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cal45
07-07-2012, 16:22
While I usually carry my G30SF, I went looking for a smaller 45ACP carry for when size matters. I initally looked at the XDS but spent a little more for the Kahr PM45 as I liked how this felt in my hand over the XDS. Took a few comparison shots with my G30SF:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2799/g30pm45.jpg
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http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3588/g30pm45ontop.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/451/g30pm45holsters.jpg

ca survivor
07-07-2012, 16:29
nice, please post a range report when you can, I'm looking for a small .45 too. thanks

Happypuppy
07-07-2012, 16:36
I like the XDS but I won't pay a premium for the new kid on the block. Interested in a range report too


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CDR_Glock
07-07-2012, 20:23
I have a Glock 36 if I want to carry 45 ACP. I also have a Detonics Combat Master V 1911 but it's still not ready for Prime Time(I just acquired it).

gtmtnbiker98
07-08-2012, 09:49
Hope it runs better than mine did. I owned one for a whopping 3-weeks. Of that 3-weeks, Kahr had it for two. Mine was a POS.

cal45
07-08-2012, 09:58
Hope it runs better than mine did. I owned one for a whopping 3-weeks. Of that 3-weeks, Kahr had it for two. Mine was a POS.

Thanks - I did read that these had some growing pains when they were first introduced but more recent review have shown them to be running better now.

awpk03s
07-08-2012, 10:13
Nice gun, and good luck. I definitely see the appeal in these, and I owned one as well that was nothing but trouble for me.

elde
07-08-2012, 12:38
Yup, I found the PM45 to be quite problematic (circa 2011) as well. I also found Kahr's G.A.S. attitude toward customer service to be frustrating after a couple of trips back to them with this gun.

Meanwhile my 36 keeps chugging along.

Perhaps my past experience is not indicative of your future results.

ifish42na
07-08-2012, 12:56
I still like 10 rounds in the 30.

cowboywannabe
07-08-2012, 13:01
ive owned a K9 and an MK9, seems all that i read regarding Kahr problems is with their polymer guns regardless (irregardless for the under 70 i.q. folks) of caliber.......why?

cal45
07-08-2012, 14:21
ive owned a K9 and an MK9, seems all that i read regarding Kahr problems is with their polymer guns regardless (irregardless for the under 70 i.q. folks) of caliber.......why?

Agree, if you do read of somone having issues, it is with a polymer Kahr - but that is not to say that they ALL have issues as I've never had an issue with a PM9 and a PM40 that i have owned. Most folks don't post that their gun is running fine as we expect them to. Only time will tell how this PM45 will function. I will post up comments as soon as I can get some range time.

L Pete
07-08-2012, 14:28
My Kahr is good, but what do you have against the G-36. My G-36 is wonderful.

cal45
07-08-2012, 14:33
My Kahr is good, but what do you have against the G-36. My G-36 is wonderful.

I like the G36 but it is the same length and height as the G30 only thinner. I wanted something a tad smaller in all measurements.

nathanours
07-08-2012, 14:53
Another way to make the gun seem thinner would be to just get some sort of kydex holster for it. Most of the nylon stuff is quite a bit thicker, but I can't tell from your pics how thick the holsters are.

cgaler
07-08-2012, 18:08
If you want accuracy and reliability try a STI Escort in .45 cal. Not one problem of any kind with mine. Absolutely love it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JEEPX
07-08-2012, 20:39
I hope you have a reliable weapon with your PM45. Mine was not.

On the other hand, I currently own 4 other Kahrs
A CW45, CW9, CM9, and a K9. They have been nothing but 100% reliable.

mj9mm
07-09-2012, 08:09
i tried the CW45, i liked the feel but it wouldn't chamber hornady or tulammo(or any premium SD ammo, i tried several at my dealer). i liked that it had 7 round mags, but.
i switched to the G36 and other than round count it is superior in every way. the kahr also had issues with the slide lock spring, in the 45 it is suseptable to loosening. i have a CM9 that works super, never had any of the issues of the CW45 and i have complete faith in as a conceal carry piece.:cool: my opinion is go with the G36, unless you want to wait and see how the Sprinfield XDS45 turns out.

mist
07-09-2012, 17:23
I'm sure there are a lot of PM45's out there that function correctly and I hope cal45 has one of them. Unfortunately, mine did not. Neither did my P380, PM40 and P45. On the other hand, my PM9 has been flawless since day one in November 2002.

