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Gunhaver
07-06-2012, 20:01
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High-Gear
07-06-2012, 20:23
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Well said sir!

fowl intent
07-06-2012, 20:39
I likee

Kingarthurhk
07-06-2012, 21:03
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I am not seeing a problem with your OP.:supergrin: It sounds reasonable according to:

1. The law of the land.
2. The true principals of Christianity.

janice6
07-06-2012, 21:25
Easy to understand. Thank you.

High-Gear
07-06-2012, 21:59
I am not seeing a problem with your OP.:supergrin: It sounds reasonable according to:

1. The law of the land.
2. The true principals of Christianity.

Then you would support removing "Under God" from the pledge and "in god we trust" from our our money?

And I Guess you despise anyone using scripture as an argument to keep Gaye from marrying?

Kingarthurhk
07-06-2012, 22:20
Then you would support removing "Under God" from the pledge and "in god we trust" from our our money?

And I Guess you despise anyone using scripture as an argument to keep Gaye from marrying?

James 5:12, "Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear—not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. All you need to say is a simple “Yes” or “No.” Otherwise you will be condemned." This is in regard to your "Under God".

As to money:

Luke 20:20-26, "Keeping a close watch on him, they sent spies, who pretended to be sincere. They hoped to catch Jesus in something he said, <sup class="crossreference" value='(R (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25800R))'></sup> so that they might hand him over to the power and authority of the governor. <sup class="crossreference" value='(S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25800S))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>So the spies questioned him: “Teacher, we know that you speak and teach what is right, and that you do not show partiality but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25801T))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">22 </sup>Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
<sup class="versenum">23 </sup>He saw through their duplicity and said to them, <sup class="versenum">24 </sup>“Show me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it?”
“Caesar’s,” they replied.

<sup class="versenum">25 </sup>He said to them, “Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25805U))'></sup> and to God what is God’s.”

<sup class="versenum">26 </sup>They were unable to trap him in what he had said there in public. And astonished by his answer, they became silent."

So, it is irrelevant to me what is on money.

If the state decides that "Gaye" can be married as men and women do then the state decides that.

However, the consequences do not change.

1 Corinthians 6:9-20, "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? <sup class="crossreference" value='(I (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28477I))'></sup> Do not be deceived: <sup class="crossreference" value='(J (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28477J))'></sup> Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers <sup class="crossreference" value='(K (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28477K))'></sup> nor men who have sex with men<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-28477a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28477a)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(L (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28477L))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">10 </sup>nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28478M))'></sup> will inherit the kingdom of God. <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>And that is what some of you were. <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28479N))'></sup> But you were washed, <sup class="crossreference" value='(O (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28479O))'></sup> you were sanctified, <sup class="crossreference" value='(P (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28479P))'></sup> you were justified <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28479Q))'></sup> in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Sexual Immorality

<sup class="versenum">12 </sup>“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. <sup class="crossreference" value='(R (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28480R))'></sup>“I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. <sup class="versenum">13 </sup>You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28481S))'></sup>The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28481T))'></sup> and the Lord for the body. <sup class="versenum">14 </sup>By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28482U))'></sup> and he will raise us also. <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28482V))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28483W))'></sup> Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! <sup class="versenum">16 </sup>Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”<sup class="footnote" value='[b (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-28484b)]'>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28484b)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28484X))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.<sup class="footnote" value='[c (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-28485c)]'>[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28485c)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28485Y))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Flee from sexual immorality. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28486Z))'></sup> All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28486AA))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>Do you not know that your bodies are temples <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28487AB))'></sup> of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28487AC))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>you were bought at a price. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28488AD))'></sup> Therefore honor God with your bodies."

snowbird
07-13-2012, 08:41
Uh... resisting the changing of the age-old definition of marriage (one man and one woman) does not constitute "Using your religion to take away the freedom of others".





You're welcome.

The Wizard
07-13-2012, 08:56
I think one more should be added to the list: You are not free to use your politics to take away the freedoms of others!

Actually, there should be two added. Before the above add this: You are free to have your politics!

