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Cavalry Doc
06-24-2012, 09:51
Mass. Republicans oust Ron Paul delegates (http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/06/23/romney-campaign-ousts-ron-paul-delegates/3xYwhZ5kbZuRMyMBlXy6EK/story.html)
They did not deliver affidavit in support of Mitt Romney on time

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Some libertarian-leaning delegates balked at the notion of signing legal affidavits pledging what they had committed verbally at the caucuses where they were elected. Many later submitted them, but not until after the deadline.

As a result, the committee disqualified them, winnowing the number of Liberty delegates and alternates to the convention from 35 to 19, said organizer Brad Wyatt. (One Liberty delegate was added due to the changes in the roster.)



Looks like the Paul guys are taking some losses on the way to the convention.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/mixed-messages.jpg


Delegates that pledged to vote a certain way when they were delegated to take the votes of the people to Tampa should honor their pledges. Honesty is the best policy.


I expect that Massachusetts won't be the last state to bump delegates that are obviously planning to violate their pledge.

G29Reload
06-24-2012, 10:08
Yep. Play by the rules, or get thrown out.

Its called "Ethics".




And no, you can't have a pony.


come to think of it, not only will paul not get nominated, they'll probably endanger giving him a plank. Cut off nose = spite face.

kirgi08
06-24-2012, 11:17
tagged.

G19G20
06-24-2012, 19:10
Just another section added to the lawsuit displaying the corruption and fraud of the party establishment, determined to shove a Wall St owned liberal gun grabber down our throats.

This affidavit nonsense isn't even in Massachusetts rules or law. It's gonna take a wheel barrow to carry this lawsuit for service if the GOP establishment keeps up this scorched earth approach. Keep burning the bridges GOP! Great job bringing the young voters into the party! No wonder the party is getting smaller every year and we'll lose AGAIN in November.

Syclone538
06-24-2012, 19:21
<- Paul supporter


However this turns out legally, delegates voting for someone other then who the majority of the voters they represent voted for is a horrible idea.

countrygun
06-24-2012, 20:05
Just another section added to the lawsuit displaying the corruption and fraud of the party establishment,.

FRAUD?????

Pledge to represent the voters wishes, and when they don't vote for your candidate you want to break that pledge, and you accuse someone else of fraud?:crazy:

G19G20
06-24-2012, 20:37
FRAUD?????

Pledge to represent the voters wishes, and when they don't vote for your candidate you want to break that pledge, and you accuse someone else of fraud?:crazy:

Yeah, it's fraud when you change the rules in the middle of the game BECAUSE you're losing. That's exactly what Mass GOP did. They simply didn't want to be embarrassed by Romney's home state being represented in Tampa by people that don't support him. If Romney supporters had won the delegate slots then there would not have been any affidavit in the first place.

Whoever came up with this notion that RNC delegates are elected to "represent" the voters of their district or state is flat wrong. It's checks and balances of the electoral system, not representation. If representation was all that mattered then popular vote would decide the nominee, not a convention of individually elected delegates.

countrygun
06-24-2012, 21:03
Yeah, it's fraud when you change the rules in the middle of the game BECAUSE you're losing. That's exactly what Mass GOP did. They simply didn't want to be embarrassed by Romney's home state being represented in Tampa by people that don't support him. If Romney supporters had won the delegate slots then there would not have been any affidavit in the first place.

Whoever came up with this notion that RNC delegates are elected to "represent" the voters of their district or state is flat wrong. It's checks and balances of the electoral system, not representation. If representation was all that mattered then popular vote would decide the nominee, not a convention of individually elected delegates.

The electoral process dates from before radio. TV and the internet.


How did the people vote, Romney or Paul?

Your approach sounds an awful lot like a spiteful manuver to cover the fact that Ron Paul didn't even win his home District where the people know him best
:rofl:

The truly sad part is that those paranoid delusional lunatics do not realize that every dictator in history has been surrounded by people who told themselves they were doing what was right for the people, and the people just didn't understand that.