I've tried the Sig P250SC in .45, and just this morning I rid myself of an XDS. Nice pistols, but not for me.

If I'm going to carry a .45 I'll stick with my Kimber Ultra CDP II and / or the 36.

Good luck with the Kahr.

evilspringer
07-09-2012, 17:47
My son had a PM 45 which was problematic also. Ended up trading it in for a 36. He wanted to trade me for my G30 and when I shot or tried to shoot it I told him he should have just bought the 36. No he asks Dad before he buys guns.

Hope yours turns out better.

F_G
07-09-2012, 20:56
I really liked the PM45 I had, it felt great in my hand, unfortunately it didn't function reliably and I just never felt confident carrying it, this weapon seems to be a real hit and miss proposition, you either get one that works or you don't. After 2 trips back to Kahr it went bye-bye. I think the XDS might be my next attempt at a small .45, just need to let the new wear off, so I don't feel violated purchasing one.

cal45
07-10-2012, 05:01
I really liked the PM45 I had, it felt great in my hand, unfortunately it didn't function reliably and I just never felt confident carrying it, this weapon seems to be a real hit and miss proposition, you either get one that works or you don't. After 2 trips back to Kahr it went bye-bye. I think the XDS might be my next attempt at a small .45, just need to let the new wear off, so I don't feel violated purchasing one.

Agree - it seens to be a hit or miss wirh the PM45 as you can see from the folks that posted their experiences on this thread. Over on Kahrtalk, there are a lot of folks that have PM45's that function just fine. Hoping to get some range time this weekend to see how mine shoots. In regards to the XDS, so far so good on the folks that have them and have posted reviews - it appears that these 45's work fine.

eracer
07-10-2012, 05:08
My PM45 works well, unless I limp-wrist it.

I've got 200 rounds through it, and it doesn't jam for me. I do have concerns about weak hand use. I don't think I could hold it firmly enough with one hand - especially my weak hand - to ensure reliable functioning.

It's a tough call for me. I love having a .45 in my pocket, and a spare mag on my belt, but a S&W 642 might be a better choice, one I may make in the near future. I know it won't be as concealable in the pocket as the PM45 (which absolutely disappears in my daily wear) but I think it will work.

I plan to put at least 500 more rounds through my Kahr before I make that choice.

ghostrider88
07-10-2012, 14:20
Hope it runs better than mine did. I owned one for a whopping 3-weeks. Of that 3-weeks, Kahr had it for two. Mine was a POS.

thats what ive heard a LOT

Bilbo Bagins
07-10-2012, 14:35
I love to hear the range report.

I'm holding out hope the Kahr will introduce a CM45.

At $400 I'll would take the plunge. I had a XDs in my hand the other day and I was not too impressed.

Pimp gun
07-10-2012, 15:52
Glock 30 Sf rocks and I'm keeping it

itstime
07-10-2012, 15:59
I've heard so many horror stories on the PM45's. More here I guess. Hope it goes well for you.

ArtCrafter
07-10-2012, 16:11
I bought two Kahr PM45s from independent dealers in different cities in the hope of getting one that worked.

To say it didn't work out would be an understatement, and limp-wristing had nothing to do with it. For starters, we're talking repeated light strikes with various brands of ammunition. Frankly, that was enough to put me off the design, but the gun didn't feed reliably, either, not even with ball ammo.

I hope the OP has better luck, but I remain a skeptic. In the end, you confront sheer physics, and there is only so much you can do with springs. I think a .45 Auto probably needs more weight (mass) than the PM45 has, at least in the slide.

oldsoldier
07-10-2012, 16:32
I also had two PM45s. Both were NIB. The first one would not feed an entire magazine without two or three stove pipes. I sent it back and they sent me a replacement gun that was worse than the first one. I got my money back. This was back when the gun first came out so hopefully they have fixed the problems.

reade
07-11-2012, 20:36
If you want accuracy and reliability try a STI Escort in .45 cal. Not one problem of any kind with mine. Absolutely love it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have one too and so far 0 problems. I bought a Garrett Industries Silent Thunder IWB for it, it makes a nice rig. Only draw back I can see is the 6 round magazine.

