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Rockimook
06-30-2012, 09:12
I'm thinking about getting one or something similar as my first rifle.
Which one should I get and why? I don't hunt.
My current pistols, which should give you a idea of what price range and quality to suggest. (They are not Kimbers, but nothing close to a Highpoint in my opinion)
G30sf, M&P Shield, S&W BG380, Ruger P95, and Ruger SR1911(coming soon or maybe later, still searching for one like most people)

Thanks for any/all input.

Boats
06-30-2012, 09:49
Were I buying one today, it'd be between the hardword stocked blue ranch rifle or the tactical with the simple black plastic stock. In my mind, the mini should be light and minimalist, not festooned with doodads and red dots. The difference between my two choices are looks and a flash hider.

Be forewarned that someone will inevitably come by to suggest an AR Instead. They don't get that the appeal of the Mini is directly tied to the fact that it ISN'T an AR.

Reswob
06-30-2012, 10:11
Be forewarned that someone will inevitably come by to suggest an AR Instead. They don't get that the appeal of the Mini is directly tied to the fact that it ISN'T an AR.

:supergrin:

I won't suggest one, I'll just point out that
1) you can get a AR for about the same price,
2) AR mags are MUCH cheaper, and,
3) I find a pistol grip much more comfortable than the Mini 14's "hunting-style" stock/grip

Don't get me wrong, I really want to like the Mini-14 (and I'm not a big AR-15 fan), I just wish they made one with a nice looking (wood?) pistol-grip stock that took cheap and plentiful AR mags for less than the $800 I see them going for.

FLIPPER 348
06-30-2012, 10:32
some folk don't like pistol grips on rifles

Nice wood and blue steel Minis go for $729 round these parts.

Rockimook
06-30-2012, 10:46
I shoot the M16 and M4 at work. That's why I want something different. I will consider a AR though. I'm just trying to progress a little from just pistols. On to rifles and shotguns.

Dexters
06-30-2012, 10:52
:supergrin:

I won't suggest one, I'll just point out that
1) you can get a AR for about the same price,
2) AR mags are MUCH cheaper, and,
3) I find a pistol grip much more comfortable than the Mini 14's "hunting-style" stock/grip

Don't get me wrong, I really want to like the Mini-14 (and I'm not a big AR-15 fan), I just wish they made one with a nice looking (wood?) pistol-grip stock that took cheap and plentiful AR mags for less than the $800 I see them going for.

I agree - the S&W Sporter is a good gun at a good price.

I had a mini when they first came out in the 80's.

I like the action very much.

I don't like the price at all.

Get the mini in the 350-400 price range and I'd get one.

mark68
06-30-2012, 11:07
I've had a Mini14 for about 10 years. Wood and stainless. It is one of the guns I own that I know I wont sell or trade. Very accurate (does have a thin barrel). The magazines aren't that expensive. Rugers mags. are the best and the highest but I've had good luck with National Magazines. It has a classic look. And mine has proven to be very reliable (can't remember ever having a problem that wasn't ammo caused). The rifle was also A-Team approved....

ESI Agent
06-30-2012, 11:45
Mine has been 100%.

michael e
06-30-2012, 11:49
I have a mini 14 ranch rifle, blue and wood stock. Was during the AWB hi cap ban, so was some issues finding good hi caps that actually worked 100%. Other than that it has been great, with the factory mag never had a issue. Dont get to take it out past 150 200 yrds alot but it is as accurate as my AR.
Also have a Mini 30 SS/ Synthic stock, same issue with finding hi cap mags, but factory mag 100%. They are both great guns.

faawrenchbndr
06-30-2012, 11:51
I'm thinking about getting one or something similar as my first rifle.
Which one should I get and why? I don't hunt.
My current pistols, which should give you a idea of what price range and quality to suggest. (They are not Kimbers, but nothing close to a Highpoint in my opinion)
G30sf, M&P Shield, S&W BG380, Ruger P95, and Ruger SR1911(coming soon or maybe later, still searching for one like most people)

Thanks for any/all input.