Nope the RP A-clowns at this point have started to hunker in the bunker and are expecting a Volksturm to rise up and snatch victory from the deep gullet of defeat. Maybe old men and small children with panzerfausts and K-98s.

G19G20
06-24-2012, 21:42
The electoral process dates from before radio. TV and the internet.

Your point?


How did the people vote, Romney or Paul?

Which people? The folks that make a decision based on 10 minutes of Fox News the day they go to the polls? Or the folks going to Tampa? I don't particularly care what the majority thinks since it's not my job to be their representation and the this country isn't tyranny of the majority.


Your approach sounds an awful lot like a spiteful manuver to cover the fact that Ron Paul didn't even win his home District where the people know him best
:rofl:

My approach is to be a free thinking individual, much more involved in the process than "the people" you spoke of that can't be bothered to do more than push a button on a computer once every few years.


The truly sad part is that those paranoid delusional lunatics do not realize that every dictator in history has been surrounded by people who told themselves they were doing what was right for the people, and the people just didn't understand that.

Ironic statement coming from someone who had to decide whether to vote for a liberal gun grabber from the North or...a liberal gun grabber from the North. Tough choice there. You've decided to vote for the liberal gun grabber from the North and you're really going to post that drivel above with a straight face? :upeyes:

You're doing a heck of a lot more to bring on the collapse of this country with your Einstein's Definition of Insanity voting method.


Nope the RP A-clowns at this point have started to hunker in the bunker and are expecting a Volksturm to rise up and snatch victory from the deep gullet of defeat. Maybe old men and small children with panzerfausts and K-98s.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings. I wonder why you hate competition so much and support overt fraud by political parties.

ChuteTheMall
06-24-2012, 22:02
The dishonesty of these Ronulans is no surprise, considering the intellectual dishonesty necessary to support Ron Paul in the real world.

He never had any chance whatsoever of winning the GOP nomination. No honest sane person could ever deny this.:tinfoil:

countrygun
06-24-2012, 22:09
The dishonesty of these Ronulans is no surprise, considering the intellectual dishonesty necessary to support Ron Paul in the real world.

He never had any chance whatsoever of winning the GOP nomination. No honest sane person could ever deny this.:tinfoil:


AHA!!!


:therapy:

"Und Zo, did cho really tink dat Ron Paul shtood a shnowball's shance in de virst place? Ve vill need to up zee medicashoons SHHTAT"

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 04:28
<- Paul supporter


However this turns out legally, delegates voting for someone other then who the majority of the voters they represent voted for is a horrible idea.

That is a respectable and ethical position. You have headlights. Meaning you can see ahead what that action will cause. It would be a LARGE domino, and some very predictable outcomes would be acheived, all of them counterproductive for the Liberty Movement.

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 04:33
Yeah, it's fraud when you change the rules in the middle of the game BECAUSE you're losing. That's exactly what Mass GOP did. They simply didn't want to be embarrassed by Romney's home state being represented in Tampa by people that don't support him. If Romney supporters had won the delegate slots then there would not have been any affidavit in the first place.

Whoever came up with this notion that RNC delegates are elected to "represent" the voters of their district or state is flat wrong. It's checks and balances of the electoral system, not representation. If representation was all that mattered then popular vote would decide the nominee, not a convention of individually elected delegates.

Paul lost the popular vote. The RNC is doing what they can to stop Trojan Horse delegates like yourself (allegedly) from unethically violating your pledge. In that at least, I support them.

Have you signed your affedavit yet? Have you been bumped off the delegation yet? If you're still going, who will you vote for on the first ballot?

walt cowan
06-25-2012, 04:55
you can't beat barry without them. keep burning them bridges.

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 05:13
you can't beat barry without them. keep burning them bridges.

The ones we are talking about, we never had. Net loss of zero.

Ron can't win primary votes without us, as has been massively proven by his actual number of votes. That was the bridge burned.