Caver 60
07-12-2012, 08:49
Thanks for starting this thread. Hope yours works out fine for you. Be interested in followup reports.

I was just thinking about starting a thread on the PM45. I'm sort of like others. I've had my eye on this pistol for quite a while now, but I'm waiting for the bugs to be worked out.

I really like Kahrs when they run well. I have three. I don't mind tinkering with them a little, but so far, it seems a significant number of the PM45's require more than 'tinkering.'

My PM9 only required one slight adjustment of the slide stop spring, which I easily accomplished during the first 50 rounds. It has ran 100% now for over a thousand rounds (except when I foolishly tried a couple boxes of TulAmmo in it.) But that was clearly the ammo's fault, not the pistol. (Memo to self.) Never buy TulAmmo again. TUL didn't work well in a different caliber either.

My PM40 required tinkering with a few things, (including a 'rampectomy' to stop it from breaking magazine followers. But it now runs 100%.

It did sort of irritate me that Kahr tried to tell me the PM40 followers were breaking because they had received a defective bunch of followers. They did send me a fist full of new followers for my 10 magazines, but the barrel was still smacking the 'you know what' out of them. So I did the old P3AT rampectomy and that permanently cured the problem.
My PM40 is now 100%. I kind of hope Kahr might have fixed that problem now. I bought mine several years ago.

IllinoisGun
07-12-2012, 09:25
Big boys carry Glock 30's IWB and never complain about it because they know they are carrying 11 fat rounds of ******* .45 acp. Unless one has arthrytis or aging hip displasia, why would anyone bloody whine about that?

eracer
07-12-2012, 09:34
Big boys carry Glock 30's IWB and never complain about it because they know they are carrying 11 fat rounds of ******* .45 acp. Unless one has arthrytis or aging hip displasia, why would anyone bloody whine about that?Thanks, doctor...:rofl:

Shark1007
07-12-2012, 21:08
Kahr's are funny ducks. I've had them that were perfect and currently have one PM45 on it's way back for a second trip. The head gunsmith is really decent and is going to replace barrel and fit to slide for me. When they get right, they are superb, but the above posters are correct, many issues along the way. He did a throat and trigger job and it feeds perfectly, just a few light strikes after his mods, maybe head space.

Perfect size, performance, to be seen. It's not a Glock, but I do like the trigger better and they shoot at least as well in my experience.

cowboy1964
07-12-2012, 23:08
Don't anyone write off the XDs without shooting it first. It shoots like a dream.

OMEGA5
07-13-2012, 04:22
Yup, I found the PM45 to be quite problematic (circa 2011) as well. I also found Kahr's G.A.S. attitude toward customer service to be frustrating after a couple of trips back to them with this gun.

Meanwhile my 36 keeps chugging along.

Perhaps my past experience is not indicative of your future results.

Same here. Finally took mine back where I bought it. I'll
keep my G36 thank you.
Dano :harley:

ZO6Vettever
07-13-2012, 09:33
I'll stick with my G30. The 5+1 ain't enough to make me comfy. G30 10+1 most times, going to a bad area 13+1 and 13+1 bedside. It prints some when I carry OWB but I don't give a damn. Nobody gives it a second look and it's no more to carry than a full size 9mm. Truthfully I think my wife's G26 is the perfect CCW with the +2 Glock extensions they carry 13 rounds of quality 9mm ammo and are so small and light you hardly know it's there. I know I will someday buy one and sell the .45.

RYT 2BER
07-13-2012, 19:26
Hope it runs better than mine did. I owned one for a whopping 3-weeks. Of that 3-weeks, Kahr had it for two. Mine was a POS.

Nice gun, and good luck. I definitely see the appeal in these, and I owned one as well that was nothing but trouble for me.

Yup, I found the PM45 to be quite problematic (circa 2011) as well. I also found Kahr's G.A.S. attitude toward customer service to be frustrating after a couple of trips back to them with this gun.

Meanwhile my 36 keeps chugging along.

Perhaps my past experience is not indicative of your future results.

I hope you have a reliable weapon with your PM45. Mine was not.

