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Gunhaver
07-02-2012, 16:39
I asked this question to a member on another thread;
"Are people that don't fall lockstep in line with your political ideology not good enough to help support R2BA? Can you just do without us?"

And to my surprise I got this answer;
"No I don't welcome socialists into our ranks because I know that someday you will want to turn the governments gun in my direction."

Wow. I make an effort to step outside the gun owner echo chamber and bring in people from other political leanings and being the hardcore leftist that so many here have pegged me as I know a lot of people that actually are hardcore leftists and I've turned them onto shooting. Lots of people over many years.

I tend to not think in black and white "yer wit us or yer agin us" mentality and actually realize that there are blue dog democrats that have good voting records where gun control is concerned. I know because I've voted for a few of them. It's often my single issue. I like to think that bringing more people into our hobby might affect the way they vote and maybe they'll look for those candidates if they want to enjoy the new firearm they just bought. Dunno, seems like a good way to go about it.

What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?

Cavalry Doc
07-02-2012, 17:06
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/thGTTrollPost-1.gifI asked this question to a member on another thread;
"Are people that don't fall lockstep in line with your political ideology not good enough to help support R2BA? Can you just do without us?"

And to my surprise I got this answer;
"No I don't welcome socialists into our ranks because I know that someday you will want to turn the governments gun in my direction."

Wow. I make an effort to step outside the gun owner echo chamber and bring in people from other political leanings and being the hardcore leftist that so many here have pegged me as I know a lot of people that actually are hardcore leftists and I've turned them onto shooting. Lots of people over many years.

I tend to not think in black and white "yer wit us or yer agin us" mentality and actually realize that there are blue dog democrats that have good voting records where gun control is concerned. I know because I've voted for a few of them. It's often my single issue. I like to think that bringing more people into our hobby might affect the way they vote and maybe they'll look for those candidates if they want to enjoy the new firearm they just bought. Dunno, seems like a good way to go about it.

What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?




We know you. That's at least one. Don't be so touchy. I noticed you didn't even mention my response to you, and took out of context the response from another poster that you quoted. Clever how you clipped that quote to put it into the best light to illustrate your victimhood.

Which led me to dig up the pic above.

AlexHassin
07-02-2012, 17:09
i agree with you but it also goes both ways

I had a liberal girlfreind that refused to learn how to use a gun becuse " im a liberal"

Ruble Noon
07-02-2012, 17:12
I asked this question to a member on another thread;
"Are people that don't fall lockstep in line with your political ideology not good enough to help support R2BA? Can you just do without us?"

And to my surprise I got this answer;
"No I don't welcome socialists into our ranks because I know that someday you will want to turn the governments gun in my direction."

Wow. I make an effort to step outside the gun owner echo chamber and bring in people from other political leanings and being the hardcore leftist that so many here have pegged me as I know a lot of people that actually are hardcore leftists and I've turned them onto shooting. Lots of people over many years.

I tend to not think in black and white "yer wit us or yer agin us" mentality and actually realize that there are blue dog democrats that have good voting records where gun control is concerned. I know because I've voted for a few of them. It's often my single issue. I like to think that bringing more people into our hobby might affect the way they vote and maybe they'll look for those candidates if they want to enjoy the new firearm they just bought. Dunno, seems like a good way to go about it.

What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?

Yes I do. Socialists such as yourself, no.

janice6
07-02-2012, 17:22
Yes I do. Others often feel they are responsible for their own safety.

Odd though, they don't want their friends to know.

Gunhaver
07-02-2012, 17:27
We know you. That's at least one. Don't be so touchy. I noticed you didn't even mention my response to you, and took out of context the response from another poster that you quoted. Clever how you clipped that quote to put it into the best light to illustrate your victimhood.

Which led me to dig up the pic above.

Out of context that didn't really change the meaning of what I did post. All in the interest of brevity. I know, not really my thing but still. Link to the full post if you think it's so scandalous. And I didn't mention you? Aw, poor guy. Who thinks highly of himself now?

sbhaven
07-02-2012, 17:28
There are plenty of liberal gun owners. Go look at the DU gun forum. There are more than a few liberals who understand and support 2A.

However, while they may claim to support gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment, those very same liberal/progressive gun owners continually vote for politicians who would love nothing more than to grab their guns along with yours and mine. :steamed:

One must remember that as crazy as we think many of them are, many of them think the same way about anyone who doesn't share their progressive views.

Cavalry Doc
07-02-2012, 17:31
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/thGTTrollPost-1.gifOut of context that didn't really change the meaning of what I did post. All in the interest of brevity. I know, not really my thing but still. Link to the full post if you think it's so scandalous. And I didn't mention you? Aw, poor guy. Who thinks highly of himself now?

Didn't really? Had to quantify that? But it did change what he said. Sometimes, honesty is better than brevity. You didn't link to the thread either, which would have been a reasonable move.

Not mentioning me was not an issue of me feeling left out, but an issue of you failing to mention that you also got support, also changing what would have been an honest representation of the conversation. Lies of omission are still lies.

I have an assignment for you.



http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/bartsimpson.gif

600 times please.

series1811
07-02-2012, 17:33
It's not that there are not liberals who don't like to shoot. There are. I know some. It's that they would trade that right to shoot and own guns for other things more important to them as liberals.

Like socialism. :supergrin:

427
07-02-2012, 17:35
I asked this question to a member on another thread;
"Are people that don't fall lockstep in line with your political ideology not good enough to help support R2BA? Can you just do without us?"

And to my surprise I got this answer;
"No I don't welcome socialists into our ranks because I know that someday you will want to turn the governments gun in my direction."

Wow. I make an effort to step outside the gun owner echo chamber and bring in people from other political leanings and being the hardcore leftist that so many here have pegged me as I know a lot of people that actually are hardcore leftists and I've turned them onto shooting. Lots of people over many years.

