.

But for the whistleblowers, Barry and Eric would have had a heck of a public affairs victory over gun owners. The only conceivable use for that would have been to push for more gun control. Never let a crisis go to waste, and in the absence if a crisis, create one.

JFrame
06-20-2012, 13:10
I've been tuning in to the Oversight live feed from time to time, and the Dems clearly got the word to invoke "Bush's Fault" at every conceivable turn...


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JFrame
06-20-2012, 13:25
Geez -- Congressman Lynch (D) wants an amendment to the proceedings calling for an accounting of the money spent on the F&F investigation for the purpose of "passing on to the voters." :upeyes:

It was pointed out to Lynch that a) accounting is not a function of a Contempt hearing; b) what is the cost of the investigation relative to the murder of Agent Terry; c) what was the cost of investigating Roger Clemens' possible juicing; d) the cost of the Watergate investigation was not relevant to the objective of the investigation.

Issa: "The family of Brian Terry deserves every penny we spent."

Issa: "I would report the cost. I would never question the cost."

Great quotes...


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jeanderson
06-20-2012, 13:26
Every news outlet in America that has any integrity should be asking the question tonight: WHAT IS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HIDING?

I am thoroughly pissed right now! :steamed::steamed::steamed:

JFrame
06-20-2012, 13:32
OMG...

Congressman Elijah Cummings is pulling the "Eric Holder has a tough job" defense... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/facepalm.gif


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Cavalry Doc
06-20-2012, 13:40
Every news outlet in America that has any integrity should be asking the question tonight: WHAT IS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HIDING?

I am thoroughly pissed right now! :steamed::steamed::steamed:

Problem is, most of them have no integrity.

happyguy
06-20-2012, 14:02
"Eric Holder has a tough job"

And obviously isn't up to it.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

JFrame
06-20-2012, 14:59
And obviously isn't up to it.

Regards,
Happyguy :)


It's time to give the guy some rest -- well away from anything of significance or consequence.


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Ruble Noon
06-20-2012, 15:11
And, once again, just about half of the population (who even follows this stuff) is outraged over the invocation of Executive Privilege, and half defends it. Of course, the ones outraged were the ones defending it last time and vice versa, but it's always half.

That is how the two-party system ensures that never more than half the people are outraged, so the government can get away with just about anything. It works for all branches, too. It only works because partisans are willing participants.

I'm perpetually outraged.

Ruble Noon
06-20-2012, 15:12
It's time to give the guy some rest -- well away from anything of significance or consequence.


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I hear GITMO is a really nice facility.

happyguy
06-20-2012, 15:39
The good news is that Obama is directly in the middle of it now. Not that I expect anything to stick but you never know.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

JFrame
06-20-2012, 15:42
I hear GITMO is a really nice facility.


< Sigh >

The irony and poetic justice of that is too sweet to contemplate...


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DOC44
06-20-2012, 20:21
I hear GITMO is a really nice facility.

Surf 's up.

Doc44

QNman
06-20-2012, 20:37
Just breaking on Fox News -- Holder has requested Executive Privilege on the F&F documents, and evidently, Obama has granted it.


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This is my "shocked" face. :yawn:

QNman
06-20-2012, 20:39
If anyone had even the remotest inkling that the Obama administration wasn't trying to hide something -- I believe this pretty much dispels that notion.


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... Except the millions of sheep, who would applaud Obama havigng a bowel movement, if someone would just report on it for them.

Hey, I may have discovered how MSNBC can boost their ratings!

QNman
06-20-2012, 20:42
THE MOST TRANSPARENT REGIME EVER :rofl::steamed::steamed::steamed:

Oh, he's transparent, alright.

JFrame
06-20-2012, 20:56
... Except the millions of sheep, who would applaud Obama havigng a bowel movement, if someone would just report on it for them.

Hey, I may have discovered how MSNBC can boost their ratings!


This would be appropriate programming for MSNBC -- their ratings are already in the crapper...

Ba-da-boom...

:music:


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QNman
06-20-2012, 21:26
This would be appropriate programming for MSNBC -- their ratings are already in the crapper...

Ba-da-boom...

:music:


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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

CitizenOfDreams
06-20-2012, 22:13
What does it means? I don't understand this.

You know what "get out of jail free" card is? Same thing.

G19G20
06-21-2012, 00:46
They're hiding something bigger than F&F. Obama could have thrown Holder under the bus a long time ago when this was still buried by the MSM and made it go away. This executive priv means that the documents themselves are extremely damaging and probably lead to other things like long-rumored DEA drug smuggling operations and cartel cooperation. Either way, F&F is a gateway to something bigger and they sure don't want to turn over those docs. I doubt we'll find out.

kirgi08
06-21-2012, 01:30
Issa ain't gonna quit,he may get removed;he won't quit.I hope he's secure.'08.

countrygun
06-21-2012, 01:37
But for the whistleblowers, Barry and Eric would have had a heck of a public affairs victory over gun owners. The only conceivable use for that would have been to push for more gun control. Never let a crisis go to waste, and in the absence if a crisis, create one.

