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dango
06-30-2012, 23:33
Well , it seems some of us forget what America is all about . The
way some talk about liberals or conservatives independents included , we are a country divided. The big "O" turned out to be nothing but a two face. Bush , decided to have a couple of wars and forget to pay for them, not good for the deficit .
4-trillion or so . Wall street , lobbyists , a government bought and payed for. It's no one man's or party fault. It's our fault for voting these people in for not standing together . We have a voice we have numbers and we are not helpless.

You've got the richest of the rich with accounts in other countries to avoid paying their fare share in taxes.There are billionaires paying less taxes than you do , the working lower middle class.

The liberal anti-guners ,that's their choice , let them be targets if they choose.I will be there no matter what if you need me and you don't even have to thank me.

I am an American and I believe in this country and it's people
' it's what I and many others fought for , the American way of
life and all the people here that consider them selves Americans.

BLACKMAGICK
07-01-2012, 03:08
Well , it seems some of us forget what America is all about . The
way some talk about liberals or conservatives independents included , we are a country divided. The big "O" turned out to be nothing but a two face. Bush , decided to have a couple of wars and forget to pay for them, not good for the deficit .
4-trillion or so . Wall street , lobbyists , a government bought and payed for. It's no one man's or party fault. It's our fault for voting these people in for not standing together . We have a voice we have numbers and we are not helpless.

You've got the richest of the rich with accounts in other countries to avoid paying their fare share in taxes.There are billionaires paying less taxes than you do , the working lower middle class.

The liberal anti-guners ,that's their choice , let them be targets if they choose.I will be there no matter what if you need me and you don't even have to thank me.

I am an American and I believe in this country and it's people
' it's what I and many others fought for , the American way of
life and all the people here that consider them selves Americans.

I agree with ya, except those ye speak of in your last paragraph...I think those numbers are dwindling, else how else could you explain O's poll numbers? He should be polling like IDK...12% :whistling:

aircarver
07-01-2012, 06:25
Obamao's poll numbers are pretty indicative of how many people he's got on 'his' payroll with 'our' money .... :steamed:

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beforeobamabans
07-01-2012, 06:47
Well , it seems some of us forget what America is all about . The
way some talk about liberals or conservatives independents included , we are a country divided. It's our fault for voting these people in for not standing together . We have a voice we have numbers and we are not helpless.

When I watch a constituency purposely return a crook like Charlie Rangel to office, it confirms that we are hopelessly divided between workers and slackers. I will do everything in my power to find and elect candidates who will fight the Rangels of our political elite on every front. There can be no compromise with those who seek to steal from America's productive class. Various conservative leaders have proven this over and over again by agreeing to tax increases in exchange for promises of spending cuts which never seem to materialize. This is why we jettison a Richard Lugar for Richard Mourdock, for example. Fight fire with fire.

smokin762
07-01-2012, 07:00
Yes, this country is divided. It has been for years.

Some of us are proud of and want to continue our American heritage of life.

While some want us to be more like Europe. I take it as they would have fought for the British during the Revolutionary War. :upeyes:

JFrame
07-01-2012, 13:14
Yes, this country is divided. It has been for years.

Some of us are proud of and want to continue our American heritage of life.

While some want us to be more like Europe. I take it as they would have fought for the British during the Revolutionary War. :upeyes:

Interesting point -- the statist-leftists of today are the royalists/ loyalists of yesteryear. They're just picking a different tyrant for whom to bow.


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maxsnafu
07-01-2012, 13:55
When I watch a constituency purposely return a crook like Charlie Rangel to office, it confirms that we are hopelessly divided between workers and slackers. I will do everything in my power to find and elect candidates who will fight the Rangels of our political elite on every front. There can be no compromise with those who seek to steal from America's productive class. Various conservative leaders have proven this over and over again by agreeing to tax increases in exchange for promises of spending cuts which never seem to materialize. This is why we jettison a Richard Lugar for Richard Mourdock, for example. Fight fire with fire.

Mourdock is great but we're never going to vote our way out of this mess. We are outnumbered. Our only options are to either be a drain on the system to crash it or break up the country into Liberal & Conservative zones. We were doomed when people realized they could vote themselves some of someone else's money.

beforeobamabans
07-01-2012, 14:33
Our only options are to either be a drain on the system to crash it or break up the country into Liberal & Conservative zones.
Interesting perspective. You are saying you've given up on our political system. I'm not quite that far along but...