I tend to not think in black and white "yer wit us or yer agin us" mentality and actually realize that there are blue dog democrats that have good voting records where gun control is concerned. I know because I've voted for a few of them. It's often my single issue. I like to think that bringing more people into our hobby might affect the way they vote and maybe they'll look for those candidates if they want to enjoy the new firearm they just bought. Dunno, seems like a good way to go about it.

What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?

Leftists want to keep their weapons, they just don't want anybody else have them. They will keep voting for liberals. It typical of their behavior.

For example, they will escape a leftist state like cali, only to take their liberal ideology and voting habits and eventually turning the state they fled to into the state they left.

Cavalry Doc
07-02-2012, 17:42
Leftists want to keep their weapons, they just don't want anybody else have them. They will keep voting for liberals. It typical of their behavior.

For example, they will escape a leftist state like cali, only to take their liberal ideology and voting habits and eventually turning the state they fled to into the state they left.

That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed. :dunno:

427
07-02-2012, 17:49
That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed. :dunno:

Deport them.:whistling:

Walt_NC
07-02-2012, 17:57
I consider myself to be an independent as I vote based upon my perception of a candidates priorities and capabilities, not because of their party affiliation. That being said, I lean left on most social issues and am moderately conservative in economic and foreign policy issues, but with a constructivist/realist blend. In any event, I will most likely be voting for Pres. Obama in November for pragmatic reasons, which I am sure will result in my being labeled as a liberal fascist commie socialist lefty nazi by some of this forums mouth-breathing basement dwellers.

I own many guns, carry daily, hunt as often as possible, and compete in many firearms disciplines.

Ruble Noon
07-02-2012, 17:59
That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed. :dunno:

They are a scourge on society reminiscent of the locust hordes that ravaged the plains.

jakebrake
07-02-2012, 18:29
truthfully? i think a total of 3. no wait...one sold his gun....

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Gunhaver
07-02-2012, 18:31
It's not that there are not liberals who don't like to shoot. There are. I know some. It's that they would trade that right to shoot and own guns for other things more important to them as liberals.

Like socialism. :supergrin:

I don't understand this either/or mindset. Like somehow we can only have either what all liberals want or what all conservatives want (as if everyone on either side all wanted exactly the same things) instead of a mix of both, which is exactly what we have now. :dunno:

countrygun
07-02-2012, 18:37
That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed. :dunno:

Quit yer whining. I live next door to the Twitshine State.

My town is full of them for the holiday. They all love it here and can't wait to make it more like Kommifornia.

The good news is, the LGS is doing a land office business in case lots of ammo, and they aren't selling to Californicators.

svtpwnz
07-02-2012, 19:07
I really do not understand the liberal mindset that government is responsible for the care and well being of it's citizens. There are very limited rolls that government is to do but the key word here being very limited.

It blows me away that a liberal will trust the government with all weapons and feel comfortable not being able to posess them to preserve and protect his own life. I just do not get it.

callihan_44
07-02-2012, 19:12
one centrist co-worker gladly voted obama in 08, but joined in the gun-ammo buying craze after he won in fear he would crack down on the 2A....:dunno:

countrygun
07-02-2012, 19:16
I really do not understand the liberal mindset that government is responsible for the care and well being of it's citizens. There are very limited rolls that government is to do but the key word here being very limited.

It blows me away that a liberal will trust the government with all weapons and feel comfortable not being able to posess them to preserve and protect his own life. I just do not get it.


It's part of that "Dream World" they live in. They 'Dream" socialism will work in spite of the facts, They "Dream" that Government is a good thing, and the more of it the better, They "Dream" that giving up rights and not taking personal responsibility will make them "Free".

In short, they are Lotus Eating Nutjobs.

teumessian_fox
07-02-2012, 19:53
Yeah, the High Road is full of them. One of the mods is an active contributor to the DemoRATic Underground.

barbedwiresmile
07-02-2012, 20:00
A social democrat gun-owner would by definition have a political, economic, and moral philosophy so disjointed and inconsistent that it would make no sense to engage him in dialogue.

(though the same could be said of republican gun owners)

Berto
07-02-2012, 20:02
I'm not really accustomed to seeing pro 2A support from the left, honestly.
It doesn't fit the agenda, other than suckering voters.

TheExplorer
07-02-2012, 20:02
I find all of this political gun-identification amusing. All of my liberal friends are gun owners and none of my republican ones are. I just don't get all the fuss on here. Can't there just be people who like guns and people who don't? Dems and Repubs will vote with their party's consensus. That doesn't mean all Repub and Dem members are a certain way.

ChuteTheMall
07-02-2012, 20:14
What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?

I have no use for leftists, whether as gun-owners, or dentists, or neighbors, or mechanics, or waitresses, or trash collectors. I'll take my business elsewhere, every chance I get.

Shooting is fun, but without a fundamental understanding of the reasons for the second amendment, it doesn't matter what a gun-owning democrat says or even believes.

A liberal will work to destroy the freedoms we defend, even if he has a silly grin on his ugly face when he pops some caps in the hood, trying to convince some trolls that he's a gunlover:

http://i45.tinypic.com/mih2cy.jpg

For the uninformed, this is Chuck Schumer, currently a Democrat Senator from New York. A hero of the left.
I wonder how he carries that Tec-9?

ChuteTheMall
07-02-2012, 20:16
All of my liberal friends are gun owners and none of my republican ones are.

Perhaps you need better friends. Good luck with that.:wavey:

Hef
07-02-2012, 20:36
I think everyone who wants a gun, regardless of political ideology, should own a gun if they aren't prohibited from owning one. The more and varied the people who value and exercise the right, the safer that right will be against infringement.

