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wrx04
07-01-2012, 16:47
This is a spin-off of the .22 rifle thread. I dont need a .22 rifle, but i want one. It will be my only .22 rifle, and i want one that will last a lifetime.....something to teach my kids to shoot once that time comes.

The price is not a huge factor, but i'd like to keep the entire gun (with optics) under $2k. Would you prefer an anschutz bolt gun or a 10/22 that i have some money left to modify? Maybe a tac-sol threaded barrel, VQ trigger, nice scope, and potentially a suppressor in the future.

Or get a nice anschutz that is well built and classic looking. Put on a nice scope and call it good. (Can you add a suppressor to these?)

Bob Hafler
07-01-2012, 17:46
This is a spin-off of the .22 rifle thread. I dont need a .22 rifle, but i want one. It will be my only .22 rifle, and i want one that will last a lifetime.....something to teach my kids to shoot once that time comes.

The price is not a huge factor, but i'd like to keep the entire gun (with optics) under $2k. Would you prefer an anschutz bolt gun or a 10/22 that i have some money left to modify? Maybe a tac-sol threaded barrel, VQ trigger, nice scope, and potentially a suppressor in the future.

Or get a nice anschutz that is well built and classic looking. Put on a nice scope and call it good. (Can you add a suppressor to these?)

For the kind of money your talking you could buy each one of your kids there own 10/22 that they could do whatever they wanted to with it as far as accsessories. Many 10/22 have lasted long enough to be passed down from father to son. The options for these rifles are never ending and not likely to change anytime soon. There as popular now as they ever were. JMHO

hogship
07-01-2012, 18:27
For the kind of money your talking you could buy each one of your kids there own 10/22 that they could do whatever they wanted to with it as far as accsessories. Many 10/22 have lasted long enough to be passed down from father to son. The options for these rifles are never ending and not likely to change anytime soon. There as popular now as they ever were. JMHO

This is exactly what I've done. The 10/22 with the Hogue overmold stock is mine, and the one below that, with the folding stock, is for my two sons to use.

ooc

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1425902/112839044.jpg

cysoto
07-01-2012, 18:50
That is a very unfair comparison. The Ruger 10/22 is nowhere near the same league as an Anschütz (especially if you are talking about a 54 action) but for the Anschütz to really shine, you have to feed it a steady diet of good ammo where the 10/22 will shoot any crap ammo you feed it (though sometimes with less-than-stellar results).

If you are looking for a rifle to teach the kids how to shoot, a Ruger 10/22 will most probably be your best choice. If you are looking for a top-notch competition rifle, an Anschütz 54 is the way to go.

AK_Stick
07-01-2012, 18:57
Depends what you want?

A rifle to blast cans around the back yard? 10-22 hands down.


Rifle to teach the kids to shoot, and drive tacks/have backyard competitions with? Anschutz or CZ by far.


I've got a CZ 452, and I've yet to find a 10-22 that can hang with it, without spending a whooooole lot of money.

Bruce M
07-01-2012, 18:59
For the price of an Anschutz you could probably get a Chipmunk (or similar) to start the children when they are too young/small for a full size rifle, some sort of full size bolt action like a CZ 452 for them to graduate to and a 10/22 when they want to shoot faster (and you think they are old enough to do that.) I believe the Anschutz is a better rifle and I think they look nicer than any of the above but I am not certain that the quality of the rifle is necessary to teach children.

RJ's Guns
07-01-2012, 19:25
I have a number of different Anschutz 22LR Sporting rifles and several Volquartsen 22LR auto-loaders (not Ruger 10/22 rifles bastardized with Volquartsen parts, but Volquartsen manufactured 10/22 type rifles). In my experience, the Anschutz 54 match cylinder action rifles tend to be a little bit more accurate than the Volquartsen rifles but not by much. 1/8” – 1/16” maximum at 50 yards and usually less.

I find that I prefer to shoot my Volquartsen rifles more than my Anschutz sporting rifles because I find an extremely accurate auto-loader more fun than an extremely accurate bolt-action repeater. You may find that a Volquartsen rifle is just what you are looking for. For your price point and purpose, I would counsel against bastardizing a Ruger 10/22 with Volquartsen parts and suggest that you get the real deal.

https://www.volquartsen.com/ (https://www.volquartsen.com/)

RJ

wrx04
07-01-2012, 19:41
Thanks for the replies.

I should state i dont have any kids yet. I just got married earlier this month, so it will be awhile before our kids (God willing) are old enough.

This will be my gun. I want a nice, quality rifle that i can shoot a lot (affordably) for the next 50 years.

This one seems like the ticket:
http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?produktID=188&menu=106&sprache=1&produktShow=detail

Metal Angel
07-01-2012, 19:50
For the money you are talking about, you could split the difference and get a Ruger 77/22 bolt action. I have no experience with them, but have always wanted one. It just costs too much for my purposes.