It is so screaming obvious I don't know how people don't get it:dunno:

Were they trying to catch FFL dealers making "strawman sales" ?
No they told the dealers to make the sales.

Were they going for the American smugglers selling the guns?
No those folks were working for them.

Were they trying to catch the Mexican criminals receiving the guns?
No they weren't even working with the knowledge of the Mexican government.

Were they trying to track the guns to the cartels?
No they had no way of doing so.


There are only two possibilities left.

1. They were trying to help the drug cartels stage a revolution in Mexico.

2. They were trying to boost the numbers of guns, used in Mexico for criminal purposes, traceable to the US.

Hmmm. Well, since the Mexican Presidente doesn't seem bent about it (maybe because he has been informed about the details better than the US Congress) I'll take "Boosting the numbers of tracable guns" for five-hundred Alec.
:dunno:

JFrame
06-21-2012, 05:15
It is so screaming obvious I don't know how people don't get it:dunno:

Were they trying to catch FFL dealers making "strawman sales" ?
No they told the dealers to make the sales.

Were they going for the American smugglers selling the guns?
No those folks were working for them.

Were they trying to catch the Mexican criminals receiving the guns?
No they weren't even working with the knowledge of the Mexican government.

Were they trying to track the guns to the cartels?
No they had no way of doing so.


There are only two possibilities left.

1. They were trying to help the drug cartels stage a revolution in Mexico.

2. They were trying to boost the numbers of guns, used in Mexico for criminal purposes, traceable to the US.

Hmmm. Well, since the Mexican Presidente doesn't seem bent about it (maybe because he has been informed about the details better than the US Congress) I'll take "Boosting the numbers of tracable guns" for five-hundred Alec.
:dunno:


You're absolutely wrong, countrygun.

There are a couple of idiots people on this very forum who would tell you that the Obama administration has absolutely no anti-gun agenda...




:whistling:

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Fed Five Oh
06-21-2012, 05:38
You're absolutely wrong, countrygun.

There are a couple of idiots people on this very forum who would tell you that the Obama administration has absolutely no anti-gun agenda...




:whistling:

.Don't forget the freedom lovers that believe re-electing 0bama is the best thing for America.

ChuteTheMall
06-21-2012, 05:55
Either way, F&F is a gateway to something bigger and they sure don't want to turn over those docs. I doubt we'll find out.

And as usual, you will be wrong.
We will find out, but I can't guess when.

Don't forget the freedom lovers that believe re-electing 0bama is the best thing for America.

For these Ronbots, the only thing that matters is punishing the GOP (Daddy) for not living up to their unrealistic expectations. They would actually prefer Obama to any actual GOP nominee.

Cavalry Doc
06-21-2012, 06:26
You're absolutely wrong, countrygun.

There are a couple of idiots people on this very forum who would tell you that the Obama administration has absolutely no anti-gun agenda...




:whistling:

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I think you got it right the first time.

Cavalry Doc
06-21-2012, 06:30
They're hiding something bigger than F&F. Obama could have thrown Holder under the bus a long time ago when this was still buried by the MSM and made it go away. This executive priv means that the documents themselves are extremely damaging and probably lead to other things like long-rumored DEA drug smuggling operations and cartel cooperation. Either way, F&F is a gateway to something bigger and they sure don't want to turn over those docs. I doubt we'll find out.

We may not get them, especially if the new libertarians for Obama get their way.

If Romney can squeek out a victory in November, I'd guess the documents may see the light of day. Some will be shredded, and some will be secreted to desk drawers by honest people to be released.

JFrame
06-21-2012, 06:40
I think you got it right the first time.


:rofl:

Okay -- duly noted... :supergrin:


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marchboom
06-21-2012, 07:31
And now the conspiracy involves the head criminal...obama.

Just what is on those requested reports that obama doesn't want us to see? Maybe that he knew about, and approved, F & F?

obama. America's #1 domestic terrorist.

onalandline
06-21-2012, 09:18
Unless the purpose of F&F was actually to create a climate where strict gun control was politically possible.

Remember...before anyone can say F&F was a botched operation, there must be an explanation as to what it was actually supposed to accomplish. For all we know, F&F worked just as designed.

It was designed to show a need for more gun control....and failed miserably.

onalandline
06-21-2012, 09:19
It's amazing how none of the newly converted Obama supporters around here think Barry is pro gun control with F&F so widely known.

How can any of you on this forum support that bastard?

sbhaven
06-21-2012, 09:19
Normally people who are narcissists, socialists, or even communists quickly throw those who can harm them under the nearest bus, or as in the case of Stalin they receive a fatal dose of lead.