Cavalry Doc
07-02-2012, 20:50
Quit yer whining. I live next door to the Twitshine State.

My town is full of them for the holiday. They all love it here and can't wait to make it more like Kommifornia.

The good news is, the LGS is doing a land office business in case lots of ammo, and they aren't selling to Californicators.

The local PD pulls over every California plated car that does not have Fort Hood Stickers, and asks them when they are leaving. If he pulls them over twice, gives them a map. Third time cites them for both tail lights being broken.




















































Only in my dreams. :crying:

Cavalry Doc
07-02-2012, 20:52
I think everyone who wants a gun, regardless of political ideology, should own a gun if they aren't prohibited from owning one. The more and varied the people who value and exercise the right, the safer that right will be against infringement.

Ehhhhhh. Not so much. I want every good guy to have a few of them, and none of the bad guys. Liberal, libertarian, whatever, they are mostly good guys too.

DOC44
07-02-2012, 20:58
anybody can buy stuff but everybody can't shoot 'em worth a crap. non-shooter gun owners are more likely to shoot their foot or a finger off or have some thug take it away from him, chamber a round, and shoot him and his girl/boyfriend.

Doc44

teumessian_fox
07-02-2012, 21:59
For the uninformed, this is Chuck Schumer, currently a Democrat Senator from New York. A hero of the left.
I wonder how he carries that Tec-9?

In the shoulder holsters of his armed security detail.

countrygun
07-02-2012, 22:12
The local PD pulls over every California plated car that does not have Fort Hood Stickers, and asks them when they are leaving. If he pulls them over twice, gives them a map. Third time cites them for both tail lights being broken.

Only in my dreams. :crying:

Well, since our little town sits on the highway, they tend to come barreling through in their winnebagos, runamuckas, and what ever, completely ignoring the speed limit as if all of the signs, the two traffic lights,, many trffic signs, buildings and pedestrians gave them no clue they were in a city. They keep our local PD busy. Now if it is a minor violation and they mention that they were doing something that involved spending money in our town, that falls into a seperate category of "warning" violation.




or so the viscious, unconfirmed and AFAIK totally untrue rumor is.

Fred Hansen
07-03-2012, 00:34
Yep. Hypocrites, almost without exception. I believe they compartmentalize their firearms ownership under their "what's mine is mine, what's yours is mine" rule*. Meaning that they can have a gun, but they get to ban everyone else from having one.

It has been my experience that if not for cognitive dissonance, most leftists would have no cognition at all.

Quite frankly, if 95% of the liberals I know were to **** off and die tomorrow, I'd hardly notice or care.




* Equally funny is when leftists protest about how "independent" and "centrist" they are. What happened to good ol' Pinko Pride?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

JFrame
07-03-2012, 07:16
All of my liberal friends are gun owners and none of my republican ones are.


Perhaps your "Republican friends" are smart enough not to let you know they own guns.


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whoflungdo
07-03-2012, 07:24
one centrist co-worker gladly voted obama in 08, but joined in the gun-ammo buying craze after he won in fear he would crack down on the 2A....:dunno:

That's because, at least in my experience, they support the 2A, but it is secondary or tertiary to other issues/rights they think are more important. And they don't think the government will come after "Their" guns...

svtpwnz
07-03-2012, 07:27
Perhaps your "Republican friends" are smart enough not to let you know they own guns.


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I would have to agree with this comment. There are many of my friends that have no clue that I own a gun let alone ccw one every day.

DOC44
07-03-2012, 07:34
I would have to agree with this comment. There are many of my friends that have no clue that I own a gun let alone ccw one every day.

most of my close friends have a ccw and carry daily. None of us wear, "shoot me first" clothing" or open carry.

Doc44

Bren
07-03-2012, 07:52
I have never met a liberal/lefty who owns guns or favors them. I don't expect to. Here on the internet, we get some liberals who claim to own guns, so they can post about gun topics - that's called trolling.

Syclone538
07-03-2012, 09:14
I know a strong democrat, pro union, fundamentalist Christian, gun owner, that is not at all opposed to an "assault weapon" ban, and with a very limited understanding of stand your ground laws, doesn't like it. She said if someone broke into their house at night, if they tried to come into the bedroom, she would shoot the intruder. I believe her.

teumessian_fox
07-03-2012, 10:07
I know a strong democrat ........ fundamentalist Christian

Can't be done. Not in theory anyway. A Christian cannot cast a vote for someone who endorses the genocidal slaughter of unborn children and who embraces the homosexual community as an alternative lifestyle. That goes for demonRat or Repugnant.

2 John 10-11: If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


Eph 5:11-12: And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

TheExplorer
07-03-2012, 10:10
Perhaps you need better friends. Good luck with that.:wavey:

I think I'll stick with the open-minded ones I have, but thanks for the suggestion.:wavey:

TheExplorer
07-03-2012, 10:12
Perhaps your "Republican friends" are smart enough not to let you know they own guns.


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What does "smart" have to do with anything. Are we all supposed to be ashamed to like guns?

automatic slim
07-03-2012, 10:26
What does "smart" have to do with anything. Are we all supposed to be ashamed to like guns?

Short answer: Yes.

JFrame
07-03-2012, 10:45
What does "smart" have to do with anything. Are we all supposed to be ashamed to like guns?


Hey, man -- I don't know you from Adam -- but if "all" of your "Republican friends" are telling you they don't have guns, maybe there's a reason...


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countrygun
07-03-2012, 11:11
Hey, man -- I don't know you from Adam -- but if "all" of your "Republican friends" are telling you they don't have guns, maybe there's a reason...


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Sounds like the Republicans in his area have their act together. Good OpSec.

FFR Spyder GT
07-03-2012, 11:16
Believe it or not, there are many Liberals and Democrats that are gun owners and firm believers in the 2nd Amendment.