On the other hand, I currently own 4 other Kahrs
A CW45, CW9, CM9, and a K9. They have been nothing but 100% reliable.

i tried the CW45, i liked the feel but it wouldn't chamber hornady or tulammo(or any premium SD ammo, i tried several at my dealer). i liked that it had 7 round mags, but.
i switched to the G36 and other than round count it is superior in every way. the kahr also had issues with the slide lock spring, in the 45 it is suseptable to loosening. i have a CM9 that works super, never had any of the issues of the CW45 and i have complete faith in as a conceal carry piece.:cool: my opinion is go with the G36, unless you want to wait and see how the Sprinfield XDS45 turns out.

I'm sure there are a lot of PM45's out there that function correctly and I hope cal45 has one of them. Unfortunately, mine did not. Neither did my P380, PM40 and P45. On the other hand, my PM9 has been flawless since day one in November 2002.

I've tried the Sig P250SC in .45, and just this morning I rid myself of an XDS. Nice pistols, but not for me.

If I'm going to carry a .45 I'll stick with my Kimber Ultra CDP II and / or the 36.

Good luck with the Kahr.

My son had a PM 45 which was problematic also. Ended up trading it in for a 36. He wanted to trade me for my G30 and when I shot or tried to shoot it I told him he should have just bought the 36. No he asks Dad before he buys guns.

Hope yours turns out better.

I really liked the PM45 I had, it felt great in my hand, unfortunately it didn't function reliably and I just never felt confident carrying it, this weapon seems to be a real hit and miss proposition, you either get one that works or you don't. After 2 trips back to Kahr it went bye-bye. I think the XDS might be my next attempt at a small .45, just need to let the new wear off, so I don't feel violated purchasing one.

thats what ive heard a LOT


My pm45 sucked huge... Look at these posts... The gun is just an abomination :shocked:

RYT 2BER
07-13-2012, 19:28
Missed these too... The hits just keep rolling




I bought two Kahr PM45s from independent dealers in different cities in the hope of getting one that worked.

To say it didn't work out would be an understatement, and limp-wristing had nothing to do with it. For starters, we're talking repeated light strikes with various brands of ammunition. Frankly, that was enough to put me off the design, but the gun didn't feed reliably, either, not even with ball ammo.

I hope the OP has better luck, but I remain a skeptic. In the end, you confront sheer physics, and there is only so much you can do with springs. I think a .45 Auto probably needs more weight (mass) than the PM45 has, at least in the slide.

I also had two PM45s. Both were NIB. The first one would not feed an entire magazine without two or three stove pipes. I sent it back and they sent me a replacement gun that was worse than the first one. I got my money back. This was back when the gun first came out so hopefully they have fixed the problems.

WarEagle32
07-13-2012, 23:48
The Glock 30SF is just to big for my hands and that Kahr doesn't have enough capacity for me. I may look into some small 1911 45's!

Rick305
07-14-2012, 13:20
My CM9 is one of the best pistols I have ever fired. I just got it -- put down 200rds with no issues.

Kahrs are great platforms , I used to "think" they were overpriced crapola but most of the time people don't understand they REQUIRE a break in period. They come from the factory tight as hell and are designed to be broken in.

I wish I had $$ for a PM .45 . I am looking at a CW40 in the near future !

ColdDayInHell
07-14-2012, 13:30
To clarify some of the posts: The G30SF and the Kahr PM45 are totally different platforms. The Glock is bigger and has a higher capacity while the Kahr is a pocket gun and weighs much less. The XDs is even smaller than the G30SF. I got the G36 last week and love it. Congrats on the buy.

bac1023
07-14-2012, 13:47
Congrats! :cool:

Hope it works well for you

ashecht
07-15-2012, 08:35
I still like 10 rounds in the 30.

This. There is something comforting about having 11 rounds of .45 immediately available.