My position, is vote the way you want. It's your vote. Unless you pledged to carry the votes of others, then you should probably not violate your pledge and metaphorically stab your neighbors in the back. If they do, as one alleged delegate has openly stated, I hope all their neighbors find out, and that he will be reading his posts here aloud in court, which is not all that far fetched an outcome, if he actually doesn't vote according to his pledge in the first ballot (which is what he will really do, regardless of what he posts here). If he has signed an affidavit, He could be charged with perjury. His neighbors, the one that he pledged to carry votes for to the convention, might have some civil actions that they want to take too.

PawDog
06-25-2012, 05:51
Which people? The folks that make a decision based on 10 minutes of Fox News the day they go to the polls? Or the folks going to Tampa? I don't particularly care what the majority thinks since it's not my job to be their representation and the this country isn't tyranny of the majority.

Wow. Just go ahead and put on your brown shirts and arm bands while you're at it, since the majority and will of the people mean nothing to the Paulatarians.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5259/5490084614_e5526abf81.jpg

The majority of American Republicans would never vote for the cult leader Paul, and never will. He's simply a liberal, geriatric, limp-wrist, coward, pot-headed, anti-American, anti-military, pro-marxist, and has more in common with the Progressive left Democrats than he does the Republicans.

The Machinist
06-25-2012, 06:28
The majority of American Republicans would never vote for the cult leader Paul, and never will. He's simply a liberal, geriatric, limp-wrist, coward, pot-headed, anti-American, anti-military, pro-marxist, and has more in common with the Progressive left Democrats than he does the Republicans.
This from the guy who's supports the New England liberal who invented Obamacare. Modern day republicans are nothing more than democrat retreads, who beg for more government in their lives. Without someone telling you what to do, you'd be completely lost.

PawDog
06-25-2012, 06:50
This from the guy who's supports the New England liberal who invented Obamacare. Modern day republicans are nothing more than democrat retreads, who beg for more government in their lives. Without someone telling you what to do, you'd be completely lost.

Keep parroting and regurgitating the same tired, old "DailyPaul" propaganda........:upeyes:

Paulaterians consistently and expectantly follow the liberal belief, "If you tell a lie often enough, it will be accepted as truth."

Fortunately, most honest people are smart enough to know otherwise.

sbhaven
06-25-2012, 07:49
This from the guy who's supports the New England liberal who invented Obamacare. Modern day republicans are nothing more than democrat retreads, who beg for more government in their lives. Without someone telling you what to do, you'd be completely lost.
That may very well be the case, but that still doesn't get Ron Paul any closer to being elected to the White House. If Ron Paul wants to be President he has to find a way to get those who consistently do not vote for him to change their minds (and opinions of him) and vote for him. So far, in several presidential elections now, he has been consistently unsuccessful at convincing enough people to vote for him.
:dunno:

The Machinist
06-25-2012, 10:00
Keep parroting and regurgitating the same tired, old "DailyPaul" propaganda........:upeyes:

Paulaterians consistently and expectantly follow the liberal belief, "If you tell a lie often enough, it will be accepted as truth."

Fortunately, most honest people are smart enough to know otherwise.
Point out the lie, Romneybot.

The Machinist
06-25-2012, 10:04
That may very well be the case, but that still doesn't get Ron Paul any closer to being elected to the White House. If Ron Paul wants to be President he has to find a way to get those who consistently do not vote for him to change their minds (and opinions of him) and vote for him. So far, in several presidential elections now, he has been consistently unsuccessful at convincing enough people to vote for him.
:dunno:
Ron Paul was never going to be president, and I knew that from the beginning. Personal liberty isn't high on the list of priorities for most Americans, and removing government from our lives is a frightening prospect for most people. There are no two ways about it. You either crave freedom, or you crave servitude. It's hard to convince people with a herd mentality to forge their own destinies.

PawDog
06-25-2012, 12:36
Personal liberty isn't high on the list of priorities for most Americans, and removing government from our lives is a frightening prospect for most people. There are no two ways about it. You either crave freedom, or you crave servitude. It's hard to convince people with a herd mentality to forge their own destinies.

More baseless, unfounded, opinionated cultist Paulatarian propaganda, without any element of truth.