When deciding what political party/ideology you belong to a person needs to decide what is important to themself and their family.

I may case I'm from a combination of ranchers/farmers and blue collar (mainly Union) worker background, live in central/ west central Arkansas that enjoys outdoor recreation like hunting, fishing, etc.

So I have made a list of things that are important to myself and my family.

1.) Environment. Since I do not love in a domed city with a purified air and I do prefer to breath clean air and drink *unpolluted water the environment is very important to me. Plus I also like to eat and animals I kill and catch. I cannot do that if they are unsafe to eat because of a polluted environment.

2.) Employee rights. I would hate to see workplace conditions to return to what they were in the 30's or 40's. Heck, even the 80's!

I know of several people ( BIL for one) that has died from exposure to hazardous chemicals in the workplace that would not have died with the current levels of PPE ( personal protective equipment ) that is required today.

The last time I checked our Decoration of Independence started out with "We the People......." not " We the Big Box Store......." *or *"We the Big Oil Company......".

3.) Taxes on the Working Middle Class. Come on! Give them a break!

4.) Education. Face it, the future of this Nation is dependent upon the school age children being educated to the best of this Nation's ability so we can compete on a Global level.

5.) Bill of Rights. Keep your hands off of them! That means everyone of them, not just some of them. Not just the 1st or the 2nd, but all of them.

6.) National Security. How safe can we really be with open borders?

7.) Military. We need a smarter, smaller and more mobile Military. Plus we are not the World's Police Force, that's the UN's job.

Oh, don't even get me started on the UN.

8.) Veterans? Read my sig line.

9.) Balanced budget. I live with a balanced budget so why can't the Federal Gov't?

Ain't got it? Don't spend it. Pretty simple.

Borrowing money from ChiCom to give to other countries just doesn't add up.


That's just a small list of things that are important to myself.

Notice I didn't say anything about "Gay Rights" or abortions. Not important. Besides that they are just political ploys to get a target group to vote for and to donate money to their party.

So, when I go down the list and start checking either Dem or GOP, well, the GOP doesn't get very many checks.

Then you have to look at what the individual candidate stands for and whom ever gets the most checks gets my vote.

I've been old enough to vote in 7 POTUS elections and even though I consider myself a Liberal I have only voted for one (D) POTUS candidate.

So, yes, there are Dems and Libs that are gun owners.

Spyder

DOC44
07-03-2012, 11:21
anybody can buy stuff

Doc44

Bren
07-03-2012, 11:22
Believe it or not, there are many Liberals and Democrats that are gun owners and firm believers in the 2nd Amendment.*

***
So, yes, there are Dems and Libs that are gun owners.

Spyder

I agree that you are a liberal and, p4robably, a democrat. Whether you actually own guns, I don't know.

As for democrats, they are not all liberal. In Kentucky, the most conservative rural people, like my parents and grandparents were 100% democrat up until about the 80's - a tradition that goes back to our home counties siding with the south during the war. It remains the case, in Kentucky state politics, that Democrats outside 2 or 3 counties are far to the right of a Republican in national politics. Every major pro-gun law in Kentucky, from "shall issue" to "stand your ground" "state preemption" and "castle doctrine" have all been written, supported, passed and signed into law by democrats.

countrygun
07-03-2012, 11:25
Do you know any Dem/Lib/Left gun owners?


Not in my area actually. We have the Willamette Valley, California bunny-hugging Lotus eaters around here. I can't think of one pickup with a "Hope and Change" bumpersticker and a rifle rack.

Never met a liberal at the LGS either, except the Californians who stand there slackjawed "wow, you can own those kind of guns here?"

Ruble Noon
07-03-2012, 13:37
Believe it or not, there are many Liberals and Democrats that are gun owners and firm believers in the 2nd Amendment.

When deciding what political party/ideology you belong to a person needs to decide what is important to themself and their family.

I may case I'm from a combination of ranchers/farmers and blue collar (mainly Union) worker background, live in central/ west central Arkansas that enjoys outdoor recreation like hunting, fishing, etc.

So I have made a list of things that are important to myself and my family.

1.) Environment. Since I do not love in a domed city with a purified air and I do prefer to breath clean air and drink *unpolluted water the environment is very important to me. Plus I also like to eat and animals I kill and catch. I cannot do that if they are unsafe to eat because of a polluted environment.



Have you ever thought of the impact firearms have on the environment? Giant holes in the ground from the extraction of steel, lead and other metals. Precious trees cut down for making stocks and grips from wood. Then there is all the oil that must be claimed for the polymers and plastics. After the environment has been ravaged for these materials the gun manufacturers use copious amounts of fossil fuels for castings and forgings and tempering plus they employ Co2 emitting humans to produce these firearms. Then when these environmental disasters finally reach the end user they are used to spread toxic lead across the land.

As a liberal that cares about the environment, how can you justify owning one or more of these things?

Gunhaver
07-03-2012, 14:12
Have you ever thought of the impact firearms have on the environment? Giant holes in the ground from the extraction of steel, lead and other metals. Precious trees cut down for making stocks and grips from wood. Then there is all the oil that must be claimed for the polymers and plastics. After the environment has been ravaged for these materials the gun manufacturers use copious amounts of fossil fuels for castings and forgings and tempering plus they employ Co2 emitting humans to produce these firearms. Then when these environmental disasters finally reach the end user they are used to spread toxic lead across the land.

As a liberal that cares about the environment, how can you justify owning one or more of these things?

So to you "environmentalist" automatically means Luddite anti-industrialist? No way to have the guns (and cars and houses and all the other things we enjoy) without completely trashing the environment to get them? Or are you just pissed that being careful about how we go about it makes them everything more expensive? Have you ever seen a conservation law that you thought was a good idea?