Truly, my recommendation is still a 10/22.

wrx04
07-01-2012, 19:51
I have a number of different Anschutz 22LR Sporting rifles and several Volquartsen 22LR auto-loaders (not Ruger 10/22 rifles bastardized with Volquartsen parts, but Volquartsen manufactured 10/22 type rifles). In my experience, the Anschutz 54 match cylinder action rifles tend to be a little bit more accurate than the Volquartsen rifles but not by much. 1/8” – 1/16” maximum at 50 yards and usually less.

I find that I prefer to shoot my Volquartsen rifles more than my Anschutz sporting rifles because I find an extremely accurate auto-loader more fun than an extremely accurate bolt-action repeater. You may find that a Volquartsen rifle is just what you are looking for. For your price point and purpose, I would counsel against bastardizing a Ruger 10/22 with Volquartsen parts and suggest that you get the real deal.

https://www.volquartsen.com/ (https://www.volquartsen.com/)

RJ

I checked out the volquartsen website. Those look nice. Are there ANY ruger parts left in those guns at all, or is everything made by vq?

RJ's Guns
07-01-2012, 21:12
I checked out the volquartsen website. Those look nice. Are there ANY ruger parts left in those guns at all, or is everything made by vq?

No Ruger parts whatsoever. Everything is top quality Volquartsen, Day and night difference from Ruger.
RJ

RJ's Guns
07-01-2012, 21:21
Thanks for the replies.

I should state i dont have any kids yet. I just got married earlier this month, so it will be awhile before our kids (God willing) are old enough.

This will be my gun. I want a nice, quality rifle that i can shoot a lot (affordably) for the next 50 years.

This one seems like the ticket:
http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?produktID=188&menu=106&sprache=1&produktShow=detail

I have an Anschutz 1416 and it is a nice rifle but the "64" action is nowhere near as good as the 54 match cylinder action. In my opinion you would be better served to spend the extra money and get a 1710
http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?produktID=207&menu=106&sprache=1&produktShow=detail

I got the Meistergrade 1710 and it is very nice
http://www.championshooters.com/Anschutz-sp.htm

RJ

Caladan
07-01-2012, 21:26
You might look at the Weatherby MK XXII (not the older semi-auto version), which is an Anschutz action in a Weatherby stock. I don't think they are produced any more, but you might be able to find some still in stock at places like Gander Mtn.. A few years ago, they were less expensive than an equivelant Anschutz. They are more accurate than other rifles such as the Ruger 77 and the CZ 452. I know because I used to own them as well.

If you are wanting a semi-auto and don't want to spend VQ money, then just get a Ruger 10/22, add a nice stock and barrel (consider threaded) along with a Kidd trigger, and call it a day. I will also say that my bone-stock 10/22 will shoot sub-MOA groups out to 70 yards (the farthest I've shot it so far) when using Eley match ammo.....

wrx04
07-01-2012, 21:48
I have an Anschutz 1416 and it is a nice rifle but the "64" action is nowhere near as good as the 54 match cylinder action. In my opinion you would be better served to spend the extra money and get a 1710
http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?produktID=207&menu=106&sprache=1&produktShow=detail

I got the Meistergrade 1710 and it is very nice
http://www.championshooters.com/Anschutz-sp.htm

RJ

Thanks for the help, RJ. I will make sure i get the 54 action. I like the 1710D HB classic heavy barrel. What scope do you run on yours?

wrx04
07-01-2012, 21:49
How far can a .22 rifle hold groups if shooting outside? 100 yards?

hogship
07-01-2012, 21:58
How far can a .22 rifle hold groups if shooting outside? 100 yards?

Depends on what you mean by "hold groups"........a 22 will start to deteriorate in accuracy pretty rapidly past about 75yds, or so.......but, still accurate enough at that distance to nail something small, like a gopher.......

ooc

This is 25 yards with my Marlin 880SQ. I didn't write it down at the time, but I think this was using Wolf Match Target ammunition:
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/3935549/48491188.jpg

RJ's Guns
07-01-2012, 22:20
Thanks for the help, RJ. I will make sure i get the 54 action. I like the 1710D HB classic heavy barrel. What scope do you run on yours?


I like low powered variable range scopes because I like to shoot off-hand. My 1710 is buried in one of my vaults and I have not shot it for several months but my best guess is I have a 1.25-4 X with a 30mm tube on it or a 1.5-5X. I usually get a scope with as large of an Ocular Bell Diameteras I can get, as want as much light gathering ability as possible. I know that for a while, I had a 1.2-5x scope on it with an Ocular Bell Diameter of 42mm but I may have put that scope on something else.

RJ

SDDL-UP
07-01-2012, 22:39
wrk04,

If you're willing to spend $2,000 - go with an Anschutz!

10/22's are okay guns and everything, but it sounds like an Anschutz is more in line with what you're looking for. You might also check out a CZ-452 American or FS version - also very nice rifles.

AK_Stick
07-01-2012, 22:50
How far can a .22 rifle hold groups if shooting outside? 100 yards?



I knocked a crow down at a laser measured 154 today on the first shot.




It takes a little skill but a 22 can deliver the goods a whole lot further out than most people can shoot it.