And your very own chosen messiah, who claims Social Security is "unconstitutional" admitted last week HE draws checks from the system.

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-collects-social-security-183133091--abc-news-politics.html

Even though he wants younger generations to transition away from Social Security, the Texas congressman and Republican presidential candidate says he receives checks.

"I do," Paul acknowledged in an MSNBC interview on Wednesday. When The Huffington Post's Sam Stein asked if Paul shouldn't set an example by declining the government benefit, Paul said no.

He's one of the most blatantly fraud, lying hypocritical goofs in DC, and yet has the naive Paulatarian sheep following him blindly like the pied piper.......:faint:

With Paul, it's "do as I say, not as I do........."

countrygun
06-25-2012, 13:11
Our primary system is designed to forge a platform that enough voters will support to get the majority candidate elected.

Ron Paul, with his massive ego, and that of a few of his devotees, blew the first opportunity. In the early days of the primary I do think that he had the momentum to have, perhaps, even played a big part in the selection of the Republican candidate. He had the support and the delegates to use them as leverage to affect policy by choosing an electable candidate and supporting them. Two things got in the way RON PAUL WAS NOT A REPUBLICAN in the first place. He was not running for the Republican Party he was running for Ron Paul. Talk about FRAUD. Republicans saw this and saw his lack of recognition of reality, and the behavior of his devotees (as evidenced in this thread) was enough to convince Americans to say "No Way" in Droves.

Problem two, that prevents him from having any impact is again being shown in this thread. All he has left are his "RP or nobody" followers, he can't even offer Romney an appreciable number of votes in exchange for consideration in policy or platform. He and his followers have cast themselves out and their little tantrums and attempting to usurp the primary process will forever cause the libertarians to be labled "The Short Bus Party"

TBO
06-25-2012, 13:31
Agree

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 13:33
From what I've seen, Paul was intelligently going to use his delegates to effect the platform, but that movement got away from him rather quickly when the radical members of his following quickly started perpetrating fraud by planning on getting seated as delegates with the intent of violating their pledges. Even when he called for them to behave, they just stated that he was going to be the nominee, he just didn't know it yet.

http://emob127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/rpdelegatesteeling.png

It's been said often that his biggest liability are his own followers, but it's not all of them, just the most radical.

http://emob127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/Sour-Grapes-Central.jpg

With luck, a lot of the Trojan horse delegates will be blocked, if not, there should be strong legal repercussions if they violate their pledges.

ChuteTheMall
06-25-2012, 13:43
If Ron Paul can't even control or influence his own delegates, and if Ron Paul can't even control or influence his own racist newsletters, isn't it pretty obvious that he's unqualified to assume any leadership position in any organization?

No management potential whatsoever.

Probably better as a midwife.

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 14:13
If Ron Paul can't even control or influence his own delegates, and if Ron Paul can't even control or influence his own racist newsletters, isn't it pretty obvious that he's unqualified to assume any leadership position in any organization?

No management potential whatsoever.

Probably better as a midwife.

I know some midwives, and I'd like to go on the record as being offended on their behalf.

sbhaven
06-25-2012, 14:29
Ron Paul was never going to be president, and I knew that from the beginning. Personal liberty isn't high on the list of priorities for most Americans, and removing government from our lives is a frightening prospect for most people. There are no two ways about it. You either crave freedom, or you crave servitude. It's hard to convince people with a herd mentality to forge their own destinies.
Ah the absolutism of the Paul followers. Either you follow Paul or you crave larger government. The world (and reality) is generally far from such simplistic black and white views.

Some might just say that it's hard to convince people with a herd mentality to forge their own destinies without Ron Paul being President.
:dunno:

G19G20
06-25-2012, 16:10
Wow. Just go ahead and put on your brown shirts and arm bands while you're at it, since the majority and will of the people mean nothing to the Paulatarians.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5259/5490084614_e5526abf81.jpg

The majority of American Republicans would never vote for the cult leader Paul, and never will. He's simply a liberal, geriatric, limp-wrist, coward, pot-headed, anti-American, anti-military, pro-marxist, and has more in common with the Progressive left Democrats than he does the Republicans.