High-Gear
07-13-2012, 08:56
Uh... resisting the changing of the age-old definition of marriage (one man and one woman) does not constitute "Using your religion to take away the freedom of others".





You're welcome.

When your only argument gomes from scripture...it does!

Roering
07-13-2012, 11:32
I am not seeing a problem with your OP.:supergrin: It sounds reasonable according to:

1. The law of the land.
2. The true principals of Christianity.

Me like. I'm saving this pic. Of course, I'm going to replace that xd with a glock.

snowbird
07-13-2012, 14:54
Who exactly is trying to take away freedom?

Christians, who ended the slave trade and gave us the declaration of independence and constitution?

Or Islamo-commu-fascists, who are doing their utmost to ban our Second Amendment, ban "under God" and "in God we trust" while accepting sharia in the name of "tolerance" and "multiculturalism", and ban freedom of speech if it's conservative Christian by labeling it "hate speech"(telling the truth about homosexuality), or "blasphemy" (telling the truth about Islam)?

High-Gear
07-13-2012, 15:07
Who exactly is trying to take away freedom?

Christians, who ended the slave trade and gave us the declaration of independence and constitution?

Or Islamo-commu-fascists, who are doing their utmost to ban our Second Amendment, ban "under God" and "in God we trust" while accepting sharia in the name of "tolerance" and "multiculturalism", and ban freedom of speech if it's conservative Christian by labeling it "hate speech"(telling the truth about homosexuality), or "blasphemy" (telling the truth about Islam)?

Bird,

You are Crrrraaaaaazzzzzyyyyyy!

snowbird
07-13-2012, 15:27
Bird,

You are Crrrraaaaaazzzzzyyyyyy!

Cute ad hom, but zero facts or logic.

Gunhaver
07-13-2012, 20:47
Cute ad hom, but zero facts or logic.

Fact: I see it too. The crazy that is.

High-Gear
07-13-2012, 21:47
Who exactly is trying to take away freedom?

Christians, who ended the slave trade and gave us the declaration of independence and constitution?

Who did they fight to end the slave trade? Other Christians who used the bible to support slavery!

Or Islamo-commu-fascists, who are doing their utmost to ban "under God" and "in God we trust"
That would be the secular constitutionalists.:wavey: because it has no business being there!
***I removed second amendment***
while accepting sharia in the name of "tolerance"
No one is doing this. Please show me where Sharia has been accepted in place of the Constitution.

and "multiculturalism", and ban freedom of speech if it's conservative Christian by labeling it "hate speech"(telling the truth about homosexuality)
Your "truth" about homosexuality is hate speech!

or "blasphemy" (telling the truth about Islam)?
Also hate speech!


When are you going to realize you are just the american / christian version of the taliban?

steveksux
07-13-2012, 21:48
Fact: I see it too. The crazy that is.Me too. I think he's projecting on the zero facts or logic part though. :rofl:

Randy

muscogee
07-13-2012, 23:29
Me too. I think he's projecting on the zero facts or logic part though. :rofl:

Randy
Another vote here for crazy. Bat**** crazy.

Bren
07-16-2012, 09:50
Uh... resisting the changing of the age-old definition of marriage (one man and one woman) does not constitute "Using your religion to take away the freedom of others".





You're welcome.

You are correct, the problem is that marriage is a religious institution that was improperly codified as law by the government. Once that step into government recognized religion is taken, everything else is a conflict. The correct answer is that marriage should be a religious matter for each church to control and tgovernment should have no part in it - no paying for a "license" to do it, no tax breaks, no government granted divorces, etc.

Government involvement in marriage not only took away freedom from individuals, it took away freedom from churches. An easy example is that Mormons, Muslims and others are forced to conform to the majority religion's views on multiple marriage and such.

Take government out of the business and anybody can get married, subject to their own beliefs and those of whatever religious marriage authority they recognize.

Bren
07-16-2012, 09:53
Your "truth" about homosexuality is hate speech!


I hate it when even the allegedly "rational" side of the debate lapses into Newspeak.:upeyes:

snowbird
07-17-2012, 08:45
Please show me where Sharia has been accepted in place of the Constitution.




Well, insane as it is, it seems that a dhimmi US military judge at Gitmo is postponing the hearing for 5 Muslims charged in the Sept 11 attacks to avoid a conflict with the 'holy month' of Ramadan.:upeyes:

I submit that that is sharia, not US constitutional. Question: Did the Nuremberg Trials take Hitler's birthday off too, out of respect for Nazi ideology?

Don't leftist dhimmis always bray that the 9/11 perps weren't true Muslims because Islam is such a religion of peace? In that case, why are these 'unreal Muslims' getting Ramadan off?

High-Gear
07-17-2012, 08:48
I hate it when even the allegedly "rational" side of the debate lapses into Newspeak.:upeyes:
Trying to put into terms he will understand.

High-Gear
07-17-2012, 08:49
Well, insane as it is, it seems that a dhimmi US military judge at Gitmo is postponing the hearing for 5 Muslims charged in the Sept 11 attacks to avoid a conflict with the 'holy month' of Ramadan.:upeyes:

I submit that that is sharia, not US constitutional. Question: Did the Nuremberg Trials take Hitler's birthday off too, out of respect for Nazi ideology?

Don't leftist dhimmis always bray that the 9/11 perps weren't true Muslims because Islam is such a religion of peace? In that case, why are these 'unreal Muslims' getting Ramadan off?
Wow, that is a reach there. Is that the best ya got?

Brucev
07-17-2012, 09:02
Freedom explained... You see it your way. I'll see it my way. If you don't like it, well, you'll just have to stick it wherever you find it convenient.

snowbird
07-17-2012, 09:23
Wow, that is a reach there. Is that the best ya got?

Nice dodge.

Now would you care to answer the questions?

High-Gear
07-17-2012, 09:37
Nice dodge.

Now would you care to answer the questions?

They claim to be real muslims. Why does the court take Saturday and Sunday off? Oh, not it is a christian conspiracy!

muscogee
07-17-2012, 10:14
Don't leftist dhimmis always bray that the 9/11 perps weren't true Muslims because Islam is such a religion of peace? Never heard that. Any evidence from a reliable non-biased source?

In that case, why are these 'unreal Muslims' getting Ramadan off?

Same reason you get Sunday off. If we were all good Catholics, we would get Good Friday off as well and maybe all of Lent.

snowbird
07-18-2012, 09:08
... it is a christian conspiracy!

Is 19,235 a Christian conspiracy too?

That's the number of deadly Muslim attacks just since 9/11, as of today.

Dhimmi collectivists never blame the foul ideology of Islam for its violence. They may allow that Islam has some "extremists", but they never even say that they're wrong. No, in dhimmi eyes, the fault for violence lies with anyone who resists submission to Islam, who criticizes Islam. Thus we get cretins such as "Queers For Palestine" in the West. They are a gay bunch of leftist morons who think Hamas is good for human rights.

But you know what? Today, we are at a unique place in history when 3 prophecies have been fulfilled:

1...Israel is back in the land

2...the gospel is going out to the whole world

3...the nations are aligning against Israel


Christians today need to be sure to call out,

"Repent for the kingdom of God is nigh!"

Geko45
07-18-2012, 09:13
snowbird is off his meds again.

High-Gear
07-18-2012, 09:17
snowbird is off his meds again.

He was on meds to begin with?

snowbird
07-18-2012, 09:30
snowbird is off his meds again.

Irrelevant.

An ad homing dhimmi distraction because the reality of ever increasing deadly Muslim attacks is just too frightening for you to cope with. It's much easier and safer to shoot the messenger.

Geko45
07-18-2012, 10:39
Irrelevant.

So you are off your meds!?!?

:shocked:

:animlol:

An ad homing dhimmi distraction because the reality of ever increasing deadly Muslim attacks is just too frightening for you to cope with. It's much easier and safer to shoot the messenger.

What do you know of my ability to cope with this? Have I even mentioned the topic here? Your predisposition to think no one understands what you somehow do is a classic sign of schizophrenia. Yeah, I get it. Radical muslims want us dead. So what? Kind of been that way for awhile now.

muscogee
07-18-2012, 12:39
Irrelevant.