Jesus. The guy said he likes clean air and water and that's all it takes to trip your trigger. Lay off the talk radio.

whoflungdo
07-03-2012, 14:29
So to you "environmentalist" automatically means Luddite anti-industrialist? No way to have the guns (and cars and houses and all the other things we enjoy) without completely trashing the environment to get them? Or are you just pissed that being careful about how we go about it makes them everything more expensive? Have you ever seen a conservation law that you thought was a good idea?

Jesus. The guy said he likes clean air and water and that's all it takes to trip your trigger. Lay off the talk radio.


Lighten up Francis..

http://youtu.be/0OnpkDWbeJs

JFrame
07-03-2012, 14:34
Lighten up Francis..

http://youtu.be/0OnpkDWbeJs


:rofl::rofl::rofl:


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Ruble Noon
07-03-2012, 14:47
So to you "environmentalist" automatically means Luddite anti-industrialist? No way to have the guns (and cars and houses and all the other things we enjoy) without completely trashing the environment to get them? Or are you just pissed that being careful about how we go about it makes them everything more expensive? Have you ever seen a conservation law that you thought was a good idea?

Jesus. The guy said he likes clean air and water and that's all it takes to trip your trigger. Lay off the talk radio.

According to the libtards, no.

Where did this notion that conservatives/republicans don't care about the environment come from? I'll tell ya', from the retards on the left, the same retards that mandated mercury filled light bulbs in your home. Mercury filled light bulbs that get thrown in the trash and buried in land fills. How good is that for the environment?

automatic slim
07-03-2012, 15:03
So to you "environmentalist" automatically means Luddite anti-industrialist? No way to have the guns (and cars and houses and all the other things we enjoy) without completely trashing the environment to get them? Or are you just pissed that being careful about how we go about it makes them everything more expensive? Have you ever seen a conservation law that you thought was a good idea?

Jesus. The guy said he likes clean air and water and that's all it takes to trip your trigger. Lay off the talk radio.

If you didn't know, they make steel shot, won't poison your water.
I prefer lead. The taste goes well with the smell of burning tires that I have in my back yard.
I also hate trees. God help the tree that tries to come on my property.....:steamed:

JFrame
07-03-2012, 15:07
If you didn't know, they make steel shot, won't poison your water.
I prefer lead. The taste goes well with the smell of burning tires that I have in my back yard.
I also hate trees. God help the tree that tries to come on my property.....:steamed:


What's your favorite tree load? I think .30-06 is minimum for tree -- I'm more inclined to say .300 Win Mag -- or even .338 Lapua...


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Gunhaver
07-03-2012, 15:21
According to the libtards, no.

Where did this notion that conservatives/republicans don't care about the environment come from? I'll tell ya', from the retards on the left, the same retards that mandated mercury filled light bulbs in your home. Mercury filled light bulbs that get thrown in the trash and buried in land fills. How good is that for the environment?

So your idea of a "libtard" is somebody that advocates for total shutdown of all industry. M'kay. Good to know. You'll be pleased to know that only a tiny fraction of people actually think that way.

Gunhaver
07-03-2012, 15:29
What's your favorite tree load? I think .30-06 is minimum for tree -- I'm more inclined to say .300 Win Mag -- or even .338 Lapua...


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I've poured Roundup into an old car hood, let it dry into a paste and scraped it into cheap hollow point .45 rounds. Every 3 years or so I go out to our farm and put a few rounds into every stinking tire killing Hawthorn I can find that's too big to cut down with a hand saw. It takes a few months but it works. After years of my grandad and mom doing that the Hawthorn tree is endangered on that land.

JFrame
07-03-2012, 15:35
I've poured Roundup into an old car hood, let it dry into a paste and scraped it into cheap hollow point .45 rounds. Every 3 years or so I go out to our farm and put a few rounds into every stinking tire killing Hawthorn I can find that's too big to cut down with a hand saw. It takes a few months but it works. After years of my grandad and mom doing that the Hawthorn tree is endangered on that land.


Selective species extinction -- I like it.


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countrygun
07-03-2012, 16:03
What's your favorite tree load? I think .30-06 is minimum for tree -- I'm more inclined to say .300 Win Mag -- or even .338 Lapua...


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I have taken Alders down on my place with an AK and a Marlin 45/70. I used the AK instead of my SKS because of the mag capacity, I don't want to get jumped by the Ents while reloading.

JFrame
07-03-2012, 16:09
I have taken Alders down on my place with an AK and a Marlin 45/70. I used the AK instead of my SKS because of the mag capacity, I don't want to get jumped by the Ents while reloading.

I hear ya...!

Speaking from personal experience, there is nothing as frightening as facing a charge from a horde of enraged tree-herders...






:whistling:

Fred Hansen
07-03-2012, 16:31
I've poured Roundup into an old car hood, let it dry into a paste and scraped it into cheap hollow point .45 rounds. Every 3 years or so I go out to our farm and put a few rounds into every stinking tire killing Hawthorn I can find that's too big to cut down with a hand saw. It takes a few months but it works. After years of my grandad and mom doing that the Hawthorn tree is endangered on that land.Leave it to a liberal to misuse Roundup for a Garlon® 4 job. Monsanto thanks you.

:animlol: :animlol: :animlol: :animlol:

automatic slim
07-03-2012, 16:40
What's your favorite tree load? I think .30-06 is minimum for tree -- I'm more inclined to say .300 Win Mag -- or even .338 Lapua...


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Do NOT discount 5.56! The penetration is something to behold!

They work really well, well, shooting around the well.....:wavey:

JFrame
07-03-2012, 16:46
Do NOT discount 5.56! The penetration is something to behold!

They work really well, well, shooting around the well.....:wavey:


I have to say that the buzz-saw concept to tree-hunting has serious merit...