I am at an inflection point being within five years of retirement and becoming a "drain on the system". For 40 years I have voted for less government in an effort to save the system. Such a vote today is directly contrary to my own economic interests. I have made the statement that this was the final year that I voted for the country's best interests over my own. I now take a close look at each candidates' position on social security and if I am honest with myself, it really should be my top political priority.

W420Hunter
07-01-2012, 14:51
Well , it seems some of us forget what America is all about . The
way some talk about liberals or conservatives independents included , we are a country divided. The big "O" turned out to be nothing but a two face. Bush , decided to have a couple of wars and forget to pay for them, not good for the deficit .
4-trillion or so . Wall street , lobbyists , a government bought and payed for. It's no one man's or party fault. It's our fault for voting these people in for not standing together . We have a voice we have numbers and we are not helpless.

You've got the richest of the rich with accounts in other countries to avoid paying their fare share in taxes.There are billionaires paying less taxes than you do , the working lower middle class.

The liberal anti-guners ,that's their choice , let them be targets if they choose.I will be there no matter what if you need me and you don't even have to thank me.

I am an American and I believe in this country and it's people
' it's what I and many others fought for , the American way of
life and all the people here that consider them selves Americans.

You confuse the hell out of me. The 2ed line comes across liberal as hell. I mean what the hell is "there fair share"? Do you really understand tax code, cause I have a feeling you do not. And the hole liberal anti-gunners one I can not understand at all.

maxsnafu
07-01-2012, 16:57
Interesting perspective. You are saying you've given up on our political system.

Yes. It's easy to believe in American democracy--until you spend five minutes talking to the average voter. Watch "Jaywalking" on The Tonight Show. You'll see what I mean.

Guss
07-01-2012, 17:54
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_politics

Ruble Noon
07-01-2012, 18:17
Yes. It's easy to believe in American democracy--until you spend five minutes talking to the average voter. Watch "Jaywalking" on The Tonight Show. You'll see what I mean.

You know I always wondered where they found those people until last Independence day when I quizzed my nephew, college graduate, and my niece, straight A student who was preparing to enter college, on things pertaining to our independence. :faint::faint:

HexHead
07-01-2012, 18:50
Every day I move closer to becoming a dedicated secessionist, believing we need to split the country along idealogical lines. I'm effin sick and tired of people in the blue states having any input whatsoever in how I need to or should live my life. Their values are as different to mine as apples to chimpanzees. This isn't the America I grew up in any longer.

beforeobamabans
07-01-2012, 18:51
Yes. It's easy to believe in American democracy--until you spend five minutes talking to the average voter. Watch "Jaywalking" on The Tonight Show. You'll see what I mean.

Oh, I'm fully aware of the dumbed-down electorate. I see it all around me every day. But these very voters only need leadership to vote properly. We have no leadership on the political right.

G17Jake
07-01-2012, 19:35
When I watch a constituency purposely return a crook like Charlie Rangel to office, it confirms that we are hopelessly divided between workers and slackers.

Ballot issues arise after Rangel's apparent primary win

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/30/ballot-issues-arise-after-rangels-apparent-primary-win/


Still.... I know what you mean. It shouldn't even be close. I don't know anything about his challenger, but could he be worse than Rangel?

smokin762
07-01-2012, 20:47
Interesting point -- the statist-leftists of today are the royalists/ loyalists of yesteryear. They're just picking a different tyrant for whom to bow.


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One would think that the Socialist of this country would learn from Europe’s mistakes. Their economy is another failure with free handouts. That bus is dropping below 50 MPH and we know what is going to happen.

countrygun
07-01-2012, 21:36
Well , it seems some of us forget what America is all about . The
way some talk about liberals or conservatives independents included , we are a country divided. The big "O" turned out to be nothing but a two face. Bush , decided to have a couple of wars and forget to pay for them, not good for the deficit .

Yes we should have let Saddam control as much of the middle east and the oil as he wanted, what harm could that have done?:dunno:

For the life of me I don't understand why he got so upset about radical islamic terrorists, most of them just want to improve their future in paradise, so they have to kill Americans to get there. We had no businees getting bent about 9/11.