Check this forum, tons on Mini info

http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/

countrygun
06-30-2012, 11:57
Were I buying one today, it'd be between the hardword stocked blue ranch rifle or the tactical with the simple black plastic stock. In my mind, the mini should be light and minimalist, not festooned with doodads and red dots. The difference between my two choices are looks and a flash hider.

Be forewarned that someone will inevitably come by to suggest an AR Instead. They don't get that the appeal of the Mini is directly tied to the fact that it ISN'T an AR.


Summed it up nicely. I have an earlier thin barrel that I chose to keep and let my AR go. I know myself well enough that I am going to end up with another Mini.

Mine had a Butler Creek folder on it an a scope rail etc. It wa a "ranch" so the rear sight needed an inprovement alright. I did that and chucked all of the tactical hardware except the muzzle brake which helps accuracy with the skinny barrels, and put a wood stock back on it.

Now I want to get one of the short, heavy barreled 'tacticals" and switch the stocks out. Put the stainless ranch in the plastic stock and the shorty in a wood stock.

"Boats" is right the appeal of the Mini is that it isn't an AR.

Bob Hafler
06-30-2012, 12:34
New 580 Mini14 ranch rifles are very nice. Bought one last year. Real world accuracy and very reliable. Really like the feel and balance of it with a 20 round mag.

badge315
06-30-2012, 15:36
I like my ARs, but I love my lightly-customized Mini-14. The Clark Custom Gun Works laminated stock is mostly for looks...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/badge315/Guns%20-%20Shooting/CIMG1547a.jpg

...but I made some improvements to the sights which resulted in a significant increase in accuracy. I replaced the old style Ranch Rifle flip-up rear leaf with a Williams Receiver Sight...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/badge315/Guns%20-%20Shooting/Mini-14rearsight.jpg

...and replaced the front sight blade with an XS front sight for an AR...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/badge315/Guns%20-%20Shooting/Mini-14frontsight.jpg

SouthpawG26
06-30-2012, 15:56
"I pity the fool who scoffs at the Mini 14"....SFC Bosco A. Baracus, January 23rd, 1983.

H&K 4 LIFE
06-30-2012, 17:20
My Mini-14 Ranch Rifle just flat out works. It shoots accurate enough for what it is and has never had a single stoppage. I don't even clean it very often, and in fact, cannot remember the last time I have.

AR's are great rifles too, but I wouldn't sell the Mini short by any means. :)

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg62/scaled.php?server=62&filename=sdc10235edit.jpg&res=landing

collim1
06-30-2012, 17:26
I like the mini14's. The new "tactical" versions have a synthetic stock and a heavier barrel than the older ones. The heavier barrel helps with the heat from extended shooting sessions.

People always talk about the AR's being more accurate, but in my own informal test with cheap 55g ball ammo I find they shoot about the same, 4-5" groups at 100yds. This is not a scoped rifle from a bench rest, this is an open sight rifle on a sandbag.

My dept still issues a few of the older 14's to supervisors. They work well and are very reliable. They do get HOT very quickly though.

If Ruger would drop the price $150 and redesign them to take standard AR mags they would sell 100k of them a year. Problem is people aren't willing to pay AR prices for one, myself included.

CJStudent
06-30-2012, 17:31
I guess I'll be the lone dissenter. I used them when I worked state corrections; they were our tower guns. Accuracy was okay out to 100-150 yards, but opened WAY up after that. I thought the mag loading was a bit awkward (AK-style, but from a non-pistol-grip rifle just felt weird). Plus, as others have said, they got hot quickly.

Admittedly, it may just have been the cheap, worn out ones the state DOC had that ruined me on them, or my previous military training with the M16. Moot point for me, though; current (fed) agency issues M16s and M4s of various flavors.

The_Gun_Guru
06-30-2012, 18:00
I bought this Mini-14 GB model from Bud's for $499....it is a Nebraska State Patrol trade-in:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/MISC%20Rifles/Mini-14%20GB%20Model/346005616_photobucket_13672_.jpg

Would I reccomend it as a FIRST rifle? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Your first rifle should be something simple, reliable and easy to maintain. What fits that category you might ask?