Jack23
07-15-2012, 10:42
My G-36 is all I need. Very easy to conceal on my hip or under my arm. Rugged, accurate and dependable. I can't imagine how anything could possibly suit me better.

cal45
07-15-2012, 12:44
I was finally able to get some range time today with my new PM45. I must say that due to fellow members posts here regarding their expeiences with the PM45, I was pretty apprehensive about how this gun would function. I was pleasently surprised as I shot two boxes of Winchester 230g white box (100 rds total) and all functioned perfectly. No FTF, FTE, stovepipes, light strikes, or brass hitting me in the head. Now I should state that when I purchase a new Kahr, I immediately take some Flitz and polish the whole outside of the barrel and lug, including the feed ramp. I have done this with a PM9, PM40 and did the same with this PM45. Not sure if this is the reason as to why I have not had any issues with the polymer Kahrs or if I luck out and happen to get the good ones. Now granted, 100 rds is not a tourture or endurance test by no means, but this PM45 ran just fine.

Edited to add that I agree with all that like the G30, as I do as my primary carry but the PM45 is for when I need a smaller footprint to carry and want to stay with a .45ACP round.

Caver 60
07-16-2012, 23:04
cal45 Thanks for the report. Keep them coming as you get more rounds downrange. Yes I've got a 10 plus one 45, for when I want to carry something bigger, that weighs considerably more. But I'm also a mouse gun junkie and the Kahr looks good to me.

I waited a few years for my PM9 until I felt they had finally gotten the bugs worked out of it. And I wasn't disappointed, except for one minor tiny problem, easily fixed in the first 50 rounds. It's been 100% for well over 1,000 rounds, where I quit counting.

I'm still looking at the PM45 for a possible future purchase, after I make up my mind on the Boberg this fall or winter when my name should come up on their list. Saving back the money now.

Lior
07-16-2012, 23:45
http://www.armiusate.it/user_images/2854513.jpg

awpk03s
07-17-2012, 04:40
Congrats - I'm glad it turned out to be a good shooter!

cal45
07-17-2012, 05:07
cal45 Thanks for the report. Keep them coming as you get more rounds downrange. Yes I've got a 10 plus one 45, for when I want to carry something bigger, that weighs considerably more. But I'm also a mouse gun junkie and the Kahr looks good to me.

I waited a few years for my PM9 until I felt they had finally gotten the bugs worked out of it. And I wasn't disappointed, except for one minor tiny problem, easily fixed in the first 50 rounds. It's been 100% for well over 1,000 rounds, where I quit counting.

I'm still looking at the PM45 for a possible future purchase, after I make up my mind on the Boberg this fall or winter when my name should come up on their list. Saving back the money now.

Thanks, Caver 60.
Agree - when 1st introduced, the PM9's had a lot of reliability issues which caused Kahr to make some minor updates to the model over the years. Hopefully, the same will be true of the PM45 but for the price of these guns, we shouldn't have to be beta testers for Kahr ;)

oldguynewglock
07-17-2012, 16:16
I'll stick with my G30. The 5+1 ain't enough to make me comfy. G30 10+1 most times, going to a bad area 13+1 and 13+1 bedside. It prints some when I carry OWB but I don't give a damn. Nobody gives it a second look and it's no more to carry than a full size 9mm. Truthfully I think my wife's G26 is the perfect CCW with the +2 Glock extensions they carry 13 rounds of quality 9mm ammo and are so small and light you hardly know it's there. I know I will someday buy one and sell the .45.

You are spot on with the G26. I love my 26 Gen 4 for carry. When I want more rounds however I go to my G19 Gen 4.:cool:

WarEagle32
07-17-2012, 17:35
You are spot on with the G26. I love my 26 Gen 4 for carry. When I want more rounds however I go to my G19 Gen 4.:cool:

Me too!

ashecht
07-18-2012, 10:02
I carry my G30SF in a Theiss holster every day. Not sure if I would want anything smaller since I would be giving up capacity to do it. My G30 is very comfy. If I want a 6-8 capacity .45, I will get a 1911, which is next up for me. I wont carry it though, thats G30 territory

CBennett
07-18-2012, 15:23
Another way to make the gun seem thinner would be to just get some sort of kydex holster for it. Most of the nylon stuff is quite a bit thicker, but I can't tell from your pics how thick the holsters are.

IF they make it for your gun(and you have to check) one of the BEST Kydex holsters out there IMO is the RMLowrider..pretty sure they make it for all the Glocks. I had one for my Glock 23 and I could do shorts and T shirt no problems in the summer. VERY comfortable also..as good(comfort wise) and my Crossbreed and smaller,and easier on off in case you need that.

http://rmholsters.com/store/