Another ironic post, seeing how the majority of Germans supported Hitler and the Nazis/brownshirts, including electing him. Then you compare that to Ron Paul supporters, who you in the same breath claim people never voted for. Odd. Which one of us appears to be supporting the popular dictator that will lead us down the path of tyranny? Voting for Romney, are you? Hmm. Food for thought. Being in the majority doesn't make you right. It just makes you as stupid as the next guy.

At least try to keep your history straight if you're going to post ad hominem attacks.

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 16:44
Another ironic post, seeing how the majority of Germans supported Hitler and the Nazis/brownshirts, including electing him. Then you compare that to Ron Paul supporters, who you in the same breath claim people never voted for. Odd. Which one of us appears to be supporting the popular dictator that will lead us down the path of tyranny? Voting for Romney, are you? Hmm. Food for thought. Being in the majority doesn't make you right. It just makes you as stupid as the next guy.

At least try to keep your history straight if you're going to post ad hominem attacks.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/rofllarge.gif

You are really a historical moron. Would you please use the free google search engine before you post any historical references.

In the presidential election held on March 13, 1932, there were four candidates: the incumbent, Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg, Hitler, and two minor candidates, Ernst Thaelmann and Theodore Duesterberg. The results were:

Hindenburg 49.6 percent
Hitler 30.1 percent
Thaelmann 13.2 percent
Duesterberg 6.8 percent

At the risk of belaboring the obvious, almost 70 percent of the German people voted against Hitler, causing his supporter Joseph Goebbels, who would later become Hitler’s minister of propaganda, to lament in his journal, “We’re beaten; terrible outlook. Party circles badly depressed and dejected.”

Since Hindenberg had not received a majority of the vote, however, a runoff election had to be held among the top three vote-getters. On April 19, 1932, the runoff results were:

Hindenburg 53.0 percent
Hitler 36.8 percent
Thaelmann 10.2 percent

Thus, even though Hitler’s vote total had risen, he still had been decisively rejected by the German people.

On June 1, 1932, Hindenberg appointed Franz von Papen as chancellor of Germany, whom Shirer described as an “unexpected and ludicrous figure.” Papen immediately dissolved the Reichstag (the national congress) and called for new elections, the third legislative election in five months.

Hitler and his fellow members of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party, who were determined to bring down the republic and establish dictatorial rule in Germany, did everything they could to create chaos in the streets, including initiating political violence and murder. The situation got so bad that martial law was proclaimed in Berlin. (http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp)

Did you even go to school? What is your highest level of eduction that you passed? With what GPA?

Even I am starting to get embarrassed for you.... Please stop. You are going to make me laugh myself to death.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/CavDoc-3.gif

TBO
06-25-2012, 17:01
The arrogance of ignorance ridges again.

PawDog
06-25-2012, 17:35
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/rofllarge.gif

You are really a historical moron. Would you please use the free google search engine before you post any historical references.

Did you even go to school? What is your highest level of eduction that you passed? With what GPA?

Even I am starting to get embarrassed for you.... Please stop. You are going to make me laugh myself to death.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/CavDoc-3.gif

Yup......I knew the Paulatarian choir leader would chime in with his "vast" historical knowledge.....:rofl:

And, more than likely Doc, he's been to school, most likely just graduated the 8th grade last month. :supergrin:

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 17:43
Yup......I knew the Paulatarian choir leader would chime in with his "vast" historical knowledge.....:rofl:

And, more than likely Doc, he's been to school, most likely just graduated the 8th grade last month. :supergrin:

Nope. I have one kid in college, another will be a senior next year, and they were not anywhere near as ignorant as this bozo. I'm thinking he "graduated" from a metropolitan school system that kept passing kids onto the next grade out of a need to keep the stats looking good, instead of individual merit.

One, Ok. Twice, maybe. This many times, and he has blown his wad and been outed as ignorant of simple facts that are easily found by anyone.

Idealistic cultist. So smart that he doesn't know anything.

I look forward to when he either comes back legally unscathed claiming that he voted for Paul on the first vote at the convention(lying of course), or disappears entirely due to legal entanglements after the convention.

The entertainment value of this disciple is priceless.

countrygun
06-25-2012, 17:58
Another ironic post, seeing how the majority of Germans supported Hitler and the Nazis/brownshirts, including electing him. Then you compare that to Ron Paul supporters, who you in the same breath claim people never voted for. Odd. Which one of us appears to be supporting the popular dictator that will lead us down the path of tyranny? Voting for Romney, are you? Hmm. Food for thought. Being in the majority doesn't make you right. It just makes you as stupid as the next guy.

At least try to keep your history straight if you're going to post ad hominem attacks.


http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu208/countrygun/MunberThree.jpg


I have never seen an adult, reference history so often, and be so wrong so often, in my life. Not that there aren't a lot of ignorant ones around, but they are usually smart enough to shut up when they realize their ignorance.

if this guy is an example of what is coming out of our public schools, I want my money back. The "education" system should be sued for fraud.

ChuteTheMall
06-25-2012, 17:59
On the other hand, Hitler was far more popular then Ron Paul, who got less than one half of one percent of the popular vote on his best showing, when he ran on the Libertarian ticket in 1988.


His followers forgot to take to the streets, they were all stoned and they missed it.

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 18:01
On the other hand, Hitler was far more popular then Ron Paul, who got less than one half of one percent of the popular vote on his best showing, when he ran on the Libertarian ticket in 1988.


His followers forgot to take to the streets, they were all stoned and they missed it.

http://members.shaw.ca/psistocker/bill/01.jpg

Cavalry Doc
06-25-2012, 20:47
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu208/countrygun/MunberThree.jpg


I have never seen an adult, reference history so often, and be so wrong so often, in my life. Not that there aren't a lot of ignorant ones around, but they are usually smart enough to shut up when they realize their ignorance.

if this guy is an example of what is coming out of our public schools, I want my money back. The "education" system should be sued for fraud.

He claims to know the founders so well, and doesn't. Bet he doesn't know who said:


Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

G-19
06-26-2012, 02:33
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/rofllarge.gif

You are really a historical moron. Would you please use the free google search engine before you post any historical references.



Did you even go to school? What is your highest level of eduction that you passed? With what GPA?

Even I am starting to get embarrassed for you.... Please stop. You are going to make me laugh myself to death.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/CavDoc-3.gif

Doc, There you go again using actual facts.

The Machinist
06-26-2012, 06:32
Either you follow Paul or you crave larger government.
I never said that, Romneybot. Learn to read.

Sam Spade
06-26-2012, 07:27
It seems to me that the implosion we're seeing here mirrors real life. So, I'm comfortable predicting that real life will soon display the vitriol that the Ronulans are tossing about.

Their public self destruction will set the libertarian label back decades. They'll bemoan the rise of the state, not seeing the role they had in it.

ChuteTheMall
06-26-2012, 07:38
http://i45.tinypic.com/ayaflw.jpg

"Some guys don't know when they're finished."

sbhaven
06-26-2012, 08:23
I never said that, Romneybot. Learn to read.
If one "crave servitude", who or what are they in "servitude" to? It wouldn't be the government would it?

Once again more absolutism. If you disagree with a Paul follower, your automatically a Romneybot. :rofl: I'm not a Romneybot, I'm an "anyone but Obama" bot. :cool: Personally I think Romney is a poor political candidate, for more than a few reasons. Is he as poor a political candidate as Obama is? We each will need to make that decision in November.

TBO
06-26-2012, 10:43
It seems to me that the implosion we're seeing here mirrors real life. So, I'm comfortable predicting that real life will soon display the vitriol that the Ronulans are tossing about.

Their public self destruction will set the libertarian label back decades. They'll bemoan the rise of the state, not seeing the role they had in it.
Quoted and tagged for posterity.