Let me ponder this... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_thinking.gif


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Jerry
07-03-2012, 17:38
That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed. :dunno:

Take a look at what's happening in Florida and the mindset of many of those in SE Texas. I'd say the answer to your question is yes. :supergrin:

I don't trust liberals. They will trade my 2nd. amendment right for socialist programs any day of the week. I don't take anyone I can't trust into my confidence so therefor want nothing to do with "liberals"... gun owner or not. :nutcheck:

Jerry
07-03-2012, 17:42
I consider myself to be an independent as I vote based upon my perception of a candidates priorities and capabilities, not because of their party affiliation. That being said, I lean left on most social issues and am moderately conservative in economic and foreign policy issues, but with a constructivist/realist blend. In any event, I will most likely be voting for Pres. Obama in November for pragmatic reasons, which I am sure will result in my being labeled as a liberal fascist commie socialist lefty nazi by some of this forums mouth-breathing basement dwellers.

I own many guns, carry daily, hunt as often as possible, and compete in many firearms disciplines.

I would love to tell you what that labels you as but GT rules won't allow it. :whistling:

RYNOCG201
07-03-2012, 17:44
One of my best friends used to lean left, I know he voted for Barry, (although I'm not sure of his current political leanings) and he is an avid shooter NRA member and supporter of the second amendment.


RYNOC

Jerry
07-03-2012, 18:06
I think I'll stick with the open-minded ones I have, but thanks for the suggestion.:wavey:

Read my sig line. :rofl:

JFrame
07-03-2012, 18:12
Read my sig line. :rofl:


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I read your sig line for the first just now, Jerry! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC-hysterical.gif


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countrygun
07-03-2012, 18:29
Take a look at what's happening in Florida and the mindset of many of those in SE Texas. I'd say the answer to your question is yes. :supergrin:

I don't trust liberals. They will trade my 2nd. amendment right for socialist programs any day of the week. I don't take anyone I can't trust into my confidence so therefor want nothing to do with "liberals"... gun owner or not. :nutcheck:


I take it one step further than you. I find that Liberals operate on a belief system without foundation. They have a fanaticism, or at least sympathy for fanatics in their circle, that rivals the worst most atheists can claim of religious zealots.

Despite the failures of many liberal policies and programs their response is generally, "It failed because we didn't have enough of it" Sounds like a religious zealot talking about lack of faith.

Like a zealot, they will throw anyone under the bus to further the cause. The truth be told, and I am being completely honest, despite the fact that many of them point to "gun owners" and "Hawks" and like to pretend to be peaceful, the hatred and venom that comes out of their mouths when they talk about conservatives is frightening and justifies the deepest level of distrust one can manage.

Many of them are truly "Wolves in sheep's clothing"

ChuteTheMall
07-03-2012, 18:32
Hey, man -- I don't know you from Adam -- but if "all" of your "Republican friends" are telling you they don't have guns, maybe there's a reason...

.

I don't tell my libtard acquaintances (they are ineligible to be considered friends) about my guns, my cash, or my preps.

http://i46.tinypic.com/nd4qba.jpg

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D, CA) is a favorite among gun-owning libtards; she needs that hi-cap drum mag because she's a lousy shot.

:rofl:

ChuteTheMall
07-03-2012, 18:40
http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr060216cii.gif

I wonder how these ratios might have changed during the past seven years?
:whistling:

ChuteTheMall
07-03-2012, 18:47
http://i50.tinypic.com/34zn9t0.jpg

Limp-wristed Al Gore almost popped a cap into Regis Philbin.

:wow:

He used to pretend to be pro-gun back in Tennessee, and it was enough to fool some fools who vote for demonrats.
When he went nationwide his typical anti-gun demonrat behavior took over. No more make believe. No such thing as pro-gun demonrats.

ChuteTheMall
07-03-2012, 19:17
http://i49.tinypic.com/sqt7vp.jpg

John F. Kerry demonstrates liberal photo-op gun handling.:animlol:

DOC44
07-03-2012, 19:30
I don't tell my libtard acquaintances (they are ineligible to be considered friends) about my guns, my cash, or my preps.

http://i46.tinypic.com/nd4qba.jpg

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D, CA) is a favorite among gun-owning libtards; she needs that hi-cap drum mag because she's a lousy shot.

:rofl:

I remember that one.... she swept a bunch of people with that AK with her finger on the trigger.

Doc44

QNman
07-03-2012, 19:30
I welcome all persons who support the 2A. Regardless of political persuasion.

However, I'll flip the question... With the liberal agenda being what it is, how can you be a liberal AND support the 2A? Liberal candidates generally aren't friendly to the 2A. Sounds like a paradox to me.

Fortunately, I don't have to worry about that.

Jerry
07-03-2012, 19:31
Like a zealot, they will throw anyone under the bus to further the cause. The truth be told, and I am being completely honest, despite the fact that many of them point to "gun owners" and "Hawks" and like to pretend to be peaceful, the hatred and venom that comes out of their mouths when they talk about conservatives is frightening and justifies the deepest level of distrust one can manage.

Many of them are truly "Wolves in sheep's clothing"

But what you fail to see is its OK for them to do it because its for the higher cause. :rofl:

JFrame
07-03-2012, 19:34
I remember that one.... she swept a bunch of people with that AK with her finger on the trigger.

Doc44


Clearly, leftists have a right to fear firearms -- in their hands...


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cowboywannabe
07-03-2012, 19:41
sure, i know a few self rightious hippocrates.

Alpine
07-03-2012, 19:43
I asked this question to a member on another thread;
"Are people that don't fall lockstep in line with your political ideology not good enough to help support R2BA? Can you just do without us?"

And to my surprise I got this answer;
"No I don't welcome socialists into our ranks because I know that someday you will want to turn the governments gun in my direction."