An ad homing dhimmi distraction because the reality of ever increasing deadly Muslim attacks is just too frightening for you to cope with. It's much easier and safer to shoot the messenger.

There are messengers and then there are Chicken Little's. Is it possible that the sky isn't falling?

The Wizard
07-18-2012, 15:11
There are messengers and then there are Chicken Little's. Is it possible that the sky isn't falling?

Is it possible that the sky IS falling?

muscogee
07-18-2012, 16:48
Is it possible that the sky IS falling?

No!!!

snowbird
07-19-2012, 09:08
Yeah, I get it. Radical muslims want us dead. So what?

Some of us prefer to die of natural causes. And we prefer freedom rather than sharia in the meantime.

Don't you?

snowbird
07-20-2012, 07:57
Hmmm... nothing but crickets chirping... mind you, that's a nice sound:), far more relaxing than shrieking libs. Or exploding shahids (today's total of deadly Muslim attacks has climbed to 19,250).

High-Gear
07-20-2012, 09:27
Hmmm... nothing but crickets chirping... mind you, that's a nice sound:), far more relaxing than shrieking libs. Or exploding shahids (today's total of deadly Muslim attacks has climbed to 19,250).

But unfortunately a raving lunatic broke the silence.

Geko45
07-20-2012, 09:29
Some of us prefer to die of natural causes. And we prefer freedom rather than sharia in the meantime.

Don't you?

Of course, but you act like we aren't doing anything to prepare against that possibility. I'm sure there are many radicals out there that want this to happen, but there is no real chance of them achieving those goals. They are cooks that can cause a lot of problems, but they aren't mainstream enough to win. Not here, not now.

snowbird
07-20-2012, 16:22
...there is no real chance of them achieving those goals... Not here, not now.

...so let's just let them keep on immigrating here in droves, practicing their stealth jihad, and building mega-mosques all over the place?:upeyes: With their vastly higher birthrate, they will indeed "have a chance" of achieving their goals sooner than you think, especially given our Muslim president, our open borders, and our dhimmi press (and many others in our leftist, unpatriotic, Christophobic establishment) that covers for them and attacks the good guys at every turn.

High-Gear
07-20-2012, 16:30
...so let's just let them keep on immigrating here in droves, practicing their stealth jihad, and building mega-mosques all over the place?:upeyes: With their vastly higher birthrate, they will indeed "have a chance" of achieving their goals sooner than you think, especially given our Muslim president, our open borders, and our dhimmi press (and many others in our leftist, unpatriotic, Christophobic establishment) that covers for them and attacks the good guys at every turn.

Wait, is our president muslim, atheist, or crazy Jeremiah Wright Christian? It seems he is whatever monster under the bed right wingers need him to be.

Whats wrong with mega-mosques? Are they competing too much with mega churches?


Actually snowbird, you and I agree. If I had my way they would not build another mosque here, but then again I wouldnt allow another church to be built either, at least a tax free one. But since this is the US, neither one of us has the right to prevent them from exercising their right to do so, and to try is as unpatriotic as one can be. So this time you seem to be the unpatriotic one!

hogfish
07-20-2012, 16:45
Some of us prefer freedom/liberty over anything.

Others prefer freedom over sharia.

:brickwall:

snowbird
07-21-2012, 10:09
Actually snowbird, you and I agree. If I had my way they would not build another mosque here, but then again I wouldnt allow another church to be built either, at least a tax free one. But since this is the US, neither one of us has the right to prevent them from exercising their right to do so, and to try is as unpatriotic as one can be. So this time you seem to be the unpatriotic one!

Well, that is nice that we agree on something:). I don't know about taxing churches...money, like power, tends to corrupt, so maybe Christianity would be better off just meeting in private homes or out-of-the-way quiet places, like the original Christians did. That would go against the tradition that was already long-established at the time of the Founding Fathers, though. Like I said, I don't know.

But I think it is quite patriotic to shut down mosques since Islam is more of a fascist form of government than it is a religion. It is an armed and dangerous enemy to our free civilization.