4-trillion or so . Wall street , lobbyists , a government bought and payed for. It's no one man's or party fault. It's our fault for voting these people in for not standing together . We have a voice we have numbers and we are not helpless.

The flaw as I see it is that 2 or 3 generations have become educationally detached from the basic priciples and ideas behind this Country, their minds have been left blank to be filled in by whatever "shiny" rhetoric catches their eye. It is kind of hard to "stand together" with a bunch of window lickering waterheads who think "From those with the greatest ability to those with the greatest need" comes from the US Constitution.

You've got the richest of the rich with accounts in other countries to avoid paying their fare share in taxes.There are billionaires paying less taxes than you do , the working lower middle class.

It is such a shame that the people who employ so many others, create jobs for thousands of taxpayers think that they are entitled to such huge profits. It should be up to us to tell them how much they can make. Since the representative of the people in such matters is the Government it should be up to the Government to decide how much they make and the political party in power would be able to induce and campaign donations by raising and lowering the number. that is the way it's
done now with tax rates anyway and the way it will be done as long as there are politicians and money.

The liberal anti-guners ,that's their choice , let them be targets if they choose.I will be there no matter what if you need me and you don't even have to thank me.

I am an American and I believe in this country and it's people
' it's what I and many others fought for , the American way of
life and all the people here that consider them selves Americans.


We have much work to do to correct this Country, but to think that electing "this" or "that" person in Washington is going to bring about the change is a waste of time. WE have to change, WE have to change our school board, City Council,County Commission. WE have to change OURSELVES and stand up at every little crossroad we reach and do the right thing even if it is the hard thing. We (not politicians) make changes one,of our own, small decisions at a time.

USMCSergeant
07-01-2012, 21:46
You've got the richest of the rich with accounts in other countries to avoid paying their fare share in taxes.There are billionaires paying less taxes than you do , the working lower middle class.



This is where we differ. Billionaires may be paying less income taxes than me, but do they have an income? Or are you speaking of capital gains taxes? Billionaires also make up only a fraction of a percent in relation to our population. In my opinion keeping their taxes down, especially on capital gains taxes, allows them to invest with less risk. How much in true taxes do you think these billionaires pay per year in sales/property taxes?

As for the rich that do have an income. They pay 100% of the income tax burden as the lower 50% of earners pay no net income taxes. 0, zip. After tax refunds and credits for mortgages or children etc etc, the only people that do "pay their fair" share are the rich. In my opinion they are taxed too much! I'd like to see a flat tax where everyone pays a share. That is truly "fair".. would you agree? Should wealth be punished? What is the drive to become successful in this nation if all you have to look forward to is your tax responsibility being tripled?

JFrame
07-01-2012, 22:18
One would think that the Socialist of this country would learn from Europe’s mistakes. Their economy is another failure with free handouts. That bus is dropping below 50 MPH and we know what is going to happen.


Some leftists, I believe, would be more than happy to bring any relatively self-sustaining system come crashing down in some global anarchic macrocosm of the OWS "movement" -- no real vision as to what comes "after," other than some vague notion of everyone munching on lotus petals, hugging Gaea, and cavorting with dolphins.

The other leftists live in that perpetual smug arrogance (and ignorance) of believing that they are the ones that can make socialism work "properly," in the face of all historical evidence to the contrary.


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countrygun
07-01-2012, 22:43
This is where we differ. Billionaires may be paying less income taxes than me, but do they have an income? Or are you speaking of capital gains taxes? Billionaires also make up only a fraction of a percent in relation to our population. In my opinion keeping their taxes down, especially on capital gains taxes, allows them to invest with less risk. How much in true taxes do you think these billionaires pay per year in sales/property taxes?

As for the rich that do have an income. They pay 100% of the income tax burden as the lower 50% of earners pay no net income taxes. 0, zip. After tax refunds and credits for mortgages or children etc etc, the only people that do "pay their fair" share are the rich. In my opinion they are taxed too much! I'd like to see a flat tax where everyone pays a share. That is truly "fair".. would you agree? Should wealth be punished? What is the drive to become successful in this nation if all you have to look forward to is your tax responsibility being tripled?