Wow. I make an effort to step outside the gun owner echo chamber and bring in people from other political leanings and being the hardcore leftist that so many here have pegged me as I know a lot of people that actually are hardcore leftists and I've turned them onto shooting. Lots of people over many years.

I tend to not think in black and white "yer wit us or yer agin us" mentality and actually realize that there are blue dog democrats that have good voting records where gun control is concerned. I know because I've voted for a few of them. It's often my single issue. I like to think that bringing more people into our hobby might affect the way they vote and maybe they'll look for those candidates if they want to enjoy the new firearm they just bought. Dunno, seems like a good way to go about it.

What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?

Go butt a stump.

FFR Spyder GT
07-03-2012, 19:43
I agree that you are a liberal and, p4robably, a democrat. Whether you actually own guns, IL don't know.



Bren,

I could be the only person in the entire world that owned a gun and, based in other post that you have made, you are so narrow minded that you would not believe it even if they were right in front of your eyes.

Spyder

FFR Spyder GT
07-03-2012, 19:53
I welcome all persons who support the 2A. Regardless of political persuasion.

However, I'll flip the question... With the liberal agenda being what it is, how can you be a liberal AND support the 2A? Liberal candidates generally aren't friendly to the 2A. Sounds like a paradox to me.

Fortunately, I don't have to worry about that.

For one, your definition of a Liberal is probably different than mine.

For one, people like Obama, Boxer, Fienstein, etc are NOT Liberals, they are Socialist. Believe it or not there is a HUGE difference. Most of the Righties get this one wrong.

countrygun
07-03-2012, 19:59
How anyone can claim they value the right to keep and bear arms and in the next breath support a party that has brought us the Nanny State policies of the Liberals is beyond me.

One of the hallmarks, in my lifetime, of the Democratic Party has been their almost "lock-step" support of any "gun-control" measure to come down the road.

QNman
07-04-2012, 07:53
For one, your definition of a Liberal is probably different than mine.

For one, people like Obama, Boxer, Fienstein, etc are NOT Liberals, they are Socialist. Believe it or not there is a HUGE difference. Most of the Righties get this one wrong.

Perhaps our definitions are different, but it certainly appears that more liberals (including socialists) reject the 2A than don't.

Would you mind pointing to a couple of liberals who AREN'T against the second? Not calling you out - genuinely curious.

Ruble Noon
07-04-2012, 08:00
Perhaps our definitions are different, but it certainly appears that more liberals (including socialists) reject the 2A than don't.

Would you mind pointing to a couple of liberals who AREN'T against the second? Not calling you out - genuinely curious.

Mitt Romney. :whistling:

barbedwiresmile
07-04-2012, 08:04
For one, your definition of a Liberal is probably different than mine.

For one, people like Obama, Boxer, Fienstein, etc are NOT Liberals, they are Socialist. Believe it or not there is a HUGE difference. Most of the Righties get this one wrong.

So a liberal only supports a little bit of theft? Then what's the difference between a liberal and a republican- what they spend the confiscated money on? Fractional slavery is slavery, whether advocated by the 'left' or 'right'.

QNman
07-04-2012, 08:28
Mitt Romney. :whistling:

I thought Romney hated the second... at least according to Paul supporters... :supergrin:

Cavalry Doc
07-04-2012, 09:05
Perhaps our definitions are different, but it certainly appears that more liberals (including socialists) reject the 2A than don't.

Would you mind pointing to a couple of liberals who AREN'T against the second? Not calling you out - genuinely curious.

It pains me to type this...... but...

Believe it or not, Harry Reid....


Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Rated B by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Aug 2010)


Of course his support for Barry will negate any of his previous votes. Watch what they do, not what they say.


There are more of course. George Zimmerman is a registered democrat.



There are more indications:


EDITORIAL: Democrats cling to their guns
Obama scares women and liberals into the gun store

Gun ownership is on the rise in some surprising places. As much as President Obama would have us believe that only small-town yokels “cling to guns or religion,” a Gallup poll released Wednesday suggests many of the firearms that have been flying off the shelves in the past two years were purchased by Democrats and women. The Second Amendment has truly gone mainstream.

Overall, just under half of Americans said they have a gun at home, which is 6 percent more than had them in 2010. Not surprisingly, the highest ownership percentages are found in the South and the Midwest, and Republicans are the group most likely to be packing heat - up 3 percent. By comparison, Gallup found the number of Democrats willing to come out and admit to having a sidearm jumped 8 points from 32 percent to 40 percent. Since Mr. Obama’s inauguration, the ranks of gun-toting women swelled by 10 points to 43 percent. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/27/democrats-cling-to-their-guns/)



Humans will often do things that aren't in their best interests, or even consistent with their beliefs.

evlbruce
07-04-2012, 09:12
I haven't met a Liberal who wouldn't give up their guns before they gave up their Gov't Cheese.

JFrame
07-04-2012, 09:27
I thought Romney hated the second... at least according to Paul supporters... :supergrin:


Touche... :duel:

:supergrin:


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Ruble Noon
07-04-2012, 09:40
I thought Romney hated the second... at least according to Paul supporters... :supergrin:

It depends on which Mitt Romney one references, the one with an anti-gun record or the pandering one that want's to be elected president.

steveksux
07-04-2012, 09:58
History has a name for those who refuse to ally with people with common cause because of other differences not germane to that cause.

Since history is written by the victors, history calls those people "losers".

Hell, we were allies with Stalinist Russia in WWII.

Randy

QNman
07-04-2012, 10:49
It depends on which Mitt Romney one references, the one with an anti-gun record or the pandering one that want's to be elected president.