Obama normally runs to the cameras to make sweeping announcements. He did not in this case. This was not some kind of last minute decision. They had planned this for some time, and it probably explains why a WH lawyer went with Holder when he had the meeting with the committee Tuesday evening.

In this case Obama chose to invoke the Executive Privilege option for the first time. Question is why? Is he personally tied via a paper trail to the operation, as in gave the go ahead? Are there others who surround him (like Valerie Jarrett or Cass Sunstein) who are on the paper trail? Are they laying some kind of trap for Republicans? Or are they simply gambling and trying to run the clock out till November?

What ever the case, the White House will have to provide a document detailing which documents are covered by the EP order in the next few days. If Issa has any of those documents (provided to him by the whistleblowers) that the EP order covers it will provide a road map to follow up on.

onalandline
06-21-2012, 09:20
He was against executive privilege, then went ahead and used it...

FLASHBACK 2007: Obama Attacked Trying "To Hide Behind Executive Privilege" - YouTube

aircarver
06-21-2012, 09:23
Very bright:

Obamao:
"I am involved in 'Fast and Furious' "

:shakehead:

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JFrame
06-21-2012, 09:26
In this case Obama chose to invoke the Executive Privilege option for the first time. Question is why? Is he personally tied via a paper trail to the operation, as in gave the go ahead? Are there others who surround him (like Valerie Jarrett or Cass Sunstein) who are on the paper trail? Are they laying some kind of trap for Republicans? Or are they simply gambling and trying to run the clock out till November?


My guess is that bolded part...That whatever is in those documents is so damaging to the DOJ, the Obama administration, and Obama himself, that he would rather weather the controversy of invoking Executive Privilege than have the contents be known before the election.

Also, Obama and the Dems are certainly counting on the vast majority of the MSM continuing to run interference on their behalf regarding this issue.


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happyguy
06-21-2012, 09:40
My guess is that bolded part...That whatever is in those documents is so damaging to the DOJ, the Obama administration, and Obama himself, that he would rather weather the controversy of invoking Executive Privilege than have the contents be known before the election.

Also, Obama and the Dems are certainly counting on the vast majority of the MSM continuing to run interference on their behalf regarding this issue.


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It is not beyond the realm of possibility that Issa already has the documents the Whitehouse finds problematic. This is a game within game (That is an analogy? I know it's not really a game, it just gets played like one.) and a grand one at that.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

Syclone538
06-21-2012, 09:52
I think we all know it's part of the 90% myth, but I'm not sure anyone will ever be able to prove it. I'd be very surprised if there isn't plausible deniability for at least Obama and maybe Holder.

countrygun
06-21-2012, 10:14
I think we all know it's part of the 90% myth, but I'm not sure anyone will ever be able to prove it. I'd be very surprised if there isn't plausible deniability for at least Obama and maybe Holder.


Invoking "Executive Privilege" pretty much shoots plausible deniability in the foot.

Syclone538
06-21-2012, 10:55
...
Justice Department officials noted that the assertion does not have to pertain to communications involving the president or White House staff. Any "deliberative communications" among officials in the Executive Branch, they said, could be covered.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/21/executive-privilege-claim-opens-new-questions-for-lawmakers-probing-fast-and/

JFrame
06-21-2012, 11:01
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/21/executive-privilege-claim-opens-new-questions-for-lawmakers-probing-fast-and/


Holder, in Denmark, reportedly called the move "unwarranted, unnecessary and unprecedented."


One would also have to point out that the corruption and criminal conduct of an administration and its "Justice" department is also unprecedented.


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GWSHARK
06-21-2012, 13:32
http://www.reviewstl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Men-in-Black-3-Screenshot-Will-Smith-Neuralizer.jpg

snerd
06-21-2012, 14:10
http://thelookingspoon.com/tlsimages/blog/2012/eric_withholder_fast_and_furious.jpg

sbhaven
06-23-2012, 10:53
Afterburner with Bill Whittle explores the ideological motives behind Fast and Furious, and talks about the "botched" meme some are using to explain away the scandal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UFIpoL3jrfo

Cavalry Doc
06-23-2012, 11:32
http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/139/2012/06/21/113914_600.jpg

http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/95/2012/06/21/113892_600.jpg

http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/142/2012/06/20/113831_600.jpg

G17Jake
06-23-2012, 13:32
If anyone had even the remotest inkling that the Obama administration wasn't trying to hide something -- I believe this pretty much dispels that notion.


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Obama's apologists don't care.

They don't want to know the truth. They only care about the advancement of the progressive movement. Obama could run the US Constitution through a paper shredder and they would cheer.

onalandline
06-24-2012, 08:30
Obama's apologists don't care.

They don't want to know the truth. They only care about the advancement of the progressive movement. Obama could run the US Constitution through a paper shredder and they would cheer.

This is true, and the reason why Obama and his cronies must go.

ChuteTheMall
06-25-2012, 08:30
http://i46.tinypic.com/zof96p.jpg