I think the current trend being foisted of on the public is worrisome. 'the Rich, the rich, we aren't happy because they aren't paying enough"

the rich are a minority, and I get nervous when people, including the President blame a minority of the people for the Countries economic problems. Thank heaven "the rich" aren't all Jewish, or it would be a rather haunting echo.

Fred Hansen
07-01-2012, 23:16
Well , it seems some of us forget what America is all about.There are entire (permanently welfare dependant) families in this country--4 generations deep, sometimes 5--who don't have the first clue "what America is all about" a person can't forget what they never knew. They act as a cancer on America. Their uncontrolled self-replicating parasitic entitlement bleeds this country dry. The bureaucratic hordes of human infrastructure necessary to service their every need, want, and entitlement, has bankrupted us beyond 5 generations worth of the producer's ability to finance it.

There are millions of illegal aliens swarming in this country, in order to rape, kidnap, murder, and sell illegal narcotics to effete liberal ****bags, and to the aforementioned welfare class. They not only don't know what America is about, they actively seek to destroy it; and they do so with the full force of the United States government backing their play. The backward ideas, and culture they bring with them, are toxic to humankind. The only sensible response to vermin of that nature is the anihilation of same. Instead, our goverment provides them state-of-the-art weaponry to use against us!!!.

Despite the revisionist history taught in government mandated (there's that mandate word again... hmm) public indoctrination camps, America was never about accepting dependency as one's vocation. Nor was America about "spreading the wealth around". America has always been the antithesis of those retrograde ideas. America became the greatest nation ever known by holding those backward ideas in contempt, and holding ideals of liberty, freedom, and justice in the highest regard; as beacons to lead the benighted masses up out of their sorry state, and into the light.

When I was 17 I swore an oath to defend my country. So I won't be singing kumbyaa with her enemies--foreign or domestic--anytime soon. And I most certainly won't characterize their treachery/treason/sedition as simply being an alternative viewpoint.

If that makes me a divider, then so be it.

YMMV

maxsnafu
07-02-2012, 05:45
Oh, I'm fully aware of the dumbed-down electorate. I see it all around me every day. But these very voters only need leadership to vote properly. We have no leadership on the political right.

How is leadership going to entice people to vote to curtail programs that benefit them like Soc. Sec. & Medicare? Every geriatric I've ever seen queried want their benefits as is and they really don't seem to care if the young have to starve--and remember, they vote. Many soft-headed young people want these same benefits maintained for the elderly too, blissfully unaware of the impending financial train wreck.
Single women, who tend to be Liberal, support every giveaway program in existence.

Fixing this nation's problems would require serious self-sacrifice across the board. Have you ever seen even a hint of evidence that a majority is so inclined? I haven't.

aircarver
07-02-2012, 05:48
... When I was 17 I swore an oath to defend my country. So I won't be singing kumbyaa with her enemies--foreign or domestic--anytime soon. And I most certainly won't characterize their treachery/treason/sedition as simply being an alternative viewpoint.

If that makes me a divider, then so be it.

YMMV

:thumbsup:

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engineer151515
07-02-2012, 06:06
Bush decided to have a couple of wars and forget to pay for them, not good for the deficit .
4-trillion or so .


Really? I thought that decision was made for us when 3000 American civilians were killed on 9/11/01.

Difference of opinion, I suppose.

Perhaps you had a better plan that avoided war or involved "Leading from behind" like the current Administration which, for the budget conscience, has added 6 trillion dollars in public debt in 3 short years without ending the Afghanistan conflict.

smokin762
07-02-2012, 07:26
Some leftists, I believe, would be more than happy to bring any relatively self-sustaining system come crashing down in some global anarchic macrocosm of the OWS "movement" -- no real vision as to what comes "after," other than some vague notion of everyone munching on lotus petals, hugging Gaea, and cavorting with dolphins.

The other leftists live in that perpetual smug arrogance (and ignorance) of believing that they are the ones that can make socialism work "properly," in the face of all historical evidence to the contrary.


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I would agree.

Fred Hansen
07-02-2012, 10:35
:thumbsup:

.:cheers:

aircarver
07-02-2012, 12:47
:beer::beer:

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