... or the one who actually improved the Massachusetts gun ban before allowing it to pass. Yes, he made a stupid comment afterwards, but improvement is improvement. And I'll still take the panderer over the socialist idealogue.

FFR Spyder GT
07-05-2012, 09:12
Perhaps our definitions are different, but it certainly appears that more liberals (including socialists) reject the 2A than don't.

Would you mind pointing to a couple of liberals who AREN'T against the second? Not calling you out - genuinely curious.

The (D) Party's stand on the 2nd is one of the things that I do NOT agree with.

At the same time I live in Arkansas and its controlled by the Dems and we have very "liberal" gun laws. We can CCW, own MGs, suppressors, etc. so not all Dems are anti-gun.

A Pro-Gun Liberal?

Drum roll, PLEASE!!!!!















Al Gore!

Before Gore got hooked up with Slick Willie he had either an A or an A+ rating from the NRA.

During the 2000 election Gore would have won the election if he would have distanced himself from Clinton and his position on guns.

Spyder

Cavalry Doc
07-05-2012, 10:33
The (D) Party's stand on the 2nd is one of the things that I do NOT agree with.

At the same time I live in Arkansas and its controlled by the Dems and we have very "liberal" gun laws. We can CCW, own MGs, suppressors, etc. so not all Dems are anti-gun.

A Pro-Gun Liberal?

Drum roll, PLEASE!!!!!















Al Gore!

Before Gore got hooked up with Slick Willie he had either an A or an A+ rating from the NRA.

During the 2000 election Gore would have won the election if he would have distanced himself from Clinton and his position on guns.

Spyder


Whew! That was a close call then. Glad it turned out the way it did. I was active duty on 9/11, and remember several soldiers that were sure glad we weren't working for Al then

countrygun
07-05-2012, 12:40
The (D) Party's stand on the 2nd is one of the things that I do NOT agree with.

At the same time I live in Arkansas and its controlled by the Dems and we have very "liberal" gun laws. We can CCW, own MGs, suppressors, etc. so not all Dems are anti-gun.

A Pro-Gun Liberal?

Drum roll, PLEASE!!!!!















Al Gore!

Before Gore got hooked up with Slick Willie he had either an A or an A+ rating from the NRA.

During the 2000 election Gore would have won the election if he would have distanced himself from Clinton and his position on guns.

Spyder


Was this about the time he and "Tippy" were chairing the Parents Music Resource Council. (PMRC) and attempting to censor rock music?

Fred Hansen
07-05-2012, 15:31
For one, your definition of a Liberal is probably different than mine.

For one, people like Obama, Boxer, Fienstein, etc are NOT Liberals, they are Socialist. Believe it or not there is a HUGE difference. Most of the Righties get this one wrong.Liberal/Socialist/Progressive/Pinko/Commie

****/turd/dookie/poo-poo/alfranken

same/same

:upeyes:

countrygun
07-05-2012, 15:47
For one, your definition of a Liberal is probably different than mine.

For one, people like Obama, Boxer, Fienstein, etc are NOT Liberals, they are Socialist. Believe it or not there is a HUGE difference. Most of the Righties get this one wrong.


The difference is not "HUGE" it is more like a few degrees at most.

ChuteTheMall
07-05-2012, 15:51
For one, your definition of a Liberal is probably different than mine.


Fortunately, you don't get to re-define the terms with doublespeak.








http://i50.tinypic.com/34zn9t0.jpg

Limp-wristed Al Gore almost popped a cap into Regis Philbin.

:wow:

He used to pretend to be pro-gun back in Tennessee, and it was enough to fool some fools who vote for demonrats.
When he went nationwide his typical anti-gun demonrat behavior took over. No more make believe. No such thing as pro-gun demonrats.:okie:

Save the dramatic drumroll, I mentioned Al Gore two days ago.:nutcheck:



A Pro-Gun Liberal?

Drum roll, PLEASE!!!!!
Al Gore!

Before Gore got hooked up with Slick Willie he had either an A or an A+ rating from the NRA.



Your poster boy is the lying flip-flopping hypocrite who was pro-life in TN before becoming pro-abortion in DC, who was pro-gun in TN before becoming anti-gun in DC? Really?
The anti-war draft-dodger who's anti-war racist segregationist Senator-daddy made him take a safe job in Vietnam to protect his Senate seat?

Just because someone jumped thru the NRA's hoops for a few years doesn't make him pro-gun; it makes him a liar.

And I'll bet Harry Reid's token pro-gun votes never endangered a single piece of demonrat anti-gun legislation.
They served no purpose other than to fool some fools.
:deadhorse:

sbhaven
07-05-2012, 17:47
For one, your definition of a Liberal is probably different than mine.

For one, people like Obama, Boxer, Fienstein, etc are NOT Liberals, they are Socialist. Believe it or not there is a HUGE difference. Most of the Righties get this one wrong.
You may have your own definition of Liberal.... But Democratic party is controlled and run by those very Socialists. The Democratic party has been Socialist for a long time, the reason why so many don't see it is because the Socialists conned the centrist/blue dog Democrats by calling themselves "Progressives" as they took over the leadership positions.

Look at how the more than a few Democrats and their propaganda wing in the MSM are responding to Obama. They want him to go farther left than he's already gone.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus (http://keywiki.org/index.php/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus) has a good number Congressional members. Including long serving Socialist Rosa Delauro from my state. :steamed: The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) assisted in forming and works closely (http://keywiki.org/index.php/Democratic_Socialists_of_America#Congressional_Progressive_Caucus) with the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
No, we are not a separate party. Like our friends and allies in the feminist, labor, civil rights, religious, and community organizing movements, many of us have been active in the Democratic Party. We work with those movements to strengthen the party’s left wing, represented by the Congressional Progressive Caucus...Maybe sometime in the future, in coalition with our allies, an alternative national party will be viable. For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats