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hogfish
07-05-2012, 16:44
I've been thinking about this for awhile. Pretty much as a block, your classic Southern Democrat became republican (from what I understand). I've noticed that one thing keeps them there: Patriotism. National defense is what they understand the GOP is all for.
If you talk with some of these people, they still hold on to the idea that anyone even considering touching education, SS/Medicare, Medicaid, and the innumerable other government assistance programs, is just plain crazy.

Anybody else here notice that? Do you think this just happens to be in my area?

:dunno:

barbedwiresmile
07-05-2012, 17:59
The roots of Southern association with the democrat party of yore can be found in the Reconstruction, and it's various injustices, atrocities, and absurdities.

Regarding more recent association with the GOP, and the issue of national "defense"... Well, if your sons and daughters disproportionately left to serve the central state, you would seek solace in 'patriotism' as well.

GAFinch
07-05-2012, 22:31
After widespread Marxist sentiments died down when the Cold War began, the Democratic party as a whole moved right and re-embraced love of God and country. As the Cold War spun down, the Democratic Party moved back to the left. Some Democrats, particularly in the South, didn't want to give up God and country in exchange for full-blown, morally-bankrupt socialism. Love of country isn't about national defense, but about not self-loathingly viewing our country as an imperial empire ruled by Zionist Gordon Gekkos.

hogfish
07-06-2012, 04:52
Logical answers as to why they left the Dem. Pty., thanks. But, why stick with the rest of the democratic program of wellfare, SS, etc.?

Thanks.

Bren
07-06-2012, 05:09
After widespread Marxist sentiments died down when the Cold War began, the Democratic party as a whole moved right and re-embraced love of God and country. As the Cold War spun down, the Democratic Party moved back to the left. Some Democrats, particularly in the South, didn't want to give up God and country in exchange for full-blown, morally-bankrupt socialism. Love of country isn't about national defense, but about not self-loathingly viewing our country as an imperial empire ruled by Zionist Gordon Gekkos.

Moved "back to the left?" The Democrats were the confederates in the civil war and, in the south, remained on that side until the 1970's or 80's. Non-southern democrats steadily moved left in the 20th century. There was no back and forth - and after the war, no time when southern and northern democrats were alike - your post seems nutty because you have no idea what you are talking about. You just made up a history from a wild guess.

beforeobamabans
07-06-2012, 07:04
You know, there used to be a group of southern democrats named after a certain GOP leader whose optimism, faith in America's traditions and its people, unfailing belief in a strong military and dedication to less intrusive government drew them to vote for him even though he had left their party.

I don't hear anything about 'Romney Democrats'.

CitizenOfDreams
07-06-2012, 07:43
I am a foreigner and I don't know much about the intricacies of American politics. How do you guys keep track on who's a Democrat and who's a Republican today? Is that what the "R" and "D" after the name are for? Kinda like white hats and black hats in a Western movie?

barbedwiresmile
07-06-2012, 08:58
I am a foreigner and I don't know much about the intricacies of American politics. How do you guys keep track on who's a Democrat and who's a Republican today?

It's easy. Allow me to explain: Regardless of the policies espoused, if the guy has an "R" after his name, we like him. If he has a "D" after his name, we don't.

For example, if he enacts government managed healthcare, we think he's ok if he has an "R" after his name, and we complain about him if he has a "D". If he supports an 'assault weapons' ban, we go to great lengths to explain it if he's an "R". But we lambast him if he's a "D". If he supports military adventurism and nation-building to the tune of hundreds of billions, he's ok in our book if he's an "R". We don't like it if he's a "D". If he, for example, votes to raise the debt ceiling, and has an "R" after his name, then it's understandable as part of our national security. If he votes exactly the same way and he's a "D", he's steering us towards bankruptcy. Vote for NDAA? Support TSA? OK if you're an "R". Bad news if you're a "D".

See?

CitizenOfDreams
07-06-2012, 12:48
It's easy. Allow me to explain: Regardless of the policies espoused, if the guy has an "R" after his name, we like him. If he has a "D" after his name, we don't.

Black hats and white hats, got it! Thanks for the explanation. :wavey:

Jonesee
07-06-2012, 17:18
Moved "back to the left?" The Democrats were the confederates in the civil war and, in the south, remained on that side until the 1970's or 80's. Non-southern democrats steadily moved left in the 20th century. There was no back and forth - and after the war, no time when southern and northern democrats were alike - your post seems nutty because you have no idea what you are talking about. You just made up a history from a wild guess.

+1

The other guy has no idea about history. It goes back the civil war and post civil war era.

camelotkid
07-06-2012, 18:50
It's easy. Allow me to explain: Regardless of the policies espoused, if the guy has an "R" after his name, we like him. If he has a "D" after his name, we don't.

For example, if he enacts government managed healthcare, we think he's ok if he has an "R" after his name, and we complain about him if he has a "D". If he supports an 'assault weapons' ban, we go to great lengths to explain it if he's an "R". But we lambast him if he's a "D". If he supports military adventurism and nation-building to the tune of hundreds of billions, he's ok in our book if he's an "R". We don't like it if he's a "D". If he, for example, votes to raise the debt ceiling, and has an "R" after his name, then it's understandable as part of our national security. If he votes exactly the same way and he's a "D", he's steering us towards bankruptcy. Vote for NDAA? Support TSA? OK if you're an "R". Bad news if you're a "D".

See?
hahaha exactly :rofl:

GAFinch
07-07-2012, 00:04
Moved "back to the left?" The Democrats were the confederates in the civil war and, in the south, remained on that side until the 1970's or 80's. Non-southern democrats steadily moved left in the 20th century. There was no back and forth - and after the war, no time when southern and northern democrats were alike - your post seems nutty because you have no idea what you are talking about. You just made up a history from a wild guess.

The Democratic Party went pretty hard left at the turn of the century just like Europe did, which is why a constitutional amendment had to be passed to keep FDR from becoming our permanent leader. There were certainly SCOTUS cases that addressed the constitutionality of his social programs. He got very close to achieving universal health care. When the radicals popped back up to the forefront in the seventies, many moderate and Southern Democrats got scared off.

cowboywannabe
07-07-2012, 00:15
the DNC began a very noticible change after JFK died. liberism took a foot hold and within less than a decade made democrats synonymous with socialists.

mj9mm
07-07-2012, 00:52
no matter what you think of the history's of each party, if we allow the D's to hold onto power we will spend ourselves into oblivion

RCP
07-07-2012, 03:01
It's easy. Allow me to explain: Regardless of the policies espoused, if the guy has an "R" after his name, we like him. If he has a "D" after his name, we don't.

For example, if he enacts government managed healthcare, we think he's ok if he has an "R" after his name, and we complain about him if he has a "D". If he supports an 'assault weapons' ban, we go to great lengths to explain it if he's an "R". But we lambast him if he's a "D". If he supports military adventurism and nation-building to the tune of hundreds of billions, he's ok in our book if he's an "R". We don't like it if he's a "D". If he, for example, votes to raise the debt ceiling, and has an "R" after his name, then it's understandable as part of our national security. If he votes exactly the same way and he's a "D", he's steering us towards bankruptcy. Vote for NDAA? Support TSA? OK if you're an "R". Bad news if you're a "D".

See?

This is sad but currently true:crying:

Bren
07-07-2012, 05:43
The Democratic Party went pretty hard left at the turn of the century just like Europe did, which is why a constitutional amendment had to be passed to keep FDR from becoming our permanent leader. There were certainly SCOTUS cases that addressed the constitutionality of his social programs. He got very close to achieving universal health care. When the radicals popped back up to the forefront in the seventies, many moderate and Southern Democrats got scared off.

A. The point some don't seem to get is that the national democratic party and the southern democrats are 2 different groups that hated each other, up until the southern democrats mostly became republicans.

B. FDR graduated from high school "at the turn of the century" so you're talking 1940's (middle of the century).

C. How did some of you people convince yourselves that the party that walked out of congress because their side left the union in the 1860's - the party of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Nathan B. Forrest - the party that founded the KKK in 1865 - suddenly became flaming liberals within the lifetimes of democrats alive during the war? They didn't - they simply became 2 groups, the existing democrats in the south, and northerners who took the party name but started moving to the left, in the north,

hogfish
07-07-2012, 05:58
A. The point some don't seem to get is that the national democratic party and the southern democrats are 2 different groups that hated each other, up until the southern democrats mostly became republicans.

B. FDR graduated from high school "at the turn of the century" so you're talking 1940's (middle of the century).

C. How did some of you people convince yourselves that the party that walked out of congress because their side left the union in the 1860's - the party of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Nathan B. Forrest - the party that founded the KKK in 1865 - suddenly became flaming liberals within the lifetimes of democrats alive during the war? They didn't - they simply became 2 groups, the existing democrats in the south, and northerners who took the party name but started moving to the left, in the north,

This makes sense. The blind love and faithfulness people have toward their parties is truly a powerful thing. Silly.

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