AK-47!!!:wavey:

Most people would suggest a .22 as your first rifle.....if you're 10! If you are an adult, an AK is the perfect choice. My first was a Norinco Type 56S....and I still own it to this day!

I would suggest a WASR-10. They are affordable and reliable and are fun to shoot. Ease of maintenance is the biggest plus for these guns. They will run forever if you clean them on a regular basis.

Good luck in your search.


TGG

DFin
06-30-2012, 19:14
I have 2 thin barrel models. One Ranch & one regular. They are reliable & accurate enough to pop balloons at 150 yards even when the barrels are too hot to touch.

ADK_40GLKr
07-01-2012, 05:53
OP, I was in your boat about 6 months ago, and went to a local Gun Show. And I found one! Made in 1982, thin barrel, wood stock. It was in very good condition with original box and papers. $525 cash deal.

I take it to the range once in a while. Loud, but almost no felt recoil.

The older ones at least, have a reputation for NOT having "minute of angle accuracy", but it's still a fun gun to shoot.

Not a gun I keep handy for HD, though, as my 16 ga loaded with #1 buck and my G27 fill that role. It'll be one I pass along to one of the boys, though.

Aceman
07-01-2012, 08:41
A great gun in .223 for the non-AR fan.

Again - it is a gun with a purpose, and that purpose is NOT tack driving. That said, I'd never want to be on the business end of one at 2-3 hundred yards!

I also agree that for the price, i generally don't dig it. However - an older one plus an accu-strut, or a newer one plus some cash, either way. A super reliable all around shooter.

And, a couple of points:
- How many mags do you REALLY need?
- There are tons of accessories to tweek with, like the sights shown up above, accu-strut, etc...

Stevekozak
07-01-2012, 09:10
I like my ARs, but I love my lightly-customized Mini-14. The Clark Custom Gun Works laminated stock is mostly for looks...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/badge315/Guns%20-%20Shooting/CIMG1547a.jpg

...but I made some improvements to the sights which resulted in a significant increase in accuracy. I replaced the old style Ranch Rifle flip-up rear leaf with a Williams Receiver Sight...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/badge315/Guns%20-%20Shooting/Mini-14rearsight.jpg

...and replaced the front sight blade with an XS front sight for an AR...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/badge315/Guns%20-%20Shooting/Mini-14frontsight.jpg
How difficult was it to change out those sights, and where did you purchase them? I really do like that front sight better than a standard "post".

Washingtonrebel
07-01-2012, 09:42
Thought I would jump in here, I am curious about the sights too.

Mine is a Ranch style and I don't know if I want a scope on it or upgrade the open sights.

arclight610
07-01-2012, 10:03
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/rockman42/Gunz/Archangel8.jpg

I like this Mini 14

Line Rider
07-01-2012, 11:53
:supergrin:

I won't suggest one, I'll just point out that
1) you can get a AR for about the same price,
2) AR mags are MUCH cheaper,

I've had several mini 14's since the 1980's. It's a decent rifle if you want a truck and ranch gun. The Mini 14 is a so so patrol rifle. It's NOT a battle rifle.

It you want add on and tacticool buy and AR-15.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

ca survivor
07-01-2012, 12:33
Had one, now I have an AR.........

badge315
07-01-2012, 14:24
How difficult was it to change out those sights, and where did you purchase them? I really do like that front sight better than a standard "post".

The rear sight, which I purchased from Brownells, was a snap. Just unscrew the allen-head screw holding the factory sight in place, remove and replace with the Williams sight.

The front was a little more involved and required the services of a gunsmith. I had the front sight blade ground off of the aftermarket flash hider, had a hole drilled and tapped and the new front sight blade installed in its place. But it's fixed; it can't be rotated and adjusted for elevation like an AR front sight.

GWG19
07-01-2012, 14:53
Had one also, now have AR's. I have been thinking about a mini 30 for a while now. Basic problem with them is not reliability but accuracy. Ruger has taken steps to improve the accuracy, and there are after market harmonic devices and barrel wraps to improve accuracy. You don't see any of this voodo and black magic for the AR's.

countrygun
07-01-2012, 14:54
Mine is K-9 approved.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/000_0011.jpg

Shark1007
07-01-2012, 18:00
Here's my thought... I have had the AR's and Mini's and I actually donated my AR to my local police department so they would have a SHTF gun. They are a small department who would have to call the S.O. for help if an active shooter call occured, etc. There's nothing wrong with the AR platform.

When I was in the Army, we trained with M-16's. I didn't hate 'em or love 'em. I remember we all laughed when cleaning and one of the issue weapons had "Mattel" stamped on foregrip.

I later went to Sniper School at Benning and we used a modified M-14 called XM21.

I had experience with Garands in Military school as a kid.

My decision was based on familiarity, training and experience. I chose Mini 14 as a home defense weapon and feel it's less likely to jam, and if it does, easier to clear. It seems simpler and more familiar with a more natural point of aim.

That's my story.

The_Gun_Guru
07-01-2012, 18:54
Had one, now I have an AR.........

SOLD the AR - KEPT the Mini-14!:wavey:


I also kept the ten AKs!


TGG

FireForged
07-01-2012, 22:48
I found my 195 series to be unacceptable (accuracey wise) after one 20round magazine. I still own it and it has been 100% reliable but if I do shoot it... its 5rounds then wait a while... 5 rounds then wait a while. Havent shot it in over 12years.

Bob Hafler
07-02-2012, 04:55
Be forewarned that someone will inevitably come by to suggest an AR Instead. They don't get that the appeal of the Mini is directly tied to the fact that it ISN'T an AR.

:rofl:Happens everytime without fail.:dunno:

Stevekozak
07-02-2012, 05:55
:rofl:Happens everytime without fail.:dunno:
No, it is full of fail..... :) I keep thinking about a mini. One of these days I will pop on it. I think more than anything, the thing that stops me is thinking of building up a supply of reliable mags for it. If only they took an AR mag, I have plenty of those!!

Bob Hafler
07-02-2012, 09:21
No, it is full of fail..... :) I keep thinking about a mini. One of these days I will pop on it. I think more than anything, the thing that stops me is thinking of building up a supply of reliable mags for it. If only they took an AR mag, I have plenty of those!!

If you ever do pop on one,Get the ruger mags. There very well made and work as advertised. IMO worth every penny. I like the way the 20 round mags feel in the rifle.

Psychman
07-02-2012, 09:47
I don't need a "battle rifle", but I wanted a reliable semi-auto carbine to add to my "arsenal". I chose the Mini 14 with wood stocks, open iron sites. It works for me. I have a scoped Savage Arms in .308 to reach out and touch hostiles if needed.

Oh, and I agree with getting the Ruger mags. Why mess around with potentially inferior mags not working when you need them the most. You will have no problems with the Ruger mags.

45caldan
07-02-2012, 10:04
Just get a newer one with the heavier bbl.
And ONLY buy Ruger mags!!!!!

wjv
07-02-2012, 10:19
Summed it up nicely. I have an earlier thin barrel that I chose to keep and let my AR go. I know myself well enough that I am going to end up with another Mini.

Same here.

I have a barely used Colt AR MATCH HBAR I want to get rid of, and replace it with a second Mini. My current Mini is an older vintage, but it has the Accu-strut added to deal with the string issue found on the older minis.

wjv
07-02-2012, 10:20
I found my 195 series to be unacceptable (accuracey wise) after one 20round magazine. I still own it and it has been 100% reliable but if I do shoot it... its 5rounds then wait a while... 5 rounds then wait a while. Havent shot it in over 12years.

Install an ACCU-STRUT (or similar product)

It will fix that problem. . .

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i303/bcvojak/RVNet/P1030364b.jpg